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May 02, 2023, 10:31:33 AM
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The Government of India is trying its level best to destroy Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency trading as well as the Bitcoin mining Industry. The Kingdom of Bhutan has been busy mining Bitcoin. After the kingdom of Bhutan, Nepal is the only country where INR is considered a legal tender. I am sure RBI was not aware that the INR flow from Bhutan could be money they generated from mining Bitcoin.

Anyways the important thing is that Bhutan still does not have any regulation on Bitcoin tax. If they plan one then I am sure that would be in support of the Bitcoin trading and mining industry. By the way, the mining is being done using hydroelectricity.  

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 Grin A kingdom that is dependent on India for everything has been silently mining Bitcoin. Amazingly they are using green energy I am eagerly wanting to know who convinced the King of Bhutan for mining Bitcoin. We all know how mainstream media globally has branded Bitcoin mining as a hazard for the environment. I assume the King only got convinced when he was told about mining using hydroelectricity as the kingdom has strict policy on environment.

I read in Cointelegraph that they have been mining Bitcoin when the USD value was only 5k. That means one of our neighbour is far better than us and other neighbours. While Evey other neighbouring country is struggling economically, the Kingdom of Bhutan is busy in creating a reserve of the future currency.
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It seems there are only three users who are active on the local board. Why is that? There were like 5 to 6 active members a few days back. Looks like a mystery to me for now.

Bhutan is a kingdom, that means the King takes all the decisions. I know for a fact that he needs Indian government approval for everything. I do not think he took the approval of starting a Bitcoin mining station.

That is why he has been hiding everything if he allowed to mine Bitcoin when the price was just $5000. Something is not right here, as they need India for everything.

Is the Indian government just like China playing games?

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It seems there are only three users who are active on the local board. Why is that? There were like 5 to 6 active members a few days back. Looks like a mystery to me for now.

Bhutan is a kingdom, that means the King takes all the decisions. I know for a fact that he needs Indian government approval for everything. I do not think he took the approval of starting a Bitcoin mining station.

That is why he has been hiding everything if he allowed to mine Bitcoin when the price was just $5000. Something is not right here, as they need India for everything.

Is the Indian government just like China playing games?

Just like US, these governments are all playing while all of them doesnt want to lose control over their citizen using BTC.

Bhutan however is  small country which like El salvador, they can easily adopt BTC for everyone to benefit.  Seem a win-win when they mine BTC using free energy. Its better than sending their BTC to defi project.

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While the Government of India is trying its level best to destroy Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency trading as well as the Bitcoin mining Industry. The Kingdom of Bhutan has been busy mining Bitcoin. After the kingdom of Bhutan, Nepal is the only country where INR is considered a legal tender. I am sure RBI was not aware that the INR flow from Bhutan can be money they generated from mining Bitcoin.

Anyways the important thing is that Bhutan still does not have any regulation on Bitcoin tax. If they plan one then I am sure that would be in support of the Bitcoin trading and mining industry. By the way, the mining is being done using hydroelectricity.  

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Well honestly this looks like a lucrative destination for Indians then, especially the ones from crypto industry. One can set up their minings rigs in Bhutan because flow of money and tourist is pretty easy. You don't even need a Visa to visit Bhutan from India. I am not sure about how much cash you can bring in or take to Bhutan, but I am sure won't be more than 2-3 Lakhs for sure. Anyways still a lucrative place for Crypto people living in India.
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May 05, 2023, 04:04:03 PM
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Grin A kingdom that is dependent on India for everything has been silently mining Bitcoin. Amazingly they are using green energy I am eagerly wanting to know who convinced the King of Bhutan for mining Bitcoin.

Satoshi Nakamaoto.

May be the King read the bitcoin whitepaper and was really convinced with the tech. LOL.
I guess they decided to mine bitcoin to bring up their economy.

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We all know how mainstream media globally has branded Bitcoin mining as a hazard for the environment. I assume the King only got convinced when he was told about mining using hydroelectricity as the kingdom has strict policy on environment.

Recently there was an articled published on the internet which mentioned that the World Economic Forum recognizes the benefits of bitcoin mining.
More info here: https://www.weforum.org/videos/this-start-up-catches-waste-methane-to-power-data-centres

Another thing is, may be Bhutan has been using renewable energy to mine bitcoin or something. We never know unless a detailed report is published.

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Grin A kingdom that is dependent on India for everything has been silently mining Bitcoin. Amazingly they are using green energy I am eagerly wanting to know who convinced the King of Bhutan for mining Bitcoin. We all know how mainstream media globally has branded Bitcoin mining as a hazard for the environment. I assume the King only got convinced when he was told about mining using hydroelectricity as the kingdom has strict policy on environment.

