Does Banks really manipulates us?

[Ansu5801]

what is mateix?ok i know what it is, mostly i have seen the videos of how people make a video, with secrecy music tune and they will make such anxious looking moves in the video like they are saving themselves from someone and they will say, we are the ones who manages all the un-necassary things to control your life such as

1. House Schemes
2. Sports cars
3. Fashion Industry
4. Plasma TVs

ok, if they made these things which they didn't because every mentioned item has its own history. let's just say, they were created as mentioned in their respected histories and then controled by investors.

because every new technology needs investors.

so to understand how banks can manage those things?

first we need to understand how investors can control them? i think maybe because they have share in the company and the one with more share, and more money is the one with more governance and control so they can convince companies and project makers to deploy such schemes such as TVs, Sports cars races, fashion contest and housing schemes.

Ok now investors need a system to flow there money via *banks* Which means banks is the main component of all centralization, capitilism and flow of money.

Then why people like Andrew Tate are kept saying to leave the matrix and come to reality. are we really in some kind of matrix. what is the important of this matrix. like we should consider the pros and cons of each over if matrix do exists

The main question is if there is. a. matrix then why it is present? what's the real need of it. how it benefits those big investors that controls banks. Ok lets say it keep the people busy just like the "roman games" (from insta video) why people are to kept busy and why not.

i find no error in doing work because that's how we will revolutionize in technology. and can acheive more success and easiness in our world.

wait wait. Easiness like IOT has provided us as an tech ology. and collecting our data so that they can make such decisions to sell more things to us. But why? maybe to earn money. but if they have already money to invest in first hand then why not saving it for future why doing such immoral works?

so are u saying these works are immoral?

overall my question is why banks are being accused as matrix and the investors are the ones behind all this?

[CarnagexD]

what is mateix?ok i know what it is, mostly i have seen the videos of how people make a video, with secrecy music tune and they will make such anxious looking moves in the video like they are saving themselves from someone and they will say, we are the ones who manages all the un-necassary things to control your life such as

1. House Schemes
2. Sports cars
3. Fashion Industry
4. Plasma TVs

ok, if they made these things which they didn't because every mentioned item has its own history. let's just say, they were created as mentioned in their respected histories and then controled by investors.

because every new technology needs investors.

so to understand how banks can manage those things?

first we need to understand how investors can control them? i think maybe because they have share in the company and the one with more share, and more money is the one with more governance and control so they can convince companies and project makers to deploy such schemes such as TVs, Sports cars races, fashion contest and housing schemes.

Ok now investors need a system to flow there money via *banks* Which means banks is the main component of all centralization, capitilism and flow of money.

Then why people like Andrew Tate are kept saying to leave the matrix and come to reality. are we really in some kind of matrix. what is the important of this matrix. like we should consider the pros and cons of each over if matrix do exists

The main question is if there is. a. matrix then why it is present? what's the real need of it. how it benefits those big investors that controls banks. Ok lets say it keep the people busy just like the "roman games" (from insta video) why people are to kept busy and why not.

i find no error in doing work because that's how we will revolutionize in technology. and can acheive more success and easiness in our world.

wait wait. Easiness like IOT has provided us as an tech ology. and collecting our data so that they can make such decisions to sell more things to us. But why? maybe to earn money. but if they have already money to invest in first hand then why not saving it for future why doing such immoral works?

so are u saying these works are immoral?

overall my question is why banks are being accused as matrix and the investors are the ones behind all this?

banks are not the matrix. the whole system is, I believe. Banks are considered a part of the system because you can easily control people by the use of money (greed/ fear), and no institution can control and circulate money other than central banks.  Investors are behind all this for a simple reasons, that their large funds, means billions of dollars kept on banks. Once they put in or out, it would cause a large gap or fluctuations in price. One more thing. The money that doesn't exist but you can use. The all known generational debt. It is all controllable by the banks.

[Ansu5801]

banks are not the matrix. the whole system is, I believe. Banks are considered a part of the system because you can easily control people by the use of money (greed/ fear), and no institution can control and circulate money other than central banks.  Investors are behind all this for a simple reasons, that their large funds, means billions of dollars kept on banks. Once they put in or out, it would cause a large gap or fluctuations in price. One more thing. The money that doesn't exist but you can use. The all known generational debt. It is all controllable by the banks.

It's mean, everything i said is true, investors and big financial icons also want to control us like in matrix. But why? And from when this all started? Because according to me we are working day to night from the origin of humanity.

