How the casino takes money from you with a deposit bonus

[markk1]

Hello! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

[Wiwo]

Personally,  I try as much as possible to avoid deposit bonuses this is because of it accompanying conditions because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

[Saint-loup]

Hi all! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x25 (D+B) = x50, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*50=10k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every 100 dollars wagered we get back 96 dollars according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), 960 dollars for 1k wager (1000-960=40), 9600 dollars for 10k wager (10000-9600=400). And after the full wagering, we will lose 400 dollars, which gives a very large -EV. I do not advise you to take any bonuses more than x10 wager (depending on RTP). These bonuses are rare. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

I don't understand why you say first we need to wager 50x times the deposit "x25 (D+B) = x50" and then you say we need to wager 50x times the deposit+the bonus "(wager 200*50=10k)" You've made a mistake I think. If the customer deposits $100 he will need to wager 50 x 100 = 5000$ or  (100 + 100) x 25 = 200 x 25 = 5000$

[DoublerHunter]

~snip~

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

^What we expect from this, the casino is not a charity that gives free money away by giving bonuses, it is expected that there is a high wager always for the bonus that we get. But from what I have seen here different games may have different RTPs, so it is important to consider the specific rules and payout percentages for the games you play not the bonus.
It would be good for anyone to carefully review the terms and conditions associated with the bonus offer. Look for factors such as game restrictions, maximum bet limits, and withdrawal limitations because these details can significantly impact your overall experience and whether the bonus is beneficial for you. Because every casino bonus is unique, and not all bonuses have high wagering requirements. So it is important to shop around, compare different offers, and consider your personal goals and playing style before making a decision.

[markk1]

Personally,  I try as much as possible to avoid deposit bonuses this is because of it accompanying conditions because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

That's why this topic should be on the forum. I have been familiar with the casino for many years, more than 15 years, online and offline. The casinos are very tricky, the money does not smell and they are ready to do anything so that you leave them your money. The deposit bonus is the most important trick for newbies or those who do not want to count EV.

[Wiwo]

~snip~

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

^What we expect from this, the casino is not a charity that gives free money away by giving bonuses, it is expected that there is a high wager always for the bonus that we get. But from what I have seen here different games may have different RTPs, so it is important to consider the specific rules and payout percentages for the games you play.

I agree with you because casinos are businesses and they are profits oriented and at that it is very important to adhere to the strict operational conditions that helped both the gamblers and the casino but most importantly the casino is favoured when it comes to giving out free money in form of bonuses and since the casino doesn't want to give out free money the accompanied their bonuses with high wager requirements.

So also we have to be smart enough to know how to apply ourselves to all the conditions that the casino may put up when we are chasing bonuses.

[Nwada001]

Nothing actually comes free. You don't expect anything to come that free, you know, in as much as I still really don't understand your calculation very well, but in a normal sense, it all shows that the casino is trying to give you a harder time trying to use their bonus to win huge.

If the casino wants to make things really easy for bonus players, they will quickly run out of business. Everyone will use their bonus to win big and kick them out of business.

I don't think the bonus is a must, as the user can still use their normal deposited amount to wager as usual and win or lose their game without having to apply the bonus amount to their game.

If we don't like the bonus, we just have to ignore it. Why are we doing that? Because other people are also using it and meeting the casino's requirements on those bonuses, and at the end of the day, they still have some winnings to take back home.

[markk1]

Hi all! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x25 (D+B) = x50, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*50=10k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every 100 dollars wagered we get back 96 dollars according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), 960 dollars for 1k wager (1000-960=40), 9600 dollars for 10k wager (10000-9600=400). And after the full wagering, we will lose 400 dollars, which gives a very large -EV. I do not advise you to take any bonuses more than x10 wager (depending on RTP). These bonuses are rare. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

I don't understand why you say first we need to wager 50x times the deposit "x25 (D+B) = x50" and then you say we need to wager 50x times the deposit+the bonus "(wager 200*50=10k)" You've made a mistake I think. If the customer deposits $100 he will need to wager 50 x 100 = 5000$ or  (100 + 100) x 25 = 200 x 25 = 5000$

Thank you friend! Before reading your message, I realized that I messed up a little with D+B, already fixed it.

