Projects Visibility (Sig Campaigns) in Bitcointalk.

[dkbit98]

Interesting stats for signature campaigns and I hope you will manage to update this on regular basis ^{(easier said than done)}, but I am not sure if Stake members are all maxing out their posts.
I don't think that number of participants is always increasing visibility of specific signature campaigns, it all depends where and how members write their posts.
@rby maybe you can include CoinSlotty campaign in you list, we started with small but mighty group of people, and soon this should be expanded to more members.

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[rby]

@OP I don't quite understand about the "remark" because you're mixing many thing either to promote the manager, the project's promotion, the special condition of the campaign, the project niche, etc.

Thanks for the observation...some of the campaigns don't really have needs for remarks, but to not leave them vacant, I pick some peculiar thing in the campaign and fix there. If need be, I may consider them vacant.

I kind of agree with Eternad. I guess visibility shouldn't immediately be equated with the number of posts per week or the number of participants. There are other factors for a post, and therefore the signature, to be more visible than another.

I missed to react to this earlier. Even though Rikafip has admitted that there's no better way of calculating this visibility than what we have here. I want to say that the posts in Mega threads are still made in this forum and also it is users who visit those mega threads and make those posts. That means those posts are not written in the vacuum. Besides when you make a google search with the right key words, it will still take you to the exact page of the mega thread if it is where that particular key word is found.
In as much as such post in made in this forum it counts and visible to different people who might be of different interest.

@rby superb job, and I don't know how this could be done better. I will just list some of the shortcomings of current format and maybe you or somebody else can find a way to mitigate some of them.

Yes, many shortcomings would be amended on the next update and with type we would arrive at near accuracy.

1. For instance just looking at LiveCasino campaign I am managing, if I was writing the info in the table only campaign name and participants number would stay as they are now. All other info is not 100% correct even though I feel it is clearly shown in our spreadsheet and rules. If there are mistakes in such small campaign then I have to take all the other info with a bit of reserve as well.

When one info is wrong, it will surely affect others. In your campaign you give bonuses to best posters which varies in amount and the number of best posters per week. So, to arrive at my data, I used the highest bonus giveable to multiply maximum number of participants that can receive bonus a week.

Sure, dkbit98 also mentioned Coinsloty. Seems these campaigns are private and I wouldn't bother the project owners for statistics, unless whoever develops interest just as dkbit98 did.

[Husires]

It's a great effort, I appreciate it. There is a misinformation that Yo!Mix is not based on the concept of green zone, but rather on a $30 bonus.

Adding some graphic visual representations instead of tables will make the comparison between these advertising campaigns better.

[cryptofrka]

A nice overview (especially regarding the budgets and participant numbers), with some obvious shortcomings of course.
1 post of a highly rated member in an important thread is worth a 100 shitposts and that can't be seen here.

I'd be way more interested to see how these budgets are used - but that's impossible to measure.

While we're commenting campaigns, let me quickly touch on this one as well.

BestChange, for example, implements a rule that only 2-3 posts made on threads beyond 5 pages are to be counted. This is because mega threads are usually full of spam and posts beyond the 5^th page are more easily missed than those made in the first 2 pages. Also, posts that are already buried deep in mega threads are normally less interesting because they are most probably just repetition of earlier posts, and posters probably didn't even read everything before joining the discussion.

Personally, I feel that this is a horrible rule and creates a ton of spam as well. I have over 6000 posts and I don't think more than 5% of them is written in threads that have less than 5 pages.
These threads are usually the 'most worthless' on my list when evaluating who writes where and what.

Forcing someone to open a 'how was your day in crypto today' spamthread because a post in Premier league thread is considered as spam is, well, not the best move you can make as a campaign manager.

