Another betting fraud in Brazil - part 2

[uneng]

When players or teams are weaker ones or they don't recognize any ethics - they prefer this route. They fix match results. They sometimes determine outcome of many things like scoring 2 goals at the start of game etc. I feel very sad about Brazilian football watchers and fans. When there are huge allegations about this kind of match fixing scandal, I directly lose my energy, motivation. It makes you feel like watching football is nothing important.

But the thing is they should practice integrity, whether they are famous or not they should learn that, that is what team should learn along the road. Games will be non sense and no thrill at all if most of team fixing their matches. It happens twice I think Brazil football federation or any Organization related to this should take an action and they should implement the law more efficiently.

They should, but since they aren't forced to, unfortunatelly their free will points to the shady way of earning easy money by deceiving and betraying the audience, the fans, the sport and their own profession. They show no love, passion or care for the sport they are playing and put money above everything in the world, as their final goal.

I think from now on, athletes will have to pass an 'ethics test' or 'psychological test' before being recruited by teams and leagues, so their personality can be analyzed by professionals beforehand in order to prevent future issues.

[Aikidoka]

It's a shame to hear that a fixed game occurred in a famous division like Brazil's league. I would expect such incidents to happen in lower divisions or third-world countries, but to have it happen in the A and B series of Brazil's league is quite surprising. Such stuffs like that destroy the fairness of the game and undermine its normal rules.

IMO every football game should now be equipped with VAR to check any incidents that may occur between players, referees, and even coaches in order to avoid any cheating or unfair play. I hope that we won't see anything like that again in the Brazilian football league as I am a fan of that league and really enjoy watching it from time to time.

[alastantiger]

Now they have discovered yet another big sports betting fraud scheme in Brazil, it's like the part 2 
The repercussion in Brazil is such that CBF has already asked the Federal Police to investigate.
So far there are 16 defendants involving players from the A and B series of the Brazilian championship.
Including the most notable so far is the Santos player Eduardo Bauermann, who has already been removed from the team and will probably be fired.

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

[Cling18]

It's a shame to hear that a fixed game occurred in a famous division like Brazil's league. I would expect such incidents to happen in lower divisions or third-world countries, but to have it happen in the A and B series of Brazil's league is quite surprising. Such stuffs like that destroy the fairness of the game and undermine its normal rules.

IMO every football game should now be equipped with VAR to check any incidents that may occur between players, referees, and even coaches in order to avoid any cheating or unfair play. I hope that we won't see anything like that again in the Brazilian football league as I am a fan of that league and really enjoy watching it from time to time.

It is quite sad to see that some athletes are willing to compromise their abilities and reputation for financial gain. Even though they might not be making enough money from their chosen sport, tampering with the rules would have a long-term negative impact on their reputations since supporters might never trust them again. They might pass up other chances in the future.
If other teams commit this fraudulence, the league organization needs to act quickly to correct the situation because failing to do so could destroy the country's football business in the coming days. Although I hope that this occurrence won't occur again, I'm sure that other players would still try if they were promised a large sum of money.

[smyslov]

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

I agree every country has its own gambling lords and organized mafias to control gambling betting through game fixing, these mafias have contacts and money to lure top players and even officials to connive and fix the matches, this betting fraud in Brazil game fixing has their version in many countries, they are not yet exposed but it really is happening, many sports commissions are aware of game fixing but the mafias have control on some media for it not to leak.
Every country has its own watchdog but sometimes the watchdogs are on the payroll of these mafias.

[Zlantann]

Some even considered paralyzing the Brazilian championship, but this has already been ruled out by CBF, which is working together with FIFA to investigate more efficiently.

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

It is a big shame for this kind of scam to happen in a football nation like Brazil. When compared to other leagues in some European and other American countries Brazil has a well-organised league. Some of their players are well-payed. This match-fixing can destroy the beautiful game of football and make fans lose confidence in the game. Some gamblers will now doubt the transparency and reputation of the game of football and it might affect the revenue of gambling firms.

