How to disable Replace-by-fee

[ilib]

since 4.4.1 version there is no Replace-by-fee checkbox in Electrum settings. Who knows how to disable rbf? Bitpay requires rbf to be disabled. What happens if I ignore this requirement?

[Charles-Tim]

There are other wallets that you can disable RBF. You can use the one that do not support it too. If you import Electrum seed phrase on Bluewallet, the transaction you make from Bluewallet will not support RBF.

Likely because of the full RBF.

Let me quote these:

The  wallet's "Preferences"  have missed "Transactions" tab, so plenty of useful features like "Advanced preview ",  "Spend only confirmed coins" and so on are missing.

Those settings are moved to the settings icon in "New Transaction" window. (After clicking "Pay..." in the 'Send' tab)
For "Advanced Preview", just click 'Preview' instead of 'OK'.

I was searching for this yesterday, and couldn't find it. So thanks I didn't try that icon because I instantly clicked Preview.

One thing which is missing (or I cannot find it) is RBF switch. In the previous version I set switched off RBF, in config file (json) I see

Code:

"use_rbf": false

but when I prepare transaction RBF is enabled and I have no idea how to change it.

but when I prepare transaction RBF is enabled and I have no idea how to change it.

I guess that's part of the new Full RBF?

So, there are now 3 Settings-icons per transaction:
1.


2.


3.


That's not confusing at all

[nc50lc]

since 4.4.1 version there is no Replace-by-fee checkbox in Electrum settings. Who knows how to disable rbf?

The rbf setting and the relevant code were all removed from Electrum.
So there's no current way to disable it, forcing it in the config file is useless since it wont point to a valid setting.

Bitpay requires rbf to be disabled. What happens if I ignore this requirement?

AFAIK, for the wallet, it'll only mark it as RBF and show a warning that it can still be replaced by the sender.
I recommend to test it with a small amount first though.

For BIP70 payment requests, I don't know how it'll handle it.

[RickDeckard]

AFAIK, for the wallet, it'll only mark it as RBF and show a warning that it can still be replaced by the sender.
I recommend to test it with a small amount first though.

OP: If you're still unable to make a payment to BitPay after following nc50lc advice, I would try to see if an alternative company for the service you're looking for can be found here[1]. BitPay has been applying shady tactics in the past[2] and using alternative services is always a great choice. The second option would be to use a wallet that supports RBF on/off option (I think Bitcoin Core still supports this option).
[1]https://debitpay.directory/
[2]https://debitpay.directory/anti-bitcoin/

[Charles-Tim]

The second option would be to use a wallet that supports RBF on/off option (I think Bitcoin Core still supports this option).

There are many other open source wallets that support RBF on/off, or in a way you can check the RBF support for a transaction while broadcasting it.

If the user use a BIP39 seed phrase on Bluewallet as an example, as he wants to broadcast the transaction, the RBF is enabled by default which can be unchecked.

If Electrum seed phrase is imported into Bluewallet and transaction made from it on the Bluewallet, the transaction is automatically not RBF enabled.

[dkbit98]

since 4.4.1 version there is no Replace-by-fee checkbox in Electrum settings. Who knows how to disable rbf? Bitpay requires rbf to be disabled. What happens if I ignore this requirement?

Did you try disabling RBF in Electrum mobile version, maybe this settings is still available there?
You have the option to use older version of Electrum that support option to disable RBF, just download standalone Electrum version and use it temporary for Bitpay related transactions.
I don't know why Bitpay is doing this, maybe they think this is some kind of protection, and I would suggest switching to much better open source alternative BtcPayServer payment processor.

 

[hosseinimr93]

AFAIK, for the wallet, it'll only mark it as RBF and show a warning that it can still be replaced by the sender.

This seems to be correct.
According to this article, unconfirmed transactions that have been flagged as RBF are highlighted in pink and they display a message saying "Be careful. Until it confirms, the transaction could be replaced/redirected by the sender".

ilib, are you sure that Bitpay doesn't accept RBF-enabled transactions?

[khaled0111]

Did you try disabling RBF in Electrum mobile version, maybe this settings is still available there?

I have Electrum V4.4.0 installed on my Android mobile. I just checked it and the option to mark the transaction as rbf or to mark it as final does not exist anymore. Not sure when this change has been introduced, but for sure it was before V4.4.0.
Not sure why people are still using Bitpay, though! They enforce kyc, don't accept rbf transactions, don't accept transactions paying fees less than xx. Everyone should stop using them and move to a better service.

[hosseinimr93]

Not sure when this change has been introduced, but for sure it was before V4.4.0.

The option to disable RBF was removed in the version 4.4.0.
In versions 4.3.4 and before that, you could choose whether or not you want your transaction to be flagged as RBF.

[Yamane_Keto]

ilib, are you sure that Bitpay doesn't accept RBF-enabled transactions?

There is no logical reason for that, and they do not accept zero confirmation transactions.
The feature of not activating RBF is always found in casinos, as they try to speed up the deposit process so that the transaction is accepted with zero confirmations and wait for withdrawal after confirmation, and thus the user experience is fast, for the success of this, the transaction must not support RBF.

In the case of Bitpay, and because the service is a payment gateway, you must obtain one confirmation before doing anything, so using RBF will not change anything.

@ilib Bitpay has a history of shady activities try using an alternative company.

[Zoomic]

since 4.4.1 version there is no Replace-by-fee checkbox in Electrum settings. Who knows how to disable rbf? Bitpay requires rbf to be disabled. What happens if I ignore this requirement?

Did you try disabling RBF in Electrum mobile version, maybe this settings is still available there?

Once a new update is released, it takes effect on both mobile, Windows and Linux. The only option is to get the previous version as you advised. That's why I'm always reluctant to make updates unless there is a security threat.