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May 08, 2023, 12:58:39 AM
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Governments really decide what is to be used as currency, and we ourselves don't have any controls on it. No matter how hard we push it, if the government doesn't want it, then it is still useless. Governments are powerful, which is why we can't do anything about it. That is the reason why other people are still buying bitcoin even though it is illegal in their country. They see potential in it, but they are quiet about it as they might get into trouble. What's my point? The government will be implementing those established ones like fiat, and if they see that there is something wrong with something like bitcoin, they will ban it, and you can't stop it.
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May 08, 2023, 01:41:02 AM
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Governments really decide what is to be used as currency, and we ourselves don't have any controls on it. No matter how hard we push it, if the government doesn't want it, then it is still useless. Governments are powerful, which is why we can't do anything about it. That is the reason why other people are still buying bitcoin even though it is illegal in their country. They see potential in it, but they are quiet about it as they might get into trouble. What's my point? The government will be implementing those established ones like fiat, and if they see that there is something wrong with something like bitcoin, they will ban it, and you can't stop it.

Money used to be valuable and has to be rare so the reason gold was the choice since time. When Roman empire gradually collapse their currency was devalued and over time less and less silver and gold was present in their coins as inflation takes over.

But in the case of US government, they just declare the worthless paper by telling the people they are protecting the value of gold from speculators. So yeah government ps are powerful enough and imposed this law saying its temporary. Its not temporary. BTC is rare. I think government should just shift to BTC reserve if theyre not going back to gold.

Students believe what is taught on them. Shools and universities are under the governments.

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May 08, 2023, 01:47:31 AM
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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.
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We can't force the father here, for me that is his own opinion, and what can see, what if this father still doesn't know what is Bitcoin or still doesn't know how Bitcoin works?
These kinds of people sure are still living in the old times, and most of these are still practicing the old ways.
We should also consider what kind of government they have or which country they are living.

Maybe the dad doesn't know about bitcoin, but I don't see anything wrong with that answer. I have never seen a place where the rights of the citizens are higher than the government. Whether you come from a capitalist or a socialist country, the government decides everything, whether bitcoin is legal or not is up to them. We have never had the right to decide, this is a fact we should accept. The government will not be able to ban bitcoin completely, but for bitcoin to become legal or not, legal tender or not, the government's decision is indispensable.

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May 08, 2023, 02:26:03 AM
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It's okay if his dad says that and isn't interested in your bitcoins. You have to keep teaching his son, who is interested in bitcoin and let his father still think like that. It was common in many places when his father or an elder did not want to accept new information and tended to choose what he liked.

You don't need to think too much about the father and refocus on teaching the child. Everyone will have a different fate as well as the child. So if you educate him about bitcoin, it will be a great achievement because children can use it for their life.

As long as there is a willingness from the child to learn about bitcoin, I don't think that will stop him from continuing to learn even though his father may not approve. But when his son can succeed in doing something through bitcoin, in this case making more money from bitcoin, his father will surely realize that what his son is doing is good for him. He will probably open his eyes and mind and try to accept bitcoins.

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May 08, 2023, 08:42:57 AM
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What is shame here? There is nothing wrong with saying that the government decides everything. Can you fight them? If your country banned bitcoin, would you dare to tell people that you are using bitcoin? Like it or not, government is the most powerful agency and they decide everything in this world, against them is not a good idea.
I don't want to be right and that's not what I am replying to your point, you did have one here, the lecturer is right but Bitcoin is not under any restriction in my country, it was banned years ago but not anymore.

I am surprised that this lecturer is now telling his son not to get involved with Bitcoin that's it's not money and it's illegal, as a lecturer I expected him to be open and explore more, there is no end to knowledge.

If my own father was against Bitcoin years ago and he somehow forbids me not to trade or hold Bitcoin my Life would have been way worse than it is right now. I do not believe that this man is saying this because he lacks the knowledge, I believe he is saying this because he doesn't want to believe that something could work without government intervention.

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May 08, 2023, 08:56:42 AM
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Can’t blame the father also, as for him these online investments cryptos might be still new or foreign. So yes when you don’t have experience on a particular matter and someone says , it is bad, then you automatically creates similar impression on that. The father surely must be in the 50s, for which he claimed such a statement regarding the government. I am pretty sure that if the lecturer, tries Bitcoins himself and enjoys the real features of it, then he will question on government’s claim towards Bitcoins.

