Why gambling and mixing called bad actors in bitcoin

[rodskee]

From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.

from where did you get this views mate? are your friends acting and telling you? or this is just your own belief from your small understanding?

first , being a bad actor meaning that Gambling and Mixer should or must be shut down by the government long time ago but why they are still existing?
though there are some who had been shut down yet they are just few of many.

Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

I should call them more on Bad actor if that is what you wanted to impose here comparing to gambling and mixers .

I am a gambler and also a mixer users and I am not being bias here instead this is what I have seen from my experiences .

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[GreatArkansas]

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Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

Basically, they are linked to practices that may be against the law(not all), unethical, or detrimental to the larger community. If you can lookup on the internet about incidents related to these "bad actors", you will see tons of them and that's why a lot of people are against it.
They are undesirable due to their links to illicit activity and potential legal and reputational risks.

[rby]

From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.

Normally, so many cultures and governments prohabit gambling as it is regarded as a societal menace which has led some youths astray and they became nuisance to the society.
Another reason is some non KYC and even KYCed gambling platform allows deposit and withdrawal even when you don't wager or bet. This means that a cyber criminal can use such gambling sites as a medium to transfer money and conceal their identities.

For mixers, even if the purpose is for privacy, but me and you know too well that people have abused mixers in several times by using it to conceal crime rather than for privacy issues.

Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

Most centralized exchanges if not all do KYC and they work with government as they are willing anytime to give out your data and also confiscate your coins.

[Nrcewker]

From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.
Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

Listen mate, everything is all about perspective. For some people these actions are considered as wrong, whereas for some this isn’t bad at all. I mean there are nothing wrong with Gambling and Mixing, but people have different opinions and choice, and they have their moral values and hence they treat this as bad activities. Now both gambling and mixing of coins are legal, but if it is done with wrong intention then only it will be frowned upon by other people.

[MoonOfLife]

From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.
Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

It's just how you feel because you've read so much negative news spread by governments. I have been in the market for over 6 years, and I have no problem with gambling and mixers. Gambling existed before bitcoin was created, and why don't you think about this? As for the mixer, just because it doesn't benefit the government or benefit you, doesn't mean it's bad or bad.

[firesurfer]

Bitcoin mixer enhances privacy and resists attacks.
It is up to the laws of each country to determine if gambling is illegal.
Bitcoin in the case of gambling is also just a means to satisfy the desire to gamble and make money. Bitcoin in this case is not considered bad as the dollar or any FIAT is being used for gambling all over the world.

[taufik123]

Bitcoin mixer enhances privacy and resists attacks.
It is up to the laws of each country to determine if gambling is illegal.
Bitcoin in the case of gambling is also just a means to satisfy the desire to gamble and make money. Bitcoin in this case is not considered bad as the dollar or any FIAT is being used for gambling all over the world.

Bitcoin is only used as a tool for gambling and is not directly involved with the gambling industry.
Bitcoin is still Bitcoin, not regulated by anyone. it's just a payment option that is easier and more private.
Gambling sites that support Bitcoin are also increasingly appearing.

and about Bitcoin mixing, the last few months have been quite excited when Chipmixer was shut down because it was involved in money laundering crimes.
No wonder they are thirsty to be shut down, because they facilitate criminal acts.
Not all Bitcoin mixing sites do this practice, Many mixing sites still survive today.

[Hispo]

On mixing, one must wonder if every time to go to the store to buy a candy and pay with a bill, the vendor would ask you about the entire history of the bill from its printing years ago until the day you got it to pay for candy. Even though you are not a criminal but rather the most honest person in your city  

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with exchanges its the same your given a risk rating.
if all your deposits are all mixed sourced then you have a higher risk rating than someone that does not use a mixer
meet a threshold and they start to look closer at you

deposit $10. dont worry.. however deposit $1k-$10k-$100k, then expect to be on a watch list with more involved investigation reporting the higher the risk/amount is
government, regulators and authorities dont chase after criminals or suspects over $1-$10. they want the big fish

In my opinion, it is not the same for several reasons.
Firstly, since exchanges go and will continue to go with automated software to check the blockchain path of the deposits, they can adjust their filters to check on deposits as small as they consider to be necessary. Unlike cash.

I can go with a 100$ bill to buy anything and that is okey, it may be different on exchanges.

