Someone at FIFA/UEFA should do something about the referees

[serjent05]

The referees are an integral part of any game I know this but tonight happened something unique and very strange,Southampton lost my bet because of VAR as I had both teams to score,the same with Athletic Bilbao as I had it both teams to score and in both cases the referees impacted the game,somewhat more in La Liga in Spain but I had really nice tickets with many other games that were lost only because of the referees wrong decisions regarding me as I saw the game and I think you cannot disallow 2 goals when the cases were to say the least doubtful.

The commission should do something in case referees shown biased calls.  For the integrity of sporsts, the commission should always be ready to replace any referee that shows some proof of cooking games (fixing) and penalized that referee.  Sometimes when games like this where referee obviously making wrong calls makes me think that the commission is part of the rigging and that they tasks these referees to take charge.

Should UEFA do something about the referees,these guys have everything in their hand and can make the game go any result and I will say again that famous saying from a local coach where I live as he were leading the first place and lost against last place at home,in the end of the game he said explicitly (With this referee even Brazil could not win tonight)?

The UEFA must be strict with referees because as I stated, the integrity of sports heavily relies on these people's hands.  

[Bananington]

Should UEFA do something about the referees,these guys have everything in their hand and can make the game go any result..

If UEFA or any other body that is associated with referees decide to begin to discipline and institute strict career deciding punishment for referees who decide to make biased decisions, other referees will sit up and be more conscious of the decisions they take in any game that they are the main referees. The cases of referees in the game who are supposed to be making correct decisions but making wrong decisions is becoming so much, something really needs to be done.

[alegotardo]

It is very frustrating to be winning a bet for a few seconds or minutes but then lose quickly.
By the VAR we can see that he was a little offside, unfortunately, it seems a few centimeters (I believe about 10 centimeters max), it would be impossible to get this offside without VAR, but I understand your feeling, even with the VAR it's difficult to define the exact moment when the player hit the ball to consider offside.
I think that soccer should urgently review the offside rule and eliminate it, for me it no longer makes sense to have this rule

I hope you didn't lose too much money on that bet swogerino

This question of actually eliminating the impediment is something that generates a lot of controversy.

I am in favor of abolishing this, or at least doing some tests in friendly games without the offside rule.
Just to base it on... until 1998 hockey also had an offside, but later it was removed from the rules and approved by several players and fans.

Eliminating the offside would certainly make the game more dynamic, without the frustrating moves in which players are postponing the ball pass to the attack and delaying lateral throws, for example. I believe that even injuries could be reduced if players didn't have to worry about maintaining an "imaginary line" that cannot be crossed.

VAR could also focus on other more controversial moves and paralyze the game less instead of spending 5 minutes or much more analyzing an offside move.

[Silberman]

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I think that soccer should urgently review the offside rule and eliminate it, for me it no longer makes sense to have this rule

I know the offside rule is not popular as it is probably one of the rules which is the most often applied during a match and it is often the one that causes the most controversy, but if the rule was eliminated then there will always be a striker right in front of the goalkeeper just waiting for the ball to come to him and try to get an easy score, such a change on the rule will change soccer forever, so I would prefer if the rule remained in place to keep the spirit of the game intact.

[Solosanz]

Perhaps in the future FIFA/UEFA could apply an artificial intelligence to perform as a referee instead a human being. It is something which could get rid of the human mistakes and the influence of bribery, but I doubt it could become a thing in the mid term, since I am sure the referees would not feel very happy about it.

I'm not saying this is bad, but this will make the decision is unbiased because the decision is come from the same system, not like human where each of them has their own opinion.

Any player need to careful enough because there's no mercy when the ball touch your hand, it will benefited for the opponent team because they will either get free kick or penalty. There's always a player will find a loophole and AI has no way to determine it since they're programmed and no way to determine case by case basis.

[swogerino]

Should UEFA do something about the referees,these guys have everything in their hand and can make the game go any result..

