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May 07, 2023, 08:36:00 AM
Last edit: May 08, 2023, 08:57:44 AM by Outhue
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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

This is what I get from a lecturer of a university in my country, I was trying to teach some students about Bitcoin and crypto, I was forced to even do it because I have been busy with my business for the past one month now, a good year this 2023 has been for my business, but these students have been calling me to come and give them some lectures about Bitcoin so I did this yesterday.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.

If something is not clear or doesn't make sense, we should look for answers and not make a blind determination on it, your action can have an impact on someone's else.
The lecturer have called Bitcoin a scam and his son is lost, I still told him to do research on his own but I myself have lose interest trying to explain anything to him anymore.

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I've read some comments and people don't get why I believe it's a shame that this is coming from a lecturer. My father was old skool too, yet he never think that paper money is not replaceable, he was so opened to new ideas and he believe that anything is possible.

As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.

People believe so much in their government that's why many poor people are so powerless, some countries are in a mess today because all the people believe in are those corrupt politicians leading their countries.

I read some comments and I am disappointed, many people are just buying Bitcoin but they don't understand that Bitcoin gives power to the people through decentralization, for the first time in history the government is unable to be in total control of something, that's Bitcoin.



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May 07, 2023, 08:48:22 AM
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You were never expecting such hatchet words and discouragement from a lecturer, right?
the same way people want to see every man of God be righteous in all his doings.

Professions don't define someone. As you know, in my field of study (Social Science), you are always entitled to your own decision and have the right to quote and prove whatever someone says wrong, provided that you have enough claims to prove your own point.

This lecturer who says Bitcoin is wrong is viewing it in a very employment-friendly direction. He is a government worker who thinks everything that his employer says stands and remains the best because the employer puts food on their table. Those kinds of people are not people you go into an argument with.

You don't have to feel discouraged or disappointed; you have done your part; you have passed out knowledge regarding Bitcoin; few will learn; few will agree with you; some will also disagree; it is what it is; the son to be in the university is old enough to take his own decisions; if he wants to invest in Bitcoin today, he will; unless all his money is coming from his dad's pocket, he has to obey the instructions coming from the hands that feed him in order not to start answering the name of a disobedient child.

We Bitcoiners know what's best for us; we don't need the government to decide for us. They always think staying at the top means they know everything and that all their decisions are best for the people.
 
I don't actually believe in the word "illiterate." Saying someone is illiterate sounds mean to me. People are all educated in different aspects of life, and there are those who are enlightened based on their findings within their surroundings and locality. But their only lack is exposure to western education; I don't regard them as illiterates.

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May 07, 2023, 08:52:08 AM
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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.  
The father is so correct, only the government can decide which currency becomes a legal tender, the government can ban any currency that they do not want, but BTC is a permissionless currency, so people can still use it without their governments permission, even if the government never makes it a legal tender it does not stop people from sending BTC's to one another or from accepting it. If BTC is banned in a country, it is very difficult to use it and you may get yourself arrested if you do so, but i don't think there is ever going to be a massive ban of BTC around the world. BTC is a censorship resistant and permissionless currency, but you would not want your government to turn against it completely, it would be a problem for people that use BTC in your country.

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May 07, 2023, 08:54:47 AM
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You know right if lecturer or teacher mostly teach you about an old knowledge or subject that's already outdated with the present situation? not to mention most of governments aren't supporting Bitcoin as a currency, they only let their citizens to use it as a commodity and call it a high risk investment.

You can't change the lecturer, teacher or old people's mind, they will underestimate and not hear you since they think they're older than you and must be experienced than you.

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May 07, 2023, 09:24:04 AM
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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

That's indeed a reality and will remain in that state no matter whoever does anything that won't change anything in the current system. It's government that decides that who will get good thing and who won't. And, people who oppose the decisions of the government will either be jailed or defamed badly. That's a bitter realty of the system and we must have to swallow it either willingly or unwillingly.

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This is what I get from a lecturer of a university in my country, I was trying to teach some students about Bitcoin and crypto, I was forced to even do it because I have been busy with my business for the past one month now, a good year this 2023 has been for my business, but these students have been calling me to come and give them some lectures about Bitcoin so I did this yesterday.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

You did very well in educating them about Bitcoin and crypto-currencies as all the students have the right to learn about Bitcoin and its potential in this busy world. However, I must say that the lecturer is also right in his place because it's government that decides to make a currency legal or illegal tender. It a government puts strong regulations on a crypto-currency then it would be impossible to trade that crypto in their jurisdiction.

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His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.

If his son has interest in Bitcoin then he will find a way to learn about it no matter what his father or someone else told him about it. The discouragement can't stop someone from learning about a new thing but in most cases it works in the opposite direction.

You haven't wasted your energy because those 2 hours of yours will change the life of many of those students. The eager ones will surely come to you to learn more about the currency and the technology behind it. You should also guide those students about this forum if you found them interested in Bitcoin.


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May 07, 2023, 09:25:47 AM
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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

This is what I get from a lecturer of a university in my country, I was trying to teach some students about Bitcoin and crypto, I was forced to even do it because I have been busy with my business for the past one month now, a good year this 2023 has been for my business, but these students have been calling me to come and give them some lectures about Bitcoin so I did this yesterday.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.