Like, this is not a new thing, then why people like tate brothers, jordan peterson, joe rogan, hamza ahmad, iman Gadazhi and david Goggins are make the existence of matrix prominent and convincing us\peoples to work harder and think outside of the box.

Maybe because, we are stuck in a cycle of work. Like 5 to 5 job, less holidays, no fun, pressure to achieve targets. But what i think is, we are taking them wrong because if we do what we love we will feel no pressure and we will grow. Then people in the growing zone, do they also care about matrix. Because if it really exists then that's not good for overall, countries manipulated by matrix.

[stompix]

we are the ones who manages all the un-necassary things to control your life such as
1. House Schemes
2. Sports cars
3. Fashion Industry
4. Plasma TVs

One thing, just to show how out of touch this is, plasma TVs have been dead for a decade, and nobody is making them anymore.
Second, when someone classifies stuff as "unnecessary" it makes them sound like some commie who will decide all by himself how much people are allowed to consume and how often. 10 liters of gas a month, waiting in line a year for a fridge, only 500 grams of meat per person per week, and only one kilo of oranges on Christmas day. Anything more than that is evil capitalism that will make your soul burn in hell comrade!

So how about we stop with the matrix and that wanna-be pimp of yours and simply let people spend as they see fit and if they want to buy a tinfoil hat be it, if they don't and they want to buy the nicest car they can afford because you only live once then let them! All this hate against spending is just commie propaganda from the ones that can't afford it, stick with arranging your own life before deciding how others should live, and remember where we are, bitcointalk!
My keys, my decision what I do with my coins!

Investors are behind all this for a simple reasons, that their large funds, means billions of dollars kept on banks. Once they put in or out, it would cause a large gap or fluctuations in price.

Price of what?

[Broly46]

It is crazy when you realized you have been fooled all the while, make you fuming inside with fire, I'm seriously shocked by the magnitude of manipulation the elite has been pulling. However it is also important to note, without manipulation, we would be living the wild animal life. Where street shitting, outlaw are common, just like the cowboy age.

[Ansu5801]

stick with arranging your own life before deciding how others should live, and remember where we are, bitcointalk!
My keys, my decision what I do with my coins!

Noted sir, you are totally right about it's a propaganda from the ones who can not afford it. What we need for living is we definitely go for it regardless of any concept of matrix. And in the last is that a slogan of this forum or what, i really like it though.

you know what I mean? ...
it's up to you to decide if you wanna be part of the system or not.

Yes, having high followings and if you are an influential person then i think you also controlled by matrix because i have seen, many influential people of their respected fields lets say of motivation, gym, and finances most of them talk about unnecessary things so that you guyz could stuck at the beginning. Overall, i do not think it should be wise to talk about such things openly and saying that it's up to us to join them or not because in simple words we have been left no choice other than depending on them.

It is crazy when you realized you have been

Nah, that's not how it would went if these influential are there manipulating us. It's like a greed of power that each person (influential one ones to hold for longer period of time and i do not know how this thing could be real. We are manipulated from the early state take an example, of my place. We have been using only windows operating system from the origin like i didn't even know there is more OS there other than Windows why? Because windows has made its efforts to make the availability of its OS free in our region so we only go for it, its been 15 years of me that i am so dependent on these OS and cannot use any other one. Why? Is it also a manipulation maybe they just want to grow their business and we are taking it wrong like they did it on purpose to restrict us to only one OS so we could not grow in different sectors of life by learning development in that OS.

Maybe i think it's just a way of perception.

[davis196]

Capitalism wants consumers. More consumers, who keep consuming more and more. Consumers, who get in debt in order to buy stuff they don't need. More consumption means more profits for the banks and corporations. More loans and more debt for the consumers means more profits for the lenders. This is the matrix we live in. Is it necessarily bad? Maybe. It has pros and cons. The pedestalization of making money and greed is one of the flaws of capitalism, if you ask me. The economy cannot keep growing forever. There are limitations to the economic growth.

[Darker45]

Yes, they do. We only have to realize that the banks are lending to their users their users' own money. And that comes with interest. The banks are also investing their users' money and grow rich from it.

The depositors are also charged for entrusting their own money to the banks, which the banks, in turn, risk to make profit. The banks are also imposing fees if the depositors are withdrawing their very own money. Sometimes, they even refuse to give the money to their owners. And when the money kept by the depositors are running out, they even charge another fee for it, and even freeze the accounts if there is no activity.

I was offered for a loan by my bank. The reason is simply that I have a good amount of deposit in it. I told the manager I don't need money. She told me, you can have it as additional savings. Months and years passed and my account is almost drained out. There's no more offer of a loan.