[libert19]

BestChange, for example, implements a rule that only 2-3 posts made on threads beyond 5 pages are to be counted. This is because mega threads are usually full of spam and posts beyond the 5^th page are more easily missed than those made in the first 2 pages. Also, posts that are already buried deep in mega threads are normally less interesting because they are most probably just repetition of earlier posts, and posters probably didn't even read everything before joining the discussion.

Personally, I feel that this is a horrible rule and creates a ton of spam as well. I have over 6000 posts and I don't think more than 5% of them is written in threads that have less than 5 pages.
These threads are usually the 'most worthless' on my list when evaluating who writes where and what.

Forcing someone to open a 'how was your day in crypto today' spamthread because a post in Premier league thread is considered as spam is, well, not the best move you can make as a campaign manager.

Similar view as well, discussions that happen on mega threads such as premier league is usually about the upcoming match, match that just got over or on some news, hence content is always fresh and not repetitive.

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BestChange, for example, implements a rule that only 2-3 posts made on threads beyond 5 pages are to be counted. This is because mega threads are usually full of spam and posts beyond the 5^th page are more easily missed than those made in the first 2 pages. Also, posts that are already buried deep in mega threads are normally less interesting because they are most probably just repetition of earlier posts, and posters probably didn't even read everything before joining the discussion.

Personally, I feel that this is a horrible rule and creates a ton of spam as well. I have over 6000 posts and I don't think more than 5% of them is written in threads that have less than 5 pages.
These threads are usually the 'most worthless' on my list when evaluating who writes where and what.

Forcing someone to open a 'how was your day in crypto today' spamthread because a post in Premier league thread is considered as spam is, well, not the best move you can make as a campaign manager.

I think this was misinterpreted. BestChange preferably counts posts in the first two or even three pages of such questionable "spammy" threads. Some threads have a mature discussion even after 15 pages and I didn't notice that they ^BestChange don't count constructive posts in such a discussion. It is also understandable, they are a universal service and want to be visible everywhere on the forum, not only in priority gambling, for example.

And honestly, I'm not sure how much gambling mega threads contribute to signature promotion, because none or just a few people go back to the previous page to read something. Only the Stake campaign makes sense there, where such threads are crowded with their signatures.

I have over 6000 posts and I don't think more than 5% of them is written in threads that have less than 5 pages.

Yes, it can be said that you don't write much in all parts of the forum 6217 in only 365 topics 

[robelneo]

It's a great effort, I appreciate it. There is a misinformation that Yo!Mix is not based on the concept of green zone, but rather on a $30 bonus.

Adding some graphic visual representations instead of tables will make the comparison between these advertising campaigns better.

I also appreciate it this takes time and effort, I recommend OP add the word

Reference

so it will read

Reference: Projects Visibility (Sig Campaigns) in Bitcointalk

Because this is a reference thread, you have to update it and members will come back or subscribe to get a notification in case there is a new change or check what is added to the list.

Reference thread is hard to configure you must have good knowledge of forum codes., and you always have to come back to update new entries.

[Darker45]

BestChange, for example, implements a rule that only 2-3 posts made on threads beyond 5 pages are to be counted. This is because mega threads are usually full of spam and posts beyond the 5^th page are more easily missed than those made in the first 2 pages. Also, posts that are already buried deep in mega threads are normally less interesting because they are most probably just repetition of earlier posts, and posters probably didn't even read everything before joining the discussion.

Personally, I feel that this is a horrible rule and creates a ton of spam as well. I have over 6000 posts and I don't think more than 5% of them is written in threads that have less than 5 pages.
These threads are usually the 'most worthless' on my list when evaluating who writes where and what.

Forcing someone to open a 'how was your day in crypto today' spamthread because a post in Premier league thread is considered as spam is, well, not the best move you can make as a campaign manager.

Well, the campaign didn't actually require to post only on threads with 5 pages or less. After all, who can tell whether or not the thread would grow into a mega thread? What's preferred is that posts are made within those 5 pages. The discussion would continue and create 10, 20, 50, or even 100 pages more. As a matter of fact, you can still join in those kinds of discussions provided you don't focus your posts there. And for a campaign seeking visibility, that's understandable. Posts are quickly buried.