If UEFA or any other body that is associated with referees decide to begin to discipline and institute strict career deciding punishment for referees who decide to make biased decisions, other referees will sit up and be more conscious of the decisions they take in any game that they are the main referees. The cases of referees in the game who are supposed to be making correct decisions but making wrong decisions is becoming so much, something really needs to be done.

With this post you reminded me of that referee in 2002 from a South American country which made sure South Korea beat Italy 3-0 thanks to him in that distant World Cup of 2002 which was being held in Japan and S.Korea but FIFA soon after decided to ban him after all activities of football including being a referee in his home country after seeing those horrendous mistakes which many thought were intentional as he was bought by S.Korea and this type of action should be still implemented in referees making clamorous mistakes and for me this should start from Spain as there the referees are making massacre after massacre in making bad calls.

[ethereumhunter]

In fact, using VAR and an honest referee can prevent cheating, but it will come back to the referee and the officer overseeing the VAR. And it seems that the referee who oversees the game has violated the rules. UEFA might do something like penalize the referee for being out of office for a period of time but will that prevent the same from other referees? I don't think so because this requires honesty from each referee and VAR officer to be able to give a fair and honest match to the audience.

[slapper]

Referees' poor calls might escalate things. Remember that they're trying their best. Making split-second decisions demands intellect and chutzpah when in authority. This reminds me of "it's the journey, not the destination." Isn't cheering for our teams more important than the game's outcome? Let's look at the big picture. How we handle life's challenges determines our legacy.

[Negotiation]

The referee is the sole official to start and stop play during the match and take disciplinary action against the players. The referee has the power to advise any situation during the game if the ball goes over the line or in the playbook or if there is a violation of the rules. The remuneration of referees for their services depends on the league but FIFA/UEFA referees are selected based on their rank, progression and training methods and on their integrity. If not honest and fair there are many referees who sell to money and break the rules.

[uneng]

There have been many cases of unfair or doubtful decisions by referees along the years in important games, including the World Cup. One of the most memorable one is the 2002's World Cup which is said to have favoured the host asian teams, Japan and South Korea. There was also the Cup where Maradona scored a goal with his hand (la mano de Dios), and the referee was fine with that.

That is not something which is going to disappear from soccer. Therefore, like in Cobra Kai series on an episode where the competition's referee was bribed by the Cobra Kai dojo, Daniel San told his dojo's fighters they should fight much better than the rivals, in a way it would be impossible for the referee to take the victory from them.

The same applies to soccer. The team can't rely on the referee to win. They must show much superior performance to not allow this kind of trickery to get the victory from their hands.

[rdluffy]

@rdluffy, If all the information is correct, then I am not surprised that the football referees at the world championships referee "catastrophically" and that before the start of the competition, everyone knows who will be the winner. When we look at the 2018 world championships in Russia, where the main character was the Argentinian who refereed the first match and the final (weird, isn't it?), and no one had heard of him before that. The final in which he did everything for the French to become champions was a steal in front of the eyes of the whole world.

Four years later, we all knew that Argentina would be the champion, and after three disallowed goals in the match against SA, there was no VAR for the Argentines until the end of the championship - not a single disputed event was checked. After all, I am surprised that the majority still think that sport is still sport, and not a rigged game in which luck is the smallest factor and money is the biggest.

I researched a little more and I believe that the values are very close, in other sites the values change a little more or less, but the average is the same.
The argentinian matches were "curious" in the last world cup, I also agree with you but this is almost impossible to prove, I find it very difficult to know who is honest and serious in FIFA after they discovered all those scandals

I don't know if you are following, but there is probably a big scandal happening about the Spanish championship involving Barcelona, it is worth reading and get even more angry:


Source and link to the news: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/04/football/uefa-president-aleksander-ceferin-barcelona-scandal-spt-intl/index.html

[Lucius]

I researched a little more and I believe that the values are very close, in other sites the values change a little more or less, but the average is the same.
The argentinian matches were "curious" in the last world cup, I also agree with you but this is almost impossible to prove, I find it very difficult to know who is honest and serious in FIFA after they discovered all those scandals.

