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I don't see any positive thing about Bitcoin having a higher transaction fee, it's not encouraging for business owners too, only miners and long-term holders will benefit but business owners will have to take a different route from now on.
Using Bitcoin as a means of payment was part of the reasons why it existed but now Ordinals is making it look like a joke, Ordinals need to go or there will be consequences. If this continues it means that Bitcoin have failed at being an electronic payment solution.
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May 10, 2023, 06:20:22 PM |
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It's actually true, so high transaction fees will really push someone to hold coins while fees cool down, this is good at some point, especially for those who have coins divided on different addresses but I don't think that this process has more pros than cons. It may push a lot of people to hold but stuck transactions kill bitcoin adoption and popularity. For me, Bitcoin is not only an investment but a way to pay without 3rd parties. Holding alone won't increase its value if it becomes unable to transfer coins, it gets pricey and popular because it offers p2p transactions and is only one truly decentralized platform.
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May 10, 2023, 07:47:40 PM |
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I can't understand how it could be convenient to have high fees, what advantage could it bring to Bitcoin? Let's remember that it was also created to break down the rottenness of commissions and that it is currently favoring the poorest and most oppressed countries by governments, so how can high FEEs bring quality? I think your reasoning is quite wrong, as are these fees.
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May 10, 2023, 08:40:55 PM |
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It's actually true, so high transaction fees will really push someone to hold coins while fees cool down, this is good at some point, especially for those who have coins divided on different addresses but I don't think that this process has more pros than cons. It may push a lot of people to hold but stuck transactions kill bitcoin adoption and popularity. For me, Bitcoin is not only an investment but a way to pay without 3rd parties. Holding alone won't increase its value if it becomes unable to transfer coins, it gets pricey and popular because it offers p2p transactions and is only one truly decentralized platform.
Bitcoin is first a currency to be used for transactions as an alternative to the fiat system than as an investment. Having higher transaction fee doesn’t make one a strong holder because some keen to hold for long will certainly hold on to it even if the transaction fee is a sat. But currently with the high transaction fee you just hold on to it without the compulsion to hold rather was just because of the situation. This has made payment through bitcoin such a hard thing for small businesses which is part of the purpose for it.
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May 10, 2023, 09:00:12 PM |
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@OP, don't sound like the high transaction cost on bitcoin network is a good thing, I don't know about other people's opinions, but for me, I think it does more harm than good to the adoption of bitcoin, the high transaction cost is something I would advice bitcoin developers to look into, and see what can be done to remedy the situation once and for all, but unfortunately, I don't think anything can be done since the chain can't be uttered.
For the investors, the high transaction cost might not seem like a big problem, but for those who pay for goods and service with Bitcoin, it's a major concern.
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May 10, 2023, 09:06:37 PM |
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@OP, don't sound like the high transaction cost on bitcoin network is a good thing, I don't know about other people's opinions, but for me, I think it does more harm than good to the adoption of bitcoin, the high transaction cost is something I would advice bitcoin developers to look into, and see what can be done to remedy the situation once and for all, but unfortunately, I don't think anything can be done since the chain can't be uttered.
For the investors, the high transaction cost might not seem like a big problem, but for those who pay for goods and service with Bitcoin, it's a major concern.
I think it's a concern for now, who wouldn't? we haven't seen this high cost of transaction since 2017. But the problem is not really bitcoin, but those who fine some weaknesses and then created their own NFT with those BRC-20 tokens, minting and everything that why the network is clogged. Nevertheless, if we see the fees right now, it has subside a bit, and the volume of BRC-20 is not as it used to be during the height of it's hype. So sooner or later I think it will just die down and we can transfer back like 1 sat/vByte again.
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May 10, 2023, 09:30:04 PM |
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This is one wonderful opportunity to actually hold BTC as you, OP has rightly mentioned. Though this period of high transaction fees is going to last as short as possible. It is due to the issues of ordinals and BRC-20 token congesting the network. The development teams are on the issue to work out a fitting solution. The best move right now, unless you mine yours and for those who don't have much coins or for those who merely leisure trade at will, or for those who own BTC for purchases or trades on the instant; hold as long as possible for now if you can, but if you can't please, it is better to have a successful transaction completed than to have failed or wrong address issues because of impatience.