[Latviand]

Capitalism wants consumers. More consumers, who keep consuming more and more. Consumers, who get in debt in order to buy stuff they don't need. More consumption means more profits for the banks and corporations. More loans and more debt for the consumers means more profits for the lenders. This is the matrix we live in. Is it necessarily bad? Maybe. It has pros and cons. The pedestalization of making money and greed is one of the flaws of capitalism, if you ask me. The economy cannot keep growing forever. There are limitations to the economic growth.

The real problem isn't the system, it can easily be fixed but the people behind the curtains that pulls the strings don't want to fix the system and so we are stuck in this dystopian reality of work, eat, sleep cycle while they are making all the decisions for us and how we should live our life. I can agree that economy growth isn't perpetual but if we reach peak sustainability, growth might become perpetual. Don't aim at the institution, aim for the ones that benefits from it the most when it's destroyed and rebuilt.

[hyudien]

Yes, they do. We only have to realize that the banks are lending to their users their users' own money. And that comes with interest. The banks are also investing their users' money and grow rich from it.

This is true and it happens in all countries that the banking system never has its own money. They only run customer money lending it to other customers. Bubbles occur and it's not surprising when there are cases where customers make large-scale withdrawals while the bank is simultaneously collapsing. For example, in Lebanon, the collapse of a bank became a problem that needed attention, when customers demanded to take their investments, a crisis occurred. Banks cannot meet demand on a large scale and if it is done simultaneously in all banks then they are destroyed. For this reason, with awareness of investing in assets that are in our control, Bitcoin is the solution. No one will take your assets other than yourself. Bitcoin has been warning for years how dangerous fiat money can be.

[Hispo]

Capitalism wants consumers. More consumers, who keep consuming more and more. Consumers, who get in debt in order to buy stuff they don't need. More consumption means more profits for the banks and corporations. More loans and more debt for the consumers means more profits for the lenders. This is the matrix we live in. Is it necessarily bad? Maybe. It has pros and cons. The pedestalization of making money and greed is one of the flaws of capitalism, if you ask me. The economy cannot keep growing forever. There are limitations to the economic growth.

The real problem isn't the system, it can easily be fixed but the people behind the curtains that pulls the strings don't want to fix the system and so we are stuck in this dystopian reality of work, eat, sleep cycle while they are making all the decisions for us and how we should live our life. I can agree that economy growth isn't perpetual but if we reach peak sustainability, growth might become perpetual. Don't aim at the institution, aim for the ones that benefits from it the most when it's destroyed and rebuilt.

In my personal point of view, one of the biggest challenges of the system we have nowadays in the most of the economies is the fact growth is related to the consume and the ability the population has to continue to consume.

That is why the technology goes so fast and the products become more and more sophisticated each couple of years that pass, the businesses wants us to change our phones, computers, vehicles, etc; for replacements which they promise to be better (and they are) but still both the old model and the new one accomplish the same objectives very well. If the people do not spend, there is no incentive for them to innovate and without innovation, people do not feel attracted to spend. Now they want to introduce the automation and the cut on human personnel to the equation to maximize the profits, sacrificing part of the ability people can to spend.

[iv4n]

banks are not the matrix. the whole system is, I believe. Banks are considered a part of the system because ...

The whole system is the matrix, and banks have an essential role in all of that. Simply because:

“Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.”
— Henry Kissinger

And banks control the money and how money flows. As long as they are able to do what they do now we can't expect this world to change.

When it comes to manipulation, the ones with money can manipulate the odds in their favor, one way or another. And I am sure that we all know that there is too much manipulation on the global stage, and banks help with that, more or less.

[tabas]

overall my question is why banks are being accused as matrix and the investors are the ones behind all this?

Banks are just part of it and they're all tools for the money to flow in the entire economy. And when we generalize investors, they're not just playing the role of being an investor but they've got some other businesses that they're attaching through the investments that they have or through having the direct connection with the banks. And there's the reality that we can't and even it gets twisted, the fact will remain that there will be people that are on the top of the chain which are the elites or rich people, the average and poor people and all of us are consumers and basically the ones that gives more to the society with our contribution as being part of the whole chain of this society.

[darkangel11]

It is crazy when you realized you have been fooled all the while, make you fuming inside with fire, I'm seriously shocked by the magnitude of manipulation the elite has been pulling. However it is also important to note, without manipulation, we would be living the wild animal life. Where street shitting, outlaw are common, just like the cowboy age.