[khaled0111]

because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

This is exactly why casinos have this requirement coupled with almost all the bonuses they offer. They set high wagering requirement to be sure you will be at lost before meeting the requirement and being able to withdraw. You can't blame them, though. They run a business and we all know they don't give free money.
The only benifit for users is that bonuses money allow them to play more and extend a bit their gambling seessio.

[QueenVera]

Well you did a very great job and if this is true, then I now see reasons why a casino isn't expected to just easily go bankrupt if they play their cards well.
In sure every every businesses has the primary  goal as to make profit and casinos aren't exempted and I have no issues with all these calculations and the gambler because the casino never forced anyone to use the welcome bonus but rather a personal decisions.
I personally  don't make attempt or enjoy making attempts to use the welcome bonuses because of the hello of terms and contains that will be associated and I just simply prefer to skip.

[Lanatsa]

Hello! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

This is a better example of calculations on being specific on how bonuses +wagering requirements needed on a certain condition specially when you do get that deposit bonus.Yes, it would really be looking so

appealing since 100% or doubling your deposit do really looks nice and we do have that kind of impression that we would really be having advantage against with the house considering that we do have bigger
capital (NEWBIE MINDSET) on which it is really that totally opposite on what you do have in mind. Sooner or later on the time that you are already on your gambling sessions, then you would really be able to find out that it is really that hard to get that wagering requirement which is most playing on 35-45x or depending on some casinos but the difference isnt that much.

On the time that you would really be able to realize that those multipliers are really that pain in the ass then this is where those common thoughts would kick in.
Even when wagering on 10x is not that simple and you would be finding yourself been busting up along the way.

[Wiwo]

because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

This is exactly why casinos have this requirement coupled with almost all the bonuses they offer. They set high wagering requirement to be sure you will be at lost before meeting the requirement and being able to withdraw. You can't blame them, though. They run a business and we all know they don't give free money.
The only benifit for users is that bonuses money allow them to play more and extend a bit their gambling seessio.

Playing more games with the bonuses are the only benefits players get from those bonuses and aside from that,  the player also gets to increase in rank on the casino from the amount of wagering trying to chase the limit to withdraw and from the multiple wagers your referral if any will generate income from your wagering but at the end of the day,  the casino still end up with the highest percentage gains and that becomes a win-win for the casino.

[Magoo8]

You guys have been gambling for years are going to go way over the rollover amounts. Why in the world would you pass up a bonus unless you are going to hit and run and not gamble for the rest of your life. If you get a 100% bonus then you double your ROI. You will stay in the game much longer with a bonus.

[markk1]

You guys have been gambling for years are going to go way over the rollover amounts. Why in the world would you pass up a bonus unless you are going to hit and run and not gamble for the rest of your life. If you get a 100% bonus then you double your ROI. You will stay in the game much longer with a bonus.

The fact of the matter is that you stay longer in the game. In any case, casino RTP leads to a loss, this is not poker. You can further increase the time spent in the casino, play house games, such as Dice (in the best crypto casinos house edge is usually about 1%).

[Magoo8]

You guys have been gambling for years are going to go way over the rollover amounts. Why in the world would you pass up a bonus unless you are going to hit and run and not gamble for the rest of your life. If you get a 100% bonus then you double your ROI. You will stay in the game much longer with a bonus.

The fact of the matter is that you stay longer in the game. In any case, casino RTP leads to a loss, this is not poker. You can further increase the time spent in the casino, play house games, such as Dice (in the best crypto casinos house edge is usually about 1%).

In slots you can hit a life changing jackpot. A bonus gives you more time to hit that jackpot.

[AmoreJaz]

You guys have been gambling for years are going to go way over the rollover amounts. Why in the world would you pass up a bonus unless you are going to hit and run and not gamble for the rest of your life. If you get a 100% bonus then you double your ROI. You will stay in the game much longer with a bonus.

that is, if you know also how you can prolong your game without busting your bankroll. most of the time you will also bust the deposit bonus because you need to meet your wagering requirements. thus, check their wagering reqmts if it is also reasonable because such reqmt can easily kill your bankroll.

[n0ne]

You guys have been gambling for years are going to go way over the rollover amounts. Why in the world would you pass up a bonus unless you are going to hit and run and not gamble for the rest of your life. If you get a 100% bonus then you double your ROI. You will stay in the game much longer with a bonus.

that is, if you know also how you can prolong your game without busting your bankroll. most of the time you will also the deposit bonus because you need to meet your wagering requirements.