Certain threads in gambling discussion are rather unique. And it's completely understandable also if they grow into mega threads. It's because they're not discussing a specific game or event or tournament or a similar topic. They're basically covering leagues and sports. You mentioned Premier league. There's also the NBA, La Liga, MMA, ESports, and others. They're general topics. They don't have an end.

[rby]

Because this is a reference thread, you have to update it and members will come back or subscribe to get a notification in case there is a new change or check what is added to the list.

Reference thread is hard to configure you must have good knowledge of forum codes., and you always have to come back to update new entries.

It is exactly as you have said and that is why I don't want to hasten into unnecessary edits or updates. Due to my own time, I'll consider to be updating this thread every 7days. By this I'll remove ended campaigns, include newly launched campaigns. But the first edit will include what people have pointed out, including adding the date the campaign was launched etc.

[passwordnow]

This a cool thread, the great information is being merged and collected for everyone to see how much budget is being put into all of the existing campaigns in here. And I was mindblown and late to realize that I'm in a campaign that has the most participants, kudos to our manager Hhampuz for doing all of the hard work plus the other campaigns that he's also managing and also to the other managers as well.


1xbit's manager has already said that the campaign has ended and locked the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447897.msg62144278#msg62144278
So I guess that should be removed from the list just as what we're seeing on the overview of signature campaigns when a campaign is done and has ended, it gets removed.

[Pmalek]

Perhaps a more reliable measurement of visibility is the number of visits made to their websites through signatures, or perhaps the number of users referred by signature links.

True, but that's not the kind of information a random person like the OP would have. They would have to contact the casinos and ask for the information from them, and I don't know if they would be willing to share it in public. It also needs to be done regularly as each week/month can have different results.

I don't think that many people click on random signatures anyways. Perhaps only on those from high-quality members that are instantly recognizable.

[Little Mouse]

I don't think that many people click on random signatures anyways. Perhaps only on those from high-quality members that are instantly recognizable.

True, people barely click on signatures. And if a campaign evaluate the result with the clicks from the signature tracking link, they will simply stop running campaign here because the conversion rate from the tracking link will be too low to evaluate even. I can't remember if I have ever clicked on any signature to join a casino or check out a mixer.

[Pmalek]

I can't remember if I have ever clicked on any signature to join a casino or check out a mixer.

Same here, to be honest. I much rather search for the service's ANN thread to get more information about it. And there is usually a link to the official website there. Then I compare to see if it's the same that I found on search engines.
But the signatures have its use, otherwise the projects wouldn't be advertising here. You see them, the pictures and designs get stuck into your mind and you remember the names. Later down the road, if you need a service like the ones you saw advertised on Bitcointalk, those images come back. That's one way the projects benefit from signature campaigns. 

[Little Mouse]

But the signatures have its use, otherwise the projects wouldn't be advertising here. You see them, the pictures and designs get stuck into your mind and you remember the names.

Yeah, branding should be the main focus but project wants quick result lol.

[cryptofrka]

Yeah, branding should be the main focus but project wants quick result lol.

Well, it's kinda expected, no?
Every investor is looking for some kind of feedback - and it isn't that cheap to run a sig campaign on BTT.

It takes months and tens of thousands of dollars to build a recognizable brand - and even that does not guarantee success.

Considering that there are many campaigns running for years, it eventually has to be profitable for them to do so. But I imagine a first few months are tough

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I also use Sportsbet a few times per week and have never clicked on somebody's sig link to get there.

[libert19]

Yeah, branding should be the main focus but project wants quick result lol.

I also use Sportsbet a few times per week and have never clicked on somebody's sig link to get there.

Perhaps, you came to know about sportsbet itself from someone's signature?