If something is not clear or doesn't make sense, we should look for answers and not make a blind determination on it, your action can have an impact on someone's else.

Perhaps when it comes to other things that can help the government's jurisdiction, it can be said that the government can order its citizens to follow this or that.

But when it comes to the personal life of each person, I don't think the government covers it because our life and survival do not depend on the government, so if we want to know what Bitcoin is, it is no longer covered by the government. that we live in, even if the government doesn't want it or wants Bitcoin.




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May 07, 2023, 09:34:57 AM
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Honestly, it's hard to argue with that because we live in a world with governments. If we want to enjoy using bitcoin based on its main purpose, which is decentralization, we can't expect it to happen because government intervention would make that decentralization centralized.

The government will decide whether to regulate bitcoin or not, and if they choose not to regulate it, that means it's banned or illegal.

If you want bitcoin to exist without government interference, it won't prosper, and mass adoption won't happen, which will likely lead to its collapse. Currently, major exchanges are regulated, if not all, so it's safe to say that bitcoin is also regulated.

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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

Actually, I don't think everything the government does is wrong, and not everything they do is right. The government must have a reason why they ban something because it is their function as a government, to manage and ban things in their territory. However, if you live in a country based on democracy, you can determine what is best for you. Even when the government says they are banning Bitcoin, you can still choose to use it and there is nothing wrong with that. But of course there are consequences for this and you have to be prepared for that. But as far as I know people who use Bitcoin in countries where Bitcoin is banned have not been arrested, only those who use Bitcoin for criminal acts have been arrested.


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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.


If we talk about the conditions in today's society, it is true that it is the government that regulates what currency is best for their citizens and maybe this teacher is referring to this. But like I said, you can still use Bitcoin even when the government says it's not good. It all comes back to each of us, whether we agree or not with the government. You can give a deeper explanation in this matter to your students.


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His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

This child is not always small, one day he will grow up and be able to determine for himself what is best for him without being influenced by other people's words. Maybe in the future he will become a Bitcoin enthusiast like us, who knows. But for now maybe he will still listen to what his father said. And you should stick with your stance on teaching about Bitcoin and Blockchain and how these benefit in everyday life. I'm sure that someday out of all the students you teach, some will jump into the world of cryptocurrencies and become one like us who believe in Bitcoin and Altcoins.

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May 07, 2023, 10:08:15 AM
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I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.
You can not change everyone. You can try but you can only change a few people and there are some people you will never be able to change them despite of how many hours and efforts you try to do it.

Although 2 hours is not too much to change one persons' mind about something he is not favorite or worse against it, I recognize your efforts which can change live of some people. They were already exposed to something new and they have to make their decision, do more research about it and kick off their adventure or forget about what you said.

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May 07, 2023, 10:35:10 AM
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OP, you shouldn't be discouraged or allow this to way you down to assist those students to know about bitcoin. The lecturer is an aged man who don't have the understanding of bitcoin and its blockchain technology that it is a decentralized system and even the government can't have access to identity of bitcoin users. You should also remember that as a lecturer, he is used to the old fashion fiat lifestyle and he is use to government financial bondage. A lecturer is a government employee and would feel he knows all because of his high level of education. Bitcoin is a new technology for the youths and the aged ones will not accept the adoption because they are adamant to changes. Go on with teaching the students because I believe one or two of them will come back to you for this.
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As we all know, all individuals have different views and perspectives about Bitcoin, some say it's good some say it's a high risk of investment. Not minding what everyone says, your choice will determines what and how you want to see Bitcoin

And yes, it is true that only the government can tell which and which currency should be used in the country. You won't blame the lecturer. his own belief and  idea about Bitcoin before now is definitely something that is used to scam others so hearing it from his child as a father, he would preach against it.

Don't stop the good work, spread the word.

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It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.
It’s not everyone that’s leaving in a word that government decides what’s good from what’s bad, we all know that bitcoin have been illegal in different countries, but citizens of those countries are still looking for ways to make use of bitcoin, but it can’t be done publicly because they are going to be punished by the government. Their was a certain time which the central bank of my country gave directives to all banks to ban accounts that have been linked to cryptocurrency, everyone was scared so that their account won’t be affected, but people were still making use of bitcoin then, i was even surprised because bitcoin got more popular in my country then.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.
Most of those lectures know the fact but they are just trying to hide it, they are supporting the government, or should I say the lecture is old so he those not have much knowledge about digital currency, but I think he should have gone on a research first before just making conclusion.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.
You have tried your best to enlighten people about bitcoin, you have to leave your own personal business just to each people about bitcoin, you have don’t your part so it’s left for the lecturers son to make decision, if he will be investing in bitcoin or he will choose to follow what his father said. You can’t force anyone to invest in bitcoin and am sure he is no longer a kid, he is mature enough to make decisions on his own. You have tried your best by teaching them, then you should just leave everyone to make decision.