They have no limits. They're pushing the boundaries to see how far they can go before someone notices. It's all a part of our human nature, like that guy who found a loophole in the ATM system and kept withdrawing. He had a lot of money already, but kept going to the ATM every day to get more and more. Even when you're getting something for free and with ease, you're going to want more and more of it, you're going to keep taking. That's what the banks are doing. They used to offer fair rates, like 3% on your deposit when the inflation was 5%. Now when you have 8% inflation, they're offering you 4%. They're pushing you to see where your limit is. Governments are doing the same thing by taxing you on everything you do to see when you push back. There's a tax on owning a property, using electricity, water, sewage, everything is taxed on top of the prices per unit. This means that if a power company demands you to pay $100 for whatever you've used that month you can expect that your real bill is $90 and $10 is tax. The government wants a piece of every single deal that you make. It taxes the food you eat, shit you make, water you use to wash your butt...

[pixie85]

Capitalism wants consumers. More consumers, who keep consuming more and more. Consumers, who get in debt in order to buy stuff they don't need. More consumption means more profits for the banks and corporations. More loans and more debt for the consumers means more profits for the lenders. This is the matrix we live in. Is it necessarily bad? Maybe. It has pros and cons. The pedestalization of making money and greed is one of the flaws of capitalism, if you ask me. The economy cannot keep growing forever. There are limitations to the economic growth.

Do you think we've reached the limit of our economic growth then? I don't think so. Loans are fine as long as you don't lend what you don't have.

Capitalism does not mean fractional reserve banking and quantitative easing. These terms were coined in capitalism, but not before it. We can have economic freedom and industrialization without money printing, high inflation and insider trading. They want us to play their game and stay poor and the only way is to opt out of the game, refuse to play. Choose bitcoin!

[goaldigger]

Banks are businesses who aims to get more profit by using the funds of their account owner, they have controls over you money and I think its not manipulation because in the first place you gave your money to them and when it comes to taking loans, it will always depend on you if you will ask for it or not at all. Well, banks are banks and you cannot expect them to be more ok with you if they think they will get nothing from you and this is the reality that we should accept. It is good now that crypto gives financial access to those who can’t have a bank account because of insufficient documents, crypto is a life saver technology that everybody can enjoy.

[Ziskinberg]

Banks manipulate our minds in a way of encouraging us to save our money with them and make use of it to earn profit through loans.
We can really think that they are helping us to keep our money safe while giving us a few percentage returns but the real thing that happens is that they become progressive and grow because of our money.

Perhaps, they are in business and runs by rich people which have a brilliant idea believing that these workers will follow the system. Make deposits, take loans for luxury, for business, and yes, they really manipulate our minds.

[panganib999]

In a way they do. But not in matrix-wy ways as you think it is. Although it kind of borders along that ballpark too. Anyway. The banks' in charge of creating more wealth for the people in rhe upper echelon. That is why they have people take out loans, and then lower the interest rates to further entice them into taking that loan for whatever purpose they would use the money for. And then from there, the magic begins. Money is made, and people are already paying the rich.

They also could control inflation by withholding the creation of new wealth. For one. They can jack interest rates as high or as low as they please.

[coupable]

So how about we stop with the matrix and that wanna-be pimp of yours and simply let people spend as they see fit and if they want to buy a tinfoil hat be it, if they don't and they want to buy the nicest car they can afford because you only live once then let them! All this hate against spending is just commie propaganda from the ones that can't afford it, stick with arranging your own life before deciding how others should live, and remember where we are, bitcointalk!
My keys, my decision what I do with my coins!

Good point and I support all the ideas in your comment as a whole. We cannot blame the banks because they support spending, as they are not responsible for the consumer decisions of individuals. The rise in consumption rates is mainly linked to the improvement in the income levels of individuals and the extent to which they are affected by calls for more consumption.
However, I would like to point out that it is permissible to discuss the consumer system as a social and economic phenomenon at least, which allows it to be criticized from different angles. Capitalism created societies with a consumer culture using propaganda and with the support of banks to facilitate spending. If this is a system of deception, then the banks certainly contribute to it.

Investors are behind all this for a simple reasons, that their large funds, means billions of dollars kept on banks. Once they put in or out, it would cause a large gap or fluctuations in price.

Price of what?

Lol 

[SatoPrincess]

The world is governed by a system to ensure order and prevent chaos, the people at the top make all the decisions and the rest of us have to deal with it. There is nothing you can do to change the banking system, Satoshi came up with a brilliant solution and that’s Bitcoin. I think the Matrix as you put it represents control, a construct designed to keep people in check. I believe if you want to escape the matrix and have total freedom to make your own choices, you will have to minimize or completely cutoff your dependence on the government institutions.