Making a x10 or x100 by short selling

[Silberman]

X10 is still fairly normal because trading by eliminating greed is quite good, but if you use x100 it is clear that it is very high risk,
because you can get liquidated quickly, even it's like a gamble. if you are not yet a professional trader, it is better not to use x100,
let alone short sell, when the market is bearish, it is very easy to manipulate by whales.

this multiplier depends on the alt in question. actually, the x10 is quite hard for a seemingly old alt. you will see this in most new alts where the team is prone to pump and dump scheme. and if the supply is low and the amount needed to move the market is only small. but for currencies like btc, eth, you need large sum of money before you can see a high percentage of change in the market.
for people who are looking for alts that can make x10 to x100, be very careful. because if you are late in selling your coins, you will likely end up holding worthless coins.

Even 10x can be very difficult to get on an established coin, on the case of bitcoin someone which wanted to obtain those results will require to buy at the bottom of the bear market which was 15k and hope for 150k to be reached during the next bull run, and while I believe such a high price is possible this would require perfect timing by the investor trying to obtain those profits, something that we know is incredibly hard as only a handful of people are able to buy at the bottom and sell at the top.

[borovichok]

X10 is still fairly normal because trading by eliminating greed is quite good, but if you use x100 it is clear that it is very high risk,
because you can get liquidated quickly, even it's like a gamble. if you are not yet a professional trader, it is better not to use x100,
let alone short sell, when the market is bearish, it is very easy to manipulate by whales.

The typical leverage deployed by traders in the market is x10, but anything above x100 indicates that a trader is looking to liquidate his or her accounts. That high level of risk associated with increased leverage with minuscule accounts is frequently the product of greed and desperation. Shorting on the spot market yields lower earnings than shorting on the futures market. Regardless of the size of the account, leverage contributes to the boosting approach, profits, and loss of a trade. Leverages are the variables that propelled our market trades. Shorting in futures trading would be impossible without leverage.

[Inwestour]

Even 10x can be very difficult to get on an established coin, on the case of bitcoin someone which wanted to obtain those results will require to buy at the bottom of the bear market which was 15k and hope for 150k to be reached during the next bull run, and while I believe such a high price is possible this would require perfect timing by the investor trying to obtain those profits, something that we know is incredibly hard as only a handful of people are able to buy at the bottom and sell at the top.

x10 is a very big profit, even x2 is very good because it doubles your capital, not many markets are able to give you such a profit. But it is very important how you can take advantage of this opportunity, and how much capital you invest, because if you buy 1000 dollars worth of bitcoin, then in the end when you can double your investment it will be only 2k, that's not so much, or even if you succeed on a new bull market and you get x10, then it will be only 10k, which is already better, but still very small.

And imagine if you invested not 1k but 10k, how much would it increase your potential profit, and if the amount is 50k, or 100k. Therefore, having good capital, one cycle may be enough to become a wealthy person, there are always opportunities, you just need to be able to use it.

[Bushdark]

Hi there is a lot of talk about finding opportunities to make a x10 or a x100.

But I think it is easier to make a x10 by selling short...any tips to get the best ROI possible by selling short?

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

It is easier to make 10x than to make 100x? On that you are right, but making 10x is not really easy, there is no amount of tips and tricks which can allows you to earn that amount easily, besides 10x is still a massive amount, as if you are trying to earn that with every single trade then you will only need two trades to get 100x, which shows how ridiculously high those expectations really are, then I suggest you lower your expectations dramatically if you want to have any chance of actually making them true.

Making a 10× on a short could be easier than said especially now that there is no much frequent movement in the market to create a good volatility for a long profits like 10×. You even need to wait for a 10× for you to go short.
 You can make good amount of money when you leverage your trade to earn more money from the market. You can earn more if you know how to leverage very well mostly in a ranging market. Those are looking to make like 10× to 100× might make mistake along there taste to earn big from the market.
I will prefer going for few short sell on yhe market than waiting for a marathon long holding.

[Huppercase]

Cryptocurrency has many opportunities, but the question is how will you find them and how will you execute the plan?

