What's Wrong with Roger Ver? ::)

[John Abraham]

For those, Who Don't know who Roger Ver is,

Mr. Roger Ver is An early adopter of the first digital currency, he integrated Bitcoin payments into Memorydealers.com, allowing customers to make payments in Bitcoin. By moving to collect Bitcoin in its earliest days, when each coin was valued at under $1, Ver amassed a total collection of more than 400,000 bitcoins by some estimates. In the process of spreading the word about Bitcoin, it's likely that Ver reduced his collection through payments and funding projects.

Ver's financial support helped a number of popular Bitcoin projects and startups launch. He was an early investor in the now-defunct BitInstant, the company founded by Bitcoin millionaire and ex-convict Charlie Shrem.

Ver was also an early investor in a number of related blockchain projects, including Kraken, purse.io, Blockchain.com, and Ripple. In 2012, Ver launched Bitcoinstore.com, offering thousands of items for sale with customers allowed to transact in Bitcoin.^[1]

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?


[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

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[dzungmobile]

Mr. Roger Ver is An early adopter of the first digital currency

Bitcoin is not the first digital currency. Before Bitcoin, Digicash, Cybercash, E-gold, Hashcash.
Bitcoin Prehistory Tree
Saylor.org Academy. Bitcoin Prehistory

he integrated Bitcoin payments into Memorydealers.com

He has one account in Bitcointalk. MemoryDealers

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

He tried to scam investors in 2017. To newcomers: make sure when you buy bitcoin you are buying bitcoin!

Code:

https://www.bitcoin.com/

Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20190428084027/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

[hugeblack]

What is wrong with that as you have defined it Roger Ver is considered an early adopter, he is an investor looking for profit and not like Satoshi or programmer or influencer in the bitcoin industry.
When he endorsed Bitcoin Cash in 2017, he was trying to destroy Bitcoin to create money for his new investment and I even think he was the reason for the fee increase at the end of that year.
Now he is convinced that Bitcoin Cash has become useless, and therefore he is looking for a new investment that may support Ethereum to prove that BitcoinCash is the best.

This is if we ignore all scam claims pending with the wrong use of bitcoin.com

[nutildah]

Meh, he says a lot of wacky things. I wouldn't really pay any attention to him. Just wish the media would finally stop referring to him as "Bitcoin Jesus."

As other mentioned with Bitcoin Cash, he's already expended all the goodwill he may have had with the community by trying to con people into believing BCH was Bitcoin. Its not, he lost the hash war and his coin is always on the precipice of a 51% attack. Admittedly I like that it has low fees but most exchanges require several confirmations before they will credit your account with it and its simply not a "store of value."

[SamReomo]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

That guy is a true investor and businessman and he has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If any crypto-currency is useful for him he will turn into it and give up on Bitcoin. His decision of moving from Bitcoin to Bitcoin cash proved the thing that the guy is not a Bitcoin enthusiast but a businessman who invests in all those projects that allow him to earn enough profits.

He's only done a good thing by adopting Bitcoin in its early days but I'm sure he's already sold most of his holdings in year 2013-2014, and now when he knows that he hasn't enough of the crypto-currency in his holdings, he turned into other projects. This time going with ETH proves that his holdings are mostly in that crypto-currency and he would love it to reach all time high in this coming bull market.

I don't think that Buterin has any thing with this guy, he's doing it to gain profits because he's most probably holding thousands of ETH right now and he wants to earn as much profit from the holdings as he possibly can. I'm also thinking that the guy might favor Bitcoin cash once again in future because he definitely holds many units of that digital currency as well.

[franky1]

ethereum is not the path to mass adoption

the simple reason is this
if you look at the ethereum market price chart. and look at the shape of the wiggle.. ethereum emulates bitcoins movements and a 1:14 ratio
this is because although there is media hype about ethereum token features there is not actual UTILITY of them. its just a bunch of scammers selling valueless tokens and leaving people holding a bag of useless tokens at the end of the day.

if ethereum had its own wide community it would then also have its own 'price discovery', volatility and speculation meaning none of the pump or dumps or the spikes and dips would match bitcoins movements

however because ethereum market does emulate bitcoins movements at a 1:14 rate, its clear to see the majority of ethereum trades are actually bitcoin traders doing arbitrage via btc-usd-eth-btc and vice versa to cycle trades.

example of screenshots today

[Smartprofit]

I feel bad for Roger Ver....

