OgNasty wrote a beauty!

[libert19]

I still can't believe that Bitcoin hasn't gotten a web browser wallet that can log you into websites using your Bitcoin address the way that metamask (and now others) has been adopted by the web3 community.  Shocking nobody has built it yet.  Almost even a little disgraceful that we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.  It's like actual real world development of Bitcoin stopped half a decade ago but nobody noticed because the number keeps going up so who cares...  Hopefully if web browsers building crypto wallets is becoming more popular, one of them will take it upon themselves to bring Bitcoin up to 2016 tech expectations.

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

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If you lost access to your password and email and not able to login into you bitcointalk account, only what you have to do is to sign a message with your bitcoin address that have been known for long on this forum.   

If you forgot your password, you can reset it through email
If you forget your email, you can sign a bitcoin message with your known address on this forum

If you do not like that, you can leave this forum to a forum that can use signing message with bitcoin or altcoins address to access your account.

Signing message is to prove you are the owner of a bitcoin address.

[NeuroticFish]

we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

Well, let's say a newbie wants to ask questions about bitcoin. And finds out this forum, and he cannot ask because he has to learn first to sign a message or something. Won't he just say "fuck with this"? Or maybe even "fuck with all this crypto thing"?

So no, it's not feasible to log in like that. On the other hand, as said, we do have recover account with signed message; that is a much better use case.

[MainIbem]

Signing a message can only be applicable to high rank members those whom we believe can sign a message. For newbies I don't think is a thing of must for them start signing messages but there should be step by step guidelines for them to be able to do this so that they could be able sign a message with their address.

[Coyster]

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

Are you suggesting it be implemented or not, you haven't first giving your own opinion on the matter, you just quoted the original OP. Having said that, this isn't something that's necessary, and it would also be too complicated for some, the proper way to sign into any platform, even our crypto wallets is through our passwords/pin, thus i don't see how this is going to change anything or make the forum better. Safe to say this forum would be unwelcoming to users who do not have any Bitcoin wallet if we have got something like this in place, so no.

[bittraffic]

Because the installed wallet works somehow. In the early days where we didn't need to sign up to bet on binaryoption, I remember I use electrum wallet in my laptop and just by a click to a button electrum pops to confirm the transaction. I think its safer that way than loggin in using our seed or priv key to a web browser.

Its unsafe to connect browser extension wallet.

[Coin_trader]

Signing a message can only be applicable to high rank members those whom we believe can sign a message. For newbies I don't think is a thing of must for them start signing messages but there should be step by step guidelines for them to be able to do this so that they could be able sign a message with their address.

I think the content only says the lack of web3 like feature on Bitcoin while the rest of cryptocurrency have this feature on signing in a website. His ideology is not bad at all since we are already using sign message as last resort to recover our account here.

We can have an option to manual login using username and password or use a web3 like method to login like what he suggest. I think his suggestion is possible in the future due to Ordinals since there’s already some development in there in regards with web3 wallet on Bitcoin.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ordinals-support-comes-bitcoin-based-212544478.html#:~:text=Xverse%2C%20billed%20as%20a%20%E2%80%9CBitcoin,NFTs%20onto%20the%20Bitcoin%20blockchain.

Looking on the current version of the forum,  I think this is not possible but I’m not a developer so correct me if I’m wrong here.  

[CryptSafe]

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

Are you suggesting it be implemented or not, you haven't first giving your own opinion on the matter, you just quoted the original OP. Having said that, this isn't something that's necessary, and it would also be too complicated for some, the proper way to sign into any platform, even our crypto wallets is through our passwords/pin, thus i don't see how this is going to change anything or make the forum better. Safe to say this forum would be unwelcoming to users who do not have any Bitcoin wallet if we have got something like this in place, so no.

I think OP want the members to see it clear and possibly discuss over it here as this board is very important in respect to the development of the bitcointalk platform. Maybe this Idea could be feasible if it is properly debated on and members being convinced as to why they would need it to sign in their various accounts from different location if the need arises.

