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I know is nigh impossible for companies to last forever So I wanted to know since most Bitcoin holder are HODL What would happen to a wallet when the company hosting the wallet closes down? Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
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May 14, 2023, 09:00:56 PM |
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So far it is an open source noncustodial wallet, you can import your seed phrase or private key to spend your coins on another reputed open source noncustodial wallet.
Make sure the seed hrase is BIP39 which is supported on many other wallets. Or Electrum seed phrase which you can be be able to spend or transfer your coins if the developers are no more interested to go further with the wallet. There are ways you can still be able to spend your coins and you can import Electrum seed phrase on Bluewallet.
Do not use custodial wallet, do not hold your coins on exchanges because it is not your keys on those custodial platforms.
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May 14, 2023, 09:06:34 PM |
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What would happen to a wallet when the company hosting the wallet closes down? If it's noncustodial, members who carefully stored their recovery seed phrases and/or Private keys would still be able to access and spend their funds using another available noncustodial wallet that allows importation of seeds or private keys. If they didn't back up the seeds or private keys, the funds would be lost forever. If they kept funds in a custodial wallet, they would lose the funds forever if the owners of the wallet didn't bother notifying the users to withdraw the funds. Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
Several times!!!
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May 14, 2023, 09:09:28 PM |
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So far it is an open source noncustodial wallet, you can import your seed phrase or private key to spend your coins on another reputed open source noncustodial wallet.
Make sure the seed hrase is BIP39 which is supported on many other wallets.
This is why you must always use a wallet which gives you the seed, a 12-24 words set. You csn just import it in any other wallet, even of the original wallet stops working
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May 14, 2023, 09:24:36 PM |
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Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
Hah! Tons. This is why most hodlers long ago learned never to use centralized exchanges. Bitcoin is a trustless medium of exchange - why would you trust a third party to hold your coins? To name a few Mt. Gox, FTX have "lost"/stolen people's funds. Coinbase and Binance have both had periods where they held peoples' funds and delayed/prevented withdrawals. Rule of thumb: "Not your keys, not your coins." That means if you trust a third-party with your private Bitcoin wallet keys (or any other crypto), you no longer own those coins and have to trust that third party to A. never lose them B. Never steal them C. Never have them stolen. There are many ways to safeguard your coins and keep them yourself. Research them.
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May 14, 2023, 11:19:54 PM |
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What would happen to a wallet when the company hosting the wallet closes down? Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
Most of them declared bankruptcy. On this list, you will see a few list of bitcoin wallet companies listed and said close because of bankruptcy or forced to close by the government, especially in the US which strictly regulates crypto. That is why choose a non-custodial and open-source wallet and try to differentiate what is Custodial vs. Non Custodial Wallets. Choose the wallet where you hold the private keys to your wallet, which means you are the only one who can access your funds, and those wallets are generally considered to be more secure than custodial wallets because they don't rely on third-party services to store your private keys. My answer to your last question is yes there is. It's Mt. Gox, filed for bankruptcy in 2014 after losing a huge amount of Bitcoins due to a hack, and then people learn how to use a con-custodial wallet.
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May 15, 2023, 08:38:05 AM |
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What would happen to a wallet when the company hosting the wallet closes down? Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
Bitcoin Core, Electrum wallets have many wallet versions that were released in many years. You are fine if you store your bitcoin in old wallet versions. If you have private key, your bitcoin is fine. Now and in future, if that wallet company is closed or the wallet software is abandoned for further development, you can move your bitcoin to a new wallet provides by another wallet software and company. Not your keys, not your coins, that is to remind people that if they store their coins on exchange, they don't have private keys and if that exchange company closes or collapses or bankrupts, they will lose their coins. With non custodial wallets and private keys, you are fine and don't have to care what happen with that wallet company. Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts
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May 15, 2023, 09:30:14 AM |
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I know is nigh impossible for companies to last forever So I wanted to know since most Bitcoin holder are HODL What would happen to a wallet when the company hosting the wallet closes down? Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
Are you referring to custodial wallets where you create an account on some website, and the company behind it holds Bitcoin for you? If yes, then it is important to remind that in such case you have no physical control over the coins, which means you kind of already lost them once handed over to random guys on the Internet! What you have is a promise to return coins on demand, but as with other similar promises it can well be broken for whatever reason, which usually results in you getting failed expectations regarding safety or possible income. If a company closes down, goes bankrupt, or turns out to be a malicious scheme created to play games with naive newcomers, you lose your coins for good as if you never possessed space inside the blockchain. As I said, the only time you can claim that coins are yours is when you have a corresponding private key to an address with those coins. On the other hand, if a wallet is non-custodial, hosted on a public repository on GitHub, and follows all cryptocurrency wallet specifications such as BIP39, you can be sure that if it stops functioning, you can take your private key or seed phrase and import it in some other wallet supporting the same standards. In this case, no matter what happens to people developing the wallet, you can always transfer to any place you like: you keep controlling your funds while choosing services to manage interactions with the blockchain.