You could say that shorting shitcoins can be profitable, but you also need to consider that illiquidity pump and announcement pump that happens, as this can lead to liquidation. Of course that's not desirable, and add to that the fact that you have to pay funding rates.

Easier said than done.

Which is the same story as always, on paper it is very easy to imagine that if you just buy at the bottom and sell at the top then the profits you can get will be huge, but once you try to put your strategy into practice then things get way more complicated to the point that the perfect strategy that you envisioned crumbles under duress and you are forced once again to think about what you are doing wrong before creating yet another strategy.

I don't know why people loves risk that are too high, 10x is manageable even though I also see it as a way to lose everything but 100x is like a grenade traders love to play with, I don't consider such kind of risk because when something is too good to be true, it's better to avoid such because at the end, you will lose more than you will gain. Ideally, trading is very easy to discuss but the reality is different, shorting the market with such kind of leverage is not easy in application, you have to analyze the market when you expect some crash like the other day SEC had issues with bank, that's the period to short the market with these leverages but for conviniency, do spot trading and enjoy your small profit and loss.

[Silberman]

Which is the same story as always, on paper it is very easy to imagine that if you just buy at the bottom and sell at the top then the profits you can get will be huge, but once you try to put your strategy into practice then things get way more complicated to the point that the perfect strategy that you envisioned crumbles under duress and you are forced once again to think about what you are doing wrong before creating yet another strategy.

I don't know why people loves risk that are too high, 10x is manageable even though I also see it as a way to lose everything but 100x is like a grenade traders love to play with, I don't consider such kind of risk because when something is too good to be true, it's better to avoid such because at the end, you will lose more than you will gain. Ideally, trading is very easy to discuss but the reality is different, shorting the market with such kind of leverage is not easy in application, you have to analyze the market when you expect some crash like the other day SEC had issues with bank, that's the period to short the market with these leverages but for conviniency, do spot trading and enjoy your small profit and loss.

They take those risks since the capital they have is on the small side and they realize that if they were to refuse to use leverage or use a small amount of it they will never reach their financial goals, so they use a massive amount of leverage to increase their profits only to get the opposite results, as with such a high leverage there is not really any margin of error and you have to predict what the market is going to do at all times or lose all your money in a single trade.

[Hamza2424]

Hi there is a lot of talk about finding opportunities to make a x10 or a x100.

But I think it is easier to make a x10 by selling short...any tips to get the best ROI possible by selling short?

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

Short Leverage Trade?

Hmm, a linear short trade is possible in ideal conditions for the rest, it is similar to gambling, now don't get confused by this I am saying Trading is Gambling. Dear trading is not Gambling but Leverage trading is a sort of Gambling (Parital Gambling). Answering to your question yes it is possible to make 10x to 100x  even by shorting the trade. I was reading a story of a tender who made 10x by just shorting in the market at the time of COVID-19 and the story seems true because at that time market was freely falling and there was a huge fud. So the answer is quite simple because it's the market anything is possible it all depends on the demand and supply (Trend).

A few tips I trading;

⚫ Learn & Educate yourself.
⚫ Create a Strategy.
⚫ Focus on analysis.
⚫ Be careful with Risk management.

[o48o]

x10 is a very big profit, even x2 is very good because it doubles your capital, not many markets are able to give you such a profit. But it is very important how you can take advantage of this opportunity, and how much capital you invest, because if you buy 1000 dollars worth of bitcoin, then in the end when you can double your investment it will be only 2k, that's not so much, or even if you succeed on a new bull market and you get x10, then it will be only 10k, which is already better, but still very small.

And imagine if you invested not 1k but 10k, how much would it increase your potential profit, and if the amount is 50k, or 100k. Therefore, having good capital, one cycle may be enough to become a wealthy person, there are always opportunities, you just need to be able to use it.

Saying "have more start money to invest" isn't really constructive advice. Investing $10k if you have only $1k to invest isn't a missed opportunity. It's a bad advice.

Everyone start with something they have, so you need to plan around on that.
I've seen people making millions by starting with $500. You just don't usually do it with hodling one coin but keep making more by cashing out soon enough and changing the projects and raising your capital slowly.

Sure it needs lots of research and work and ton of luck to succeed. But you would need way more luck just finding the one project making you rich.


