Another betting fraud in Brazil - part 2

[Webetcoins]

These are the kinds of problems that the government must deal with. This is outside the scope of any normal person to overcome as these cartels are definitely powerful and dangerous. Since they control majority of these platforms, they can manipulate the outcome to their liking, thereby making gambling a business venture on their end.

Unfortunately for us normal individuals, we really cannot do anything about it but to avoid engaging into their controlled casino. The more a person fights or attempts to show restraint, the more risk you put on your own life with it.

I don't think that even the authorities have much of an option to find a suspect, except they can keep an eye on every single betting platform and sportsbook operating within the country and look for any usual activity and then track them down with the help of the platforms they are using for all these activities and that might lead them to something.

But if the platforms are themselves involved and participating in all this, they will need to close them down as well and if they can't control this or find the suspects, they should probably ban all the betting platforms since that is the only option that remains.

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[Casdinyard]

These are the kinds of problems that the government must deal with. This is outside the scope of any normal person to overcome as these cartels are definitely powerful and dangerous. Since they control majority of these platforms, they can manipulate the outcome to their liking, thereby making gambling a business venture on their end.

Unfortunately for us normal individuals, we really cannot do anything about it but to avoid engaging into their controlled casino. The more a person fights or attempts to show restraint, the more risk you put on your own life with it.

I don't think that even the authorities have much of an option to find a suspect, except they can keep an eye on every single betting platform and sportsbook operating within the country and look for any usual activity and then track them down with the help of the platforms they are using for all these activities and that might lead them to something.

But if the platforms are themselves involved and participating in all this, they will need to close them down as well and if they can't control this or find the suspects, they should probably ban all the betting platforms since that is the only option that remains.

I don’t think the betting platforms are to be blamed at this. For instance. They have no control over who wins and loses, let alone be provided control through fixing matches. This isn’t Peaky Blinders. This is real life and with a game as massive and as prestigious as the literal game that will decide which team will represent Brazil in the world cup, for sure crackdowns against betting platforms and bookies who want to take advantage by fixing matches towards their favor. Pretty sure the very same parameters and security contingencies that allowed the Brazilian Football Authority to find and disable this operation are just a taste of what’s to come.  

[rdluffy]

...Since they control majority of these platforms, they can manipulate the outcome to their liking, thereby making gambling a business venture on their end.
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But if the platforms are themselves involved and participating in all this, they will need to close them down as well and if they can't control this or find the suspects, they should probably ban all the betting platforms since that is the only option that remains.

I believe that in this case the betting platforms are probably the biggest victims we are talking about, along with the clubs
The platforms work with mathematical odds, and have a good estimate of how many bets will win or not.
When some people, or in this case several people, place bets that already know the outcome because they have direct influence, it would be like a loss for the companies.
Look at the case where they bet 175 BRL and won 43,000 BRL, I did a brief calculation here and the odds would be 245
Honestly speaking, how many of us make bets of 245 odds?

The people who placed the bets still made some of these "strange" bets and lost on purpose, supposedly so as not to attract attention, or to flag the account

[slapper]

This is very unexpected! Another Brazilian sports betting scam? They seem to have an insatiable appetite for controversies. Fantastic job! The ramifications ought to be enormous. I mean, the CBF requesting a probe from the Federal Police. This is serious business, folks! Clap slowly

Take a look at these 16 accused, all of whom are Brazilian championship-level athletes competing in either the A or B series. Surely they believed themselves to be the master manipulators! Unfortunately, they have been caught. Especially unfortunate is Eduardo Bauermann, who Santos fired. Ouch!

It's unbelievable that con artists keep getting away with it. Why can't we just have a good, honest game? But who wants stability anyway? Let's make the bookies lose money left and right to keep them on their toes. And don't forget about us, the honest betters, who study the games day in and day out only to be left baffled.

How ironic! We need to make sure that justice is administered in Brazil during this period of rapid growth for bookies. For the sake of the development and success of the industry, those responsible must be punished. The elegant dance of retribution can now commence.

[jakelyson]

I am not surprised, because such will happen where there is less payment for the players, In my country players are been paid higher fee to lose a match that's why I am not surprised, it's better to focus on popular league matches like Seria A and La Liga.

But seriously, something like this can be going on in the background too, how will anyone know that big leagues are clean of bribing too? There is no way you will know, but the only thing that makes me believe that bigger leagues are safer is because they are well-paid.

Higher payments get rid of bad intentions and bribery in sports.

It will probably lessen the likelihood of players getting involved but I do not think it will totally solve the problem. This kind of problem has been going around for a long time already and it can affect all kinds of sports whether it is small league or not. As long as there is gambling in any sport, gamblers will try to do this. I think it is the responsibility of the league to spot immediately if any of the players or teams are involved in any manipulation of the games. They cannot stop casinos from operating so they cannot stop malicious entities to try to manipulate the games. All they can do is try to spot any manipulation immediately and punish anyone involved heavily. Hopefully, it will be enough deterrent to keep the manipulation to a minimum.