This act can also be caused by poverty and greed. Apart from clubs like Flamengo, Palmeiras, Atlético Mineiro, and others, most clubs pay their players poorly. This might lure them to engage in this criminal activity, making them receive as low as $10,000 to cause penalties or get booked. This money is just a stipends for players in some clubs in Europe. Poor earnings should not be a genuine justification for committing a crime. Their earning might also be enough to take care of their basic needs but some of them are driven by greed. They want to live above their means.

[pawanjain]

Match fixing in soccer ? It's the first time I am hearing that because from what I knew, soccer players already get paid enough and so they don't require match fixing.
I have heard about match fixing in all other games but not in soccer. Everyone involved in these match fixing should be punished.
In my country there were few cricketers involved in match fixing and got caught and were banned from playing cricket again.
Their sports career came to an end and similar punishment should be given to those soccer players involved in match fixing.

If you're really serious then you really are like a kid in this story. It's not a strange thing, it's almost a reality in places where football doesn't have too much influence. The larger the event, the higher the price to pay for match-fixing, so it is easier for national football leagues to be settled. It's not strange to me, I've seen a whole team get banned because of this 

May be because soccer/football is not so popular in my country which is why I haven't heard of match fixing in here.
I mostly watch FIFA and other leagues and I think the players are already paid enough and hence no match fixing allegations are against them.

[rdluffy]

Every day there is news about the fraud, and as I suspected, it is bigger than we think

In the story below for example (in the link), the players placed a multiple bet of 175 BRL and won 43,000 BRL
In just one weekend they spent 260,00 BRL on bribes, won 730,000, so the profit was 470,000 BRL.

Source HERE

I can't answer everyone because there are too many messages, but I can say that players, even in Brazil, earn VERY well and have no need for bribes
--> Most players earn much more in one month of salary than the bribe they received.
--> Another thing is that it was not only in minor leagues, or the B series, players from big teams are also involved.

Here is some pics of two bets:

[qwertyup23]

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

I agree every country has its own gambling lords and organized mafias to control gambling betting through game fixing, these mafias have contacts and money to lure top players and even officials to connive and fix the matches, this betting fraud in Brazil game fixing has their version in many countries, they are not yet exposed but it really is happening, many sports commissions are aware of game fixing but the mafias have control on some media for it not to leak.
Every country has its own watchdog but sometimes the watchdogs are on the payroll of these mafias.

These are the kinds of problems that the government must deal with. This is outside the scope of any normal person to overcome as these cartels are definitely powerful and dangerous. Since they control majority of these platforms, they can manipulate the outcome to their liking, thereby making gambling a business venture on their end.

Unfortunately for us normal individuals, we really cannot do anything about it but to avoid engaging into their controlled casino. The more a person fights or attempts to show restraint, the more risk you put on your own life with it.

[slapper]

It's a shame to hear that a fixed game occurred in a famous division like Brazil's league. I would expect such incidents to happen in lower divisions or third-world countries, but to have it happen in the A and B series of Brazil's league is quite surprising. Such stuffs like that destroy the fairness of the game and undermine its normal rules.

IMO every football game should now be equipped with VAR to check any incidents that may occur between players, referees, and even coaches in order to avoid any cheating or unfair play. I hope that we won't see anything like that again in the Brazilian football league as I am a fan of that league and really enjoy watching it from time to time.

Something fishy going on in Brazil's top flight? It's like eating your favorite dessert laced with artificial sugar; disappointing, right? But don't assume the problem is exclusive to the lower classes or developing nations. Cheating? It's even in the major leagues, so it's clearly widespread. The ability to intercept sneaky fouls and questionable handballs are two of the benefits. But keep in mind that video review can often be a downer. Consider this: the celebration of a successful goal is interrupted by a highly technical assessment. Like a pizza delivery that never arrives! Justice is served by VAR, but it eliminates the human element and the passionate arguments about referees' calls. Let's find the sweet spot where technology meets common sense. Passion, excitement, and a dash of mayhem best describe football

[o48o]

I totally understand why would it happen. Easy money for everyone involved. And i am pretty sure that they thought their circle was air tight. If no one admits anything no one can be charged. Problems however start to arise when people get greedy and more people needs to shut up. At some point someone will spill out something to their friends etc, like a good tip for a sure bet. And those people can speak when they are celebrating. This is why real conspiracies / frauds only have few people involved.