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May 08, 2023, 05:56:41 PM
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Been a  citizen or anyone who has visited a state or a country must be familiar with the laws and regulations that apply there, and it is necessary that they must follow the laws and regulations that have been approved by the government of that location in order to avoid any repercussions. I do not believe it is wrong for parents to teach their kids to obey government laws especially been a citizen.Every government has a duty to defend its inhabitants from any dangers, and some governments may choose to outlaw Bitcoin for a specific period of time for a variety of reasons.so if Bitcoin is not legalize in someone country, I don't think it is good idea to be encouraging people publicly.

If the lecturer  have sufficient knowledge about Bitcoin, the lecturer might not have called it a scam. I think that a lot of people who are now successful Bitcoin investors may have initially written it off as a fraud because they didn't know much about Bitcoin and its blockchain technology at that period of time, but once they did, the information helped them come to believe Bitcoin was real.

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May 08, 2023, 06:27:00 PM
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I've read some comments and people don't get why I believe it's a shame that this is coming from a lecturer. My father was old skool too, yet he never think that paper money is not replaceable, he was so opened to new ideas and he believe that anything is possible.

As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.
You are kind of getting me confuse right now @ O.P, because that the boy's father doesn't believe in Bitcoin is a clear sign he must have had a series of online scams and as such trying to prevent his son from facing any of such, of which you don't need to blame him. Secondly, that a person is a professor in education doesn't mean such an individual is entitled to know everything in this world, and lastly, please when it comes to learning about Bitcoin, try not to force anyone so that if the price happens to fall, or go the opposite, no one put the blame on you.

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May 08, 2023, 06:40:11 PM
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I've read some comments and people don't get why I believe it's a shame that this is coming from a lecturer. My father was old skool too, yet he never think that paper money is not replaceable, he was so opened to new ideas and he believe that anything is possible.

As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.

People believe so much in their government that's why many poor people are so powerless, some countries are in a mess today because all the people believe in are those corrupt politicians leading their countries.

I read some comments and I am disappointed, many people are just buying Bitcoin but they don't understand that Bitcoin gives power to the people through decentralization, for the first time in history the government is unable to be in total control of something, that's Bitcoin.



Wouldnt really be that shocking but if i were you then it would be better that you should really ignore those people who do have this kind of close mindset because they do get been used too specially with those oldies.
So expect that it would really be passed up into their sons and grandchildren on which its never been that shocking if ever there would be criticisms specially on Bitcoin or something that they havent been able to encounter or simply the dont have the idea on what it is. You would really be able to see that they would be sticking out into their principles and wont really be tending to hear out those new ideas
or things that do currently existing.

When someone do approach then its not bad to tell out and lead them to those basic url or sites which do shows basic information on what Bitcoin is. You would really be having no obligation
as long you wouldnt really be giving out some guarantees or assurance that they would make money. Speak up about the utility and then move to the next one.
If ever they do show up some interest and stick with you then its up to you whether you would continue to teach them about it.

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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

This is what I get from a lecturer of a university in my country, I was trying to teach some students about Bitcoin and crypto, I was forced to even do it because I have been busy with my business for the past one month now, a good year this 2023 has been for my business, but these students have been calling me to come and give them some lectures about Bitcoin so I did this yesterday.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.

If something is not clear or doesn't make sense, we should look for answers and not make a blind determination on it, your action can have an impact on someone's else.
The lecturer have called Bitcoin a scam and his son is lost, I still told him to do research on his own but I myself have lose interest trying to explain anything to him anymore.

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I've read some comments and people don't get why I believe it's a shame that this is coming from a lecturer. My father was old skool too, yet he never think that paper money is not replaceable, he was so opened to new ideas and he believe that anything is possible.

As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.

People believe so much in their government that's why many poor people are so powerless, some countries are in a mess today because all the people believe in are those corrupt politicians leading their countries.

I read some comments and I am disappointed, many people are just buying Bitcoin but they don't understand that Bitcoin gives power to the people through decentralization, for the first time in history the government is unable to be in total control of something, that's Bitcoin.




