Someone at FIFA/UEFA should do something about the referees

[swogerino]

The referees are an integral part of any game I know this but tonight happened something unique and very strange,Southampton lost my bet because of VAR as I had both teams to score,the same with Athletic Bilbao as I had it both teams to score and in both cases the referees impacted the game,somewhat more in La Liga in Spain but I had really nice tickets with many other games that were lost only because of the referees wrong decisions regarding me as I saw the game and I think you cannot disallow 2 goals when the cases were to say the least doubtful.

Should UEFA do something about the referees,these guys have everything in their hand and can make the game go any result and I will say again that famous saying from a local coach where I live as he were leading the first place and lost against last place at home,in the end of the game he said explicitly (With this referee even Brazil could not win tonight)?

[rdluffy]

I don't know yet about the match of Athletic Bilbao (I'll check later), but about the Southampton, I saw on ESPN and the VAR helped the referee
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It is very frustrating to be winning a bet for a few seconds or minutes but then lose quickly.
By the VAR we can see that he was a little offside, unfortunately, it seems a few centimeters (I believe about 10 centimeters max), it would be impossible to get this offside without VAR, but I understand your feeling, even with the VAR it's difficult to define the exact moment when the player hit the ball to consider offside.
I think that soccer should urgently review the offside rule and eliminate it, for me it no longer makes sense to have this rule

I hope you didn't lose too much money on that bet swogerino

[swogerino]

I didn't lose a lot of money because I had about 10 games on both teams to score so bet little money and the only bets that made me lose are exactly the VAR ones,Southampton and Athletic Bilbao which honestly in Spain I believe referees need to do their course on become a referee again or they need refreshers at least,I still have not forgotten the game Valencia vs Sevilla where the referee after seeing the VAR that it was 100% penalty for Valencia and seeing it several times in a clamorous way he did not give a penalty.

I should probably not play more than 2-3 games per ticket as when we are playing more we forget that there are more referees also and anything can happen.

[Strongkored]

We know that after the implementation of VAR many things have changed in football matches because in one match we can see that more than one goal has been disallowed after a VAR review, but sometimes that can benefit us as bettors but sometimes it can be more detrimental.

Did not watch the match because there were several matches taking place at the same time, so watching the Everton vs Newcastle match and changing it to Tottenham vs Man United, and the Everton vs Newcastle match also seemed to have a goal disallowed.

I don't think UEFA/FIFA will make any changes regarding the referees and also the decisions they take are assisted by technology so even an inch difference can result in a goal being disallowed, which has not happened before because the line judge will only raise the flag if the difference is big enough but with technology has all become so different, and this is not only in football in tennis it also happens and even players also protest even though the video already shows the ball coming out only a few millimeters.

[tusandii]

In fact, the referee has definite knowledge and knowledge in the course of the match he is leading, but sometimes there are several referees who side with one of the teams because of several factors and the amazing thing is that the referee does not seem to side with one of the teams.
Referees like this have been found a long time ago and there has even been a history of several referees having to lose their image and also their big name as a leading referee just because they took a phenomenal action by side with one of the competing teams.
In the course of the match, the referee's decision cannot be changed, and the referee is really the leader in a football match or other sport.
FIFA/UEFA should be able to select every referee in order to get a referee who is truly honest and doesn't want to be manipulated just because of some money.

[Slow death]

at least in la liga there are few cases in which the referees make questionable decisions that result in losses for a certain team in a game, watch the portuguese league games you will see how the referees can get to be annoying and have a bad performance, even with var technology in the Portuguese league, var is blind when they are weak teams, and in strong team games, var works very well in favor of the strong team and destroys the weak teams, I like how the referees of the premier league, serie A and Bundesliga and Ligue1 behave, they do a good job, even in La Liga there are few cases of mistakes made with the referee.

now about the technology of var, VAR comes into play when there is controversy in a bid, and there are more than two people to watch the video so it is difficult for them to make a wrong decision, in my opinion var is very well, the problem is still there in referees who have given fouls and red cards without a very valid reason and this has happened mainly in the Portuguese league. as I don't see a problem with var, I'm of the opinion that var should be maintained and more technologies should be created that allow for a fairer game, before referees give red cards, it had to be mandatory that they consult var first and only after that could decide whether or not to give the red card

[slackovic]

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now about the technology of var, VAR comes into play when there is controversy in a bid, and there are more than two people to watch the video so it is difficult for them to make a wrong decision, in my opinion var is very well, the problem is still there in referees who have given fouls and red cards without a very valid reason and this has happened mainly in the Portuguese league. as I don't see a problem with var, I'm of the opinion that var should be maintained and more technologies should be created that allow for a fairer game, before referees give red cards, it had to be mandatory that they consult var first and only after that could decide whether or not to give the red card

I agree with this. I have seen a lot of games where the referee made a mistake even though he could check the situation on VAR, but chose not to. The problem with VAR is that it's a technology. And a technology is as good as people that use it. No one can blame VAR for the wrong decision. The sole blame is on a referee. I also agree with people that says that an offside is an offside, no matter if it's by 1 centimeter or 1 meter. If a referee could decide that a player was in small offside and that did not affect the game, then we don't need VAR after all.

