Be careful and don’t promote a scam campaign

[LogitechMouse]

People should have some sort of moral compass period and there are a lot here that do not. Some will promote a company scam or not. Like your example 1xbit, there are at least 50 users who ruined their accounts once 1xbit stops advertising for just a few bucks a week. Maybe they're all owned by the same person as suggested by others, maybe not but they're all worthless accounts once 1xbit leaves this forum.

The big question right now is, will 1xbit leave the forum?
They know that they can still lure some newbies here, register in their website, and then scam them. Well, the number decreases as many know that they are a scam site, but I believe that there are still who are getting scammed by this shitty website. Maybe those 1xbit participants are an alt-accounts of a group of people here.
What OP is saying is that, always be careful, and don't promote a scam campaign right?
How can you identify if that campaign is a scam or not? You will never know unless they did it.

I remembered the recent signature campaign which is BetterCaulRaul.it. I mean they've been here for months, gaining he trust of the users, he participants, and even the manager who launched the campaign. They've been here for months, and that's enough for them to gain the trust of people here, only to find out that they ran away alongside the money that they got.

Bottom line is, you will never know that a campaign is a scam unless they'll scam you.

[bananaunana]

What OP is saying is that, always be careful, and don't promote a scam campaign right?
How can you identify if that campaign is a scam or not? You will never know unless they did it.

Yes, and we should not support such a campaign. We habe 1xbit here on Bitcointalk, it's is a proven scamsite. As a scam sportsbook, 1xbit has scammed many community members and 1xbit has all its accounts on Bitcointalk painted in negative trust from various DT members.
It is offering a signature campaign and we should not join because it means supporting a scamsite.
Stay away from 1xbit, don’t bet on 1xbit and don’t add 1xbet’s signature.
If someone still joins 1xbit signature campaign and endorses it via signature, a negative Trust from many DT members is justified for endorsing it.

[Sophokles]

What's the point of even doing a legit projects signature campaign if they don't pay their bounty hunters? Sometimes legit projects also do that and some reputable bounty managers also fall for such projects. Promoting a scam project is not intentional and if anyone does that intentionally even after warning from other members then i think they will get a red flag from DT members at some level of the campaign.

[bananaunana]

What's the point of even doing a legit projects signature campaign if they don't pay their bounty hunters?

I don't knwo, you need to ask a scamming signature campaign.
But if it's a scam service, it is likely for all particiants to get scammed as well.

Promoting a scam project is not intentional and if anyone does that intentionally even after warning from other members then i think they will get a red flag from DT members at some level of the campaign.

Wrong!
Promoting a scam project is intentional because we should always do a research.
We can clearly see 1xbit is a scam project and promoting it in our signature should result in a negative trust.

[Broadanbig]

OP I will say you did well by bringing up a topic of this nature here for discussion. Many signatures and bounties has have come and gone with lots of remarks with them and most times promoters of such also gets their own share of the remarks as it is be it good or bad.
There have been lots of scam cases pertaining to projects here but you should know that no reputable member who grew through ranks here to becoming a reputable manager here intentionally promotes scam.

I will tell you this that most projects that scammed members and the public came unnoticed by their managers here not until they have gone far their campaign their scam intentions were carried out. Most times managers do their due diligence before accepting campaigns and you can not tell when a project is for real or not when they all their plans well covered so no one could detect it but if in the course of promotion it happens that such campaign or project is a scam members should be able to resist d desist from promoting such and if they continue they are likely facing the red tag line and would definitely get it so just like the case of 1xbit as you have said here.

Every one hear is old enough to know what is good and bad but in some cases, the situation at which things present itself would make you not really have clues what it is all about not until you have gone done it yourself to see them you can have the feel of it to tell how it is. As for the tagging of accounts, there must be proof or facts just as you have said to back up accusations because that is what the rules States here from my findings and any one doing such must be able to present it for clarifications as to why happened beyond a reasonable doubt before actions are taken against the defaulter.

[Renampun]

Accounts that actively wear signature and promote scam sites do not do so out of ignorance, they are well aware of their actions and the consequences but because they choose to go that way because of the money the company may be offering ( scam casinos are known to spend lavishly on their promotion).  A large percentage of 1xbit promoters are accounts with previous red tags, they know their accounts will not be accepted into any credible campaigns.

my view on this is 50:50, I mean this is a free forum and the scam project is not mandatory at all. but yeah, back to ethical issues, when you promote a scam project the members on this forum will no longer be able to trust you, they will judge you as a member who is only after profit, look at the accounts that promote 1xbet, they are all affected red trust and their account will no longer be trusted by any member. so choose wisely which project you want to promote, don't promote a scam project just for the sake of change, feel sorry for the other members who are deceived.