He used to be a well-known bitcoin evangelist.  It was even called Bitcoin - Jesus. 

However, in 2017, Roger Ver, along with Jihan Wu, organized an aggressive attack on the Bitcoin network.  They (Roger Ver and Jihan Wu) promoted an alternative cryptocurrency - Bitcoin Cash, claiming that it is the real Bitcoin. 

However, this was a blatant lie.  Also during this time, the Bitcoin network was being spammed with small transactions, which slowed it down.  In the fall of 2017, the price of Bitcoin Cash reached 0.5 BTC.  This was the end result of this scam. 

After that, the price of Bitcoin Cash dropped. 

I don't know why Roger Ver is now promoting the Ethereum coin.  As far as I know, they have a very good personal relationship with Vitalik Buterin.

[Awaklara]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

Buterin wasn't going to do that, he was just throwing out an opinion. if that's a fact I don't think many people will care about it. the whales in the marketplace would not be swayed by his ramblings. who was hoping something would happen in the market because of his rambling.
maybe the situation would have been different if Elon had said it all. although I also don't believe there will be any impact on the market or the price of Ethereum.

[Lucius]

Nothing is wrong with Roger Ver, but it is with people who still wonder why he is not what he was in the past. I and anyone who has a smarter job in life certainly don't care what he promotes at the moment, because we know that he supports anyone who pays enough.

What we do know is that he is a simple traitor, and also not very intelligent when he thought that he and his little communists could destroy Bitcoin with their useless fork. With these new statements, it only shows how much he understands what he's talking about, because that shitcoin he's talking about is an ordinary inflated story that's worth even less after it moved to POS.

[OgNasty]

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?


[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

I don't think anything is wrong with Roger Ver.  I think this Ordinals situation has shined light down upon the shortcomings of BTC to a new audience that may have believed the propaganda that Roger was a bad guy trying to destroy Bitcoin.  Now people are starting to see that it was Blockstream that were the bad actors trying to give their scaling solution an advantage that is now being exploited by others to demonstrate it's ineffectiveness.  Roger, seeing this and knowing BCH will never overtake Bitcoin, has instead focused his eye on an investment that the overall community is accepting, Ethereum.

Roger was one of the early supporters of Ethereum and bought a ton of mining equipment early on to mine it upon release.  I'm sure he has a TON of Ethereum, so it's not like him pumping his own bags is a display of something wrong with him.  More likely he feels that the market has now demonstrated Lightning is shit and not the scaling solution it's supporters pretend it to be, so he feels vindicated and is ready to stop fighting and start building again somewhere with less hate.

[Learn Bitcoin]

That guy is a true investor and businessman and he has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If any crypto-currency is useful for him he will turn into it and give up on Bitcoin. His decision of moving from Bitcoin to Bitcoin cash proved the thing that the guy is not a Bitcoin enthusiast but a businessman who invests in all those projects that allow him to earn enough profits.

Would you mind if I call him a scammer? Because he tried to make, people believe that Bitcoin Cash is Real Bitcoin. People with such a mindset cannot be trusted at all. A guy who tries to manipulate others and guide them to the wrong path for his own profit is not a true investor or a businessman. It proved that he didn't understand what is he talking about. A Coin/Token which doesn't have a limit of supply and no proof of work, How can it be a front-runner in driving worldwide adoption? ETH is a centralized coin. ETH developers can increase its supply to infinite. How are people supposed to trust ETH?

[thecodebear]

Ver has been a joke since 2017. I don't think anyone cares what he says these days. He gave up on the idea of strong money for humanity and decided trying to scam people was more to his liking.

[ImThour]

He is following the money. Money is currently in DeFi and shitcoins. So he wants to follow the money and make some money, nothing special in that.
He literally adopted Bitcoin when you didn't even think about it, so let's give him some room. He deserves respect for adopting early and him adopting Ethereum is a signal for many.

