Are there any Bitcoiners here who are living offgrid?

[SatoPrincess]

So, is there anyone else here that is questioning the current political and banking changes, and moving to an independent offgrid lifestyle?

I think it’s almost impossible to completely live off the grid in today’s world where everyone is holding their phone cameras everywhere. To achieve total freedom from society, one would have cut off social media, the internet and for emergencies use only a burner phone or a fax machine. Even at that, you still can’t live in a place for too long  to move around a lot to avoid prying eyes. It’s a lot of work and big many people can do this, it’s easier for someone your age to cut off social media but the younger people will find this impossible to do because they were born in this era.

[paid2]

I'm coming up to 81, and I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. I've rejected most of the current and other controls that try to restrict my lifestyle. I'm now living in a converted van, and I love the freedom. I'm considering a Raspberry Pi based installation to manage my Bitcoin node, and maybe do a bit of mining. Although I'm living primarily offgrid, I'm still a member of conventional society, and utilise thosed facilities that are useful to me. I'm monitoring the current banking changes, and hoping to increase my use of Bitcoin.
So, is there anyone else here that is questioning the current political and banking changes, and moving to an independent offgrid lifestyle?

It depends on what you call an offgrid lifestyle.

Personally, with my wife, we live in full autonomy regarding to electricity, water, fruits and vegetables.
We still use 4G to access the internet, still use banks and online banking, and we also pay some taxes.

We try to reduce our dependence on the government and institutions as much as possible. It is not very difficult as here, the government is like non-existing. We live without having to buy gas, because we don't need a car, and we buy very few things.
But of course, when we have to travel to other countries, we depend on planes, trains or buses.
I don't think we live totally offgrid, but it is very close.
Like you, I would like to be able to do more with Bitcoin, which for me is currently more of a storage value.

[Cryptomultiplier]

I loved this post once I saw its topic.
It has and still is my dream to live in an own discovered and solemn space. In the forest, past the trees and swampland, to a spot which looks exactly like what I have in mind.
I would love a wooden house with an old trailer cabin furnished and well soothed to my taste. Here I can pen down clear thoughts, construct creative artefacts, paint, trade Bitcoin without being too easily distracted.
This is how I envision living off-grid. Even though I love a bit of solitude right now.  One step in the right direction though.

[lalabotax]

I'm coming up to 81, and I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. I've rejected most of the current and other controls that try to restrict my lifestyle. I'm now living in a converted van, and I love the freedom. I'm considering a Raspberry Pi based installation to manage my Bitcoin node, and maybe do a bit of mining. Although I'm living primarily offgrid, I'm still a member of conventional society, and utilise thosed facilities that are useful to me. I'm monitoring the current banking changes, and hoping to increase my use of Bitcoin.
So, is there anyone else here that is questioning the current political and banking changes, and moving to an independent offgrid lifestyle?

Wow, it sounds very interesting although I don't know actually what kind of obstacles that you have been facing so far. But living offgrid like that and being so simple and freedom are really interesting. This freedom may give you what you exactly want.
But, once more, thus will depend on how people are living im certain area, what kind of activities and living that we have.
For me personally, I cannot do it this thing. And this will be probably difficult to stay or live such free, bank and goverment are still the most powerful. Whatsmore is that BTC is still ilegal as paymenrt. Moreover many pros and cons are here about crypto. So, this may not work on me
 

[Jet Cash]

Thanks for the replies, mand the support and encouragement. I agree that I'm not living completely offgrid. Right now I am sitting in an Asda cafe (English supermarket ), and I'm using thir free WiFi. I'm paying the rent by buying a cup of coffee for £2.30, but I get a free one after I have bought 7. They are unusual in that they don't have power points for customers, most of the other supermarket cafes offer free mobile and laptop charging. I recently bought a Huawei Matebook, and that seems to have good battery life, and charges via an USB-C port. My HP netbook and notebook computers require 19 volt charging. This means I need a mains socket or an inverter in the van.