[SatoPrincess]

Accounts that actively wear signature and promote scam sites do not do so out of ignorance, they are well aware of their actions and the consequences but because they choose to go that way because of the money the company may be offering ( scam casinos are known to spend lavishly on their promotion).  A large percentage of 1xbit promoters are accounts with previous red tags, they know their accounts will not be accepted into any credible campaigns.

my view on this is 50:50, I mean this is a free forum and the scam project is not mandatory at all. but yeah, back to ethical issues, when you promote a scam project the members on this forum will no longer be able to trust you, they will judge you as a member who is only after profit, look at the accounts that promote 1xbet, they are all affected red trust and their account will no longer be trusted by any member. so choose wisely which project you want to promote, don't promote a scam project just for the sake of change, feel sorry for the other members who are deceived.

I have been lucky to have worked with reputable campaign managers, even without doing personal research on the company I can rest easy because I know the CM has done extensively research on the company from the point the team reached out to the CM. One thing I have noticed and also admire about the campaign managers I’ve worked with is that they immediately alert the community and pause all promotions as soon as they find a problem with the company. This is the ethical thing to do when you’re in such situations.

[bananaunana]

One thing I have noticed and also admire about the campaign managers I’ve worked with is that they immediately alert the community and pause all promotions as soon as they find a problem with the company. This is the ethical thing to do when you’re in such situations.

Yes, when money spedable for a campaign has dried up, campaign managers need to pause a campaign ASAP to prevent participants from continuing because campaign managers would no be able for a pay out.

[_BlackStar]

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Yes, when money spedable for a campaign has dried up, campaign managers need to pause a campaign ASAP to prevent participants from continuing because campaign managers would no be able for a pay out.

Not mandatory - it depends on the manager and the client themselves. If the manager feels confident that the client will pay participants weekly without escrow, then the campaign can always continue. But on the other hand - escrow can certainly provide a sense of security for managers and participants because the payment is somewhat guaranteed.

You can compare different campaign managers on this - I'm sure their management is never the same. Some require their clients to send funds into escrow for payment over several weeks, while others pay participants weekly without escrow.

[bananaunana]

After a new scandal - Sindbad.io mixer - it's a hot topic again.

Participants of such campaign are not to blame but a manager needs to do good research.
And it has been known how Sindbad.io was a re-launch of Blender.io, a mixer operated by DarkNet syndicate. Sindbad.io was just a continued Blender.io:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sanctioned-mixer-blender-launched-sinbad-183621428.html
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/02/13/sanctioned-mixer-blender-re-launched-as-sinbad-elliptic-says/
https://decrypt.co/208160/sanctioned-bitcoin-mixer-blender-relaunch-sinbad-sanctioned-again
https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/14/blender_crypto_mixer_sinbad/
https://decrypt.co/121222/new-sinbad-bitcoin-mixer-is-sanctioned-blender
https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-mixer-blender-has-been-rebranded-to-sinbad-says-elliptic
https://www.theblock.co/post/211225/sinbad-crypto-mixing-service-may-be-blender-in-disguise-elliptic
https://dailycoin.com/elliptic-reports-that-blender-rebranded-as-sinbad/

Operation of massively stolen and hacked funds, facilitated by known criminal syndicates, was known by doing a quick research already in February 2023.
Sindbad.io funds were not just from DarkNet markets like ChipMixer, funds were even from organized crime syndicates.

Sindbad.io abused Bitcointalk to attract clean coins, to get volumes for mixing Sindbad.io’s extremely tainted coins. Bitcointalk members were abused like exit liquidity from shitcoin pump and dumps.
It’s a real shame, what Sindbad.io pulled of.
We need to spot such scum next time. It's sad, how such a shady service was not questioned more.

And as a result, all mixers are banned now on Bitcointalk, even legitimate ones. 

[nutildah]

After a new scandal - Sindbad.io mixer - it's a hot topic again.

Are you misspelling the website on purpose? The correct spelling is in all the links you posted.

Sindbad.io funds were not just from DarkNet markets like ChipMixer, funds were even from organized crime syndicates.

ChipMixer was not a darknet market, or if you meant all their business came from darknet markets, that's not true either. Even Chainalysis found that the majority of funds sent through ChipMixer did not have "illicit origins."

Sindbad.io abused Bitcointalk to attract clean coins, to get volumes for mixing Sindbad.io’s extremely tainted coins. Bitcointalk members were abused like exit liquidity from shitcoin pump and dumps.

Uh, not really. Did anyone actually lose BTC as a result of using their mixer? If so, who were they? Regardless, anyone who uses a mixer should already be aware of the risks.

And as a result, all mixers are banned now on Bitcointalk, even legitimate ones.  

There's not really such a thing as a "legitimate mixer." If you mean a mixer that did its job well or as advertised, "Sindbad" more or less fell into this category.

[JeromeTash]

Sindbad.io abused Bitcointalk to attract clean coins, to get volumes for mixing Sindbad.io’s extremely tainted coins. Bitcointalk members were abused like exit liquidity from shitcoin pump and dumps.
It’s a real shame, what Sindbad.io pulled of.
We need to spot such scum next time. It's sad, how such a shady service was not questioned more.