My take on this, most of private and personal hacks are possibly from compromised web browser which were not detected early enough. Do you not think it would not be different from others if bitcoin follow such steps? It would be obvious that it could result to massive compromise of data and funds as the case maybe.

[skarais]

we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

What @OgNasty said is correct in that we are not logging into this forum with signed message but rather with username and password. Signed message is only needed to recover your account if it gets hacked or lost, the recovery team needs it to prove ownership.

You also don't need to post your bitcoin address publicly (if it's private), but you may need to do that somewhere like a private PM or something. This can also help more than nothing. Also forum don't need your main address to sign messages, but just an empty address completely controlled by the user himself is more than enough.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Almost even a little disgraceful that we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

It is not a problem with current members and people already used bitcoins and knew steps to sign a message from a non custodial wallet.

It is a big problem for a guest, a newbie in Bitcoin and this forced requirement can fear them out of using Bitcoin and Bitcointalk. When you put people at inconvenience at beginning, high chance that they will immediately stop and never mind to continue.

I would like to have a soft beginning for newbies and they always can learn later.

Is it time to use Welcome message for all new members? If it is used, forum can add links to topics about sign a message, stake a bitcoin address in the Welcome message.

[Synchronice]

we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

Well, let's say a newbie wants to ask questions about bitcoin. And finds out this forum, and he cannot ask because he has to learn first to sign a message or something. Won't he just say "fuck with this"? Or maybe even "fuck with all this crypto thing"?

So no, it's not feasible to log in like that. On the other hand, as said, we do have recover account with signed message; that is a much better use case.

Actually, we can post a video on log in page to teach them how to sign a message and do all the necessary stuff but the problem is that bitcointalk isn't on that level to radically change the log in method. This forum is probably slowly dying and you are right about what you say, this process will just kill this forum even harder, why will someone newbie register here when he has to do something difficult in first case to ask a question? On another hand, here we have reddit where you can sign up with one click via Google or Apple account.

No, no, this will kill the forum!

[Despairo]

I agree with @NeuroticFish it just increase a possibility new member will not interested to join Bitcointalk because of hard to create or login an account.

With the current login where the forum only ask username, password and captcha, the total active accounts are very small compared to total registered users Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why?.

The current situation already make many newbie become hard to active in this forum, they can't post because of evil IP address, they can't post freely due to time frame limitation, they can get banned due to plagiarism, not many users welcome newbie etc.

[LoyceV]

It's like actual real world development of Bitcoin stopped half a decade ago

what do you think?

It's the typical finger pointing to others.

Using a Bitcoin private key to login only makes it more secure if you sign offline, but nobody is going to do that all the time. Installing any browser addon is a security risk.
Signing in to websites through the browser has worked fine for decades, just because something is new, doesn't mean it's better to use it. How many of the "blockchain is going to disrupt whatever industry" BS still exists after a few years? There's no point in complicating things just for the sake of claiming "we're using Bitcoin" while it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.

@OP: Read theymos' Topic title style guide.

[348Judah]

I still can't believe that Bitcoin hasn't gotten a web browser wallet that can log you into websites using your Bitcoin address the way that metamask (and now others) has been adopted by the web3 community.  Shocking nobody has built it yet.  Almost even a little disgraceful that we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.  It's like actual real world development of Bitcoin stopped half a decade ago but nobody noticed because the number keeps going up so who cares...  Hopefully if web browsers building crypto wallets is becoming more popular, one of them will take it upon themselves to bring Bitcoin up to 2016 tech expectations.

In Meta because of bold part, what do you think?

Maybe the forum is not interested on logging in to the forum by any means other than the bitcointalk.org for some security measures, my thoughts anyway, having a web browser designed for the bitcointalk login will have to be on the google or any centralized app stores which the forum may also kicked against, the only means is to access the forum through the host address the bitcoin admin manages, anyone with a case of lost or hacked account should follow the normal procedure for the recovery if they are truly the owner of such account.