I've spent most of my life fighting, mainly various legal battles, and I decided that I would stop and enjoy my "retirement". I'm no longer fighting the system, and that includes the banks and the government. I'm now registered as "no fixed abode" with the council, so I am able to vote, and take advantage of various government programmes. I have a friend who is anti-bank, and refuses to pay anything until the last minute. He is always fighting late payment fines, and usually loses. I pay early, and take advantage of any promotions going. For example, I've made about £30 from a recent Nationwide promotion. All I had to do was to use my debit card instead of my credit card when purchasing groceries in various supermarkets. £30 is not much, but its free money for no effort, and by taking advantage of these and the many other offers around, such as loyalty cards when purchasing petrol and diesel, I would estimate that I pick up an extra £2,000 to £3,000 per year. Even more if you include the current government "cost of living" handouts that the UK is paying pensioners.
I've got a few principles that I have adopted recently.
- Don't fight the sytem, use it
- Keep you freedom, and enjoy it.
- Stay away from doctors and pharmaceuticals, and preserve your health.
- Respect nature and the environment, and avoid environmentally damaging trends like electic vehicles.

There are a load more, such as learning about hedgerow cooking.

[franky1]

independant lifestyle
- jetcash income is government social security benefits

off the grid
-jetcash still pays energy companies(diesel)
-jetcash still registered to vote
-jetcash uses debit cards that trade his purchase history for rewards

questions banks and politics
-still votes
-still uses debitcards
-still leaches off social security

i agree you are a nomad.. not a digital. just a normal nomad like a traveller, gypsy, pikey wannabe
you have yet to escape reliance on fiat handouts to survive. you are yet to be a bitcoin maximalist, independant, self sufficient

you have made the same claims years ago but not evolved your lifestyle. i bet you are still microwaving diseased fish you find floating around
if you think charging your phone at asda(walmart) is independence. you have much to learn

i too travel. but i dont limit myself to a county. i like boats, planes and trains. right now im not in england and so i dont have to pay council tax, i dont claim benefits and i am self sustainable via bitcoin

have you ever thought that with all your legal battles you fought, might be where you have been causing crap and stress to your life, beyond whats needed.

as for your friend fighting those fights it seems you and them went down that stupid "freeman" rabbit whole fantasy rhetoric that went viral years ago

have you not learned the methods to escape your county and actually travel the world in a true non domicile way of all tax laws. learned how to actually be truly financially independent instead of dependant on supermarket cafe's just to keep you fed and charged

i know people that use a basic skill like window cleaning. they go travelling and approach farmhouse shops and offer to wash all their windows in exchange for prime steak a £10 steak in exchange for 30 minutes work
they go to independent petrol stations and make the same offers for fuel or confectionery, living the cash in hand life

if after so many years of utilising bitcoin you have yet to sever your ties to needing social security handouts, and steal leaching electric from cafe's. you have yet to reach the potential life you pretend to aim for.

dont get me wrong i fully enjoy the same freedoms of travel and lifestyle as you. but with you scrapping by, dependant on still so much, you are still prisoner to your own surroundings

being stuck living in a prison the space of a van is not true freedom. its just a different prison. yes it has wheels. but so does prison transport vans.
this morning i woke up in a kingsize bed. looked out on the balcony as the sun rose and then went for a dip in a pool
i dont need to worry about making the bed or doing the laundry. maids get paid well for my habits

i didnt have supermarket coffee. nor microwaved fish..
for me it was a british breakfast in a non british country cooked fresh, i had beans on toast, sausage bacon, a glass of orange juice and a hot chocolate(the real kind) and never needed to use my debit card this week. (thank you bitcoin)

heck with luggage fee's these days. and laundry costs. its cheaper to just buy new clothes in each destination. thus less baggage to clutter my life and ends up cheaper too

one day you should try to escape the sights and smells of england and broaden your views, dont be stuck in the system

[Mr. Magkaisa]

    -   What do you mean you live in a converted van? Do you mean a van that you modified to be like your home with a bed, food, solar and others, so no matter where you go you won't have a problem sleeping, it's like a camping van, right?