The more people involved or included on the circle the more risky it would be to be spilled out or to leak out and this is where it would really be busted and it is really just right that those who are involved should really be banned,get fired, impose huge violation fees or whatsoever which it is really just that right basing on what they had just did. In speaking about match fixing or players getting bribed or whatsoever then
it isnt really that new or shocking news. We've see several in previous years and there's no way that it could be completely stopped on upcoming years to come.
Good thing that this one had been caught up because if not then lots of honest bettors or even bookies itself would be fucked up hard just because the game
is just been rigged up. Not shocking or something new but its very unethical but for the sake of money then nothing surprises us anymore.

Yeah, while i understand the motive, even if we set ethical issues aside i don't understand the reasoning behind it. I mean risk reward ratio just ain't worth it imho. I am assuming that sanctions would be kicked out and not being able to continue their career professionally. And having the audacity to think they are so smart that they wouldn't get caught is just mind blowing. I am assuming that these things are happening a lot if they really thought that no one would even look any possible irregularities twice.

[ChuckBuck]

May be because soccer/football is not so popular in my country which is why I haven't heard of match fixing in here.
I mostly watch FIFA and other leagues and I think the players are already paid enough and hence no match fixing allegations are against them.

In fact, it's really great, isn't it? when everything is really fair. There is nothing better than being able to watch an exciting tournament without any manipulation. Match-fixing is one of the worst, it's worse than stealing. It causes a huge consequence just in exchange for favorable outcomes for the bettor 

[rahmad2nd]

~snip~

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

In the past, I often bet on the Brazilian league. some of the clubs mentioned in this thread are quite familiar to me like Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Santos. To be honest, I am wondering whether practices like this have been around for a long time. because, there are many oddities when I watch Brazilian League matches. referring to the link that the OP shared, it seems that online gambling makes it easier for the persons involved to carry out practices with various motives.

here I agree, that it is very important to punish all those who are involved and responsible, especially those involved in organizing. my guess is, there are some people in the federation who deliberately allow practices like this. I am not accusing, but referring to what has happened in my country. So, there has to be a major change if you want to eliminate practices like what you describe in this thread. whatever the type, whether it's match fixing, or other modes. well, involving FIFA and the central government is the right step to carry out a massive cleanup.

[Casdinyard]

Seems like the Brazilian Soccer scene is going towards the shitter day by day. Never heard of a league getting outted for two different cases of fixing until them. Personally speaking, suspension of the players l, as well as having the whole Brazil barred from playing in the world cup for one run is an enough punishment to scare them from doing something like this again. Brazil is a very tough country to govern, with all the crime and other forms of illegal activity happening in the country every minute. It only males sense to give these people a much harsher punishment cause it is quite possible considering the country’s nature (and I don’t mean this in any form of racism) is that they’re hard as hell, and therefore even harder to control and provide punishments too cause they’d just laugh it off.

[tusandii]

It is possible that you are right in saying that they do not get enough salary or benefits so that they dare to risk their careers to participate in sports betting scams.

I would like to add they do not have a real love for the sport, because if they do they will not let these things happen, and only a big syndicate can do this, both the syndicate and the players made money they made the public believe that they are doing their best and they deserve the trust of the public.

The commission should do everything to eradicate corruption and to regain the trust of the public again, even to the extent of putting the best players of the league in jail and banning all those responsible to game fixing.
Of all the things the general sports public confidence is very important, you lose the trust of the public and that could be the end of sports in that country.

They no longer care about the sport that has brought them a name and popularity as players because all they think about is profit by participating in betting fraud.
Anyone who is only concerned with money is willing to do illegal things even though the risk can be in trouble with the law and lose public trust.
It should be known that people like this, even though they get punished, there will never be a sense of deterrence and one day when they are free they will still do these forbidden things.

Even though certain actions have been taken to gain public trust, if a trust has been lost and damaged, it will be very difficult to restore it to its original state.
The only thing that can be done is slowly making changes and eradicating all cases of fraud in sports betting as stated by the OP.