Just to be clear, I didn't watch the games that OP is talking about. I'm discussing the use of VAR in sport in general.

[Lucius]

Should UEFA do something about the referees,these guys have everything in their hand and can make the game go any result and I will say again that famous saying from a local coach where I live as he were leading the first place and lost against last place at home,in the end of the game he said explicitly (With this referee even Brazil could not win tonight)?

Let's be realistic and understand that football in Europe but also in the whole world is a top business in which billions of dollars are turned over every year, and where there is money there is also corruption. For those who followed the FIFA case (great documentary FIFA Uncovered), they could see how dirty it is, and what is happening at the lower levels (national championships) is even worse.

In my country, not so long ago, it was found in court that the entire refereeing organization was corrupt to the extent that the clubs paid for "fair refereeing", and I don't think it's better even today - even when there is VAR, which is again in the hands of the referees who sit in the VAR room.

For those who understand that top sport is first of all business, and only then entertainment, nothing will be strange - because they say that the ball is round and unpredictable, just as the referee's decisions are sometimes a bit strange.

[rdluffy]

I agree with this. I have seen a lot of games where the referee made a mistake even though he could check the situation on VAR, but chose not to. The problem with VAR is that it's a technology. And a technology is as good as people that use it. No one can blame VAR for the wrong decision. The sole blame is on a referee.

Usually the VAR referees quickly inform the on-field referee if they have any situations they need to review or if they can let the referee's interpretation stand.
But I still notice that there are still controversial situations, such as the intention of a player, or ball in hand / hand on ball, it is very difficult to make this decision and get it right, even with cameras and more referees watching the match.

Let's be realistic and understand that football in Europe but also in the whole world is a top business in which billions of dollars are turned over every year, and where there is money there is also corruption. For those who followed the FIFA case (great documentary FIFA Uncovered), they could see how dirty it is, and what is happening at the lower levels (national championships) is even worse.

I also watched this documentary, it is revolting that people who would have absolutely nothing to do with soccer, could be the owners of confederations or national teams.
And yes, it is a business, and it is also very important to take into consideration that the soccer referee would be a weak link because the average amount they pay for a referee is not much.
Probably an average soccer player earns in 1 month what the referee will not earn in 1 whole year.
This is not an excuse or a reason, but it is a fact that they need to rethink. But it all gets harder if you consider that FIFA itself has done and does MANY things wrong.

A few days ago I saw a really cool chart where it had the average payouts for each league, now I couldn't find it, but I did a brief search and found this chart, just to illustrate a bit:


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[Lucius]

@rdluffy, If all the information is correct, then I am not surprised that the football referees at the world championships referee "catastrophically" and that before the start of the competition, everyone knows who will be the winner. When we look at the 2018 world championships in Russia, where the main character was the Argentinian who refereed the first match and the final (weird, isn't it?), and no one had heard of him before that. The final in which he did everything for the French to become champions was a steal in front of the eyes of the whole world.

Four years later, we all knew that Argentina would be the champion, and after three disallowed goals in the match against SA, there was no VAR for the Argentines until the end of the championship - not a single disputed event was checked. After all, I am surprised that the majority still think that sport is still sport, and not a rigged game in which luck is the smallest factor and money is the biggest.

[KTChampions]

I don't think it's right to link the referee's possible mistakes to the fact that they negatively affected your bets. At least it hints that you are biased  I think that those who bet on BTTS No did not see any problems at all in these decisions. In general, I agree that judges make mistakes even with VAR, but at the moment it seems to me that the number of mistakes has decreased if we compare with the pre-VAR era.

[FatFork]

Losing a bet due to a referee's call can be a tough pill to swallow, especially if it feels like a questionable decision. But let's be real, making split-second decisions under intense pressure is no easy task. That's why we have VAR technology to assist referees in making the right call. Now, imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. What if you had bet on there being fewer than two goals and the referee let them slide despite an offside position? How would that make you feel?

I get that you had a stake in this, but it's important to consider all perspectives, not just your own.

[Distraction]

First of all I must admit a fact that VAR technology has dropped the number of mistakes to a much lower level compared to the past. Because before this technology we have all witnessed referees making unbelievable mistakes so many times. Maybe it was many years ago but I still don't forget a very clear goal not being counted in a World Cup match despite the ball's passing the goal line clearly.

However VAR usage is still not very efficient nowadays indeed. Sometimes I even see referees not even checking VAR although there is most probably a mistake in their decision. Maybe it is due to VAR referees' not doing their job nicely in those times I don't know. I don't want to tag those matches as "fixed" directly of course. But I also agree that this situation can be bettered.