Don't you have someone to do that with, mate? It seems like what you're doing is fun, you're enjoying your freedom and at the same time you still value bitcoins? Then you ask I can say that I rarely see an offgrid lifestyle bitcoin enthusiast like you,

[YUriy1991]

Yes, there are certainly Bitcoiners who are living offgrid and embracing a more self-sufficient lifestyle. For many, Bitcoin represents a way to escape the constraints of traditional financial systems and take greater control of their own lives. By using Bitcoin, they can conduct transactions without relying on banks or other intermediaries and they can store their wealth in a way that is resistant to government control and inflation.

I think I like this to, Living offgrid can also be a way to reduce reliance on centralized systems and infrastructure, and to pursue a more sustainable and environmentally conscious way of life. While it may not be for everyone, for those who value independence and autonomy, Bitcoin and offgrid living can be a powerful combination.

[kryptqnick]

I like the follow-up that Jet Cash wrote, at least partially. Fighting the system can be difficult, and people should decide for themselves whether it's worth it. I must say that from the initial post, I've imagined a different approach.
It's important to realize that we need to choose our battles and let go of some things. Banks aren't my battle, and neither is the centralized Internet, corporations and stuff, so I agree about using the system. The only point I disagree with is staying away from doctors, at least not in cases of emergencies or illnesses that can be treated well with modern medicine. I appreciate the freedom that Bitcoin brings, but I also don't want to make my life overly difficult by refusing to use bank accounts or something like that.

[ethereumhunter]

I've got a few principles that I have adopted recently.
- Don't fight the sytem, use it
- Keep you freedom, and enjoy it.
- Stay away from doctors and pharmaceuticals, and preserve your health.
- Respect nature and the environment, and avoid environmentally damaging trends like electic vehicles.

I don't question the current political and banking changes because it is useless. We can never win against people who have already put it all together.

And I am impressed by the principle you adopted. And it's true. We can only use it as best as possible for our benefit. As long as we can enjoy our freedom, we must enjoy it and not complain about other freedoms because we must follow the rules.

I agree to care for our health because health is the most important. When we are healthy, we can use the resources we have as much as possible and maybe it can provide something better for us. But when we are sick, we cannot do anything and miss all the best opportunities we have ever seen. The most important thing is to balance our life and not think about something that hasn't happened yet because it will trigger negative thoughts.

[yazher]

Living Offgrid and at the same time is making the banks have a hard time by only using bitcoins in most of his transactions is such a hero and hoping to see more people like that in the future to counter these banks' hostility against bitcoins and cryptocurrencies. they are not publicizing their hatred against bitcoins but I'm pretty sure that they are the ones who are funding these groups that are creating negative articles about bitcoins especially the mainstream media that always have confuse descriptions of bitcoins in their headlines. If we were to use bitcoins in most of our transactions, it will be a slapped in their face.

[Jating]

I'm coming up to 81, and I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. I've rejected most of the current and other controls that try to restrict my lifestyle. I'm now living in a converted van, and I love the freedom. I'm considering a Raspberry Pi based installation to manage my Bitcoin node, and maybe do a bit of mining. Although I'm living primarily offgrid, I'm still a member of conventional society, and utilise thosed facilities that are useful to me. I'm monitoring the current banking changes, and hoping to increase my use of Bitcoin.
So, is there anyone else here that is questioning the current political and banking changes, and moving to an independent offgrid lifestyle?

No offense mate, but I'm imagining you somewhat of a character in Red, a movie which stars Bruce Willis. I'm seeing you as the John Malcovich character there, Marvin, who's living on the van and trying to live off-grid because he is afraid that the FBI or whatever agencies are trying to track him and their group.  .

The only bitcoiner that I know from this forum who's trying to go off grid is Elwar, ‘seasteading’ in Thailand but faces lot of challenges.

