What's Wrong with Roger Ver? ::)

[Cuenta Alternativa]

I feel bad for Roger Ver....

I don't because I remember him from the time when I registered on the forum (with my main account) and before that I was interested in bitcoin. The reasons have already been stated, not only did he raise and lose a war, worst of all he tricked people into thinking they were buying bitcoin when they were actually buying shitcoin.

I feel bad for people who have bad luck or things like that, not for those who dig their own grave. And anyway, rest assured he's not going to starve, I just looked it up and he has a net worth of $550 million.

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[Not your key not your BTC]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

What wrong with us? Why we talking unimportant person?. Roger is always get paid on his way, don't washing the time with him.

[davis196]

Roger Ver helped in the early days of Bitcoin adoption, but later on, he believed that scaling is the biggest problem of Bitcoin and tried to create his own version of Bitcoin, that would solve the scaling issue(and failed miserably). He's more like an opportunist rather than a believer.
Like many forum members have already stated, Ver is more like a businessman and investor, rather than a Bitcoin developer.
I highly doubt that Vitalik Buterin would pay Roger Ver for vouching crypto projects. Ver has little to no authority in the crypto world, after he lost the scaling war in 2017. Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH.

[worle1bm]

Why do we care about what he say when he has nothing to do with bitcoin at all? He has tried people to support his coin but the word is simply make them fool for personal profits and let him speak what he says about ETH.He has also used his cheap tactics to promote some fake articles on his site about btc misrepresenting information about it but what happened to Bitcoin Cash ? Did it surpass btc or solve the problems he tried to do so? So according to me we should also not make these people talks a matter of discussion.

[dzungmobile]

Well that's an understatement!
He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!

He chose to shill Bitcoin Cash and tried to mislead people by using the name Bitcoin Core for Bitcoin. He claimed Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin, a big scammer. There are assumptions that Bitcoin Cash team stood behind the attack on Bitcoin network in 2017 and caused transaction fees rose to very expensive levels.

The website domain was chosen to help their scam too. Bitcoin [dot] com as if they call their coin is BitcoinCash, the website should be bitcoincash[dot]com.

Roger Ver did not stop with Bitcoin Cash and he continued with Azbit project with its bounty

You can see Roger Ver as an Azbit advisor at its azbit.com main page

[death69]

Mate, easy does it! Let's not ruffle our feathers just because the Bitcoin bigwig lobbed a compliment Ethereum's way. Merely because Roger Ver tipped his hat to Ethereum doesn't imply he's buckled into the Vitalik rollercoaster. He might just be conceding that Ethereum isn't merely living in Bitcoin's shadow anymore.

Think of Ethereum as the plucky, once-overlooked kin who's now stepping into the spotlight. It's loaded with brainy contracts and a sturdy playground for dapps - scoff not at this!

Bear in mind, in the wild frontier of crypto, diversity is a boon. Let's steer clear of a digital duel. Every cryptocurrency brings its charm to the crypto cocktail! Thus, be it Bitcoin or Ethereum you're betting on, safeguard those cyber golden geese!

[mindrust]

He is anti-bitcoin, pro-shitcoin since 2017. He isn't really into ethereum imo because his own failed project is also copying many of eth's features like token creation. He is favoring eth or any other altcoin just so he can badmouth bitcoin.  Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it. That's pretty much about him. A bitcoin Judas. His only motivation is to destroy bitcoin.

[Lucius]

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Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it.

Only for those who do not understand the manipulation they use to be the second largest, which is the fact that this shitcoin has a current circulating supply of 120 million tokens, with the fact that it is not even known what the max supply is. Even if they increase the max supply by 100% at this moment, at the current price, they would still be second.

That's pretty much about him. A bitcoin Judas. His only motivation is to destroy bitcoin.

He has no motivation to destroy Bitcoin, he is simply an ordinary leech that goes from one host to another and exploits it until it passes to another. Even if he wants to destroy Bitcoin, do you think such a slob has even a 1% chance of doing it?

[buwaytress]

Shame he left the forum, would have liked that extra plurality (where's the sarcasm emoji?).

Still not sure what Ver refers to when he says Bitcoin these days, because according to him, he's following the "real Bitcoin" (BCH), which keeps losing market share. He always thought this was an important indicator, and why Bitcoin was ded... he proved to be prophetic though, as his version of Bitcoin actually is (dead).

[mindrust]

Only for those who do not understand the manipulation they use to be the second largest, which is the fact that this shitcoin has a current circulating supply of 120 million tokens, with the fact that it is not even known what the max supply is. Even if they increase the max supply by 100% at this moment, at the current price, they would still be second.

Nobody cares about these stuff anymore. Ripple, which is a premined shitcoin and a security, has no right be in the list but it has been there for years anyway.

How did they manage this? Probably bribing the right people...

Where do they get the money? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why don't anybody talk about it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He has no motivation to destroy Bitcoin, he is simply an ordinary leech that goes from one host to another and exploits it until it passes to another. Even if he wants to destroy Bitcoin, do you think such a slob has even a 1% chance of doing it?

It is not always black and white. He surely has an interesting story. Andreas thanked him in his book and that surprised me when I saw it and he is one of the most hard core bitcoiners. Maybe RV was always like that but the community couldn't see through him or maybe he changed after some stuff happened.

Whatever it is, the guy is still rich af and that's what counts at the end of the day I guess.

I feel bad for Roger Ver....

Why? He is not living in poverty. He probably lived a life most of us won't in a 1000 years.

[Lucius]

Nobody cares about these stuff anymore. Ripple, which is a premined shitcoin and a security, has no right be in the list but it has been there for years anyway.

