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May 14, 2023, 10:07:51 AM |
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I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
I think you can memorized your wallet seeds this way too but this method cannot be adopted permanently,because with time our mental capacity weakens.This method may be very easy for you but for all people this method is not so easy.Not all people are mentally sharp enough to remember two or three wallet seeds along with the rest of their tasks.There are a lot of risks involved in this method because if you forget a single seed, you can lose your entire wallet. According to my opinion, the seeds of your wallets should always be written on a paper and saved.Even if a seed comes out of your mind, you will not have any problem.I write down the seeds of my wallets on paper and get help from it when needed.This method is very easy for me.
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May 14, 2023, 10:32:09 AM |
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There is an excellent method for memorizing various textual information, which is shown in detail in the Sherlock Holmes series.
This method is called Mind Halls.
How can this be used to remember the seed phrase for a bitcoin wallet? You create in your imagination a virtual room in which various objects lie. Each such item corresponds to one word from the original phrase. You can periodically walk through your Mind Halls - take these objects in your hands, examine them, touch them, smell them.
As a result, in the future, you will always be able to mentally visit your Mind Halls and retrieve all the necessary information. This is the best way to remember secret information.
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May 14, 2023, 10:41:13 AM |
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Memorizing your seed phrase is not recommended, even if you have a good or average memory; do not use this method to store your seed phrase, there are many ways people think they can store their seed phrase, but the most recommended is just to write in on a paper and have two backups in different locations, many other methods are not recommended and even if they work for a short time, they cannot be reliable in the long run.
Your memory may be good, but what if you are hit with a stroke or any other brain disease; what if you get involved in an accident and sustain serious head injury which affects your memory, do not memorize your seed phrase, and don't even make it an additional backup, there are better recommended ways to do that, like engraving your seed phrase in a stainless steel as an additional backup to paper, etc.
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May 14, 2023, 11:05:11 AM |
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But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
I myself on the contrary think that memory is a perfect way to secure your assets. Seed phrase written somewhere on a piece of paper is good, of course, especially in several copies, but it also becomes vulnerable spot, because it can be lost or stolen or destroyed or even faked by someone. In contrast to this memorising your secret phrase is more reliable, because your memory a storage where no one can ever get into. If you make sure you remembered the seed phrase correctly, which is not so difficult, as you said, than you will receive a much more reliable source of storage for their assets.
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May 14, 2023, 11:55:25 AM |
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I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
I think you can memorized your wallet seeds this way too but this method cannot be adopted permanently,because with time our mental capacity weakens.This method may be very easy for you but for all people this method is not so easy.Not all people are mentally sharp enough to remember two or three wallet seeds along with the rest of their tasks.There are a lot of risks involved in this method because if you forget a single seed, you can lose your entire wallet. According to my opinion, the seeds of your wallets should always be written on a paper and saved.Even if a seed comes out of your mind, you will not have any problem.I write down the seeds of my wallets on paper and get help from it when needed.This method is very easy for me. Indeed, even with my own phone number, I am forgetful, so memorizing the seed phrase is a challenge not everyone can do. They are not too difficult to memorize, but remembering for a long time is not easy because our brains are not only used to memorize seed phrases. I see no safer and more convenient way than to write it down on paper and keep it where we think it is safest. In addition, do not forget to share it with the person we trust the most, in case we encounter unfortunate incidents.
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May 14, 2023, 02:06:02 PM |
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Good job. Not many people can memorize their seed like you and do what you did. But I am sure everyone with a bitcoin wallet will do something to protect their seed. I prefer to make a file and save it on HDD or flash disk, write the seed in the paper, and keep it in a safe place. But we can not depend on our memory for a long time because when we get old, our memory can be lost and we can not recover it. We need to make a backup for the seed so that if something happens with one thing, we still have the other things to recover the wallet.
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May 14, 2023, 02:25:15 PM |
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To be honest, I never thought of memorizing my seedphrases cause I'll eventually forgot about it when I would stop trying to remember it. Just like what happened to you. You can remember it because you recite it on your head everyday but once you stopped doing that, you'll start forgetting about it again. And I wouldn't bother to memorize it since I have quite a few wallets so it'll be hard... It's amazing that you really exert an effort trying to memorize it cause I just rely on saving it. There are things that when you memorized them, they'll stay in your memory even without thinking about it everyday. Like your phone number, birthdays, and such. They are important, and so does the seedphrase however, I don't think I still can memorize them by heart. Good for you though!