 

[Wind_FURY]

No one considered that the most you can profit from a short position is 1x of the amount you used for short selling.

To illustrate, if the trader has $1,000 in his account and wanted to use 10x leverage - $10,000 - to short something priced at $100, then the highest amount the trader could take profit is $10,000 IF the coin crashed to zero. The only reason why there's a potential to profit 10x of the original capital is because of leverage, NOT because there's an exponential return.

[TheUltraElite]

Which is the same story as always, on paper it is very easy to imagine that if you just buy at the bottom and sell at the top then the profits you can get will be huge, but once you try to put your strategy into practice then things get way more complicated to the point that the perfect strategy that you envisioned crumbles under duress and you are forced once again to think about what you are doing wrong before creating yet another strategy.

Maintaining an Excel sheet for buying points help keep track of those numbers at a glance and then you can plan your selling points without doing too much calculation. Buying low and selling high seeme easy but the tough part is keeping this data and keeping patience in between the cycles in order to keep the profit margins maximized. Exit your positions at a good profit but don't expect profits to come in everyday.

In any type of trading other than spot trading the trader has to take a chance and thus the risk is higher. If you are up for gambling with your money, go for it. But remember that most of the newbie traders get trapped in it unable to make it out.

[rat03gopoh]

And imagine if you invested not 1k but 10k, how much would it increase your potential profit, and if the amount is 50k, or 100k. Therefore, having good capital, one cycle may be enough to become a wealthy person, there are always opportunities, you just need to be able to use it.

Remember that the crypto market fluctuates a lot and the op's initiative is to collect those profits in trading short time frames, it is actually not impossible if in the futures market. There are only important points:

• the shorter the trading term, the greater the emotional impulse.
• the smaller the capital with a high profit target, the higher the leverage used must be

[Mr.right85]

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

You just don't.
I think the closest way to any assurances is, joild you have been on the team to have developed and sold such shit coin but still, you would be tagged a scammer and the law might find you some day.
If there are any assurances on selling short or having a definite time to sell and make 10x or 100x, a lot of crypto investors would have been $millionaires and $billionaires.

The later is the case and so, a trier on what we feel we know or appeals to is is wall we've got and a good enough place to start.
Still, I wouldn't recommend a beginner to be up and about altcoins. Bitcoin would serve you more, buying and holding on a long term.

[dunfida]

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

You just don't.
I think the closest way to any assurances is, joild you have been on the team to have developed and sold such shit coin but still, you would be tagged a scammer and the law might find you some day.
If there are any assurances on selling short or having a definite time to sell and make 10x or 100x, a lot of crypto investors would have been $millionaires and $billionaires.

The later is the case and so, a trier on what we feel we know or appeals to is is wall we've got and a good enough place to start.
Still, I wouldn't recommend a beginner to be up and about altcoins. Bitcoin would serve you more, buying and holding on a long term.

You just cant easily be able to make such multiplier and the most common approach for those people who do really mind off about getting those potential x10 on their investment or more is on the time that they would

really be touching up meme coin investment on which you would really be able to find out these things neither on dexview,dexscrener or poocoin or whatever dexes out there which this is the most common place on which these new coins would really be ending up into or firstly listed. When we do speak about solid projects then it would really be that no simple on choosing one because we cant really be able to be so sure
on which one. This is when your analysis and knowledge would be kicking in and this is something that do really differs into each person.

There are really people who cant really just wait up for too long for them to get profits and this is why people would really be having those thoughts on going into the other path.

[Synchronice]

Hi there is a lot of talk about finding opportunities to make a x10 or a x100.

But I think it is easier to make a x10 by selling short...any tips to get the best ROI possible by selling short?

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

It's the dumbest thing to use leverage as high as x10 or x100 and open short position on futures, it's just the dumbest thing to do in the world. By using x10 leverage, in case prices increases by 10 percent, you are going to lose all of your money and with x100 leverage, in case price increases by 1%, you are going to lose all money. While it's true that in case prices decreases by 10 percent or even more, you are going to make enormous profit, your timing should be perfect and there is a very low chance one can be that lucky. In the best case, you may succeed with x10 leverage but your timing should be perfect again. Personally, I wouldn't risk with more than x2 or x3 leverage because you have to keep in mind that sometimes exchanges manipulate with futures trading to liquidate assets. You can open Binance and see that sometimes on futures trading, enormously prices increase or decrease, is not on par with spot trading and then after some minutes, it stabilizes. This is the time when your assets will get liquidated, that's why you shouldn't risk with more than x2 or x3 leverage.