Also, if I was a drug lord and I deposited 20$ to Binance I could get flagged, if the funds came from the bulk of the illegally obtained satoshis, on the other hand in the same situation, I could take a 20$ from the mountain of dirty money in my narco bunker and buy something with it and no reasonable human being would check for the bill serial number in a data base before selling me a pizza.

heres what most people dont know

when using a mixer yes you are flagged but its not a yes/no flag. its a number/%.. they are not interested in getting a human involved to do an investigation at business(CEX) level unless said number/% reaches a threshold. but they do put you on a certain level of evolved algos to monitor different thresholds more. monitor customers more as each threshold passes
up to a point where thresholds reach a certain level where they would then try to gain more info about you

for instance it costs a bit of money to buy data from other partners/businesses they know/associate with. so they wont waste money buying all details of everyone(unless they are bulk data dealers)

so if your just depositing $10 they wont waste $1 trying to find if you have other accounts on other CEX and your flag rating on those services. however the more you do the more thresholds you reach the more intensive their scrutiny becomes

so someone that is high percentage normal coin movements small percentage mixed several taints back is a lower risk threshold than someone who puts all their funds through a mixer before then depositing into an exchange

and if the value of highly mixed deposits is high enough to breach tax thresholds and border crossing thresholds then they start to gather more information and do investigations. and if in those investigations they see some criminal tracings of funds they report it to authorities
they wont reveal all the thresholds of each level but atleast knowing that they dont investigate everyone is obvious because to watch everyone takes many many people and most businesses and authorities do not have enough personnel to watch everyone

meaning that "government" dont see or watch or receive data about everyone. just the interesting highly suspect stuff that reached a certain threshold that has met some standards regulators require

and regulators in formal legislation DO class using mixers as a red flag. meaning the more you use it the higher the intensity is of being on watch lists where actual humans start investigating. compared to someone just depositing $100 or $10 a week into an exchange from their own employment income accounts

Well, I admit it makes sense they would not waste human resources in getting any mixed deposit manually reviewed. Actually, I did think that the review process of a mixed coin being deposited in a centralized exchange was of the binary thing, as you mentioned. So I guess I learnt something new today. 

That would explain why depositing small quantities which passed through a mixer does not trigger an investigation and the men in black in the front door.

Thanks for the explanation, I guess.

[Wiwo]

Bad actors depend largely on individuals and their perceptions because we still have some religion that sees gambling as haram, such liken the Muslims but we also have some from that same religion that sees gambling differently and do not see anything wrong in gambling.

I have seen even some pastors from church preaching to members to repent from gambling that it's a seen but I always tell myself in my inner mind that the religious leaders are just making a misunderstanding statement, no doubt that gambling is linked with so many bad events one of which is addictions but then we must place priority on everything and what we don't know os more than us so to those who know how to gamble currently with accurate time and resources management,  I see nothing wrong in that but if you think you can't Control the impact of. Gambling, you will have to avoid gambling totally.

[_BlackStar]

Listen mate, everything is all about perspective. For some people these actions are considered as wrong, whereas for some this isn’t bad at all. I mean there are nothing wrong with Gambling and Mixing, but people have different opinions and choice, and they have their moral values and hence they treat this as bad activities. Now both gambling and mixing of coins are legal, but if it is done with wrong intention then only it will be frowned upon by other people.

Even banks that are well-known for their centralized systems can still be used by someone for illegal transactions. Banks can still receive someone's gambling winnings even if the user is under a jurisdiction that does not legalize gambling, even the bank does not know that there are many non-legal transactions occurring in one or two customer accounts from the sale of prohibited goods or other illegal actions.

All services can be abused, will the government close the bank too because people always can use it for illegal things? I don't think so, it's because the government doesn't hate banks.

[glendall]

Did you say online gambling using Bitcoin? As if Bitcoin is the only currency you can use to gamble online, how about USD? If Bitcoin is bad because of gambling so is Fiat, and others, many people don't like gambling because the risk is the highest, it's on the same level with HYIP if you are familiar with it, gambling is gambling and most people don't like it, this has nothing to do with Bitcoin, some gamblers prefer to use Bitcoin as the currency for gambling if no casino is accepting Bitcoin no one will use Bitcoin for gambling.

Bitcoin mixers are for covering tracks when moving your Bitcoin but the government doesn't like this, they believe that bad actors, criminals, and drug dealers will be using mixers to move illegal funds around the globe and the money will be untraceable.

Mixers became a thing after Bitcoin was launched, bitcoin isn't to be blamed for this, mixer stands alone and gambling stands alone, if you don't like them then stay away, I have never used mixers for once because I don't need them but I do gamble responsibly, many people can't control their greed, such people should not get involved with gambling.