The person having good backup can prolong his wagering activities. Just with little amount it is really hard, but I don't say it isn't possible. Myself have got into these kind of wagering just with few dollars as bet and rolls above 2. Here the percentage of losing is small, yet the luck decides whether our expectations can be fulfilled or not.

[ThemePen]

The casinos always try to trap users and give good bonuses to the users. Which attract more users to their casino. I was reading a thread on this forum about withdraw policies about bonuses withdraw. So the casinos make it difficult for the users to withdraw bonuses they give some difficult requirements to withdraw so I think we should not get these kind of bonuses to safe ourselves from future problems.

[markk1]

You guys have been gambling for years are going to go way over the rollover amounts. Why in the world would you pass up a bonus unless you are going to hit and run and not gamble for the rest of your life. If you get a 100% bonus then you double your ROI. You will stay in the game much longer with a bonus.

The fact of the matter is that you stay longer in the game. In any case, casino RTP leads to a loss, this is not poker. You can further increase the time spent in the casino, play house games, such as Dice (in the best crypto casinos house edge is usually about 1%).

In slots you can hit a life changing jackpot. A bonus gives you more time to hit that jackpot.

Look at the chance of hitting the jackpot, the higher the jackpot, the lower the chance. Also, the bet usually plays a role, the higher the bet, the higher the chance of hitting the jackpot, but there the chances are 0.00000.... And in the jackpot slots RTP are even more underestimated, you will lose faster your money.

[decodx]

This is a great topic to discuss in the forum, and I bet many newbies have no clue about it or how to crunch the numbers.

OP, I couldn't help but notice you didn't mention something important. Lots of casinos offer deposit bonuses that come with a catch - you gotta meet specific wagering requirements by playing certain games. Usually, they'll focus on slot games, roulette, or some card games. Why? Well, 'cause these games tend to have a lower Return to Player (RTP) compared to other classic casino games like dice.

[Darker45]

If I were to generalize, these bonuses are there to simply attract new users. They're not there to be actually given away. It's never the intention of the casinos to just give away money. It's not only the terrible wagering requirements that discourage me from claiming the deposit bonus. Normally, bonuses have special terms and conditions. A casino, for example, that doesn't require KYC upon sign up might require it to those who want to claim the bonus. With all of the conditions, you have to be Odysseus to successfully get it.

[Bitinity]

One thing to add, there are some casinos with different rule about when your bets will be counted towards wagering requirement. These casinos usually start to count your bets toward wagering requirement once you have lost your initial deposit first. It means that early huge win after taking the bonus will be useless as you will not be able to start wagering for the wagering requirement before you lose your initial deposit. Players need to read the whole terms about any deposit bonus, not only how much is the wagering requirement. Terms such as max amount per bet while taking bonus is also important as well as about which games contribute towards wagering requirement because some time not all games are counted 100%.

[adzino]

Of course all those first deposit bonus is just another way for the casino to lure players into making the deposits. Those bonuses usually have very difficult to complete rules like wagering 10x times the total amount and so on. Even if users are able to complete the wagering requirements, some casinos won't let you withdraw the whole bonus. Sometimes like up to $100 or so. They use this strategy for getting people hooked into the casino. Once the players start winning the games with bonus funds, they usually wants to play more, so they keep on playing until they end up starting to lose everything.

[danherbias07]

To make it short, they will take back the bonus they gave to you as much as possible, so better not take the bonus instead.

I don't want to believe this is real. There must be those who surpassed this belief and reaped some of the rewards of the bonus and the winnings from betting. What if you will be doing sports gambling? There's no such thing as RTP there, so these bonuses will be a good amount for a starter. In casino games, yes, I do believe that now. It's like someone is switching the RTP on and off and there are a lot of times I already felt it.
From winning x400 to losing 400 times again whatever casino game you play. That means anytime, anywhere, anyhow. It won't matter, the casino will take it back.
That is why whenever I get some profits I try to withdraw it as much as possible and avoid this kind of trouble.

