Making a x10 or x100 by short selling

[Dr.Osh]

No one considered that the most you can profit from a short position is 1x of the amount you used for short selling.

To illustrate, if the trader has $1,000 in his account and wanted to use 10x leverage - $10,000 - to short something priced at $100, then the highest amount the trader could take profit is $10,000 IF the coin crashed to zero. The only reason why there's a potential to profit 10x of the original capital is because of leverage, NOT because there's an exponential return.

The OP said that it might be easier to make 10x shorting. well, I think he really hasn't gotten into trading yet. Even when we get 2x profits when short, it is a very good thing. it's not as easy as the OP said. in fact, it takes persistence for it, it's not even easy to get 2x when going short. In addition, many people who target short, get stuck and end up holding on long term because the price of the coin they are buying has dropped drastically. Imagine making $10k, with $1k in a short amount of time. well, I think if it was that easy, nowadays people tend to prefer trading over investing.

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[lixer]

No one considered that the most you can profit from a short position is 1x of the amount you used for short selling.

To illustrate, if the trader has $1,000 in his account and wanted to use 10x leverage - $10,000 - to short something priced at $100, then the highest amount the trader could take profit is $10,000 IF the coin crashed to zero. The only reason why there's a potential to profit 10x of the original capital is because of leverage, NOT because there's an exponential return.

The OP said that it might be easier to make 10x shorting. well, I think he really hasn't gotten into trading yet. Even when we get 2x profits when short, it is a very good thing. it's not as easy as the OP said. in fact, it takes persistence for it, it's not even easy to get 2x when going short. In addition, many people who target short, get stuck and end up holding on long term because the price of the coin they are buying has dropped drastically. Imagine making $10k, with $1k in a short amount of time. well, I think if it was that easy, nowadays people tend to prefer trading over investing.

One can simply not hold if they are trading in futures, they will either get profit or get liquidated if the market moves in the opposite direction based on what leverage they have selected for their trade, so it's obviously not easy to get 10x in futures trading, even the ones who are experts of the market tend to lose money when it comes to short futures trading because it is very difficult to perfectly time the market in these kind of situations.

Futures trading is basically not for users who have no knowledge or experience at all, newbies need to stay away from futures trading because they will easily lose all their capital in no time if they just get influenced and start trading futures so that they get a lot of profit in a short period of time.

[stomachgrowls]

No one considered that the most you can profit from a short position is 1x of the amount you used for short selling.

To illustrate, if the trader has $1,000 in his account and wanted to use 10x leverage - $10,000 - to short something priced at $100, then the highest amount the trader could take profit is $10,000 IF the coin crashed to zero. The only reason why there's a potential to profit 10x of the original capital is because of leverage, NOT because there's an exponential return.

The OP said that it might be easier to make 10x shorting. well, I think he really hasn't gotten into trading yet. Even when we get 2x profits when short, it is a very good thing. it's not as easy as the OP said. in fact, it takes persistence for it, it's not even easy to get 2x when going short. In addition, many people who target short, get stuck and end up holding on long term because the price of the coin they are buying has dropped drastically. Imagine making $10k, with $1k in a short amount of time. well, I think if it was that easy, nowadays people tend to prefer trading over investing.

One can simply not hold if they are trading in futures, they will either get profit or get liquidated if the market moves in the opposite direction based on what leverage they have selected for their trade, so it's obviously not easy to get 10x in futures trading, even the ones who are experts of the market tend to lose money when it comes to short futures trading because it is very difficult to perfectly time the market in these kind of situations.

Futures trading is basically not for users who have no knowledge or experience at all, newbies need to stay away from futures trading because they will easily lose all their capital in no time if they just get influenced and start trading futures so that they get a lot of profit in a short period of time.

Going past 10x in leverage or futures trading is already risky or i shall say that it would really be that already a gamble because having that 25x or 125x or more then it would really be totally risky and its true that even on

slightest movement then we do know that higher the risks on getting liquidated. It is really that surprising that there were even some noobs who do really be able to dive in with futures trading without having that sufficient experience and knowledge on spot trading on which you could really be able to laugh on what the heck they've been doing on this very risky field? Even myself had been able to trade for too long but i havent touched up on trading with futures on which i do know and able to see on how it would easily fucked you up on short time.

Yes, when it comes to potential income or profit then you could actually able to reach it out if the market would really go along on what you have predicted and not the opposite.
It is really just that there are people who are really that risks takers on whose they do really love on touching up this area despite of the risks.
So its personal choice whether you would really be pushing it through or not.