According to everything we have seen, Qatar won the hosting of the world championship only because they distributed money to everyone who decided on it, and did not ask for the price - the same as Russia did before them. Of course, you can't prove regardless of all the dubious decisions and the non-use of VAR in the same, although this is perhaps the best proof that even with such technology, the game can be directed in the direction that was previously agreed upon.

I don't know if you are following, but there is probably a big scandal happening about the Spanish championship involving Barcelona, it is worth reading and get even more angry:

Big clubs, a lot of money and a lot of influence on everything that can be influenced, and the fact that they did it for 17 years without anyone from the Spanish authorities doing anything shows the level of corruption even in top football. However, Barcelona is too powerful for something serious to happen to it, and the man at the head of UEFA is certainly not the one who will clean the house of European football.

[swogerino]

The same applies to soccer. The team can't rely on the referee to win. They must show much superior performance to not allow this kind of trickery to get the victory from their hands.

That is relative though,no matter how good the team and superior in performance it maybe it cannot win against even the weakest opponent as long as they have a really nasty referee to judge the game.I am repeating that saying of a local league here where I live,the coach which had the game of his life,he needed the win against last place to become Champion and they lost it while playing at home,he said explicitly "with a referee like this one even Brazil cannot win,let alone us" and as such the referees need to be sanctioned just like they sanction the players,FIFA/UEFA should really do something about them,they are destroying football every day more.

[KTChampions]

I don't think it's right to link the referee's possible mistakes to the fact that they negatively affected your bets. At least it hints that you are biased   I think that those who bet on BTTS No did not see any problems at all in these decisions. In general, I agree that judges make mistakes even with VAR, but at the moment it seems to me that the number of mistakes has decreased if we compare with the pre-VAR era.

Compare before yes, but it looks like we are going back to that era.
There’s a lot of miss calls not just on that match, you can also see the problem with some referees. Well, this is not just in FIFA/EUFA, its also happening in other sports, only if there’s a big penalty for every missed calls, referees should held accountable for that. They are expected to do their job at the highest professionalism, but it looks like they are being carried away by their emotions as well.

I'll tell you more: this happens not only in sports, but in general everywhere. To make mistakes is human. As for responsibility, I agree with this, there are actions and there are their consequences. But what would you like to change in the current system? As far as I know those judges who often make mistakes get their rating downgraded and they are given to referee less important games (and may end up with a complete suspension if they do not stop making gross mistakes).

[uneng]

The same applies to soccer. The team can't rely on the referee to win. They must show much superior performance to not allow this kind of trickery to get the victory from their hands.

That is relative though,no matter how good the team and superior in performance it maybe it cannot win against even the weakest opponent as long as they have a really nasty referee to judge the game.I am repeating that saying of a local league here where I live,the coach which had the game of his life,he needed the win against last place to become Champion and they lost it while playing at home,he said explicitly "with a referee like this one even Brazil cannot win,let alone us" and as such the referees need to be sanctioned just like they sanction the players,FIFA/UEFA should really do something about them,they are destroying football every day more.

If a referee blatantly steals the game it will have a negative consequence for him, without any doubts. On this case, it's obvious one team showed superior gameplay than the other, so the referee had to adopt an abusive arbitration to fulfill his shady goal. Therefore, it will have a consequence for the referee and he will be punished accordingly. It's hard to see this kind of situation for real, but if it happened, I believe the prejudiced team would have a new chance to play again, or its victory assured.

On the other hand, if he takes advantage of slight details to favour one team or another, it's likely it will pass unnoticed or it will be even understood by the league's authorities. At same time, it means both teams playing had similar performances, which were exploited by the bribed referee to take the team he wished to the victory.