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May 10, 2023, 10:31:14 PM |
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I don't see TX fees this high as an advantage or a positive, BTC is a 'free' currency that should be used anyhow the owner wants it. You can hold it for the long term even if TX fees are normal, you don't need high TX fees to do that, but when TX fees are this high you hinder and restrict people who want to spend BTC like a currency that it is, and restricting people from using BTC as a currency is a very big problem. BTC is not only an investment option, and your post makes it feel as if it is only good for that.
although it makes sense to hold BTC as it is another form of store value, bitcoin is initially made to be means to pay for transaction, and if transactions are not made, I agree about you saying that it will hinder the whole ecosystem as what it was designed. as of now it is still not yet healthy for those who are not transferring big amount of money to do transactions since aside from it will only add to the network congestion which makes the transaction pending for several days, people would also be mad if their transaction have high fees even if their process is only a little amount right? the only thing we can do as of now is to be patient and wait for the solution although we knew it will only be temporary but at least it is usable.
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May 10, 2023, 10:43:30 PM |
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It is passively holding your bitcoins, not proactively. You are forced to hold your bitcoins because you don't want to waste too many satoshis for transaction fees. If you don't proactively do holding it, you will return to not holding it when mempools are clearer and network has cheaper transaction fees.
You are not wrong, but passively holding bitcoins due to the high transaction fee can turn someone with a habit of not hodling bitcoins at all into someone who begins to do it proactively if the period where they are forced to hold is long enough (Long enough means different durations. For some people long enough may just be two weeks, while the standard twenty one days to form a habit for others, and longer for others too)This period will definitely give people a time to pause and rethink how much they have not really been hodling bitcoins. It will give them some time to catch up with themselves for those that making withdrawals have become something of an impulse to them.
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May 10, 2023, 10:48:04 PM |
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As we all know lately, lots of people are transacting BTC and causing traffic jams because of the many queues for BTC transactions, and BTC transaction fees are expensive if you want to be fast.
And I, as a btc investor who is still a beginner, in my opinion, with expensive btc transaction fees, I see this as a positive thing because I have the following reasons.
1: having expensive btc transaction fees makes me stronger to hold on to btc because I don't want to waste my money on expensive transaction fees.
2: my goal of investing in btc is for a long term investment so with expensive transaction fees makes me stronger holding btc, because my goal is to invest in btc for the long term.
i want to hear your opinion,,, and are you freaking out about the high btc transaction fees...?
but in my opinion if transacting btc it would be better to use a cheap transaction method.
You arent a true holder if you are just basing up with high tx fee which would prohibit you on spending up your coins, because a true holder is someone who do able to hold up his coins no matter how small or big the tx fee would be. Its not a solid indication or thing on which you would be saying to yourself as a strong holder just because you cant make out some transactions because fees are too high. Sooner or later when network congestion or traffic would come back to normal then what would you do? Are you coming back on making some btc transactions once again because tx fee is already cheap now? Imho, its not really a solid thing for you to mind on because its never been that an indication that you should hold because of that reasoning. If you are really that going for long term with Bitcoin then you wont really be seeing these things as a viable reason. Now, i could say that it did really pending out some of my important transactions but it didnt mean that it is a thing that would discourage me on accumulating even more.
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May 10, 2023, 11:00:11 PM |
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1: having expensive btc transaction fees makes me stronger to hold on to btc because I don't want to waste my money on expensive transaction fees.
That's is to say if the fee gets to normal you won't have good reason of hodling. Now that the fee is high I don't think you are hodling but waiting for it to come to normal price. If you have been hodling the high transaction fee shouldn't be a reason to make you stronger. What is suppose to make you to be stronger to hodl should be because you believe in bitcoin and because you know what you want from bitcoin.
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May 10, 2023, 11:18:28 PM |
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Those who use bitcoin for payments and transfers aren’t intimidated by high fees. They use layer-2 protocols like Lightning Network.
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May 10, 2023, 11:22:24 PM |
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i want to hear your opinion,,, and are you freaking out about the high btc transaction fees...?
Nope. Why should I be freaking out just because of the fees? I know that it's truly expensive and far from what we've used to see but this isn't going to make me freak out. A sudden fall is more likely to freak out most of us but then, with this situation, it's just making us get used to it and adopt and decide whether we want to transact or not. but in my opinion if transacting btc it would be better to use a cheap transaction method.
Yes, always choose the cheapest fee. If it's possible to transact with 1 sat/byte before, we might see that happen again when there's no more clogging in the network. But for the meanwhile, we have to add some sats on it and if you've got an urgent transaction needed to happen then just do what's the priority amount is telling you.
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May 10, 2023, 11:31:35 PM |
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1: having expensive btc transaction fees makes me stronger to hold on to btc because I don't want to waste my money on expensive transaction fees.
