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May 19, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
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Elon Musk considers working from home to be morally wrong. His reasons are that while you are working from home, the people who make your vehicles can't, as they have to be at the factory. In addition, while you are working from home, the delivery person cannot work from home as they have to deliver your package.

Mr. Musk is entitled to his own opinion. What I think is that it is a matter of productivity and not morality. For example, the software engineer who works from home may be working on the latest innovative software for food delivery or vehicle assembly. Besides, where it is necessary, companies should allow their staff to decide what they want.

Do you agree with Elon Musk or do you disagree with him?

- https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/16/elon-musk-work-from-home-morally-wrong-when-some-have-to-show-up.html?__source|twitter|main|verticalvideo
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May 19, 2023, 09:12:07 PM
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This is not a question of morality, but a question of "carrot and stick". Some workers need a carrot and will be disciplined to work from home, others need a stick in the office, otherwise they will not work effectively. Covid is over and the company must do everything to effectively manage employees, and this is easier to do in the office.

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May 19, 2023, 09:14:11 PM
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This is not a question of morality, but a question of "carrot and stick". Some workers need a carrot and will be disciplined to work from home, others need a stick in the office, otherwise they will not work effectively. Covid is over and the company must do everything to effectively manage employees, and this is easier to do in the office.

This situation is a case to case basis as there are jobs that you can do at your home.
Whereas, some positions need to be in the office to perform the needed tasks.
So it is not a question of morality, for me, it is how you can accomplish your job given the environment you are in.
There are so many home-based jobs now as you can achieve the same productivity at home.
However, there are some jobs that you can't accomplish at home like the laboratory jobs, or other hands-on jobs where you need company resources.
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May 19, 2023, 09:18:15 PM
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Elon Musk considers working from home to be morally wrong. His reasons are that while you are working from home, the people who make your vehicles can't, as they have to be at the factory. In addition, while you are working from home, the delivery person cannot work from home as they have to deliver your package.

Mr. Musk is entitled to his own opinion. What I think is that it is a matter of productivity and not morality. For example, the software engineer who works from home may be working on the latest innovative software for food delivery or vehicle assembly. Besides, where it is necessary, companies should allow their staff to decide what they want.

Do you agree with Elon Musk or do you disagree with him?

- https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/16/elon-musk-work-from-home-morally-wrong-when-some-have-to-show-up.html?__source|twitter|main|verticalvideo
I don't know what Musk's own underside standing of morality vs remote works is and as a matter of fact I have disagreed with a couple of Musk's thoughts and even his working-from-home thoughts.

Maybe designing an artificial intelligence wife sounds like morality to him, just like making electric cars.

It's all about the money and the fam but we a bigger than that because what matters is the quality of things you put your time into and there are different forks for a different job.


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May 19, 2023, 09:26:40 PM
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This is not a question of morality, but a question of "carrot and stick". Some workers need a carrot and will be disciplined to work from home, others need a stick in the office, otherwise they will not work effectively. Covid is over and the company must do everything to effectively manage employees, and this is easier to do in the office.

This situation is a case to case basis as there are jobs that you can do at your home.
Whereas, some positions need to be in the office to perform the needed tasks.
So it is not a question of morality, for me, it is how you can accomplish your job given the environment you are in.
There are so many home-based jobs now as you can achieve the same productivity at home.
However, there are some jobs that you can't accomplish at home like the laboratory jobs, or other hands-on jobs where you need company resources.
I didn’t work for Elon Musk companies, but in the big companies where I was, it was customary to speak all orders personally. This is much more efficient than control via telephone or conference call. It is more profitable for an employer to save on office expenses, but this is not suitable for all employees. Recently, it has become fashionable to send IT workers to a remote location, but they still have to come to the office 2 times a week. I look at the experience of my colleagues, and their bosses require the presence in the office at least once a week.

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May 19, 2023, 10:17:04 PM
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It's not about morality or so. He has to understand that there are jobs and tasks that can really be done at home with certain tools provided by the company. He's aware of the WFH setup and that has been there even before the pandemic triggered. I don't know why he has to make this such a wide discussion and have to make bold statements about vague comparisons. He may be entitled to his own opinion but he's off and entirely wrong with that comparison. If people choose the skillsets that they have which will allow them to work at home, why stop them?
While those people chose the skills that will only be done inside the company's premises through working on site. There's no violation, there's no discrimination with the choice of anyone whether to work at home or to work on site.