Don't be so sure! Bhutan is now under the influence of China. Also, it is a democracy now (even though on paper). It seems shocking to me as well because Bhutan is usually a very peace-loving country who don't want to get into many difficult things. So for them getting into crypto mining is shocking to the rest of the world.

Also, it seems that their parliament has approved a whopping amount of money to explore more options about crypto mining and set up the firm. I mean, it's good for them. because Bhutan has been so very much dependent on India for many things. Now if they are able to find their own way of making money, they will get the direct benefits. My only fear that they should not suddenly become an enemy of India by China's influence. 

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Don't be so sure! Bhutan is now under the influence of China. Also, it is a democracy now (even though on paper). It seems shocking to me as well because Bhutan is usually a very peace-loving country who don't want to get into many difficult things. So for them getting into crypto mining is shocking to the rest of the world.

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The bilateral relations between the Himalayan Kingdom of Bhutan and the Republic of India have been traditionally close and both countries share a "special relationship", making Bhutan a protected state, but not a protectorate, of India. India remains influential over Bhutan's foreign policy, defence and commerce.

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Globally it is known that Bhutan is a proxy of India. A big Indian army based is located on the border that separates Bhutan from China. The amount of infrastructure work that India is currently doing in Bhutan has been in the news.

Till a decade back Bhutan did not welcome tourists from anywhere in the world. They first opened up to Indian tourists and then it took another decade for them to open their doors for global tourists. Till 2000 there was no border between Bhutan and India. Everything was done after the new King took power. It would take a matter of minutes for India to takeover the country just like India did in Sikkim.


Also, it seems that their parliament has approved a whopping amount of money to explore more options about crypto mining and set up the firm. I mean, it's good for them. because Bhutan has been so very much dependent on India for many things. Now if they are able to find their own way of making money, they will get the direct benefits. My only fear that they should not suddenly become an enemy of India by China's influence.  

You might be referring to this news - Bhutan Plans a $500 Million Fund for Crypto Mining in the Himalayas

BTW, as an Indian, you cannot work in Bhutan they do not have a work visa only a tourist visa. If you want to stay in Bhutan after your tourist visa expires then you need to pay a certain amount of money per day to the monarch.
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Satoshi Nakamaoto.

May be the King read the bitcoin whitepaper and was really convinced with the tech. LOL.
I guess they decided to mine bitcoin to bring up their economy.


I doubt the King read the Bitcoin whitepaper Grin. There is someone or some institution that is helping them with the tech from 2019. We are talking about a country, not a company in that country that is mining Bitcoin. As per my knowledge, Bhutan is the only country that is mining Bitcoin. The best part comes here Bhutan generates green electricity and out of the total generated 30 percent cannot be consumed by the population. That 30 percent is being used to mine Bitcoin.

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Satoshi Nakamaoto.

May be the King read the bitcoin whitepaper and was really convinced with the tech. LOL.
I guess they decided to mine bitcoin to bring up their economy.


I doubt the King read the Bitcoin whitepaper Grin. There is someone or some institution that is helping them with the tech from 2019. We are talking about a country, not a company in that country that is mining Bitcoin. As per my knowledge, Bhutan is the only country that is mining Bitcoin. The best part comes here Bhutan generates green electricity and out of the total generated 30 percent cannot be consumed by the population. That 30 percent is being used to mine Bitcoin.

Wow. If that's true then Bhutan must be generating some nice amount of profits from their bitcoin mining operation.
Things are changing for good. It's time that India should start learning from Bhutan but it's still busy counting notes through corruption.

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Wow. If that's true then Bhutan must be generating some nice amount of profits from their bitcoin mining operation.
Things are changing for good. It's time that India should start learning from Bhutan but it's still busy counting notes through corruption.

Ultimately India would realize the potential of cryptocurrency but it will be too late. At the moment the government is busy counting the amount that they have received from crypto tax. The top 5 big economies are all against cryptocurrency the latest being the US. Small and struggling economies are welcoming it. The trend has been increasing lately and somewhere I feel they all want to gain financial freedom from US dollar.
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Last year I posted this topic as to how the kingdom nation of Bhutan had been quietly mining Bitcoin using its natural resources. I recently found a new article about the same topic wherein the Bhutanese government has revealed the number of Bitcoins they are holding. They have revealed that they have BTC 13000 valued at more than $780 million. The GDP of Bhutan is around $3 Billion and the substantial amount represents a third of its GDP. You can read more about it in the following article -  Bhutan Holds 13,000 Bitcoins.