[rdluffy]

After a few days, several things have happened, and I will try to summarize:

The Superior Court of Sports Justice of Brazil has already started punishing the investigated, and the player Romário from the Vila Nova team has been banned (forever) from soccer, and will still have to pay a fine of 25,000 BRL. The other player Gabriel Domingos has been suspended for 720 days and will have to pay 15,000 brl fine.

I thought it was a good attitude to ban the player from soccer because it can be an example for future players who think of cheating the system.

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So far, there are 16 people in total indicted for involvement in 13 matches in total and 8 of these people are players
I suspect they may find more as time goes on, the justice in investigating at least 20 matches.


And more relevant news, even a Brazilian player playing in MLS (United States) for the Colorado Rapids has been suspended by the club for suspected cheating in an MLS game
The suspicion is that he was paid 12,000 USD to receive a yellow card in a match against the Los Angeles Galaxy
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And finally, I believe that if all federations investigate, they will surely find a lot of fraud in many countries, including the European leagues.

[Taskford]

I am not surprised, because such will happen where there is less payment for the players, In my country players are been paid higher fee to lose a match that's why I am not surprised, it's better to focus on popular league matches like Seria A and La Liga.

But seriously, something like this can be going on in the background too, how will anyone know that big leagues are clean of bribing too? There is no way you will know, but the only thing that makes me believe that bigger leagues are safer is because they are well-paid.

Higher payments get rid of bad intentions and bribery in sports.

It will probably lessen the likelihood of players getting involved but I do not think it will totally solve the problem. This kind of problem has been going around for a long time already and it can affect all kinds of sports whether it is small league or not. As long as there is gambling in any sport, gamblers will try to do this. I think it is the responsibility of the league to spot immediately if any of the players or teams are involved in any manipulation of the games. They cannot stop casinos from operating so they cannot stop malicious entities to try to manipulate the games. All they can do is try to spot any manipulation immediately and punish anyone involved heavily. Hopefully, it will be enough deterrent to keep the manipulation to a minimum.

Oh well on big leagues especially when their sports is so famous match fixing is lessen since its easy to spot those incident nowadays. All have camera and anyone can upload the footage anytime they want that's why some of those doings got easily busted by people and officials working on the league. Maybe the best thing they could do if they want to eliminate this match fixing or any manipulation happening they should more higher fines or even players or team involve will get blacklisted on the league for sure many will afraid to do this action and they can make sure betting will be fair with that.

[wiss19]

Oh well on big leagues especially when their sports is so famous match fixing is lessen since its easy to spot those incident nowadays. All have camera and anyone can upload the footage anytime they want that's why some of those doings got easily busted by people and officials working on the league. Maybe the best thing they could do if they want to eliminate this match fixing or any manipulation happening they should more higher fines or even players or team involve will get blacklisted on the league for sure many will afraid to do this action and they can make sure betting will be fair with that.

It might be easy to identify an action that is done as a result of a match of spot-fixing if it's done in a clear manner which shows the player has done something unusual, but there are also players who even do cheating but they do it in a way that they get away undetected and even the officials can't suspect them of being cheaters.

And about bans and fines, I think authorities are pretty strict with that these days, as said by OP in his post above, they can even ban players for life from soccer and also fine them for what they did, fines might not be an issue but a ban for a lifetime will surely make every player scared.

[rdluffy]

Oh well on big leagues especially when their sports is so famous match fixing is lessen since its easy to spot those incident nowadays. All have camera and anyone can upload the footage anytime they want that's why some of those doings got easily busted by people and officials working on the league. Maybe the best thing they could do if they want to eliminate this match fixing or any manipulation happening they should more higher fines or even players or team involve will get blacklisted on the league for sure many will afraid to do this action and they can make sure betting will be fair with that.

It might be easy to identify an action that is done as a result of a match of spot-fixing if it's done in a clear manner which shows the player has done something unusual, but there are also players who even do cheating but they do it in a way that they get away undetected and even the officials can't suspect them of being cheaters.

And about bans and fines, I think authorities are pretty strict with that these days, as said by OP in his post above, they can even ban players for life from soccer and also fine them for what they did, fines might not be an issue but a ban for a lifetime will surely make every player scared.

I'll quote you both to answer
@Taskford, I believe that when players try to cheat the game with the result, it is a little easier to detect the cheating
But in the case of most of the matches they are investigating, the bettors tried to "outsmart" the match and not cheat the result, but rather the actions of the players, which would be much easier, under control, and draw less attention.
The players would need to draw a foul, a penalty or even just take a yellow card.
How many times don't we see players get yellow carded for stupid reasons? Like complaining too much, swearing at the referee, taking too long to charge a lateral etc? And even in big matches, such as the World Cup or the Champions League, you can see that there are many of these attitudes.
That is why it is so difficult to detect something like this.

And I agree with the bans, to me it's the best decision, just ban the player and make the example.

Today, I found that Eduardo Bauermann from Santos, was suspended for 12 matches in total.
In this case I thought it was too little, and at the very least he could have given a one-year suspension
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