[wheelz1200]

This is never going to end.  I'm sure this is just one of many that happen every week.  When gambling on this you need to take that into consideration.  And the lower the stakes or league the better chance.  When players make low salaries for a particular sport they are more influenced to throw the game.  Same with the refs or umps.  Just part of the gig.  This isn't that surprising.

[Webetcoins]

Most people are saying that this is because the teams pay less to the players and that is what leads them to take a bribe but that is not actually what it is, even if they are paid enough, they will still do this since it's human nature to keep wanting more no matter how much one has already got, and I'm sure they are paid enough not to sell their souls and the reputation of their country.

A person, no matter what part of the world they belong to, should have some respect for their country and should always try to keep its dignity intact, but nowadays, sportsmen don't really care about all this and they sell their country's dignity for some money.

[retreat]

-snip-

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

It seems that match-fixing and football are two things that cannot be separated. No matter how football regulators arrange this, it seems that it will be quite difficult for them, considering that many entities in football need money, for example players who accept bribes so they can lose, referees are controlled, and many other cases. This is a problem that most often occurs in the football industry in any country and the case that occurred in Brazil is only the tip of the iceberg from the squalid nature of the football industry.

[slapper]

~snip~

It is absurd that this kind of scam still happens because it harms almost everyone: the bookmakers that have no way to predict this attitude and lose money, the teams, the fans, and even us honest betters who analyze to make a bet. It is a time of great expansion for bookmakers in Brazil, it is very important that all those responsible are punished so that the industry can continue to grow and prosper honestly.

In the past, I often bet on the Brazilian league. some of the clubs mentioned in this thread are quite familiar to me like Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Santos. To be honest, I am wondering whether practices like this have been around for a long time. because, there are many oddities when I watch Brazilian League matches. referring to the link that the OP shared, it seems that online gambling makes it easier for the persons involved to carry out practices with various motives.

here I agree, that it is very important to punish all those who are involved and responsible, especially those involved in organizing. my guess is, there are some people in the federation who deliberately allow practices like this. I am not accusing, but referring to what has happened in my country. So, there has to be a major change if you want to eliminate practices like what you describe in this thread. whatever the type, whether it's match fixing, or other modes. well, involving FIFA and the central government is the right step to carry out a massive cleanup.

Is the Brazilian League causing you concern? You guys got me completely. Corruption? Match-fixing? Major challenges. Additionally, online gambling may be a breeding ground for such problems. Let us be clear, though; the Federation is not entirely devoid of good people.

Let's use our brains instead of our fingertips. We require stringent regulations, vigilant oversight, and ethics education. The guilty should be punished, but we should also take preventative measures.

The government of FIFA? Need to get involved immediately! They can aid in cleaning up and putting things in order. For the sake of the players and the fans, let's band together and restore the Brazilian League to its former glory. That sums it up nicely!

[darewaller]

It will be very difficult to fight the "cartels" involved in match fixing. Unfortunately, this is not just a Brazilian problem, it is a global problem from Asia to Europe to South America it is rampant. There may even be international rings involved in this. For example despite gambling being illegal in India, there are still reported cases of match fixing that occurs in cricket. A great solution to this is that sports budget should be increased so that players in smaller leagues would get better renumeration.

I agree every country has its own gambling lords and organized mafias to control gambling betting through game fixing, these mafias have contacts and money to lure top players and even officials to connive and fix the matches, this betting fraud in Brazil game fixing has their version in many countries, they are not yet exposed but it really is happening, many sports commissions are aware of game fixing but the mafias have control on some media for it not to leak.
Every country has its own watchdog but sometimes the watchdogs are on the payroll of these mafias.

That is what I am going to say, mafias. This is why people are just being silent and continue like there is nothing strange that happened because they are also worrying about their safety. They know what can happen to them once they report and fight these illegalities happening in sports betting. Despite of that, they still came up with a different version.

This is for others who are not aware yet and will not be able to identify the shady things going around. With the mafias controlling the media, they can edit or not include the footage where an obvious fixing have surfaced. This is why we think all games that we saw in our screens looks pretty normal.