[libert19]

@OP: Read theymos' Topic title style guide.

[John Abraham]

The current situation already make many newbie become hard to active in this forum, they can't post because of evil IP address, they can't post freely due to time frame limitation, they can get banned due to plagiarism

I don't see those bolded parts as a reason. I don't think any newbie writes too often; that may give them a time frame limit. Even if they post multiple times in a short time frame, I doubt the post quality. Getting banned due to plagiarism is not too harsh. Especially forum moderators are giving more chances to users. If they get caught doing plagiarism multiple times, It's justified. If you see some newbies doing plagiarism, You report them, and they never know why they were banned.

An excellent idea could be if you see someone plagiarizing, warn them and refer to the rules thread. If you find them for a 2nd time, Give them a temp ban. The 3rd time they should be banned permanently. I agree that getting permanently banned for first-time plagiarism is too harsh. We don't know how many chances someone got. So, it is up to moderators to find out if they were given an opportunity. They may have a log of users' activity.

not many users welcome newbie etc.

I see this one as the biggest problem. At the same time, I don't blame everyone. Some of us always try to help newbies, while some of us constantly being attacking to them.

[NotATether]

You can easily build a web3 Bitcoin wallet with BRC20 or any other "bitcoin assets" protocol by minting the session cookie (OAuth token in the case of app integrations) directly to the blockchain.

But don't do it on BRC20 though, because that'll make all the criticism about it actually justified, in that fees are ridiculously high.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Using a Bitcoin private key to login only makes it more secure if you sign offline, but nobody is going to do that all the time. Installing any browser addon is a security risk.

If we all had to sign a message to log on to this forum (assuming there wasn't the "stay logged in" option), that would not only be a huge pain in the ass for members experienced with bitcoin and signing messages, but it'd turn away potential members who might not even know how to do it yet and wouldn't take the time to learn just to be a member here--and that would be understandable, since it seems like a lot of newcomers think bitcointalk is a throwback from the 2010 era.

But you know?  Theymos tends to make things extremely complicated (like the merit and trust systems); this idea sounds like something he'd go for if it weren't for privacy and/or security issues involved.  It's definitely not something I'd want to see come to pass.

Also, I agree with the member above who mentioned that OP's response to OgNasty's post is just a wee bit inadequate to spark a discussion.  It would be nice for thread starters looking to get people's opinions to start by giving their own.  Just a suggestion, OP.

[un_rank]

Almost even a little disgraceful that we aren't logging into this website by signing a message with our wallets or something.

This is a forum to discuss bitcoin and not an exclusive club for bitcoiners where the secret pass is your signed address.
It is okay to not have a bitcoin address at the time one registered on the forum. It is also okay even not to know how to sign a message using your private key at the time one registered.

This forum is meant to be educative and not restrictive.

I still can't believe that Bitcoin hasn't gotten a web browser wallet that can log you into websites using your Bitcoin address the way that metamask (and now others) has been adopted by the web3 community.  

Is there any significant use of this to bitcoin today or we should just adopt it cause it is the trend? I feel it is okay to not have updates just for the sake of it, but only when there is a real technical need for it.

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[Rizzrack]

Too hard for new members... bla bla bla... annoying... bla bla bla...

If I had a satoshi every time I asked a user for a signed message to recover his account and got a reply with profile signature bbcode, handwritten signature (the artist in the corner of the painting kind), IDs and many more...

Pretty sure the majority of active bitcointalk users now a days don't know how to sign a message. You wonder why ? Because they use Metamask to login other platforms and they just click and "presto!"... it's done. They don't need to know!

It would be cool to have this alternative. Not as the only login option.

About the Bitcoin WEB3 topic not sure what to say. A few months ago might have said it would be cool if Bitcoin NFTs would be a thing. Now i'm not too sure about that.