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OP, Forbes has been cunningly kind enough to put articles behind a paywall, we poor people cant afford to pay for that and hence we cannot read that source article in the first post.

Coming back to the topic, I did come across this news previously but I have put it away as an exaggerated one. If so much bitcoin is being stored, who is storing them and for what purpose? The government? or its people? Are they using it to fund anything?

Even if it was the people, they would have to spend it somewhere and is there any information regarding that?

Druk holdings is supposedly the company behind this using bitdeer for equipment. I am very skeptical as to what their actual objective here is.

 
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OP, Forbes has been cunningly kind enough to put articles behind a paywall, we poor people cant afford to pay for that and hence we cannot read that source article in the first post.

When I created this topic that article which is now hidden behind the paywall was accessible to everyone. I am not sure why it is not now, next time I will try to avoid articles from Forbes. Thanks for sharing this important information.

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I do not know what Bhutan is planning to do with all those Bitcoins as I am not a native or someone interested in knowing the outcome. It is a country that still has a monarchy and I assume that all those mined Bitcoins are the property of the King of Bhutan. If he uses those for his people then it will be great if he does not then no one in that country would question him. There is one thing that comes to my mind when I see such a piece of news, which is why India cannot take such come up with something like this wherein the government allows and helps miners to mine more Bitcoin. I guess they as in the government are not wanting to take such a step as it will ruin their reputation and also it will show the international community that the Indian economy is not looking good.

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OP, Forbes has been cunningly kind enough to put articles behind a paywall, we poor people cant afford to pay for that and hence we cannot read that source article in the first post.

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he Himalayan kingdom confirmed it has been running a bitcoin mining operation as mystery surrounds the scale of its earlier cryptocurrency investments.

Beneath the Himalayas, rivers fed by ancient glaciers supply the tiny kingdom of Bhutan with immense stores of hydroelectricity. The renewable resource has become an economic engine, accounting for 30% of the country’s gross domestic product, and fueling the homes of nearly all of its 800,000 residents. But for the past few years, Bhutan’s royal government has been quietly devising a new use for these reserves: powering its very own bitcoin mine.

Sources familiar with Bhutan’s efforts to develop sovereign mining operations told Forbes that discussions have been occurring since 2020, though until this week its government had never disclosed its plans. Bhutan sought to harness the country’s hydroelectric plants to power racks of mining machines that solve complex mathematical problems in order to earn bitcoin rewards. Once completed, this would make Bhutan one of the only countries to run a state-owned mine, alongside El Salvador.

On Saturday, days after Forbes contacted Bhutanese officials with questions about the mining scheme, a government representative confirmed to local newspaper The Bhutanese that it had begun mining “a few years ago as one of the early entrants when the price of Bitcoin BTC 0.0% was around USD 5,000.” It explained that the earnings go towards subsidizing power and hardware costs.

Bhutan’s Ministry of Finance did not respond to a list of questions from Forbes about the scope of the enterprise. It’s unclear when mining began, where it’s located and whether the scheme has turned a profit. (As for the start date, bitcoin was valued at $5,000 in April 2019.) It’s also unclear why Bhutan never disclosed the project to its citizens or international partners.

Bhutan is also in negotiations with Nasdaq-listed mining company Bitdeer, which was founded by former Chinese billionaire Wu Jihan. This month, Bitdeer revealed to investors in a stock market update that it was in talks to secure access to 100 megawatts (MW) of power for a bitcoin mining datacenter in Bhutan, slated to break ground this quarter. The Singapore-based firm — one of the world’s largest bitcoin miners — listed on the Nasdaq earlier this month through a $1.1 billion merger with a blank check company. Neither Bitdeer nor Bhutanese officials responded to requests for comment on the deal.

    “It’s concerning that Bhutan's resources have been invested in a secretive manner.”

A partnership with the kingdom would increase Bitdeer’s mining capacity, which is second only to bankrupt Texas-based Core Scientific in scale, by about 12%, adding to its data centers in Washington, Texas and Norway. “We expect to generate 100 MW out of the 550 MW power supply from Bhutan, where the construction of mining datacenter is expected to begin in the second quarter of 2023 and complete in the third quarter of 2024,” Bitdeer said in a investor update on 19 April. The announcement didn’t specify who would ultimately own it.

Tucked between China, India and Nepal, Bhutan is perhaps best known for its emblematic “thunder dragon,” Buddhist monasteries and commitment to “gross national happiness” over domestic product. However, the isolated nation has spent several years cultivating a significant crypto portfolio as well. Forbes previously reported that Bhutan’s state-owned holding company, Druk Holding & Investments, covertly poured millions of dollars into cryptocurrency holdings, which were inadvertently exposed by the bankruptcies of lenders BlockFi and Celsius. While these investments were made through a sovereign entity created to manage the country’s wealth on behalf of its people, its citizens were never told.