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May 14, 2023, 02:38:57 PM |
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Memorizing seed phrases can be a backup that both senses are a little difficult to sustain for the next few years, relying on memorization alone is not enough, because the human brain can forget and experience errors. I don't think this is a very good idea for me personally, especially since I don't have time to memorize it every day with complicated random words (seed phrases).
It is true that information security is very important, especially in this digital era where cybercrimes are increasing. But choosing a storage method by rote (seed phrase) I think is not feasible for me to implement. there are still many other storages that are better and of course that can be relied on.
Of course I applaud your efforts to memorize seed phrases as your second backup, not everyone is able to memorize them well and recall them.
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May 14, 2023, 02:48:55 PM |
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There's a well-known saying that a dull pencil is mightier than the sharpest mind. It highlights the importance of writing down ideas even if one is confident in their memory. Additionally, certain health conditions can adversely impact one's memory. Unless you commit to using a seed phrase every day for the remainder of your life, it's doubtful that you'll be able to keep the memory completely fresh for life.
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May 14, 2023, 03:05:38 PM |
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You were memorizing your seed phrase. Op you were just disturbing the brain for nothing. That means you can memorize your wallet address too. Funny you. I could remember last when I memorized five (5) pages of a book and that was in my primary school days (elementary school). And the English teacher was forcing us to read and memorized the English Reader Text Book. Even at that we could not memorized the book, it was only a fraction of a page we could memorized. What am I trying to say is that, to memorize a very long words is not easy. Late last year 2022 I was trying to memorize my seed phrase but I could not so I just leave the idea of doing that and just saved it in paper and flashdrive also also my PC and others. Though there are some blessed memories in the world that can capture things easily and for a very long period. Some people have long term memory while some short term memory.
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May 14, 2023, 03:18:17 PM |
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Memorizing these 24 words are the last thing i will do in my crypto-related stuffs, tbh. And that's the worst thing i can suggest to anyone to keep someone's keys for it to be safe because it is not. With a lot i think everyday as an adult to keep that memory in order is impossible. I will recommend to write it instead. Although, yes there are some gifted out there to do that but i still wont it recommend to anyone.
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May 14, 2023, 03:30:25 PM Merited by Westinhome (3) |
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Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.
Backing up your private in a paper is nice idea, but we know paper can be easily destroyed, your kids can easily play with the paper and it will be destroyed, and if you secure your seed phrase in a flash drive, I believe it can easily get corrupt. It’s better you just carve your seed phrase on a steel, we all know it will be very difficult for steel to be destroyed. Incase if you think you can lost your steel, then you can carve it on multiple steels and hide it in different locations. So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
I just find it funny whenever I see people memorizing seed phrase, the only question I keep on asking myself is what if I wake up in a day and miss up everything, those that mean that all the coin in the wallet is gone, I don’t believe in memorizing your private key, the more we get old, the more we keep on losing our memories, we will forget things easily, then time will come you won’t be able to remember your seed phrase anymore and everything in the wallet is gone.
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May 14, 2023, 03:35:49 PM |
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How do you do it? This is impossible for now lol because I have too many things to memorize, my phone numbers, my car plate number, my accounts number and so on, having too mamy things memorized will interfere if you take some time off and focus on other things, it's very easier to mess everything up, there is no better solution with seed phrases than to write them down.
Sometimes, fate can make things happen to you, like an accident or memory losses, this happens to so many people and it's not as if they prayed for such, it just happened out of the blue, I am not saying such will happen to you but we humans, sleeping and waking up everyday is a risk.
Kts possible for sure to remember as much as you want, some people are better than others and regular use/exercise is important/necessary. Repetition, repetition, repetition as Zaguru12 points out and this is only an extra backup, not the only way to store seed phrases. I have never tried this although I have thought about, it cannot be that hard? its just 12 words per wallet. There are people who can remember the players for their winning world cup team of 2, 3 or 4 tournaments ago. If you prioritise memorising and reciting the words it shouldnt be a problem.
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May 14, 2023, 03:46:07 PM |
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Unfortunately, you may forget it especially if you are not rehearsing it every now and then. It is still safer for you to just keep a file in your safe drive in case you forget. You don't know when you gonna bump your head along the way home.
The only reason why I might just memorize a seed is probably if I cross the border and do not want the police to find a piece of paper in me. Memorizing the seed makes sense after all I am crossing a huge amount of money in BTC unlike having $10K which is really suspicious.
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May 14, 2023, 03:52:29 PM Last edit: May 14, 2023, 07:52:21 PM by entebah |
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Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.
So did you memorize your seed phrase for over 5 years already? I even try to memorize my seed phrase for a week but sadly i already forget the words just in 2 days, so for me this option will make me lose my coins and i usually just put the seed words in my flashdisk or just print the words and put it in safe box.