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May 15, 2023, 10:15:16 AM |
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We never trust companies that say we should keep our BTC in their custodial service, because that is exactly the opposite of what everyone should do. Any non-custodial crypto wallet that is also open source will be a good choice, whether it's about generating a backup through a seed or extracting a private key that you will then store safely, preferably in multiple copies.
Never trust companies, because they are only there for profit, proven countless times and will continue to be proven in the future.
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May 15, 2023, 10:55:41 AM |
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Has any wallet company ever closed down before or experienced issue that affected holders Bitcoin?
Yes there have been some wallet companies that have closed already. Just like Multibit: Multibit is Deprecated - Stop using itIf you're planning to keep your coins for a long time @OP, the best way to do it is to use a hardware wallet. It has a price but that price is certainly going to give you a peace of mind. Although some wallets can be used and also good in keeping your coins as mentioned by some in here like Electrum.
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May 15, 2023, 12:28:18 PM |
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A custodial wallet e.g. Binance, Kucoin, Coinbase will not give you their private key and if their company shutdown, you don't have any way to recover your coins which you leave there. A non custodial wallet which use BIP39 code without add anything e.g. Electrum, Bluewallet, Mycelium will let you to recover your coins, even the site was been shutdown, although it's highly unlikely. The tricky part is a non custodial wallet, but it's a multisig wallet e.g. Muun wallet and Blockstream wallet, you can't recover your wallet in other wallet, only in their own site. Muun is a multisig wallet with lightning support, so backing up a mnemonic alone would mean your bitcoin could be easily frozen. Self-custodianship is at the core of everything we do, so this wasn't acceptable. We built an Emergency Kit that gives you full self-custody of your money when combined with your Recovery Code[6].
Your Emergency Kit is a PDF document with the information and instructions needed to find and spend your funds independently. No need to brute-force any missing data. Everything is there, including your private keys and output descriptors[7]. As a hierarchical deterministic wallet, Blockstream Green uses the BIP32 standard to derive the child keys for its wallet.
Although Blockstream Green uses industry standards for recovery phrase generation, wallets created in Blockstream Green using Multisig Shield cannot be restored on other wallet software. This is due to the unique multisig security model used for Multisig Shield wallets. In comparison, wallets that use Singlesig can be restored on most other wallet software (e.g. Electrum).
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May 15, 2023, 12:35:19 PM |
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A non custodial wallet which use BIP39 code without add anything e.g. Electrum, Bluewallet, Mycelium will let you to recover your coins, even the site was been shutdown, although it's highly unlikely.
A seed phrase generated by electrum isn't BIP39. Electrum uses its own algorithm for generating a seed phrase. Of course, since electrum is open-source, there's nothing to worry about if you have a seed phrase generated by it and you will be always able to derive your private keys from your seed phrase.
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OP, the reason why you asked this question is because you think that Bitcoin is stored inside a wallet, so to add to what other users have said, i'd tell you that it is a misconception and it is not the truth, Bitcoin is not stored inside a wallet, but in the blockchain and it is your private key that you use to prove ownership of your funds. Id your Bitcoins are in a custodial wallet, you don't have the keys, so you can't prove ownership of the funds, thus if the company collapses, it does so with your funds.
Having said that, if you use a non-custodial wallet that gives you ownership of your funds/keys, as long as you have the keys, or the seed phrase that can recover the keys anytime, your funds are safe in your custody. Even if the wallet stops functioning, you'd basically just use your keys to spend it in another wallet, because your funds isn't stored inside any wallet, but on the blockchain.
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May 15, 2023, 12:55:19 PM |
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What would happen to a wallet when the company hosting the wallet closes down?
Since most are focused on telling you about the risks when the company closes down, that shouldn't be your biggest fear at all! If a company closes down just because it wants to end its business, there you might still have the chance to get your funds out till a certain date, usually a few months before the wallets become inaccessible! But, that's a good ending scenario! Using a wallet that you don't control will for sure not end only with a company closing down, it might end with - the said company gets hacked - you lose your coins - the said company getting " hacked" - you lose your coins - the said company is bad at business, FTX style - you lose your coins - your account gets hacked but the company denies it's their fault - you lose your coins - you lose access to your login credentials - you lose your coins So there are a hundred more bad ending scenarios other than just shutting down!