[wxa7115]

One can simply not hold if they are trading in futures, they will either get profit or get liquidated if the market moves in the opposite direction based on what leverage they have selected for their trade, so it's obviously not easy to get 10x in futures trading, even the ones who are experts of the market tend to lose money when it comes to short futures trading because it is very difficult to perfectly time the market in these kind of situations.

Futures trading is basically not for users who have no knowledge or experience at all, newbies need to stay away from futures trading because they will easily lose all their capital in no time if they just get influenced and start trading futures so that they get a lot of profit in a short period of time.

It could be argued that even good traders need to stay away from futures trading, and this is because the risk taken is simply too high, one of the ways traders have to protect themselves and the capital on their accounts is by using a tight stop loss and by using a small position size when they trade.

But futures trading compounds the risk you are taking many times over by forcing you to reduce those safety measures, and when combined with the extreme volatility we see on the markets a single bad trade can be enough to get your account liquidated, and this means the margin of error while trading in this way is minimal.

[nur rochid]

One can simply not hold if they are trading in futures, they will either get profit or get liquidated if the market moves in the opposite direction based on what leverage they have selected for their trade, so it's obviously not easy to get 10x in futures trading, even the ones who are experts of the market tend to lose money when it comes to short futures trading because it is very difficult to perfectly time the market in these kind of situations.

Futures trading is basically not for users who have no knowledge or experience at all, newbies need to stay away from futures trading because they will easily lose all their capital in no time if they just get influenced and start trading futures so that they get a lot of profit in a short period of time.

It could be argued that even good traders need to stay away from futures trading, and this is because the risk taken is simply too high, one of the ways traders have to protect themselves and the capital on their accounts is by using a tight stop loss and by using a small position size when they trade.

But futures trading compounds the risk you are taking many times over by forcing you to reduce those safety measures, and when combined with the extreme volatility we see on the markets a single bad trade can be enough to get your account liquidated, and this means the margin of error while trading in this way is minimal.

in futures trading requires maximum skill, considering this is not allowed to try, or we will regret it later. gradual learning, discipline, and qualified psychology must be applied. therefore it is difficult for us to immediately jump into this trade without learning first. it's different with long-term investments where we choose bitcoin to invest, just waiting for the bull run to come, even if you have minimal knowledge it will be safe to invest, as long as you can hold it

[justdimin]

No one considered that the most you can profit from a short position is 1x of the amount you used for short selling.

To illustrate, if the trader has $1,000 in his account and wanted to use 10x leverage - $10,000 - to short something priced at $100, then the highest amount the trader could take profit is $10,000 IF the coin crashed to zero. The only reason why there's a potential to profit 10x of the original capital is because of leverage, NOT because there's an exponential return.

The OP said that it might be easier to make 10x shorting. well, I think he really hasn't gotten into trading yet. Even when we get 2x profits when short, it is a very good thing. it's not as easy as the OP said. in fact, it takes persistence for it, it's not even easy to get 2x when going short. In addition, many people who target short, get stuck and end up holding on long term because the price of the coin they are buying has dropped drastically. Imagine making $10k, with $1k in a short amount of time. well, I think if it was that easy, nowadays people tend to prefer trading over investing.

That's true, nobody that knows crypto would think that it's simple, it's one of the hardest things ever and only a fool would think that it would make sense. I believe that it's not going to be easy at all and we shouldn't really be worried about it neither. Life is not that simple and it's going to cause a lot of people to make mistakes because of it.

People may not believe the same things you believe in, but that doesn't mean that we should respect every single opinion, like this one that doesn't make sense. Shorting is very hard and if you do a x10 shorting that means you can't be wrong too much, if it goes even just a bit higher, then you are going to lose all your money. I hope that it gets easier but shorting will never be easy.

[beerlover]

The OP said that it might be easier to make 10x shorting. well, I think he really hasn't gotten into trading yet. Even when we get 2x profits when short, it is a very good thing. it's not as easy as the OP said. in fact, it takes persistence for it, it's not even easy to get 2x when going short. In addition, many people who target short, get stuck and end up holding on long term because the price of the coin they are buying has dropped drastically. Imagine making $10k, with $1k in a short amount of time. well, I think if it was that easy, nowadays people tend to prefer trading over investing.

That's true, nobody that knows crypto would think that it's simple, it's one of the hardest things ever and only a fool would think that it would make sense. I believe that it's not going to be easy at all and we shouldn't really be worried about it neither. Life is not that simple and it's going to cause a lot of people to make mistakes because of it.