[Oneandpure]

First of all I must admit a fact that VAR technology has dropped the number of mistakes to a much lower level compared to the past. Because before this technology we have all witnessed referees making unbelievable mistakes so many times. Maybe it was many years ago but I still don't forget a very clear goal not being counted in a World Cup match despite the ball's passing the goal line clearly.

However VAR usage is still not very efficient nowadays indeed. Sometimes I even see referees not even checking VAR although there is most probably a mistake in their decision. Maybe it is due to VAR referees' not doing their job nicely in those times I don't know. I don't want to tag those matches as "fixed" directly of course. But I also agree that this situation can be bettered.

I agree with your opinion about how VAR effective dropped many mistake on every football games, indeed have little mistake on some games I don't think its mistake with VAR and depend on referees its worth for checking VAR or not when have crucial moment. Since VAR was introduced, there are no more diving moments for players in the penalty box, this is one of the advantages for the referee, besides that offside cases are also more effective and VAR currently only takes a few seconds to find out when a player is caught offside or not.

I think VAR has contributed quite a bit at the moment in football matches, especially when decisions are made quite quickly at this time and there are no long pauses in a football match.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Referees and the associated VAR team have often been discussed in the football world, but I don't think it will change in the end. It is not always fair and good what the VAR makes for decisions, but in total it has become fairer I think. But now the referee's interpretation is still an important factor. I think the VAR should only be used for measurable points, now it seems that the VAR is really consciously looking for problems on the field. But the game is also often stopped unnecessarily and for a long time, I think the fun in football used to be more fun. But what about the offside rule 

[QueenVera]

I don't see anything so hard with the referees and and I don't see any reasons to be scared of them and most times I think the audience have more opinion in decision making rather than just thinking so less of them and currently now i see no reason why we should be scared or think so much negative of the referees when we know that their decisions are mostly based on clear interpretation from the audience and what they're are shown on the screen in cases when a. Lead vision is needed to make a precise location.
I also understand that the referees have alot of hands in a match and I believe that most of this international refeers wouldn't want to risk their reputation for just a days meal.

[goaldigger]

I don't think it's right to link the referee's possible mistakes to the fact that they negatively affected your bets. At least it hints that you are biased   I think that those who bet on BTTS No did not see any problems at all in these decisions. In general, I agree that judges make mistakes even with VAR, but at the moment it seems to me that the number of mistakes has decreased if we compare with the pre-VAR era.

Compare before yes, but it looks like we are going back to that era.
There’s a lot of miss calls not just on that match, you can also see the problem with some referees. Well, this is not just in FIFA/EUFA, its also happening in other sports, only if there’s a big penalty for every missed calls, referees should held accountable for that. They are expected to do their job at the highest professionalism, but it looks like they are being carried away by their emotions as well.

[Hispo]

Perhaps in the future FIFA/UEFA could apply an artificial intelligence to perform as a referee instead a human being. It is something which could get rid of the human mistakes and the influence of bribery, but I doubt it could become a thing in the mid term, since I am sure the referees would not feel very happy about it.

Also, the artificial intelligence could take those decisions faster, using several angles of the cameras to determine which team is committing a fault without preferences. 

[Docnaster]

I don't know yet about the match of Athletic Bilbao (I'll check later), but about the Southampton, I saw on ESPN and the VAR helped the referee
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It is very frustrating to be winning a bet for a few seconds or minutes but then lose quickly.
By the VAR we can see that he was a little offside, unfortunately, it seems a few centimeters (I believe about 10 centimeters max), it would be impossible to get this offside without VAR, but I understand your feeling, even with the VAR it's difficult to define the exact moment when the player hit the ball to consider offside.
I think that soccer should urgently review the offside rule and eliminate it, for me it no longer makes sense to have this rule

I hope you didn't lose too much money on that bet swogerino

When VAR was newly introduced, I was somewhat happy that it will address some human errors which sometimes are deliberate either purported by the refrees or as conspired by the authority who already had arrange a particular league or cup in such a  way that will generate income for them. Such as the world cup between Brazil Ronaldinho against Ghana which Ronaldinho score with a clear offside.
But now I have realised that even with VAR a match can be fixed against you. In the worse scenario, the VAR officials will not summon the refree and they will be it.
Again the refrees doesn't face much consequences even when they make wrong decisions.

[AmoreJaz]

Perhaps in the future FIFA/UEFA could apply an artificial intelligence to perform as a referee instead a human being. It is something which could get rid of the human mistakes and the influence of bribery, but I doubt it could become a thing in the mid term, since I am sure the referees would not feel very happy about it.

Also, the artificial intelligence could take those decisions faster, using several angles of the cameras to determine which team is committing a fault without preferences.  

as referees know they are closely filmed and the technology today is more advanced, i believe they will also make sure not to commit mistakes. because one big mistake, it can ruin their career.
AI can be used to assess the game for now, but using them as referees may still not be on the way. how can they be used on the middle of the field or should i say referee on the middle of the field?