[Peanutswar]

Hi there is a lot of talk about finding opportunities to make a x10 or a x100.

But I think it is easier to make a x10 by selling short...any tips to get the best ROI possible by selling short?

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

People are good in position only for buy. Sometimes they are good at selling at short in the market, if you have knowledge in technical analysis and keep updated with the news related to the coin you want to trade there's always a better opportunity to take profit. For example one of the exchange have an issue for sure there's a chance that their coin will go down, and this is a good opportunity to make a position for selling and buy back when it comes to the dip of the market. Sometimes people hope they get instant millionaires how? by hunting a shitcoins small investments makes you get more profit instantly if the people keep buying and that's the time you make take profit. Grab the opportunity and be first than others.

[rozak]

Hi there is a lot of talk about finding opportunities to make a x10 or a x100.

But I think it is easier to make a x10 by selling short...any tips to get the best ROI possible by selling short?

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

People are good in position only for buy. Sometimes they are good at selling at short in the market, if you have knowledge in technical analysis and keep updated with the news related to the coin you want to trade there's always a better opportunity to take profit. For example one of the exchange have an issue for sure there's a chance that their coin will go down, and this is a good opportunity to make a position for selling and buy back when it comes to the dip of the market. Sometimes people hope they get instant millionaires how? by hunting a shitcoins small investments makes you get more profit instantly if the people keep buying and that's the time you make take profit. Grab the opportunity and be first than others.

there's nothing like it, though it's possible for someone with experience in looking at shitcoin projects to do it. but it's too risky if shitcoin suddenly disappears from the market. don't we also see quite a lot of hype shitcoins in the community and suddenly destroyed when they were just registered. be careful if you want to put our money in shitcoin. to be honest it's too risky even though we use small money. after all none of them could become rich in a very short time.

[fauzan Ichsan]

Hi there is a lot of talk about finding opportunities to make a x10 or a x100.

But I think it is easier to make a x10 by selling short...any tips to get the best ROI possible by selling short?

How can I know which coins would have earned me x10 if I had sold short in the last few months?

People are good in position only for buy. Sometimes they are good at selling at short in the market, if you have knowledge in technical analysis and keep updated with the news related to the coin you want to trade there's always a better opportunity to take profit. For example one of the exchange have an issue for sure there's a chance that their coin will go down, and this is a good opportunity to make a position for selling and buy back when it comes to the dip of the market. Sometimes people hope they get instant millionaires how? by hunting a shitcoins small investments makes you get more profit instantly if the people keep buying and that's the time you make take profit. Grab the opportunity and be first than others.

there's nothing like it, though it's possible for someone with experience in looking at shitcoin projects to do it. but it's too risky if shitcoin suddenly disappears from the market. don't we also see quite a lot of hype shitcoins in the community and suddenly destroyed when they were just registered. be careful if you want to put our money in shitcoin. to be honest it's too risky even though we use small money. after all none of them could become rich in a very short time.

if we realize that shitcoin is too risky, and a little capital is also not wise, then if we have personal analysis and are interested in investing in new projects then what we can use is pocket money or fuel money, so even if we lose it we think we are snacking. I normally allocate this money aside from profits and it is really free money that we intend to snack on. that way it won't damage our psychology if it doesn't match expectations, because we know from the start the percentage for a big scam on this shitcoin

[beerlover]