That's is to say if the fee gets to normal you won't have good reason of hodling. Now that the fee is high I don't think you are hodling but waiting for it to come to normal price. If you have been hodling the high transaction fee shouldn't be a reason to make you stronger. What is suppose to make you to be stronger to hodl should be because you believe in bitcoin and because you know what you want from bitcoin. The increasing transaction fee is a reason for me to postpone my transaction to cash out bitcoin. I tried with a small fee and the transaction hadn't got confirmed. Bumped the fee little, even after that the transaction hadn't got confirmed. I decided to cancel the transaction, it shows the possibility of double spending. So, I've left the transaction as it is to get confirmed when the transaction fee gets reduced. For now it is two days passed and still waiting for confirmation.
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May 10, 2023, 11:59:51 PM |
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Those that are complaining about the high transaction rate of bitcoin especially are the investors that want to send their bitcoin assets from their wallets to an exchange so that they can be able to sell their bitcoin for fiat(solving a personal issue that involves money) or invest in altcoins, now that the price of many has reduced tremendously due to the effect of the bearish market.
Now in question, I have an urgent need for money to solve a personal issue. I want to sell a little of my bitcoin assets to have some fiat but the thought of how much been charged for sending a small portion of my bitcoin asset to an exchange is getting me discourage
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May 11, 2023, 12:25:29 AM |
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with the high transaction fees btc makes me stronger to hold btc but in my opinion if transacting btc it would be better to use a cheap transaction method.
It does make you strong because high fees are preventing you to do small transactions lol. You said you're a long term investor and it looks like you mean high transaction fees are perfectly fine for you because you are a long term holder? well, this high transaction fee is an attack towards Bitcoin network to prevent the mediocre investors from doing micro transactions. This means BTC might go down because of higher transaction fees. If it's prolonged, do you think you'll get enough profit out of your long term holding? To be completely honest, I don't see anything positive about this high transaction fees. Your last opinion is correct. With low transaction fees, it'll allow small investors who has been DCAing and those who's gradually accumulating bi-monthly or monthly to buy BTC regularly and this is one of the reason for BTC to increase it's value.
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May 11, 2023, 12:29:41 AM |
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with the high transaction fees btc makes me stronger to hold btc but in my opinion if transacting btc it would be better to use a cheap transaction method.
It does make you strong because high fees are preventing you to do small transactions lol. You said you're a long term investor and it looks like you mean high transaction fees are perfectly fine for you because you are a long term holder? well, this high transaction fee is an attack towards Bitcoin network to prevent the mediocre investors from doing micro transactions. This means BTC might go down because of higher transaction fees. If it's prolonged, do you think you'll get enough profit out of your long term holding? To be completely honest, I don't see anything positive about this high transaction fees. Your last opinion is correct. With low transaction fees, it'll allow small investors who has been DCAing and those who's gradually accumulating bi-monthly or monthly to buy BTC regularly and this is one of the reason for BTC to increase it's value. And we still don't know how long this bad actors are going to attack and spam the network, but there are talks about how to resolved this but we will have to wait for the final consensus. It's that when we are in a bull run and the price is still that high, then it could still be bothersome for most of us. But we will see, long term holders are not affected by it, but for some average joe who sometimes need to sell, it might lead us to just really hold on it and make ways to really not to sell right now because of the high fees. But the good news is that the fees are somewhat manageable right now, as compare to like a couple of days wherein it went as high as 500 sat/vByte if I'm not mistaken.
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Sarah Azhari
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May 11, 2023, 01:33:06 AM |
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i want to hear your opinion,,, and are you freaking out about the high btc transaction fees...?
Your goal seems interesting to watch, but until when?. Because when it's running normally, people will change their minds, and do the same as other people did. You have to be absolutely sure about your investment. Sometimes, with the high transaction fee like today, that make people hold the transaction until normal, they're just trying to cool off and make the short decision to plan to hold BTC for a long time, In fact, is not as a plan. The fee is going to normal, it's about 15 - 20 sat/vb. if anyone freaking out yesterday, I am really sure gradually calmed down today, and hope not change for long to be short investment
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Stella Mese
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May 11, 2023, 01:50:10 AM |
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I don't think bitcoin's high transaction fees will be a barrier for people investing long term, and I actually don't understand what you mean, do you want to sell your btc? but with the existence of expensive transaction fees you are forced to endure it, or what?
But your decision to hold BTC for the long term, in my opinion, is a good thing because I really think investing in BTC will be better for the long term.
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May 11, 2023, 01:57:40 AM |
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That's not the point. Are you not going to hodl if the transactions fees are low? As for me, I think I will remain to be a hodler despite the transactions fees. So regardless if the fees are high or low, I will hodl. Avoiding high fees is for me a weak reason for somebody to hodl his Bitcoin.
And the expensive fees right now are not just because lots of people are transacting with Bitcoin or the queue is long. It is because many are willing to pay expensive fees for whatever boring images they want to attach in their transactions.
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