[Jet Cash]

Maybe "offgrid" is not the most apposite word. I'm a true Gemini, so I don't want to be divorced from society. Also, I enjoy many of the advantages of modern living. I just want to free myself from the anti-social restrictions and health hazards that are being forced on the current governments. For example, there is no way that I am going to allow free spike proteins to be injected into my body, and I reject the mad just towards the incredibly environmentally damaging electric vehicles. I'm becoming very cautious about food production and reatiling, and I'm starting to ferment vegetables myself. I'm also increasing my hedgerow cooking, and frying the off road kill pheasant.
I started a thread about running a full node which being a van dweller, and that looks quite promising. So far I haven't found any other Bitcoiners amonst the van dwelling community. In fact most of them seem to be quite rude and mocking about Bitcoin and crypto. Maybe I should try to organise a national get together.

Van dwelling is not for everybody, but before knocking it, you need to step back and review tha advantages. Some years ago I owned 3 houses that I lived in, one was on the outskirts of London, one was by the sea, and one was a former farm. This created quite a lot of stress and expense, and I had the constant worry of breakins and theft. I came to realise that you don't own property, property owns you. So I decided to enjoy life for a change. When I was in Oxford, I met an old tramp, and he had an interesting malapropism - keep treading the windmill! This seems to sum up the lives of most people.

[Etranger]

Thanks for the replies, mand the support and encouragement. I agree that I'm not living completely offgrid. Right now I am sitting in an Asda cafe (English supermarket ), and I'm using thir free WiFi. I'm paying the rent by buying a cup of coffee for £2.30, but I get a free one after I have bought 7. They are unusual in that they don't have power points for customers, most of the other supermarket cafes offer free mobile and laptop charging. I recently bought a Huawei Matebook, and that seems to have good battery life, and charges via an USB-C port. My HP netbook and notebook computers require 19 volt charging. This means I need a mains socket or an inverter in the van.

I've spent most of my life fighting, mainly various legal battles, and I decided that I would stop and enjoy my "retirement". I'm no longer fighting the system, and that includes the banks and the government. I'm now registered as "no fixed abode" with the council, so I am able to vote, and take advantage of various government programmes. I have a friend who is anti-bank, and refuses to pay anything until the last minute. He is always fighting late payment fines, and usually loses. I pay early, and take advantage of any promotions going. For example, I've made about £30 from a recent Nationwide promotion. All I had to do was to use my debit card instead of my credit card when purchasing groceries in various supermarkets. £30 is not much, but its free money for no effort, and by taking advantage of these and the many other offers around, such as loyalty cards when purchasing petrol and diesel, I would estimate that I pick up an extra £2,000 to £3,000 per year. Even more if you include the current government "cost of living" handouts that the UK is paying pensioners.
I've got a few principles that I have adopted recently.
- Don't fight the sytem, use it
- Keep you freedom, and enjoy it.
- Stay away from doctors and pharmaceuticals, and preserve your health.
- Respect nature and the environment, and avoid environmentally damaging trends like electic vehicles.

There are a load more, such as learning about hedgerow cooking.

I totally agree with keeping and enjoying the freedom, however I don't see why preserving your health implies staying away from doctors and pharmaceuticals. The health care system is really different from country to country and in my case, for example, it is mostly useful and helpful. Besides, regardless of the conditions, health care system can be used like any other system, which corresponds to your first rule.

[Road21Bitcoin]

So, is there anyone else here that is questioning the current political and banking changes, and moving to an independent offgrid lifestyle?

Moving to an independent off-grid lifestyle would be very difficult, especially if you adhere to the general meaning of being "off-grid"- not dependent on any public utilities such as water, sewage, gas, and electrical power grid. You are relying on yourself to provide for yourself, mining Bitcoin would be the last thing on your mind. In your current experience, you are a digital nomad, not someone off-grid.