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May 19, 2023, 10:24:44 PM
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Companies doesn't let the employees get paid without working. Based on what I've come across, when we're in our office we need to spend eight hours working and when we come out of the office cabin we have our personal space. Now scenario have changed, anytime we can be called by the senior employees for queries as well as other needs. We're in a situation to respond and unable to ignore. Maybe the spending on travel and other things have decreased, but the employees are working overtime for the same salary  Cheesy

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May 19, 2023, 10:33:58 PM
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This is not a question of morality, but a question of "carrot and stick". Some workers need a carrot and will be disciplined to work from home, others need a stick in the office, otherwise they will not work effectively. Covid is over and the company must do everything to effectively manage employees, and this is easier to do in the office.

This situation is a case to case basis as there are jobs that you can do at your home.
Whereas, some positions need to be in the office to perform the needed tasks.
So it is not a question of morality, for me, it is how you can accomplish your job given the environment you are in.
There are so many home-based jobs now as you can achieve the same productivity at home.
However, there are some jobs that you can't accomplish at home like the laboratory jobs, or other hands-on jobs where you need company resources.


I wonder why Elon Musk did not raise the difference in employee's wages as morally wrong.  Grin  It would gather him more attention than his argument of working from home as morally wrong.  The way he explained the reason why he thinks it is morally wrong can be compared to saying that the fishermen fishing on the water is morally wrong when the farmer are on land cultivating the crops.  Honestly I find it funny how he come up with such idea.
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May 19, 2023, 11:10:47 PM
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Jobs that do not need to be confined in the office have produced a lot more positive results compared to when they're inside the office. Also, those who are creating vehicles need to be on site obviously, and Elon's comparison on these two things are very poor. It's never a question of morality, it's the question of efficiency and how much things can be done on which setup while also limiting the cost of operations and whatnot. This is what Elon cannot comprehend, or he does but he's pushing the narrative to go out there and use vehicles because, well, he has an interest on it as one of his companies is working on electric cars.

I believe that a hybrid setup on jobs that this is applicable is way better than a permanent work-at-home or work-at-office setup because this change in environment can actually help the employee get a better feel at working because they are not seeing the same things over and over again.
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May 19, 2023, 11:28:37 PM
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Generally speacking that am not interested in new coin investments. However i would like to point out that Elon Musk may not be the best example that you can adopt in your evaluation of any topic, since this person relies in most of his media statements on fallacies. We had known this through many experiences with him with Dodge Coin and space travel.
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May 19, 2023, 11:55:55 PM
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Elon Musk considers working from home to be morally wrong. His reasons are that while you are working from home, the people who make your vehicles can't, as they have to be at the factory. In addition, while you are working from home, the delivery person cannot work from home as they have to deliver your package.

Mr. Musk is entitled to his own opinion. What I think is that it is a matter of productivity and not morality. For example, the software engineer who works from home may be working on the latest innovative software for food delivery or vehicle assembly. Besides, where it is necessary, companies should allow their staff to decide what they want.

Do you agree with Elon Musk or do you disagree with him?

- https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/16/elon-musk-work-from-home-morally-wrong-when-some-have-to-show-up.html?__source|twitter|main|verticalvideo

It will be morally wrong if your job needs your presence so that the result will be more effective and perfect example with that is if you are working on manufacturing firm where your presence is really needed.

But if you are working as admin support, virtual assistant or anything related which job can be done anywhere well you don't need to go to office for this type of job.

Elon Musk should consider that its case to case basis before releasing that statement.

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May 20, 2023, 02:00:37 AM
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He is just thinking about his company. I mean, he ain't looking at the bigger picture because this doesn't apply to all. There are really companies that have this, and let's say they are not essential workers like those who needed to go to the factory. What I mean is that as an employee of a work from home worker, it can make less traffic, less crowd, and mostly improve productivity at work as we can do it in our home without being late or tired of commuting. For sure, those people who have to go to their personal jobs know it, which I don't know why Musk said
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I don't agree with Elon Musk, of course. You cannot speak of morality when it comes to whatever job you have for as long as it is not hurting people. It's not about right or wrong. All jobs that are for the good of everybody are right, wherever the workers may be working.