[Strongkored]

Actually players know exactly how the wager requirements are set by the casino to prevent players from easily taking the bonuses provided because casinos are a business and business is always profit-oriented, and if there are players who continue to chase bonuses it's not because they will be able to pass the wager requirements. but thinking luck will help them get through it, and without looking at the calculations provided by the OP all gamblers almost know for sure that it is difficult to pass the requirements but seeing the promised bonus is still more tempting than the possibility of losing the entire deposit.
But I would prefer to play normally without claiming the bonus because it's almost impossible to pass even though I've done it but it's no more than 30x the wager requirement.

[harizen]

Technically, that's true. However, regardless of the numbers or percentages mentioned, it's on the user's end to read the terms and conditions of the said bonus before applying. It's not appropriate to say how casino takes money from deposit bonus when in the end, they aren't even forcing their users to participate in those. It's good that some sites do have a simple interface on the deposit page showing the options if new users like to take the deposit bonuses and promotions or not. Besides, it's just common to expect a tough wagering requirement for a 100% bonus deposit as casinos are not there to give away an easy win.

Though out of curiosity, what are those gambling sites that require X40 wagering requirement for 1st 100% deposit bonus as OP mentioned in the example? Is the number just served as an example? In some cases, based on my observation, the numbers are mostly playing around x10 - x15. For more than that, no doubt it's a ridiculous requirement that's why users really need to fully understand the terms and conditions of the said bonus.

The bottom line though is, regardless of the RTP or anything, or what the required turnover is, it ends up to the user's luck.

[Doan9269]

We don't five attention much to the request on deposit bonus because there are conditions attached to it that we are maybe unaware of because we didn't have enough time to make such discovery through their conditions attached as well stated from their policy and terms, they are using that as a trick but rather a good means of attracting gamblers into gambling because no establishement will want to give out without first receiving something or having that opportunity to retain those whom it has given to.

[swogerino]

Deposit bonuses are only good if they permit you to play the amount on sport betting also and not only in casino games and I know few casinos who permit this,this is however the best use of the deposit bonus,like if you deposit 1000 dollars and get 1000 bonus,you can increase that 1000 dollars dramatically with some sport bets in just a week if you are patient enough to bet on odds and games who have high chances of coming true.This though is done by very few casinos and very few people while most people tend to go directly to try their luck in the slot machines which they soon find out that they will lose the money in no time,especially if they raise the bet.

[piebeyb]

maybe that's why so many new users are stuck to test the welcome bonus and try new casinos, Somehow I'm not really interested in the welcome bonus unless I really want to just test it and not for the money because I know in the end I will lose too and lose money my deposit is also my winnings, so choosing to play at a big casino is enough for me instead of having to play at a new casino that gives a big welcome bonus.

I know that welcome bonuses are always tempting but sometimes experienced gamblers won't take it as interesting to play in that casino, after all welcome bonuses are usually only new users who feel interested to grab it and try the game, this should be a lesson for new users not to claim first deposit bonus or welcome bonus.  

[Beparanf]

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

Even without this EV calculation on the bonuses, It’s very obvious that most of the casino has negative EV because they are a business which means their service is not a charity that gives free money. Most of the casino bonuses has a high wagering requirements so I doubt you can find a bonuses with positive EV like what you theoretically calculated on this. Even if there is,Casino will just hold your account if you win since you are taking advantage to their offer using safe bets.

Bonuses is not intended for free money. It’s an extra reward for your game. You will be busted if you will focus claiming it instead of playing.

[Johnyz]

Deposit bonuses are only good if they permit you to play the amount on sport betting also and not only in casino games and I know few casinos who permit this,this is however the best use of the deposit bonus,like if you deposit 1000 dollars and get 1000 bonus,you can increase that 1000 dollars dramatically with some sport bets in just a week if you are patient enough to bet on odds and games who have high chances of coming true.This though is done by very few casinos and very few people while most people tend to go directly to try their luck in the slot machines which they soon find out that they will lose the money in no time,especially if they raise the bet.

This is why you have to read the rules of the deposit bonus promotions since its not an easy money after all and there are rules that you need to follow so you can enjoy that bonus. Many site will require you to wager it and some site offers a very attractive deposit bonus but after doing this, you’ll be required to spend more before you can withdraw that bonuses. Casinos will not play lose against the gamblers, they still need to be ahead of their own gamblers.