It's the dumbest thing to use leverage as high as x10 or x100 and open short position on futures, it's just the dumbest thing to do in the world. By using x10 leverage, in case prices increases by 10 percent, you are going to lose all of your money and with x100 leverage, in case price increases by 1%, you are going to lose all money. While it's true that in case prices decreases by 10 percent or even more, you are going to make enormous profit, your timing should be perfect and there is a very low chance one can be that lucky. In the best case, you may succeed with x10 leverage but your timing should be perfect again. Personally, I wouldn't risk with more than x2 or x3 leverage because you have to keep in mind that sometimes exchanges manipulate with futures trading to liquidate assets. You can open Binance and see that sometimes on futures trading, enormously prices increase or decrease, is not on par with spot trading and then after some minutes, it stabilizes. This is the time when your assets will get liquidated, that's why you shouldn't risk with more than x2 or x3 leverage.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who do that, why do they do that? I have no idea but we all know that they are still doing it. Leverage is a very risky business and we need to realize that it is going to hurt a lot of people and we need to move away from that as quickly as possible as well.

If we keep on trusting that bitcoin will be going up or down for sure and we end up with an investment like that, we are not going to be happy about the result, we need to just realize that's not possible anymore. If you think you are 100% certain that you know which direction bitcoin will go enough to do a 100x leverage trade, you either have to be amazing at trading, or you are going to lose all your money very quickly, that's not that smart.

[stomachgrowls]

It's the dumbest thing to use leverage as high as x10 or x100 and open short position on futures, it's just the dumbest thing to do in the world. By using x10 leverage, in case prices increases by 10 percent, you are going to lose all of your money and with x100 leverage, in case price increases by 1%, you are going to lose all money. While it's true that in case prices decreases by 10 percent or even more, you are going to make enormous profit, your timing should be perfect and there is a very low chance one can be that lucky. In the best case, you may succeed with x10 leverage but your timing should be perfect again. Personally, I wouldn't risk with more than x2 or x3 leverage because you have to keep in mind that sometimes exchanges manipulate with futures trading to liquidate assets. You can open Binance and see that sometimes on futures trading, enormously prices increase or decrease, is not on par with spot trading and then after some minutes, it stabilizes. This is the time when your assets will get liquidated, that's why you shouldn't risk with more than x2 or x3 leverage.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who do that, why do they do that? I have no idea but we all know that they are still doing it. Leverage is a very risky business and we need to realize that it is going to hurt a lot of people and we need to move away from that as quickly as possible as well.

If we keep on trusting that bitcoin will be going up or down for sure and we end up with an investment like that, we are not going to be happy about the result, we need to just realize that's not possible anymore. If you think you are 100% certain that you know which direction bitcoin will go enough to do a 100x leverage trade, you either have to be amazing at trading, or you are going to lose all your money very quickly, that's not that smart.

We cant really just deny on the fact that there would really be those people who would really be having that kind of gambler like kind of act when it comes to investment on which it would really be just that normal that they

would really be having those considerations on taking up such step for them to invest and trade out despite of the high risks that they are getting involved into. Leverage on making use of 25x above or more is already
considered to be risky and its not something that i could really be affording on doing so.How much more into those max leverage using up 125x or more? Yes, it would really be that so much
rewarding if ever you would be able to get the right trade or position but we know that this market is unpredictable on which it would makes more even that riskier.

It isnt really t hat something recommended if we do speak about engaging with leverage or futures trading on huge one.If you dont mind then go ahead and proceed.

[savetheFORUM]

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who do that, why do they do that? I have no idea but we all know that they are still doing it. Leverage is a very risky business and we need to realize that it is going to hurt a lot of people and we need to move away from that as quickly as possible as well.

If we keep on trusting that bitcoin will be going up or down for sure and we end up with an investment like that, we are not going to be happy about the result, we need to just realize that's not possible anymore. If you think you are 100% certain that you know which direction bitcoin will go enough to do a 100x leverage trade, you either have to be amazing at trading, or you are going to lose all your money very quickly, that's not that smart.

That's why they say futures trading is not for beginners, it is done by those who are either too confident about their skills and experiences that they know the trade would go in their favor, or those who don't care if they lose the money because they know they can afford it, so they take such risks without thinking twice because they know that if they hit it, they will earn a lot of profit with only a small investment and if it doesn't work out, they will just lose their investment.

Most newbies make the mistake of doing futures trading by getting influenced by some so-called signal providers and use very high leverages only to end up getting liquidated and losing all their money in a single trade, these people don't know that those who are providing the signals can afford it while they can't.