I would have to agree, it is a shame. At some point too it does become a burden trying to say the same thing over and over and explain why bitcoin is so important in so many ways and they still don't understand it. It makes one question their IQ and capacity to understand complex issues and systems lmao but hey what I always say is the old horse and water phrase, you know the one. Can't force a horse to drink the water when they don't even really know what the water is / don't understand that water is good for them!

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May 09, 2023, 06:46:03 AM
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You know, even educated people often won't agree to anything when you try to explain it to them, and bitcoin was useful to those who understood what it was. Regarding the son, if he finds what you are teaching them to be interesting, he will want to learn more without being lectured. I don't believe you should feel bad about wasting your time on a student and then telling the lecturer's son that bitcoin is a bad thing thereafter.
Speaking negatively about bitcoin won't stop it from advancing because the number of people who are interested in it rises daily, and according to students, it's not everything we should tell our parents about because some of them are not cynical about some technological developments.

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May 09, 2023, 06:57:47 AM
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Governments really decide what is to be used as currency, and we ourselves don't have any controls on it. No matter how hard we push it, if the government doesn't want it, then it is still useless. Governments are powerful, which is why we can't do anything about it. That is the reason why other people are still buying bitcoin even though it is illegal in their country. They see potential in it, but they are quiet about it as they might get into trouble. What's my point? The government will be implementing those established ones like fiat, and if they see that there is something wrong with something like bitcoin, they will ban it, and you can't stop it.
The government knows exactly what they need to do in order to seize their citizens' opportunities; yet, they are afraid of facing reality; they do not want bitcoin to outperform our general fiat money; bitcoin will serve more purposes for the country. The government supervised people' affairs and estimated budgets, but it doesn't imply we should follow their regulations even when it's evident that they're completely on the wrong side of progress. Bitcoin is a good market project, and cryptocurrency is a welcome development. The world is changing, and we need everything positive we can get our hands on; there is no time for putting off efforts, channeling every ounce of energy into something useful. .

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May 09, 2023, 07:15:29 AM
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The government knows exactly what they need to do in order to seize their citizens' opportunities; yet, they are afraid of facing reality; they do not want bitcoin to outperform our general fiat money; bitcoin will serve more purposes for the country. The government supervised people' affairs and estimated budgets, but it doesn't imply we should follow their regulations even when it's evident that they're completely on the wrong side of progress. Bitcoin is a good market project, and cryptocurrency is a welcome development. The world is changing, and we need everything positive we can get our hands on; there is no time for putting off efforts, channeling every ounce of energy into something useful. .

Funny thing is we the people both for that government to control our respective country. I don’t want to become biased on Bitcoin because it sounds like we our rebelling to our government. The problem on this fiat was it is inherited to our ancestors that works more than a hundred years while Bitcoin is just a fraction of that duration. I know that Bitcoin is working for us because we are the majority same with fiat when it’s newly introduced to replace precious metal. My point is we don’t know exactly what will be the future implications for this new technology which is why government is very cautious on adapting it.

Some country is already slowly regulating which is a good sign that we are moving forward. Right now Bitcoin is experiencing high fees due to ordinals so what’s gonna happened to us if all of us is using Bitcoin right now. Imagine how overload the mempool is if the majority of people sending transaction or participating on shitty ordinal.

Bitcoin still have some lapses when it will be use by the majority. I think slowly pruning all this lapses and preparing for greater purpose is still the best rather than mocking on the government while we are still encountering some serious problem until now.
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May 09, 2023, 07:29:46 AM
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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

You don't have to blame the father for giving his son such fatherly advise. A man can only give out what he has in him. The father isn't familiar with Bitcoin and would had heard wrong stories about how bad Bitcoin is and wouldn't what his child to participate in such thing. The father is also working for the government and from what I have heard, Bitcoin isn't welcomed in that country.

You have to convince the father that Bitcoin isn't as bad as it's be viewed in the country so he won't be telling his son a different thing from what you're teaching him. Convince the father and you'll get the son. Bitcoin are use mostly for illegal things in that country as we know.

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May 09, 2023, 08:09:52 AM
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What is shame here? There is nothing wrong with saying that the government decides everything. Can you fight them? If your country banned bitcoin, would you dare to tell people that you are using bitcoin? Like it or not, government is the most powerful agency and they decide everything in this world, against them is not a good idea.
I don't want to be right and that's not what I am replying to your point, you did have one here, the lecturer is right but Bitcoin is not under any restriction in my country, it was banned years ago but not anymore.