This point is very true, gambling and BTC should not be put together because before there was BTC, gambling had also become a habit for the people
sometimes I can't believe people always associate btc with gambling and crime

[Quidat]

Did you say online gambling using Bitcoin? As if Bitcoin is the only currency you can use to gamble online, how about USD? If Bitcoin is bad because of gambling so is Fiat, and others, many people don't like gambling because the risk is the highest, it's on the same level with HYIP if you are familiar with it, gambling is gambling and most people don't like it, this has nothing to do with Bitcoin, some gamblers prefer to use Bitcoin as the currency for gambling if no casino is accepting Bitcoin no one will use Bitcoin for gambling.

Bitcoin mixers are for covering tracks when moving your Bitcoin but the government doesn't like this, they believe that bad actors, criminals, and drug dealers will be using mixers to move illegal funds around the globe and the money will be untraceable.

Mixers became a thing after Bitcoin was launched, bitcoin isn't to be blamed for this, mixer stands alone and gambling stands alone, if you don't like them then stay away, I have never used mixers for once because I don't need them but I do gamble responsibly, many people can't control their greed, such people should not get involved with gambling.

This point is very true, gambling and BTC should not be put together because before there was BTC, gambling had also become a habit for the people
sometimes I can't believe people always associate btc with gambling and crime

BTC could really be connected or would really be associated since its the main tool or currency on which people been making use on the time that they would really be engaging on these things.
Yes, it do really sucks when government and media do really make out some focus about these things which the fact that fiat is been used for how many millenia when it comes to these kind of
dealings where it is really just that a tool.This do only shows on how much they do hate up Bitcoin in the first place on where they would be always be having the reason for them to
focus on negative things and trying out as much as they can on pushing that it is really that a bad thing.

For those who doesnt have that much information or idea about on what Bitcoin is, then they would be easily be getting to believe on what these f*ckers been saying
which it is really just that sad.

[n0ne]

Same as we have got Swiss banks these mixing services help in having our holdings unknown. With the KYC requirement it is possible to have the transactions being tracked and know the end users. For this purpose there existed the mixing service for some cost. Whether you need this to be used or not is upto the person who wants complete privacy.

When it comes to gambling, bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies gives the ease of gambling and the same lets them use it much against the fiat. Some believe the purpose of bitcoin is for gambling. Such thoughts needs to change, only then the real purpose for which bitcoin is being developed will be understood.

[MainIbem]

From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.
Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

Do not mind the rubbish.

Gambling is not illegal, but you can see Muslims or some people that detest gambling because of their religion to call it illegal with passion.

Some people are not also using mixers only what they know is that mixers are used by bad actors, they do not know that banks and centralized exchanges too are used by some bad actors.

The rate at which some religion detest against gambling is something not encouraging, but may like to draw little attention about gambling.

From my own point of reasoning I don't see gambling to be bad act or because even as a man we lived a life filled with gambling and it has been existing since the origin of man why then talk against gambling or seeing mixers being used as bad actors or criminals.

[ilovealtcoins]

Bitcoin mixer enhances privacy and resists attacks.
It is up to the laws of each country to determine if gambling is illegal.
Bitcoin in the case of gambling is also just a means to satisfy the desire to gamble and make money. Bitcoin in this case is not considered bad as the dollar or any FIAT is being used for gambling all over the world.

Bitcoin is only used as a tool for gambling and is not directly involved with the gambling industry.
Bitcoin is still Bitcoin, not regulated by anyone. it's just a payment option that is easier and more private.
Gambling sites that support Bitcoin are also increasingly appearing.

and about Bitcoin mixing, the last few months have been quite excited when Chipmixer was shut down because it was involved in money laundering crimes.
No wonder they are thirsty to be shut down, because they facilitate criminal acts.
Not all Bitcoin mixing sites do this practice, Many mixing sites still survive today.

Yes, bitcoin is a currency, a payment method, casinos have the right to add it to their form of payment, no one can ban them, and it has nothing to do with gambling.

As for mixers, you are right, not all mixers cater to criminals, what is going viral out there is just because bitcoin haters are spreading false information. Bitcoin gives privacy, and mixers make us more private.