[savetheFORUM]

A few days ago I saw a really cool chart where it had the average payouts for each league, now I couldn't find it, but I did a brief search and found this chart

Dang, those are nice figures. It makes me want to change my ambition now. Now all I want is to become a referee but of course that is only a joke because number one is I don't have a passion in it and number two is, referee on lower leagues are still being paid low and it takes time for a referee to be promoted and work on higher leagues.

OP,
Sorry for your loss. It is seems that the referee knows that you are betting and they are making you lose intentionally and maybe if you don't place your bets, the game will just run fine without the referee interrupting the game. Let's just hope that someone from the inside can notice this concern of yours and fix this issue with the referees.

[Kakmakr]

In my opinion UEFA/FIFA are just as corrupt as the referees.  Just look what happened with the opening match of the Soccer World cup... (bribes)... was any of that investigated ... or did they ignore that and just continue with the game. 

What was FIFA biggest scandal?
The 2015 centre on the alleged use of bribery, fraud and money laundering to corrupt the issuing of media and marketing rights for FIFA games in the Americas, estimated at $150 million, including at least $110 million in bribes related to the Copa América Centenario to be hosted in 2016 in the United States. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case

[Zlantann]

I was not pleased with the introduction of VAR because I felt it will mechanize the game of football and make it look like a computerized game. Seeing players celebrating and all of a sudden it is cut short by a call for VAR check. The players have to wait anxiously for the result to continue the celebration. In my own opinion, it makes the game looks boring. But people argued that it will reduce errors and make the game flawless. But from the look of things, it is clear that it still causing more controversies. It will be better if we go back to the old human refereeing system instead of wasting money on machines that is still subject to human errors.

Perhaps in the future FIFA/UEFA could apply an artificial intelligence to perform as a referee instead a human being. It is something which could get rid of the human mistakes and the influence of bribery, but I doubt it could become a thing in the mid term, since I am sure the referees would not feel very happy about it.

Also, the artificial intelligence could take those decisions faster, using several angles of the cameras to determine which team is committing a fault without preferences.  

These AI machines are also programmed by humans and can be subject to hacks or system errors. It will be good for FIFA or UEFA to combine the use of human and artificial intelligence to match officiating or scrap VAR entirely just as suggested earlier.

[FUCKBSVFUCK]

It's not easy to find the referees on UEFA games, many believe that the referee will have the job to go to the first team or that they are there to score and if the winner will win then the referee is the only referee with the power to stop this.

[romero121]

I was not pleased with the introduction of VAR because I felt it will mechanize the game of football and make it look like a computerized game. Seeing players celebrating and all of a sudden it is cut short by a call for VAR check. The players have to wait anxiously for the result to continue the celebration. In my own opinion, it makes the game looks boring. But people argued that it will reduce errors and make the game flawless. But from the look of things, it is clear that it still causing more controversies. It will be better if we go back to the old human refereeing system instead of wasting money on machines that is still subject to human errors.

Perhaps in the future FIFA/UEFA could apply an artificial intelligence to perform as a referee instead a human being. It is something which could get rid of the human mistakes and the influence of bribery, but I doubt it could become a thing in the mid term, since I am sure the referees would not feel very happy about it.

Also, the artificial intelligence could take those decisions faster, using several angles of the cameras to determine which team is committing a fault without preferences.  

These AI machines are also programmed by humans and can be subject to hacks or system errors. It will be good for FIFA or UEFA to combine the use of human and artificial intelligence to match officiating or scrap VAR entirely just as suggested earlier.

Humans have programmed the AI machines based on the requirement. It is common to see errors happening through technology as well as through human. To the changing surroundings we're also making changes or getting adopted to it. Initially VAR looked different and now majority accept and find it good. Old way of referring is good, and people accepted it as they had no technology advancement. Now everything is available and sure people expect things to be precise and perfect through technology. In ATP (tennis) it is planned for removal of human referees and go full on technology. Such decisions too is wrong in my view.