Elon cannot generalize works as if they are all the same, because they aren't. If you are an auto mechanic, you have to be physically present in your shop. But if you are a software developer, why can't you work from home? But both are doing the right things. It's just that we aren't in the same circumstances. There's nothing wrong with this setup.

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May 20, 2023, 04:00:48 AM
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He sounded like he judged certain companies to be immoral. There are some jobs that don't have a physical office, such as a digital service company. I've read CZ write something like "where that day I was, there is my office".
All industries will want the work environment to be as comfortable as possible to make workers feel at home while maintaining production quality, even if possible they will place production machines in workers' homes. In the cottage industries around me, some types of work processes can be taken home.

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May 20, 2023, 04:08:24 AM
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It is important to note that there are difference and perspectives on the issue of working from home and it ultimately depends on the specific circumstances of each industry and company. Maybe others will agree on Elon Musk's perspective, because he is entitled to his own opinion and everyone does also. Others may argue that working from home can lead to increased productivity and employee satisfaction. Ultimately, each company must evaluate the benefits and drawbacks of remote work and decide what works best for their business and their employees.

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I don't agree with Elon Musk, of course. You cannot speak of morality when it comes to whatever job you have for as long as it is not hurting people. It's not about right or wrong. All jobs that are for the good of everybody are right, wherever the workers may be working.

Elon cannot generalize works as if they are all the same, because they aren't. If you are an auto mechanic, you have to be physically present in your shop. But if you are a software developer, why can't you work from home? But both are doing the right things. It's just that we aren't in the same circumstances. There's nothing wrong with this setup.

Well said, Elon Musk might be famous since he's rich but I disagree with on this one. There's a lot of different jobs that you could consider already that needed to be present at your workplace or can be done at home. Some companies really wanted to see the work of their employees so they are implementing to work at their workplace even those jobs can be done at home. Of course as an worker some really prefer to work at home to be more convenient for them so they really give the best output which the company really like. In short it still depends it's not applicable to all jobs.

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May 20, 2023, 04:26:14 AM
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Do you agree with Elon Musk or do you disagree with him?
I suppose Musk here is fighting for "equality", where people of a single company should go to and fro in the same office every day for their work. And it's just dumb (and there really is no such thing as equality tbf). I mean, let's be real, his argument of service workers coming to the office to work REQUIRES them to work there because that's there, or at least a part of their job description, simple as that. Some jobs are able to function well enough in their homes. Though it may be a matter of preference for them, it certainly doesn't necessitate the requirement for them to go to the office to perform their job.

I agree that it isn't really about productivity, I mean some people are just more productive in the office with fellow workers, and some are just productive while in the comfort of their home. Morality? Now that idrk where he got that from. Plus, I say bosses, team leads, CEO's or whoever is in the lead probably just isn't used to handling people online, hence why they make them come to the office, where they actually know how to.  

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May 20, 2023, 04:28:15 AM
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Elon Musk has alot to say on every topic but in this matter he's being judgemental because work from home or not totally depends upon your job type . If you have a job which always requires your physical presence to carryout particular task that's OK but the IT jobs that needs your work and results not your presence is another case .
Productivity has nothing to do with work from office or home.

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May 20, 2023, 04:28:22 AM
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Did Elon Musk always stay in his company from nine to five in working days? I doubt it Tongue

I think he can say that because there are many employee working in his company are asking to work from home, so he don't like it and say like this, to make his employee stay in his company. Work from home is obviously more productive, but a businessman will ask his employee to help other people jobs even though it's not their job desk, a businessman don't care, he will say it's a loyal act for the company.
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May 20, 2023, 04:31:50 AM
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Did Elon Musk always stay in his company from nine to five in working days? I doubt it Tongue

I think he can say that because there are many employee working in his company are asking to work from home, so he don't like it and say like this, to make his employee stay in his company. Work from home is obviously more productive, but a businessman will ask his employee to help other people jobs even though it's not their job desk, a businessman don't care, he will say it's a loyal act for the company.
Definitely not he's just the mind and controller behind his team he may never comes to office properly he just controlled everything from outside .
The office desk jobs can easily  be carried out at home with 100% productivity because that totally requires your systems and softwares installed  but the business sometimes requires your total presence to complete some task .

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