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I suppose that this is one of the most typical doubts when someone starts looking for info about blockchain and cryptocurrencies. The question is simple and the answer is simple too, but until you ask it it is not so obvious. We never trust companies that say we should keep our BTC in their custodial service, because that is exactly the opposite of what everyone should do. Any non-custodial crypto wallet that is also open source will be a good choice, whether it's about generating a backup through a seed or extracting a private key that you will then store safely, preferably in multiple copies.
Never trust companies, because they are only there for profit, proven countless times and will continue to be proven in the future.
The eternal dilemma: on one hand, if you keep it in a third party's custodial service, then you have to trust on him, but you should know that one of our mottos is "don't trust, verify". On the other hand, if you custody yourself your keys, you are responsible for their destiny and you won't be able to blame on anyone if you lose them and your coins get lost forever. At least, in the case mentioned (if the wallet company closes), you will be safe and able to introduce the seed in another wallet of your choice.
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May 15, 2023, 01:26:56 PM |
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Your concern has already been warned by Theymos in this topic Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts. Choose a wallet that you can control, occasionally you can stop here to see some recommendations for wallets that are suitable and safe to use. Saving assets in a custodial wallet is not completely yours anymore because you do not hold the Private key that can control it. Choose a wallet that has a seed that you can control, don't let your assets be controlled by a third party.
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We never trust companies that say we should keep our BTC in their custodial service, because that is exactly the opposite of what everyone should do. Any non-custodial crypto wallet that is also open source will be a good choice, whether it's about generating a backup through a seed or extracting a private key that you will then store safely, preferably in multiple copies.
Never trust companies, because they are only there for profit, proven countless times and will continue to be proven in the future.
We only have to care about ending of a wallet company if that company provides a custodial wallet and we as their wallet users, don't own private keys of our coins. We will have to rely on that wallet company to get access to our coins. They have private keys and their activities, approve or reject our withdrawal request will decide that we will be able to access our coins or not (lose it). They can turn to be a scam company by suddenly shut down their service without notice, or with a fake notice like our CEO is dead and we lose all our coins, we are sorry and it's the end for their users. Many fake announcements can be make if they are a scam wallet company. QuadrigaCX can't pay $190M owned because CEO with password die (2019) Bankrupt Crypto Exchange QuadrigaCX Will Start Interim Distribution for Some Users, EY Says (2023). You will only can wait for luck if they shut down their service. Not all will have partial repayment, compensation like QuadrigaCX. With non custodial wallets, we don't send our coins to any company, we own coins with keys.
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Eh, it kind of depends. If it's a non-custodial service (meaning you hold the private key), you can open it using other services. So, if the wallet company has your private keys, you've got to make sure you have a backup, or you might lose your bitcoin. So, make sure you've got a backup of your private keys stashed somewhere safe, okay? Yes, there are some wallet companies that shut down or have problems that mess with people's bitcoin. Like in 2014, the Mt. Gox exchange (which was also a wallet service) went bankrupt because they lost around 850,000 bitcoin that belonged to their users. Bummer. So, there was this one time when the Parity wallet (where a lot of Ethereum was kept) got messed up because of a bug in its smart contract code back in 2017. This caused them to lose around $280 million worth of Ethereum. Bummer. That's why we've got to know what kind of wallet we're using now so we can be ready.
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May 16, 2023, 05:26:41 AM |
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"Our cryptocurrency exchange services provide businesses with the tools and support they need to enter the exciting world of cryptocurrencies. Our team of experts will work with you to design, develop, and launch a secure, user-friendly, and highly functional cryptocurrency exchange. Whether you are looking to start a new business, or enhance your existing one, our cryptocurrency exchange services can help you achieve your goals. With cutting-edge technology, easy-to-use interface design, and 24/7 support, your cryptocurrency exchange will be a reliable platform for trading digital assets. Get in touch with us today to learn more about our cryptocurrency exchange services and how we can help you succeed in the cryptocurrency market."
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May 16, 2023, 05:49:35 AM |
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"Our cryptocurrency exchange services provide businesses with the tools and support they need to enter the exciting world of cryptocurrencies. Our team of experts will work with you to design, develop, and launch a secure, user-friendly, and highly functional cryptocurrency exchange. Whether you are looking to start a new business, or enhance your existing one, our cryptocurrency exchange services can help you achieve your goals. With cutting-edge technology, easy-to-use interface design, and 24/7 support, your cryptocurrency exchange will be a reliable platform for trading digital assets. Get in touch with us today to learn more about our cryptocurrency exchange services and how we can help you succeed in the cryptocurrency market." this should be moved to the exchange board or service board. This thread is clearly a questionnaire thread and many members would not see your exchange’s advert this way
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