[Botnake]

If you are solely interested in the deposit bonus, it can be challenging for you. However, if you are a regular gambler who plans to spend a significant amount of time on a specific gambling site, it would be advantageous for you to take advantage of the deposit bonus. This is especially true if you consistently place bets and have the goal of winning. The calculations you provided are helpful for those who aim to understand the probabilities and the casino's profit margins.

Nevertheless, thank you for sharing the computations regarding our chances and the casino's chances of profiting.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Most of the deposit bonus has more than 40x wager requirements in maximum casinos. Even if you play in a casino that has games with a 1% House edge, the chance to lose the amount is huge. As I said in many other threads before, there is a saying that House always wins in the long run. The idea of a deposit bonus with wager requirements is to make players play for a long time. Casinos know that the long time a player plays at a casino, the more chance they will end up losing their money. So, if you understand their motive and tried the deposit bonus. You already know how it works and you can judge it from your own experience as well.

[markk1]

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

Even without this EV calculation on the bonuses, It’s very obvious that most of the casino has negative EV because they are a business which means their service is not a charity that gives free money. Most of the casino bonuses has a high wagering requirements so I doubt you can find a bonuses with positive EV like what you theoretically calculated on this. Even if there is,Casino will just hold your account if you win since you are taking advantage to their offer using safe bets.

Bonuses is not intended for free money. It’s an extra reward for your game. You will be busted if you will focus claiming it instead of playing.

I personally know one casino where the wager for x1 bonuses. For example, they give a 100% bonus up to $1000 with x1 wagering. The casino withdraws money, but verification is required through the bot in the service. The perfect casino for a bonus hunters. I'm ready to give a link for a small remuneration, PM.

[tusandii]

I personally know one casino where the wager for x1 bonuses. For example, they give a 100% bonus up to $1000 with x1 wagering. The casino withdraws money, but verification is required through the bot in the service. The perfect casino for a bonus hunters. I'm ready to give a link for a small remuneration, PM.

Which casino do you know with 1x wagering requirements but has a 100% or $1000 bonus, tell us the name I'm also curious about the casino you mean.
Many casinos already use bots in their services, so it's not a difficult thing, but at least if there is a problem they want to deal with it right away, not a bot that actually gives a response.

Regarding bonuses, I have never felt getting a bonus with a decent and easy amount with just 1x bet.

[decodx]

The bottom line though is, regardless of the RTP or anything, or what the required turnover is, it ends up to the user's luck.

That's true. But some casinos offer deposit bonuses that have conditions so unfavorable to new gamblers that it’s difficult for them to use them. And it's important to be extra cautious in such cases, especially when the conditions are not clearly stated and are hidden in the terms of use, which are often not thoroughly read by users. For example, some casinos offer deposit bonuses that can only be used on slots games. If you like table games and video poker more than slots, this is not good for you. You will be required to play only slots games and lose your money before you can use the bonus.

[seoincorporation]

The deposit bonus is a bait, i mean, they are made to be hard for the users, and most of the users will not complete the wager, but some lucky user will complete it, you only need a good run for it.

But the main thing that I dislike about that kind of bonus is the fact that they limit the possible win, so, if you make a $100 depo, and get $200, and you are only allowed to withdraw $300, it would really suck if we are in a good run up to $1500 in balance and we can't take it all.

[markk1]

I personally know one casino where the wager for x1 bonuses. For example, they give a 100% bonus up to $1000 with x1 wagering. The casino withdraws money, but verification is required through the bot in the service. The perfect casino for a bonus hunters. I'm ready to give a link for a small remuneration, PM.

Which casino do you know with 1x wagering requirements but has a 100% or $1000 bonus, tell us the name I'm also curious about the casino you mean.
Many casinos already use bots in their services, so it's not a difficult thing, but at least if there is a problem they want to deal with it right away, not a bot that actually gives a response.

Regarding bonuses, I have never felt getting a bonus with a decent and easy amount with just 1x bet.

Only in one hand I am ready to give a link to the casino, if I post it here, an influx of people will go and the wager will be raised.

[molsewid]

Well you did a very great job and if this is true, then I now see reasons why a casino isn't expected to just easily go bankrupt if they play their cards well.
In sure every every businesses has the primary  goal as to make profit and casinos aren't exempted and I have no issues with all these calculations and the gambler because the casino never forced anyone to use the welcome bonus but rather a personal decisions.
I personally  don't make attempt or enjoy making attempts to use the welcome bonuses because of the hello of terms and contains that will be associated and I just simply prefer to skip.