[loopes]

From my experience and observations, I noticed both Bitcoin mixing and online gambling using Bitcoin are mostly regarded as bad actors in Bitcoin despite both being the highest Bitcoin adopters and having the largest Bitcoin volume in transactions and services.
Secondly, if Gambling and Bitcoin mixing services are called bad actors, what about centralized exchanges are they also perceived as bad actors in Bitcoin?

Let me share my perception. first, Not of all bitcoin mixing is literally illegal activity,  some time people need to clear their bitcoin historical just for privacy reasons that do not contain any crime. So we can not generally blame all of bitcoin mixing activities are bad actors in bitcoin / crypto sphere. Second, bitcoin gambling may be restricted in some countries, and that is why it is called illegal activity. But as far as bitcoin gamblings do not harm to the others, better we do not call it as bad actors.
But that is my perception, every one has their own mindset regarding this case.

[franky1]

using a mixer is not illegal. but for those shouting "privacy" forget it. you are highlighted by using a mixer
finance/currency has never been private. currency/finance legislation has existed far far before bitcoin existed

bitcoin originally 2009-2013 was not treated as currency thus escaped such legislation, and was treated as private property. but those lobbying for currency recognition 'coz mainstream' caused finance/currency legislation to apply

it does not hide you. it reveals you
even if your funding was not criminal sourced meaning no fear of prison. the privacy aspect is that your flagged and your thresholds determine how much your watched by businesses sharing data. and if highly using mixing to a suspect triggering amount to require a investigation to check if its criminal funded sources or not gets deeper

mixers do not make you invisible/ignored. mixers get you seen as something to take notice of by businesses and thus if hitting triggers possible governments

your noticeability/highlighted factor by using a mixer is higher just by using a mixer compared to bitcoiners that do not use mixers

[DanWalker]

Mixers are considered bad because it makes it difficult for governments and legislatures to track bitcoin accounts, so they won't like them and find a way to destroy them. But for those who value privacy, it's a favorite tool of theirs.
As for gambling, it has never had a good reputation because it causes more crimes than benefits society, even in my country, gambling is completely banned. But some people hate bitcoin, and they have taken advantage of this to smear, and spread false information to inhibit the development of bitcoin.

I don't like to say that these two services are actors who tarnish the good name of bitcoin, but both of these services can be abused by bitcoin users. The real actors are bitcoin users who intend to carry out illegal transactions by utilizing the two services above, so the two services cannot be blamed entirely.

Governments and people who hate bitcoin are of course taking advantage of this situation to their advantage and rule. But nevertheless I think it is their right regardless if the plan works or not. I honestly don't hate the government if its goal is to prevent abuse, but underneath it all I think they are just plotting something to hurt bitcoin and its users financially.

I understand that the main actor is some bitcoin user and, more precisely human behavior. But we also must admit that these services attract more users with evil behavior than others. Gambling is for fun, but very few people understand that, and most abuse gambling and give it a bad reputation. So it wouldn't be strange for it to be seen as the bad actor who has tarnished bitcoin.

The government's duty is to stop the criminals, what they do is right, but because they also don't like bitcoin, they abuse their power to find a way to bring bitcoin down.

[Hamza2424]

Haha, who said that to you, I use to condemn Gambling weather its in Bitcoin or in any form because it destroys the soul of a person and is morally incorrect + from my religious point of view it's prohibited. Because gambling makes a person addicted to easy money and I have not seen a single gambling success story, because it's impossible gambling just destroys the motivation and spirit of a person to work hard to get money. A maximum of Gambling addicts destroy their financial future. 

Mixing is a habit if it is taken with good intentions it can also be misused, but I would recommend the users who care a lot abut their privacy must use mixers for their own protection. A few weeks ago in the trading section, there was a thread abut mixing and a maximum of the feedback on the asked question for Mxiing after buying exchanges was in the favor of the mixing because centralized exchanges hold the user's personal information. If a person doesn't use Mixer then his total activity can be tracked which is not good in my views and all this is due to the (Highest Transparency feature of the Blockchain network). Mxing is not itself wron but people use it in wrong way as money abuse haha a new term, Money Lundring.

[Wildwest]

both are called bad actors because of money laundering problems, but there are many more interesting positive things about the world of bitcoin that they have not discovered and are very much different from the gambling factor, so this depends on the assessment of each of us but there are some things that are considered negative about the use bitcoin but this is not a crime that violates the law in a country, and we all know there are many transactions that continue to occur every day in conflict and have been supported by the government so bitcoin actors are not evil which will harm individuals or many people, unless they are already misusing bitcoins.