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May 07, 2023, 10:45:47 AM
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OP do not get discouraged for the existence of people who think that way or have different opinions from yours, regardless whether they are a lecturer or not. That is part of life, we are supposed to stand for what we believe and have healthy debates in many topics that affect our life.

Here in Venezuela some years ago, most of people were also very skeptical of Bitcoin and some even said it was a bad idea to use it, that the best thing to do was to smuggle dollars under one's mattress.

Guess what happened, the crisis came and it became increasingly difficult to access to USD and other centralized assets, people turn to exchanges and Bitcoin and now it is embraced as part of the economy, in an informal way.

In the end, people that talk like that other lecturer do not know the merits of Bitcoin because he never gave it a try or because in his eyes he does not need to. Life is strange, and there is a small chance he or his family will have to buy Satoshis to overcome economical repression as we did here. Let us see what he thinks after it.

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In my opinion, mere education is not enough. There must be love or belief in the information you learn. If you only perform it as a job, then surely you will not be able to convince or influence your students.

Some people are convinced of Bitcoin, but they are afraid of violating the government, so they prefer to stay away in order to avoid problems with the government. Others, on the contrary, are not convinced of Bitcoin as an alternative and better monetary system than the current monetary system, but they only acquire Bitcoin to obtain profits.

This is a culture that differs according to the nature of each person. So you don't have to be frustrated.

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Honestly, it's hard to argue with that because we live in a world with governments. If we want to enjoy using bitcoin based on its main purpose, which is decentralization, we can't expect it to happen because government intervention would make that decentralization centralized.

The government will decide whether to regulate bitcoin or not, and if they choose not to regulate it, that means it's banned or illegal.

If you want bitcoin to exist without government interference, it won't prosper, and mass adoption won't happen, which will likely lead to its collapse. Currently, major exchanges are regulated, if not all, so it's safe to say that bitcoin is also regulated.

I agree. There is nothing wrong with what his father said, our world is still controlled and regulated by governments, and they have the sole right to decide if bitcoin is a legal currency or not. Of course, we can use bitcoin without government permission, just like investors living in some countries, bitcoin is banned, but they can still invest. Such activities are considered stealthy, illegal, and potentially punishable if detected by the authorities. As long as the world has governments, we can't think we'll be free to do whatever we want without their permission, including bitcoin.

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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.
You are wrong in this concept of yours, and the boy's father (lecturer) was correct because only the government of a nation has the right to decide what can be accepted as a general currency, of which though Bitcoin is a digital currency it's not of any nation. However, Bitcoin came as an independent global currency that could be used as a store of value and transaction, of which Although lecturers or professors still don't believe in it doesn't mean it's not legit, and used as a store and transactions from people all around the world.

So what we are to note is that;

1. Only the government of a nation has the right to decide what can be accepted as a general currency.
2. That people don't believe in Bitcoin doesn't mean it's not legit and been used as a digital asset for future store of value.

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The government has that power to decide what currency they would let the people in their nation to use. That's why not everyone can make their own currency (paper money) for others to be used as legal. Bitcoin on the other hand is different. Since you've only mentioned about the lecturer saying that the government is the only one who can decide if the currency is fit to people. I'm not sure if the lecturer is against Bitcoin or not. Cause saying that doesn't mean he's against Bitcoin, I feel like he's just telling what he know about the government and the currency. And maybe the father isn't just that knowledgeable about Bitcoin but if the father isn't against it, then I don't think it'll affect his son's interest on Bitcoin. The son can still continue learning more about Bitcoin and it's up to him to decide if he wants to enter this space or not.
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Maybe that kid’s father is working for the government and that’s the reason he is a fan of the government… We can’t exactly know his reasoning. In the end there are people that like the governments as well. Not everyone is as rebellious as the bitcoiners. Some people just want to be sheep. Baaa baa. And you know what? They are actually more than you think. They are the reason why governments and banks are still around. These people need them.

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How would you like it to be? In my opinion, it can't be otherwise.

Any system is trying to control its population and for this brainwashing through the institution of education. Lecturers, for the most part, like parrots, repeat the same material learned many years ago and often reject everything new. Therefore, it is not surprising that the lecturer believes that only the government knows what is good and what is bad for him. With age, people have less and less desire to change anything, and only young people (students) are ready to learn something new.

This is why I believe that it is necessary to tell the younger generation (students) about bitcoin and not the old one (lecturer), who are so ossified in their beliefs that they are not ready to consider alternative versions.

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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.


I am of the opinion that the lecturer who gave this opinion was not entirely wrong, because indeed the government has the authority to determine the legal currency for transactions in that country. The authority of the government in each of these countries absolutely must be carried out by every community, but even though these rules are absolute, it does not mean that people cannot invest in Bitcoin. If you only invest in bitcoin, that's fine, as long as there are no rules that absolutely prohibit bitcoin. I think most governments have made currency from scratch and made the currency legal to be used as a transaction tool. So the conclusion is clear, that indeed the government has the authority for this matter, and this authority is absolute. And don't let it become an obstacle for your students to start investing in bitcoin, because these rules have no effect on bitcoin, because bitcoin is universal and is a very valuable asset.

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