Rumors of government-backed bitcoin farms spread across the country in recent years. One Bhutanese citizen told Forbes they believed there were “mostly experimental” projects under way; Druk staff listed their responsibilities on LinkedIn as operating and managing “crypto mining farmhouse” and Bitmain-made mining rigs.

The amount of chips Bhutan has imported also skyrocketed in recent years, according to customs data. Bhutan’s international supporters have cautiously observed its growing crypto appetite and voiced concern that the $193 million spent on computer chips has fueled a yawning trade deficit and tallied with a sharp drop in the country’s foreign currency reserves. “It’s concerning that Bhutan's resources have been invested in a secretive manner in a highly volatile and risky investment which has a big environmental burden,” says one former international advisor, who asked not to be identified.
The Scale Of Bhutan’s Mining

Bhutan’s government appears to have considered working with other miners beyond Bitdeer. Insiders at rival services and pools, where miners share compute power to unlock new bitcoin blocks faster, said they have held advanced talks with senior government officials, including Druk, about the kingdom building and operating a hydro-powered operation. Consultants who advised the government on its mining strategy prior to Bitdeer’s announcement told Forbes that Bhutan had previously inquired about a 100 MW operation hooked into one of its hydroelectric plants.

    This level of spending would equate to a data center the size of several football fields.   

This pales in comparison to massive farms like Riot’s Rockdale facility in Texas, which boasts a 450 MW capacity. But the site would be on par with other large projects, such as Russia’s Bitriver mine and an operation negotiated by Pow.re in Itaipu, Paraguay, which draws electricity from one of the world’s largest dams.

Bhutan customs data hints at the scale of its mining operation. The landlocked country’s inbound trade is normally dominated by gasoline, steel and rice. But millions of dollars of “processing units” or computer chips surged to the top of its imports in 2021 and 2022, according to data published by Bhutan’s Ministry of Finance.

Last year, around $142 million worth of computer chips were imported into Bhutan, accounting for around a tenth of the kingdom’s total $1.4 billion of inbound trade, or around 15% of the government’s $930 million annual budget. The country also imported $51 million of chips in 2021. By comparison, Bhutan custom officials recorded just $1.1 million of these chips were imported in 2020. The cost of bitcoin mining rigs tracks the cryptocurrency’s value as it swings, but industry insiders say even at 2021’s sky-high prices, this level of spending would equate to a data center the size of several football fields.

The trade data classifies the chips under the same export label used by bitcoin mining rig makers, and shows they were largely sourced from China and Hong Kong. However, it doesn’t reveal who exported and imported them. Bhutan’s Ministry of Finance noted that the country’s total imports soared in 2022, partially due to spending on these chips by Druk Holdings & Investment “for special projects.” Bhutanese officials did not respond to questions about how the hardware was used.

The country has been open about its interest in the blockchain as an economic boon; in 2021, it piloted a “central bank digital currency” with the exchange Ripple. But its crypto investments have largely remained a secret, even when they involved entanglements with failed companies. Druk had previously told Forbes it was unable to comment on its exposure to BlockFi “due to confidentiality” reasons. Druk’s recent annual reports and balance sheets make no mention of its digital asset portfolio, or bitcoin mining operations.

Druk CEO Ujjwal Deep Dahal told local media it had borrowed from BlockFi and Celsius to support other investments, and revenues from its bitcoin mining operation meant it had not lost money on its digital asset investments.
Why Bhutan Got Into Crypto

Bitcoin mining has increasingly become an industrial operation, frequently relying on specialized chips from Chinese companies like Bitmain or Nasdaq-listed Canaan. These mining rigs are often bundled together into vast energy-hungry data centers.

China’s move to ban crypto activities in 2021, as well as moves in Kazakhstan and Sweden to limit or tax bitcoin miners, have forced many operations to find new homes with cheap sources of electricity. The United States, Norway and further flown destinations like Paraguay, which also has immense hydropower capacity, have drawn hoards of miners. Still, several of the largest mining operators like Core Scientific and Compute North filed for bankruptcy after bitcoin prices plunged and energy prices soared in the last year.

“It's no surprise that entities are mining bitcoin in Bhutan. The mountainous country has a massive hydropower capacity compared to its small population and produces a similar amount of electricity per capita as the United States — a much wealthier country,” says Jaran Mellerud, bitcoin mining analyst with Luxor. “This cheap, stranded hydropower is undoubtedly alluring for miners whose sole job is turning undervalued electricity into bitcoin.”