I also used to consider signatures useless but then one day it dawned to me that some companies that were etched on my mind like duelbits, stake, chipmixer were solely due to me seeing their signatures often here.

[Edwardard]

Yeah, branding should be the main focus but project wants quick result lol.

It is in human nature to expect fast results for our efforts otherwise we get frustrated pretty quickly. Most of the owners lack patience and it is expected since their money is involved here. However, if they learn from the other successfull campaigns, they would know how profitable results they'd get by running a long term campaign.

It takes months and tens of thousands of dollars to build a recognizable brand - and even that does not guarantee success

Why not ? If the project is interesting, it'll most likely succeed. I didn't see a (legit) project yet which ran its camp. for a long time and not succeeded. Can you name any? I think most of them just couldn't make it long enough due to low cash in hand.

[Rikafip]

Why not ? If the project is interesting, it'll most likely succeed. I didn't see a (legit) project yet which ran its camp.

Hah, I wish that was true. Unfortunately, the real situation coulnd't be further away from that as vast majority of business (and when I say vast I mean ~90%) simply fail due myriad or reasons and just being "interesting" is not even remotely enough to succeed in any business. At least not in the long run.

I didn't see a (legit) project yet which ran its camp. for a long time and not succeeded.

That's because you only see those that succeeded while you don't even have the chanvce to see all those who failed.

[rby]

I don't think that number of participants is always increasing visibility of specific signature campaigns, it all depends where and how members write their posts.

By means of visibility, Does the view on the thread which the post of signature campaign participants being considered? Because there’s a chance that this high volume of participants is just posting on mega threads which doesn’t viewed most of the time of other user because the replies is already TLDR.

I kind of agree with Eternad. I guess visibility shouldn't immediately be equated with the number of posts per week or the number of participants. There are other factors for a post, and therefore the signature, to be more visible than another.

I don't think that many people click on random signatures anyways. Perhaps only on those from high-quality members that are instantly recognizable.

I want to seriously contribute on this before a make first mega update on the OP. The issue of visibility and the quality of the user wearing the signature. I have these to say;

• There is a clear difference between visibility(the ability to be seen) and engagement.  In this thread, the emphasis is on visibility.  This simply means that randomly chosen non reputable 5 Snr members who make 50 posts each per week, will give the company more visibility than LoyceV,  Royse777 and Trofo if they each make 20 posts per week
• Then there is a matter of engagement. If a newbie joins the forum and wants to sign up to a project through the signature, the newbie will likely click the signature of the randomly chosen non reputation 5 Snr members because they are more rampant. Then, someone who has been in this forum for upto 1 year will in no doubt click the signature LoyceV wears because of the quality and reputation he carries. For instance, I visited Coinsloty through LoyceV's signature.
• Another issue to determine is the case of the location of a  billboard and not the material holding the billboard. A bill board placed in a T-junction will have more visibility than a bill board placed in a lonely road. The question is which boards in the forum are the T-junctions and which ones are the lonely roads?

[FatFork]

It takes months and tens of thousands of dollars to build a recognizable brand - and even that does not guarantee success

Why not ? If the project is interesting, it'll most likely succeed. I didn't see a (legit) project yet which ran its camp. for a long time and not succeeded. Can you name any? I think most of them just couldn't make it long enough due to low cash in hand.

There are no guarantees. Projects fail not only due to low cash in hand, but also due to various other factors such as poor execution or a lack of demand for the product or service. Numerous projects have run signature campaigns for months on end but ultimately failed to make a significant impact on the community. Consequently, these projects gave up and eventually faded into obscurity.

Just a few examples that I remember from my time here:
MyCryptoMixer.com ran a campaign for 40+ weeks but ultimately failed due to unknown reasons.
Bitamp Web Wallet ran a campaign for 28 weeks during 2020/21. The project is practically dead now as far as I can see.
Go-Overt ran a campaign for 16 weeks but failed.
YOLOdice casino campaigned for over two years but ultimately closed its doors.