Even if I question the current political and banking changes, moving to an off-grid lifestyle seems like a nuclear option lol People have become reliant on the conveniences of modern life and people will fight for it to progress, or if not, protect their status quo. But in reading your experience, being a digital nomad also has its perks.

[tread93]

I'm coming up to 81, and I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. I've rejected most of the current and other controls that try to restrict my lifestyle. I'm now living in a converted van, and I love the freedom. I'm considering a Raspberry Pi based installation to manage my Bitcoin node, and maybe do a bit of mining. Although I'm living primarily offgrid, I'm still a member of conventional society, and utilise thosed facilities that are useful to me. I'm monitoring the current banking changes, and hoping to increase my use of Bitcoin.
So, is there anyone else here that is questioning the current political and banking changes, and moving to an independent offgrid lifestyle?

Wow man that must be a fun lifestyle, I was recently talking to a guy who does what you do, but also has a sailboat and he goes between the doc to the van and moves around wherever he wants to go. I met him at the boat show in West Palm Beach about a month ago or less. What are your main struggles with that lifestyle, just curious. What would you say is your favorite part about it? What do you enjoy doing the most?

Also, do you utilize solar to power your bitcoin node? Way to be off grid, I don't think a lot of people can say that. Did you also say that you're 81 years of age?!

[Aikidoka]

This lifestyle must be fun, to be honest. Living in a van and being a Bitcoin maximalist, like a true Bitcoiner is obviously insane. I'm pretty sure you're generating electricity from renewable energies, most likely solar energy, which is really good. But one more point - did you say that you're 81? Hat off to you! I've never seen someone at that age interested in crypto, as far as I know. The majority of people who are older than 60 don't know much about crypto, so it's surprising that you're into it at your age!"

I think you might be one of the oldest Bitcoiners in this forum. You would probably be among the top 100 in terms of age.

Keep it up, and good luck in your life!

[ololajulo]

I'm now living in a converted van, and I love the freedom. I'm considering a Raspberry Pi based installation to manage my Bitcoin node, and maybe do a bit of mining. Although I'm living primarily offgrid, I'm still a member of conventional society, and utilise thosed facilities that are useful to me. I'm monitoring the current banking changes, and hoping to increase my use of Bitcoin.

As an individual residing in a van, what power source do you depend on for mining?

[darkangel11]

It's my dream to live in a passive house that doesn't rely on any utilities. At the moment I live in a hybrid system that has its own well, a backup generator, a fireplace with heat distribution, so it can heat up both the living room and bedrooms upstairs, but the main heating system is based on natural gas. It's just convenient at the moment to use it and I can't heat up water any other way.
I wish I had a new house that can rely on solar panel water heating, but getting my old house to work this way would cost me too much, as the slope of my roof is oriented to the West and it won't generate enough heat to make installing panels worth my time and money.

[panganib999]

True offgrid style? You won't be able to mine Bitcoin, how will you power your asic miner? Since you are living in a van you must be traveling around a lot or moving from one place to another so you won't be able to mine Bitcoin and I am not sure it's safe running in a van, you can mount a solar panel on your van roof, someone I knew in the U.S did this but that's for GPU mining algorithm coins like Ethereum. Asic miners generates more heat than Graphic cards and they also consume a lot more power than graphic cards.

You are better off running Bitcoin nodes with Raspberry Pi like you said, they are better for someone like you, you only need your own mini power station to use electricity in your van, watch TV and run your Nodes.

Bro c'mon we can't be ruling how someone lives his life based on technicalities. Come on man.

In my book as long as you're from the outskirts of civilization and are not living the conventional lifestyle, maybe even living in your van/vehicle in a secluded part of the country you're already off-grid. Doesn't have to be no cellphone, no internet, none of that bullcrap. As for electricity for mining bitcoins I'm pretty sure he's got that taken into account otherwise I don't see the logic behind him thinking about mining bitcoins in the first place. Just doesn't sit right with me. Although yes, out of all of that I'm pretty dubious about him using a raspberry pi to mine bitcoins. I don't think that's going to be profitable.