Me too, I know that it will be a hassle in the long run using that bonus. It will only trigger you to deposit more to get or to comply to the requirements of the casino. We should play without welcome bonus if you want, maybe I should try referral bonus instead. I know that there is a scheme behind this welcome bonus of course they will make it so that they can get more gambler.

[markk1]

The deposit bonus is a bait, i mean, they are made to be hard for the users, and most of the users will not complete the wager, but some lucky user will complete it, you only need a good run for it.

But the main thing that I dislike about that kind of bonus is the fact that they limit the possible win, so, if you make a $100 depo, and get $200, and you are only allowed to withdraw $300, it would really suck if we are in a good run up to $1500 in balance and we can't take it all.

Yes, now it is not uncommon to see bonus conditions in the form of withdrawal restrictions. Most often I see a x10 maximum withdrawal limit from a deposit bonus. Also, for beginners casinos now give tricky free spins without a deposit, which can only be wagered for a real deposit.

[yahoo62278]

I've taken a few deposit bonuses from betchain.com over the years and beat their wager requirement a few times. I'm not sure what % of the time I beat the wager, but it's not impossible.

In general, I agree with you that taking bonuses on a deposit is in favor of the casinos. I do however think taking a bonus on a small amount to test a casino isn't a bad idea. Not trying to think you're going to win bit or anything, but just tossing $50 in the trash and getting their deposit match to let you test more games. If you decide you like a platform, then you can make a normal deposit and reject a bonus.

[seleme]

I personally don't like deposit bonuses for obvious reasons that have been mentioned here. There are various deposit bonus offers at different casinos but the hidden conditions make it hard to reach the mentioned level. The scenario is totally different for casino streamers who get a commission from wagering such bonuses btw. Imagine turning $1000 into $100k but you are only allowed to withdraw $10k of the total winnings due to the rules stated by the casino affiliate team. It is what it is, if you don't like this way of making some money, there is nothing left to do except refuse to take such conditional bonuses.

[goaldigger]

I personally don't like deposit bonuses for obvious reasons that have been mentioned here. There are various deposit bonus offers at different casinos but the hidden conditions make it hard to reach the mentioned level. The scenario is totally different for casino streamers who get a commission from wagering such bonuses btw.

Deposit bonus is not just to attract new gamblers but also to force them to gamble more and that’s the reality. So don’t get fooled about the 100% bonus when you deposit first because you’ll need to accomplish a task before you actually receive it, and that means you can lose more before you actually earn that bonus. Many casinos uses this kind of hype just to promote their site, again read everything before you believe on it.

[seleme]

I personally don't like deposit bonuses for obvious reasons that have been mentioned here. There are various deposit bonus offers at different casinos but the hidden conditions make it hard to reach the mentioned level. The scenario is totally different for casino streamers who get a commission from wagering such bonuses btw.

Deposit bonus is not just to attract new gamblers but also to force them to gamble more and that’s the reality. So don’t get fooled about the 100% bonus when you deposit first because you’ll need to accomplish a task before you actually receive it, and that means you can lose more before you actually earn that bonus. Many casinos uses this kind of hype just to promote their site, again read everything before you believe on it.

Ofc, I don't deposit on a website that has no concrete T&S about deposit bonuses or promotions, there are several websites that offer such bonuses without clear terms and conditions. Promoting the website is just one side of the job, there are various cases that have been used against users to make marketing moves. Some users don't look closely and jump into such offers, unfortunately. Promoting the website can be done in alternate ways as well but such lucrative ways can turn to be a trap for uneducated gamblers. Actually, it is still the way for casinos to make marketing moves to bring gamblers from alternative casinos.

[Oilacris]

I've taken a few deposit bonuses from betchain.com over the years and beat their wager requirement a few times. I'm not sure what % of the time I beat the wager, but it's not impossible.

In general, I agree with you that taking bonuses on a deposit is in favor of the casinos. I do however think taking a bonus on a small amount to test a casino isn't a bad idea. Not trying to think you're going to win bit or anything, but just tossing $50 in the trash and getting their deposit match to let you test more games. If you decide you like a platform, then you can make a normal deposit and reject a bonus.