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First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.
Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.
I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.
Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.
So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
Wow I never knew one could memorize the entire 4 wallet seeds. That's impressive. But then again, the effort you have put into this is incredible. I wouldn't manage to rehearse the seed words every day for several years. The only downside - you now know the seed, you keep it in your brain so in case you will be say kidnapped and tortured ($5 wrench attack) there's a possibility you'll give it out to the bad guys.
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May 14, 2023, 07:19:54 PM |
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The only downside - you now know the seed, you keep it in your brain so in case you will be say kidnapped and tortured ($5 wrench attack) there's a possibility you'll give it out to the bad guys.
That is not the downside of storing your seed phrase in your memory, if you are kidnapped or a victim of a $5 dollar wrench attack, your attackers will surely not know that you have your seed phrase stored in your head, the downside of this is forgetting your seed phrase or the correct sequence, there's also the risk of brain disease or head injury. i usually just put the seed words in my wallet or just print the words and put it in safe box.
How do you put your seed phrase in your wallet, it is your wallet that generates your seed phrase and also has it stored in the software, but you are to make additional backups of your seed phrase and store it in a very secure location. Ensure there is not a single point of failure as you store your seed phrase, so have it in two different locations.
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May 14, 2023, 07:25:51 PM |
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What we need is time to create out chance in memorizing seed phrase maybe it could be more easier for a single man or lady with no family load or problems surrounding them. Lest say instance as a worker who goes in and out every morning and night may not have this spare time to face his seed phrase to memorized them, the last time i tried doing that only just a cry of our baby i was distracted and i couldn't able to further with what i was doing. I tried so hard but finally what came into my mind was to back it up several place that is not being accessed by anyone apart from me alone. This is the hardest thing to do and can easily be distracted whenever you couldn't be able to follow them in sequence as its originally created, that is the most problem we have with trying store something very important in our upstairs.
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May 14, 2023, 07:57:35 PM |
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. i usually just put the seed words in my wallet or just print the words and put it in safe box.
How do you put your seed phrase in your wallet, it is your wallet that generates your seed phrase and also has it stored in the software, but you are to make additional backups of your seed phrase and store it in a very secure location. Ensure there is not a single point of failure as you store your seed phrase, so have it in two different locations. I.means in my hard disk/flashdisk not physical wallet, just like you said i make sure to put my seed phrase on 3 different location first on my hard disk, flashdisk and print the seed phrase then put it on my safety box.
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May 14, 2023, 08:08:42 PM |
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First things first, I have pretty average memory, I don't forget important things too often, but I also can't instantly memorize things to the tiniest details like some gifted people can.
Around 5 years ago I decided to memorize my wallet seeds to have one extra backup method. My main backups are pieces of paper + a flash drive with wallet files.
I memorized all 4 wallet seeds (12 words each) that I have very quickly by rehearsing them from memory and checking with the written down seeds every day. For a long time, maybe 1-2 years I kept discipline and repeated the seeds every day, but eventually I started slipping and forgetting to do it, especially if I was busy with something. This affected my memory, and sometimes I forgot or wasn't sure about parts of a seed (2-4 words) so I had to look at it again and repeat it more often.
Interesting thing about memory, it's easier for me to repeat them in the sequence that I was always repeating (seed 1 -> seed 2 -> seed 3 -> seed 4) than to repeat only one seed that isn't the first. Also I can't repeat the words starting from non-first word or in an order that isn't original. So to me it's more like keeping in memory one big 48-word seed than having 4 seeds of 12 words each.
So in summary, I think memorizing a seed is easier than most people think, and there's no need to come up with songs or rhymes or other stuff, they can probably even make things worse. But in general memory is not reliable, even in long term, so this shouldn't be viewed as a reliable backup. It's just a nice extra layer of backup that doesn't require any complicated setup, and its strongest upside is that it's always with you (until your memory fails).
This is something I frequently talk about, memorizing of seed phrases to my mind is the best deal out there but there are a lot of people who disagree with me and say that many people can't remember 12 words seed phrase or they'll forget it. But if one memorizes those words every day for months, he will succeed. I think it offers the ultimate security in sense of you don't need to write down seed phrases somewhere and you don't have to worry about where to save it or who will find it, it's sealed in your brain. But I feel a little bit strange about your case. If you try to simultaneously remember 4 seeds of 12 words, you'll fail. Over 2-4 years, you will succeed but just why do you need 4 wallet? Narrow your focus, it's better for you, you can't handle that much.
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