Sources familiar with the matter told Forbes that the pandemic was a trigger for senior Bhutan officials to begin talks with bitcoin miners, and mining suppliers. Bhutan, which was closed to foreigners until 1974, again sealed its borders for almost two years to shelter its population of 800,000 from Covid-19. (The country famously staved off the virus for months until its first case was reported in an American tourist in January 2021, which prompted the lockdown.) The country has claimed only 21 Covid-19 deaths to date, but the pandemic devastated its tourism industry, which is core to its economy. Bhutan has championed several novel economic concepts in the past like its Gross National Happiness index, and high-end tourism, with well-heeled visitors being hit with visa fees of $200 per day.

The Singapore Bhutan Association, a club of Chinese, Singaporean businessmen and a member of Bhutan’s royal family, fronted one proposal to run bitcoin miners out of shipping containers, according to recent pitch documents reviewed by Forbes. The scheme promised royal support and cheap energy to investors willing to spend up to $800,000 on shipping containers kitted out with a 700 kilowatt mining rig.

    “This cheap, stranded hydropower is undoubtedly alluring for miners whose sole job is turning undervalued electricity into bitcoin.”

Dasho Ugen Tsechup Dorji, uncle of Bhutan’s current king, said the project was currently on hold. The government “have not approved the private sector to get involved in this business,” Dorji told Forbes. Singapore Bhutan Association board member Humphery Chan said the collapse of FTX, and the logistical issues with transporting and operating mining rigs in the landlocked nation, had soured investor interest.

Analysts have also voiced concerns about Bhutan’s suitability for large-scale mining operations. While Bhutan exports roughly 75% of the electricity generated in its country to India annually, its rivers dwindle in the winter dry season and it actually imports energy back from its giant neighbor.

During those periods, miners stand to lose substantial amounts, according to Alex de Vries, an economics researcher at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and the author of Digiconomist. “If you shut down for extended periods of time you risk not even being able to recoup your investment. Not running means no income.”



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Thanks for posting this technique, it might try it the next time.
For now there were two ways I was able to get access to the article.
Firstly I just did inspect element and deleted the node that showed up the paywall.
I was able to read the article but couldn't scroll the page and so I reloaded the page and immidiately terminated loading the site.
Then I was able to read the whole article without the paywall showing up.

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I came across an post on subreddit of Bitcoin where they were discussing Bitcoin value per person living in that country. Bhutan was leading the chart with a value of $1040 per person. It was above El Salvador on that list and I would not be surprised if a country from the middle East declares how many Bitcoin they are holding in the next couple of years, I think either it will be Qatar or UAE.

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I came across an post on subreddit of Bitcoin where they were discussing Bitcoin value per person living in that country. Bhutan was leading the chart with a value of $1040 per person. It was above El Salvador on that list and I would not be surprised if a country from the middle East declares how many Bitcoin they are holding in the next couple of years, I think either it will be Qatar or UAE.

$1040 per person might sound good but it's not as if the people are gonna receive that amount anyway.
Eventually, it's the King of bhutan who will decide what to do with those bitcoins.
If they are going to use those bitcoins for the welfare of people then good but then otherwise only the wealthy will keep getting wealthier.

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September 26, 2024, 06:40:21 PM
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If they are going to use those bitcoins for the welfare of people then good but then otherwise only the wealthy will keep getting wealthier.


IRL, no one will give no free money to anyone so these are just for the stats like GDP which is shit because we are in the 5th in the entire world doesn't mean the people are living better life than before while the reality is the exact opposite is happening we are being squeezed in the name of taxes for everything and they don't really give us back anything but instead they are giving relaxation to the loan defaulters ( only who took thousands of crores not an average farmers or SME took loan for 10 lakhs).

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September 29, 2024, 08:22:29 AM
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IRL, no one will give no free money to anyone so these are just for the stats like GDP which is shit because we are in the 5th in the entire world doesn't mean the people are living better life than before while the reality is the exact opposite is happening we are being squeezed in the name of taxes for everything and they don't really give us back anything but instead they are giving relaxation to the loan defaulters ( only who took thousands of crores not an average farmers or SME took loan for 10 lakhs).

Yes, the King will be using the Bitcoin mined for his treasure and not for the people. BTW, anyone here has visited Bhutan once if not you should once in your lifetime. I have and it is a beautiful country with friendly people and has some of the best road infrastructure considering it is situated in the Himalayan mountain range. You will see blue skies in Bhutan because they do not want to destroy their environment, so the pollution level in that country is minimal. It is a visa-free destination for Indians and has some of the best nightlife.

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