And as a result, all mixers are banned now on Bitcointalk, even legitimate ones. 

Sinbad was just used by bad actors to mix coins, just like they would with any other mixer. I am sure that was not their intention. It's not like you expected them to filter out stolen coins from clean coins. Once a mixer starts censoring transactions, then it ceases being a mixer.

Calling them scammers, yet they never stole anyone's coins during their time of operation, doesn't make sense.

[Bitstar_coin]

Any scam project should not be promoted especially when everyone is aware of their illicit attitude towards their users. Despite all accusations against them they have done very little to gain trust by attending to the scam issues labeled against them.
Avoiding them would be a better approach but it seems not all members have the same view of the issue, and since promoting such projects is against the ethics of the forum majority of the participants will end up getting their accounts tagged.
The ideal thing to do is to solve issues with users before engaging in any form of promotion.

[Outhue]

There are certain path I like taking to avoid all these, like following a reputable bounty manager, you won't have any problem with scam projects, if the project suddenly turn scam it will be announced by the BM and they will quit promoting the project.

Haven't you noticed that scam projects are the one managing their campaigns themselves? For example 1xbit and co, the Bitcointalk account has the same name as their casino project, they can't find a bounty manager to give the job because all Bounty managers will reject the offer since they know it's a scam project.

All you have to do is use your head and think, if a project as nothing to hide it will be easier for them to hire the professional for managing the campaign, follow the best bounty manager on the forum and you have nothing to worry about, because they don't promote scams even if the money the plan to be paid is higher.

[reagansimms]

The most important factor in maintaining your continued existence on the forum is to keep your account reputation clean from any accusations. Look at where those who helped advertise 1xbit on the forum, after the 1xbit signature campaign ended, their existence also ended because no other manager was willing to hire them after their account reputation was damaged. 1xbit as an example of a banned site on the forum, promoting the site is the same as supporting the fraud they are committing.
Apart from 1xbit there are also other companies that ended up being scams, initially they looked very legitimate and convincing with all the support from other parties. When you know that the bounty you are advertising is indicated as a scam, leave them immediately.

[PX-Z]

1xbit as an example of a banned site on the forum, promoting the site is the same as supporting the fraud they are committing.

If you're talking about them as banned here technically, they are not. Most people here just don't want them to advertise ^{(running signature campaign)} here due to the scamming reasons. And who would like to see a scammed website here knowing they have scammed a lot of people and they still have the audacity to promote their service here.

It's not like you expected them to filter out stolen coins from clean coins. Once a mixer starts censoring transactions, then it ceases being a mixer

They could, but they choose not doing so. They could at least block transactions or don't accept coins from "known" or "labeled" as "hacker address". Or should i say, don't process the mixing of these coins and just report it to authorities. Censoring "any" transactions and censoring "only criminal" transactions are two different things. And i think, mixers should do the similar like this if they want to last longer in this space.

[Luffygroove]

Thank you; I'm grateful to have come across your post. Your reminder is valuable, not only for newbies but also for those who might overlook this in their pursuit of bounty earnings. Choosing a signature to display is crucial; it's tied to our reputation. Personally, I opt for signatures from reputable bounty managers like Irfan Pak. This decision helps me avoid questionable projects and complements my own research efforts. Your insight prompts us to be discerning, not just about the potential rewards but also about the projects we align ourselves with. It's a thoughtful approach, ensuring that our online presence reflects projects with credibility and aligns with our commitment to quality in the crypto space.

[CryptSafe]

You are right when you talk about members being careful to do scrutiny of campaigns before they get involved in them. I think you should know that before any campaign is scheduled to take effect on this platform, whomever the Yu contacted must have done his or her die diligence before accepting to promote them. Doing their due diligence gives members that confidence to apply for such campaign when it happens that such campaign is being promoted by a reputable manager.

In some cases, projects come clean to the platform and even if they have clear intentions of scamming people here they would not be quick to show it but rather they would start as a genuine project till their time to exit approaches as they have planned it which would not be clear to the manager to what they are up to until they have executed their plans.

So therefore blaming members of promoting scams unknown from the beginning is not the right thing because nobody have any idea if the project they are promoting is genuine or scam not until they must have spent a reasonable time which would available the opportunity for members to carry out their investigations on them to ascertain their genuity here.

[cryptodude]

Promoting any scam project is unequivocally discouraged, particularly when the community is well aware of their illicit practices towards users . Despite facing numerous accusations, these projects often fail to address the concerns raised against them , making it imperative for users to exercise caution . The ethical stance within the forum strongly opposes the promotion of such projects.

[Tomcolor]

This is normal because we have been working on bounty since the beginning and have been exposed to many scam projects here. If a project suddenly becomes a scam, there is nothing bounty managers can do. However, the number of scam projects has decreased since the escrow service was introduced. But you can never turn it off and there are very few people who have not been victims of scam schemes in crypto life.