People may not believe the same things you believe in, but that doesn't mean that we should respect every single opinion, like this one that doesn't make sense. Shorting is very hard and if you do a x10 shorting that means you can't be wrong too much, if it goes even just a bit higher, then you are going to lose all your money. I hope that it gets easier but shorting will never be easy.

I agree, it is not going to be simple and nothing is that simple at all. Having a 10x short or even 100x which is already beyond logical, is just a fools move if you are not an expert trader. Some people, very rarely, could do it and make money because they are experts at what they do, but they are experts so that makes sense, they spent decades on trading platforms and they have studied it and have advanced level of math.

This means that if you are not going to end up with a trouble, then you are going to end up with no profit as well. If you are careful and if you are timid that's not going to work but that doesn't mean you should be making wrong moves neither, just be careful and you should be making a bigger profit.

[wxa7115]

That's true, nobody that knows crypto would think that it's simple, it's one of the hardest things ever and only a fool would think that it would make sense. I believe that it's not going to be easy at all and we shouldn't really be worried about it neither. Life is not that simple and it's going to cause a lot of people to make mistakes because of it.

People may not believe the same things you believe in, but that doesn't mean that we should respect every single opinion, like this one that doesn't make sense. Shorting is very hard and if you do a x10 shorting that means you can't be wrong too much, if it goes even just a bit higher, then you are going to lose all your money. I hope that it gets easier but shorting will never be easy.

The only other scenario I can think about which could explain why someone may believe that trading in this way is easy is if they got lucky on their first trades and they made some money, and instead of assuming themselves to be incredibly lucky to obtain those profits they somehow think this was the product of their amazing skills.

But we know better, trading is hard, short selling is harder, and short selling a market which has the tendency to experiment long bull markets is even harder.

[Oilacris]

That's true, nobody that knows crypto would think that it's simple, it's one of the hardest things ever and only a fool would think that it would make sense. I believe that it's not going to be easy at all and we shouldn't really be worried about it neither. Life is not that simple and it's going to cause a lot of people to make mistakes because of it.

People may not believe the same things you believe in, but that doesn't mean that we should respect every single opinion, like this one that doesn't make sense. Shorting is very hard and if you do a x10 shorting that means you can't be wrong too much, if it goes even just a bit higher, then you are going to lose all your money. I hope that it gets easier but shorting will never be easy.

The only other scenario I can think about which could explain why someone may believe that trading in this way is easy is if they got lucky on their first trades and they made some money, and instead of assuming themselves to be incredibly lucky to obtain those profits they somehow think this was the product of their amazing skills.

But we know better, training is hard, short selling is harder, and short selling a market which has the tendency to experiment long bull markets is even harder.

On the time that you would be making those profits on your initial trades then it would really be normal that you would really be having that kind of impression that trading is really just that easy. On the

time that it would happens on which your confidence is already that high and neglected out on following on what are the things that must follow then this is where mistakes and errors would happen
and losses would come next in line. In because of pursuing on trying out to make 10x or 100x then these are the reasons on which it would really be pushing you to trade more and would be acting
like a gambler who would really be that desperate when it comes to their trading decisions which its not something recommended.

Trading is really involved with lots of trial and errors on which it is really just that right that you should really be mindful on what are those realistic things which needed up with some
realistic approach and dont make yourself that too desperate because this is where mistakes do usually come from.

[Flexystar]

No one considered that the most you can profit from a short position is 1x of the amount you used for short selling.

To illustrate, if the trader has $1,000 in his account and wanted to use 10x leverage - $10,000 - to short something priced at $100, then the highest amount the trader could take profit is $10,000 IF the coin crashed to zero. The only reason why there's a potential to profit 10x of the original capital is because of leverage, NOT because there's an exponential return.

The OP said that it might be easier to make 10x shorting. well, I think he really hasn't gotten into trading yet. Even when we get 2x profits when short, it is a very good thing. it's not as easy as the OP said. in fact, it takes persistence for it, it's not even easy to get 2x when going short. In addition, many people who target short, get stuck and end up holding on long term because the price of the coin they are buying has dropped drastically. Imagine making $10k, with $1k in a short amount of time. well, I think if it was that easy, nowadays people tend to prefer trading over investing.

It’s time stop thinking right and left when it comes trading or even investing your money because we need to think 360 degree. All the angle and all the bumpy rides along the way.

Chasing a dream of high profits in short period of time? Then just sleep on the couch and start dreaming about it because that is where one can achieve it. In real world things do not work like that but just the opposite. You need to have high level of plans with your investment and good skill set while trading the money.

It’s far better one think this through and do not day dream about such risky profits.