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April 01, 2024, 04:46:43 PM
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More: the US has destroyed Ukraine way more than Russia. If Ukraine had surrender by the second month of the war, there would have been some several hundred fewer deaths there. Does this mean that the US is more Christian by pushing the war... which they actually pushed on Russia starting at least 2014?
You use so many subverted analogies in the name of God... Few of the most important values The Bible shares are honor, loyalty and fidelity. It teaches us to not give up on principles, which are divine, even during the hardest moments faced in life. We can see this through the struggle many characters of the stories had to overcome in order to fulfill their missions. And when they gave up, God severily punished them, like when the prophet Jonah refused to preach to the people of Nineveh that the Assyrian capital would be destroyed, if they remained in sin. He ran away from his duty, escaping through the seas, when a storm reached the ship and the crew dropped him in the sea, where a giant fish swallowed him.

Jesus could have given up on different moments during his earthly lifetime, but he didn't! Many others could have resigned to the opression imposed to them by much larger and more powerful empires (Exodus from Egypt, Gideon and the Small Army, David versus Goliath...), but they didn't, because they were loyal to those divine principles, and consequently loyal to God.

Christians don't want war, but they have to defend themselves if war is declared to them. It's Ukraine's right to defend their territory, their home, as you would do if someone attempted to invade your house.

You hit the nail right on the head. Ukraine attempted to defend their territory, but they failed. They failed to win against the US/CIA takeover of the Ukrainian government in 2014. And they failed to dislodge the United States and Nato from their government ever since. So, they die uselessly. Do you think Zelensky is Christian? You have missed a lot if you do.

I'm sure Russia had different motives for going into Ukraine in 2022. But among them was the desire to protect Russian and Ukrainian people in the whole area that Russia has taken over since. Protect them from what? Protect them from being killed by the Ukrainian government. It's a shame that the US was/is simply using Ukraine to try to conquer Russia.

Why was the Ukrainian government killing its own in the Donetsk areas since 2014? Because these people were in favor of Russia more than they were in favor of the US. It's like you said. The country has the right of self-defense. But since the US controlled the government, people in favor of Russia were persecuted.

So you see, it isn't as simple and straightforward as you seem to think. And the result of the funding and armament the US sent to Ukraine is the deaths of possibly more than 400,000 soldiers, the vast majority Ukrainians. But it seems that the US wants to kill the rest of the Ukrainian people off, too. They are still pushing armament and funds in.

And while we will never know for sure, because it can never be done over the other way, probably Russia would never have entered Ukraine if people were not being killed by the Ukrainian government. Russia would have been happy to simply buy from Ukraine whatever else it needed, including passageway to the Black Sea.

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EDIT: A little about the "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine:
Since achieving independence in August 1991, Ukraine's leaders have advocated building a democratic, free-market society with strong relations with its Russian neighbor and deeper relations with Europe. The first two post-independence presidents, Leonid Kravchuk and Leonid Kuchma, each campaigned as reform candidates but ultimately Kuchma became more associated with corruption. Determined to hold onto power, he grew more conservative and backpedaled on reform, responding to dissension by cracking down on media freedom. In November 2001, Kuchma dismissed reform-minded Prime Minister Viktor Yushchenko and replaced him with Viktor Yanukovich. Ultimately, these two men would battle it out for president in November 2004. The story that unfolded is nothing short of remarkable.

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More: the US has destroyed Ukraine way more than Russia. If Ukraine had surrender by the second month of the war, there would have been some several hundred fewer deaths there. Does this mean that the US is more Christian by pushing the war... which they actually pushed on Russia starting at least 2014?
You use so many subverted analogies in the name of God... Few of the most important values The Bible shares are honor, loyalty and fidelity. It teaches us to not give up on principles, which are divine, even during the hardest moments faced in life. We can see this through the struggle many characters of the stories had to overcome in order to fulfill their missions. And when they gave up, God severily punished them, like when the prophet Jonah refused to preach to the people of Nineveh that the Assyrian capital would be destroyed, if they remained in sin. He ran away from his duty, escaping through the seas, when a storm reached the ship and the crew dropped him in the sea, where a giant fish swallowed him.

Jesus could have given up on different moments during his earthly lifetime, but he didn't! Many others could have resigned to the opression imposed to them by much larger and more powerful empires (Exodus from Egypt, Gideon and the Small Army, David versus Goliath...), but they didn't, because they were loyal to those divine principles, and consequently loyal to God.

Christians don't want war, but they have to defend themselves if war is declared to them. It's Ukraine's right to defend their territory, their home, as you would do if someone attempted to invade your house.
You, as usual for Putin’s defenders, started with a lie. First, the US did not take over the Ukrainian government and did not participate in the coup. Secondly, the United States, unlike Russia, fulfilled its obligations to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine. Russia violated the treaty by attacking Ukraine. As for the government coup in Ukraine, what does Russia care about it? Tomorrow, let’s say there will be a coup in Afghanistan or Pakistan, or some other country, so that Russia will have to attack? The Ukrainian people themselves must decide what kind of government they should have without instructions from the Kremlin.

You hit the nail right on the head. Ukraine attempted to defend their territory, but they failed. They failed to win against the US/CIA takeover of the Ukrainian government in 2014. And they failed to dislodge the United States and Nato from their government ever since. So, they die uselessly. Do you think Zelensky is Christian? You have missed a lot if you do.

I'm sure Russia had different motives for going into Ukraine in 2022. But among them was the desire to protect Russian and Ukrainian people in the whole area that Russia has taken over since. Protect them from what? Protect them from being killed by the Ukrainian government. It's a shame that the US was/is simply using Ukraine to try to conquer Russia.

Why was the Ukrainian government killing its own in the Donetsk areas since 2014? Because these people were in favor of Russia more than they were in favor of the US. It's like you said. The country has the right of self-defense. But since the US controlled the government, people in favor of Russia were persecuted.

So you see, it isn't as simple and straightforward as you seem to think. And the result of the funding and armament the US sent to Ukraine is the deaths of possibly more than 400,000 soldiers, the vast majority Ukrainians. But it seems that the US wants to kill the rest of the Ukrainian people off, too. They are still pushing armament and funds in.

And while we will never know for sure, because it can never be done over the other way, probably Russia would never have entered Ukraine if people were not being killed by the Ukrainian government. Russia would have been happy to simply buy from Ukraine whatever else it needed, including passageway to the Black Sea.

Cool

EDIT: A little about the "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine:
Since achieving independence in August 1991, Ukraine's leaders have advocated building a democratic, free-market society with strong relations with its Russian neighbor and deeper relations with Europe. The first two post-independence presidents, Leonid Kravchuk and Leonid Kuchma, each campaigned as reform candidates but ultimately Kuchma became more associated with corruption. Determined to hold onto power, he grew more conservative and backpedaled on reform, responding to dissension by cracking down on media freedom. In November 2001, Kuchma dismissed reform-minded Prime Minister Viktor Yushchenko and replaced him with Viktor Yanukovich. Ultimately, these two men would battle it out for president in November 2004. The story that unfolded is nothing short of remarkable.
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