In order for you to care about something, you must first understand the difference between Bitcoin and everything else, and most people don't even understand the most important basics. As for the list (if you are referring to the marketcap), it is of course completely misleading in the sense that it leads people to think in a completely wrong way.

It is not always black and white. He surely has an interesting story. Andreas thanked him in his book and that surprised me when I saw it and he is one of the most hard core bitcoiners. Maybe RV was always like that but the community couldn't see through him or maybe he changed after some stuff happened.

As far as I'm concerned, the president of the US and the Pope of Rome can thank him, but that doesn't erase the fact that he's a devious, hypocritical and greedy bastard. Regardless of all the good you may have done in life, people will always remember the bad.

Whatever it is, the guy is still rich af and that's what counts at the end of the day I guess.

Maybe it means something to someone that he is rich, it means nothing to me personally. Even if he has ten times more money than now, does that make him a better person?

[pooya87]

Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH.

I don't think anybody ever really "supported" bcash. Just like Ver, as you pointed out, it was an opportunity that many people took advantage of to make some money. For example when the miners switched to bcash was because they had manipulated the difficulty adjustment rules and over a thousand blocks were being mined per day (instead of the normal ~144 blocks/day).

That's the thing with this new shenanigan. Nobody gives a crap about Ver but if some opportunists see a potential in his bullshit advertisement, it could suddenly become a pumping opportunity. Although so far ETH is dumping more than it can pump... despite the desperate pumping attempts...

[DeathAngel]

He likes attention, he’s potentially autistic or on some sort of spectrum. He tried to emancipate from his parents when he was a very young boy because he bought a car & they made him return it. He’s just a very odd guy, a classic narcissist. He probably still has lots of bitcoin but he has no power in a decentralised coin which is why he set up BCH & was part of the block size wars.

For those who don’t know, his account on this forum is:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10310

[odolvlobo]

I feel that there is a lot of undeserved scorn for Roger Ver.

I would bet that none of the persons responding in this thread has ever met him. I would also bet that most of the people responding to this thread were not even aware of Bitcoin when he was around. I would also bet that most people have not even bothered to read what he has written or listened to what he has said. Everything you know about him is second-hand, at best. It is said that it is the victors who write the history. Roger Ver was a big-blocker and he had very good reasons for his opinion, but the big-blockers lost the debate, and so now everything you hear about him is from people who were against him.

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles, when it was pretty clear that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

[nutildah]

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

None of us has done as much damage to Bitcoin as he has, either.

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles when it was pretty clear to everyone that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

He's greed-driven to the point of being a sociopath -- I thought this was pretty well established. He's the kind of person who will do or say anything to accumulate more money, at the expense of anyone else around him. It's simply not part of his brain to experience empathy, sympathy and shame the way most human beings do, which is part of what allowed him to become so "successful."

https://bitcoinist.com/roger-ver-antonopoulos-millionaire/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8h4dit/roger_ver_is_a_wellknown_scammer/
https://cryptoslate.com/coinflex-co-founder-accuses-roger-ver-of-betrayal-in-near-bankruptcy-saga/

The irony is Bitcoin Cash would probably be doing much better today if it had any other name without the word "Bitcoin" in it.

[adaseb]

Yeah been a few years since I heard his name. I remember he was selling memory chips and accepted Bitcoin at his store and basically held the Bitcoin until it became worth millions.

He was crazy during that Bitcoin cash and Bitcoin debate. No idea why he acted that way. He lost it on some of those interviews and then didn’t hear from him for years.

Very strange that he now is talking about ethereum however. Who knows maybe he knows deep down that Bitcoin cash was never going to replace Bitcoin.

[Lucius]

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The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

It's good to know that there are still people who consider him a kind of messiah, without whom Bitcoin would not be what it is today. I will say that I absolutely do not agree that he should be given so much credibility, regardless of the fact that he was one of the early adopters, but so was Gavin and many others who later turned out to be very naive people, to say the least.

None of us has done as much damage to Bitcoin as he has, either.
~snip~

Obviously, some don't think he has done significant damage when it comes to Bitcoin, but everyone is entitled to an opinion and it's good to share it publicly so others know how "worthless" they really are compared to people like Roger Ver.

[FinneysTrueVision]

The CryptoSlate article you cite is based on a YouTube interview Ver did. This YouTube video only has 1.4k views. It goes to show you how relevant Roger Ver is in 2023. Nobody cares what he has to say. He is bitter that Bitcoin did not go in the direction he wanted it to go so so he will say whatever to tear it down and will hype up any random altcoin. Remember when he was shilling Dash and Zcash? Neither of those coins have really gotten any kind of adoption. It is really sad to go from being one of the most prominent bitcoiners to becoming a laughingstock.

[Myleschetty]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?


[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

I don't think Vitalik Buterin paid him to vouch for ETH. You may not know that Roger Ver is the same breed as Craig Steven Wright the only difference is that Ver did not claim to be Satoshi as CSW.
He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

[tjtonmoy]

He's an investor and looking for ways to maximize his profits. Maybe he was unable to buy bitcoin some days back when it was at under $15k LOL. Now spreading this kind of words to make the market struggle, so he can fill up his bags again. Just saying tho. But the main reason could be to manipulate the market. The fact is still unsure.
But the thing is, it's his own personal choice, and he can say or do whatever he likes. Bitcoin is here to stay and it will. Influences makes so many comments like this, and we see a market movement. But the effect is temporary. I think there's no need to worry about it. We have seen a lot in the past and here we are. Bitcoin is still at the top, doing just fine.