[odolvlobo]

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]
What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

What's wrong with his statement? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. He might be right. He might be wrong. We will see.

BTW, have you noticed how more and more people are referring to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? That should tell you something.

Anyway, loyalty to a cryptocurrency is stupid.

[drwhobox]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

Ver is cearly a businessman and a business doesn't care about bitcoin. There is nothing wrong with him. Bitcoin is established so he doesn't need to vouch for bitcoin.
He is a investor and it is common that a investor and businessman of his caliber will only talk about where he gets benifited from. Roger ver is now invested hi money into ETH and that is why he is vouching for Vuterin or ETH.

[Die_empty]

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

Mr. Roger Ver has the freedom to express his views about cryptocurrency. He might have been a strong supporter of bitcoin in the past but he has changed his beliefs. Maybe he knows what we don't know and vice versa. It could also be that he has been influenced to promote ETH because of some financial benefits. Even Bible Judas betrayed Jesus he called his Lord and Messiah, therefore what Ver did is not new. From his history, Roger is driven by greed and selfishness which was why he lost the wealth he acquired. I am sure that if he still owns the 400,000 bitcoin he lost, he wouldn't have made these comments. He is broke and looking for where to earn some money. Only time will justify if his position is true or false.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Mr. Roger Ver has the freedom to express his views about cryptocurrency. He might have been a strong supporter of bitcoin in the past but he has changed his beliefs. Maybe he knows what we don't know and vice versa. It could also be that he has been influenced to promote ETH because of some financial benefits. Even Bible Judas betrayed Jesus he called his Lord and Messiah, therefore what Ver did is not new. From his history, Roger is driven by greed and selfishness which was why he lost the wealth he acquired. I am sure that if he still owns the 400,000 bitcoin he lost, he wouldn't have made these comments. He is broke and looking for where to earn some money. Only time will justify if his position is true or false.

We have the freedom too to call him shit. We don't care if someone is loyal to Bitcoin or not. Let's say Roger talks about a coin that has a supply limit and proof of work where they cannot create a coin out of thin air. It's not like there are no coins like Bitcoin. Take Litecoin for example; he could have vouch for that. But, No. He is not holding any Litecoin. So there is no profit touching for Litecoin. The same thing goes for Bitcoin as well. I don't think he owns more than a few Satoshi since 2016. Now he started talking shit and the media covers his shit talk.

[John Abraham]

What's wrong with his statement? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. He might be right. He might be wrong. We will see.

You seem to want to vouch for Roger Ver. no? It's not reasonable at all. Yeah. We will find out.

BTW, have you noticed how more and more people are referring to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? That should tell you something.

If someone is stupid enough not to understand what Gwei and Satoshi are, That's their problem. It's not mine. By the way, Do you have the statistics on how many people refer to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? I did not find it harmful. They are basically ETH people trying to learn Bitcoin and referring to it as "gas". Or maybe not. Who knows?

Anyway, loyalty to a cryptocurrency is stupid.

I don't expect anyone to be loyal to a specific cryptocurrency. But I love to see people use the right coin. Why would I vouch for a centralized coin with no proof of work? They can create an infinite amount of coins out of thin air. Did you forget what happened during the Terra Luna Crash? They Increased their supply until it became zero. Why would I trust Vitalik?

The Fun Fact is, His forum.bitcoin.com has no post in 2023. The last post was made in 2022.
Another Fun Fact; I have never seen a active flag which theymos opposed which Roger Ver has ; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=10310

[bittraffic]

Ver will say hust about anything to make the BTC developer feel regretful as if he is telling 'I told you so'.
Hence the creation of BTC Cash was because of that scaling and sizing. Ver is making noise since, he owns a BTC forum once which wasn't very active and lost the competition with bitcointalk.

ETH is widely adopted than BTC alright but BTC is still the safest and most priced cryptocurrency that is not deem security by the regulators.

[pooya87]

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

Well that's an understatement!
He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

We have to wait and see but considering his history, he may be brewing another scam to rip many newbies off.
Specially since to this day nobody has said anything remotely positive about the biggest scam of cryptocurrency market without having a personal benefit in it.