I am surprised that this lecturer is now telling his son not to get involved with Bitcoin that's it's not money and it's illegal, as a lecturer I expected him to be open and explore more, there is no end to knowledge.

If my own father was against Bitcoin years ago and he somehow forbids me not to trade or hold Bitcoin my Life would have been way worse than it is right now. I do not believe that this man is saying this because he lacks the knowledge, I believe he is saying this because he doesn't want to believe that something could work without government intervention.

You just have to understand that, once someone doesn't like something, even if it's legal, it's highly valuable, they'll still hate it and talk bad about it. And you won't be able to change their mind, simply because they don't like it, not because they lack understanding. What he told his children is not true but that is his view on bitcoin.

But honestly, I'm not worried about that boy, the kids are curious and love to explore. He'll be looking for bitcoin more when his dad says so because there's no way bad things can spread and become more common every day. The paper does not wrap fire, truth is truth, I believe that boy will soon find out the truth about bitcoin.

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May 16, 2023, 01:59:54 PM
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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.


Some agreement can be made with the given discussion and disagreements are always formed. In a todays era, it is not appropriate that if the government says ok, then that thing is right and if says no, then it should not be adopted. As far as old fashioned things and business methods are concerned, that time was different, but today’s requirements have brought a lot of innovations and advancements. So we have to try to leave the traditional business to internet. Expand your business to the world and create new ways to empower the younger generation.

Being a lecturer, teacher or any motivational speaker, it’s the responsibility to teach our young’s about trading techniques and also ways whom they may connect upon their choice (Especially for the BITCOIN).

Amongst the other business of trading, Bitcoin, as a decentralized digital currency, has the potential to impact political stability in various ways. However, it's important to note that the relationship between Bitcoin and political stability is complex, and the effects can be both positive and negative. Bitcoin allows individuals to have control over their funds without relying on traditional financial institutions or governments. Bitcoin has the potential to promote financial inclusion by providing access to financial services to individuals who are unbanked or under banked. Bitcoin makes it difficult for governments to control or censor transactions.
Bitcoin can provide a means for individuals to conduct transactions privately and securely, potentially challenging the government's control over financial systems. It's important to note that while Bitcoin has the potential to influence political stability, it is just one factor among many, because in the world we are living in, and in the future, all traders will be able to complete their planes in the digital world and in accordance with the procedures related to chain management.

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May 16, 2023, 04:04:10 PM
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As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.
Not every lecturers are open minded regards technology and innovation. Many lecturers (although I can't assure if it's the case here) are on confortable social and financial positions on their local communities that they become blind to the issues most people are facing and struggling, because their personal lives are nearly to perfection considering their personal needs.

Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.

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May 16, 2023, 09:54:52 PM
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Well, it is regrettable how too many people are brainwashed by governments. They literally follow all rules and laws even when you are unrealistic and unfair. That’s the consequence of fear, fear of punishment. And to be honest, you have made the right decision OP. You wanted to help your students and show them the importance of Bitcoin and Blockchain in this era. Regarding the governments and how they imposing their power to citizens, it is literally out of your control and there is no need to over stress yourself. Fortunately, in last few years we have seen some countries who started accepting Bitcoin as a legal coin such as, El Salvador. Also, the rate of crypto users is progressing rapidly. Probably, more countries will recognize Crypto in the near future. Let’s be optimistic.
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Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.
Changes always takes time and so called gurus or influencers try to stop the changes. There is a big ego behind that, those people don't want people to follow the change or embrace it, they want people to follow them and their old way. Thats why don't follow others blindly, do your own research.
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May 16, 2023, 10:37:53 PM
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As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.
Not every lecturers are open minded regards technology and innovation. Many lecturers (although I can't assure if it's the case here) are on confortable social and financial positions on their local communities that they become blind to the issues most people are facing and struggling, because their personal lives are nearly to perfection considering their personal needs.

Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.

i don't blame them, I mean, in their position, they are living a life where they are content with what they have and don't need to change anything.  if you live the life you want, have a house, a car, and a high income… your life is perfect, then you have no reason to change it. We should not blame anyone because everyone has a different perspective and way of looking at life.  we look to bitcoin because we are looking for wealth, while many people don't need it because they already have it.

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