Thats if you do have that kind of thinking and budget allocation or funding your gambling account just for the sake of income making and seeing those bonuses to be that a huge advantage then

you would 100% f*cking up yourself in the end and would be banging up your head into the wall on which you would really be having regrets on what have you done. Throwing out some $50 bucks or less or more then it would really be just that a good amount on testing out the site. You wouldn't really be stressing out yourself on trying to get that wagering requirement.

it would really be removing the real essence of entertainment on the time that you are already get stressed just because you are minding about on withdrawing
which it is really not that something that would be good when you do play.This is why its always important that you should know about those deposit terms,
they wont really be putting those things without having such rules.

[qwertyup23]

Personally,  I try as much as possible to avoid deposit bonuses this is because of it accompanying conditions because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

I do think that these casino bonuses that are being offered are somehow misleading in nature- there are lots of conditions that must be met in order to receive it. In addition, sometimes, I often experience difficulty in withdrawing my cash due to some internal issues that the gambling company must first determine.

As much as I appreciate the bonuses being offered by these gambling websites, nothing beats a reliable gambling website that offers superior security and reliability when it comes to disposing payments and cash in the process.

Sure, these casinos may offer higher rewards/bonuses but reliability is what makes me stay consistent and loyal at a certain casino even if they offer lower bonuses as rewards.

[Wiwo]

Personally,  I try as much as possible to avoid deposit bonuses this is because of it accompanying conditions because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

I do think that these casino bonuses that are being offered are somehow misleading in nature- there are lots of conditions that must be met in order to receive it. In addition, sometimes, I often experience difficulty in withdrawing my cash due to some internal issues that the gambling company must first determine.

As much as I appreciate the bonuses being offered by these gambling websites, nothing beats a reliable gambling website that offers superior security and reliability when it comes to disposing of payments and cash in the process.

Sure, these casinos may offer higher rewards/bonuses but reliability is what makes me stay consistent and loyal at a certain casino even if they offer lower bonuses as rewards.

My friend once said that the casino is the boss and any offer their make must come with conditions and in this case they made the rules and the most appealing condition for the casino is wagering,  since this condition brings in more money for the casino.

So every bonus is always attached with a wager condition and this condition always leads to more losses for the player and not the casino as the case may be.

[uneng]

Personally,  I try as much as possible to avoid deposit bonuses this is because of it accompanying conditions because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

I do think that these casino bonuses that are being offered are somehow misleading in nature- there are lots of conditions that must be met in order to receive it. In addition, sometimes, I often experience difficulty in withdrawing my cash due to some internal issues that the gambling company must first determine.

As much as I appreciate the bonuses being offered by these gambling websites, nothing beats a reliable gambling website that offers superior security and reliability when it comes to disposing payments and cash in the process.

Sure, these casinos may offer higher rewards/bonuses but reliability is what makes me stay consistent and loyal at a certain casino even if they offer lower bonuses as rewards.

That is why we have to read the bonus' terms before going for it. Maybe it's a hard thing to do for newbies, because they get excited when they see the promotion and want to take part of it as faster as possible, however, as we get more experienced on this industry we learn that nothing comes for free and that a 100% bonus on deposit must come with harsh requirements, otherwise casinos would be going bankrupt frequently.

The catchy point is that only few gamblers will be able to claim the final reward, since most will fail when trying to wager their deposits x40 or even more times. So casinos use the profit made with the gamblers in loss to pay the winner ones, exactly like it works with jackpot prizes. If we think carefully, deposit bonus works more like a bonus for the casino, not for the players...

[harizen]

The bottom line though is, regardless of the RTP or anything, or what the required turnover is, it ends up to the user's luck.

For example, some casinos offer deposit bonuses that can only be used on slots games. If you like table games and video poker more than slots, this is not good for you. You will be required to play only slots games and lose your money before you can use the bonus.

I don't think that was unusual and unfair by all means. It just make sense that deposit bonuses and promotions varies per gambling variations and type because of different playing style, types of algorithm, EV related stuffs, RTP''s etc.

That's why at most cases, there's a separate bonus terms just exclusively, for example, sports betting etc.

I'm sure there are no gambling sites that have the same deposit bonus terms between luck-based and strategy-based.

[kamvreto]

Personally,  I try as much as possible to avoid deposit bonuses this is because of it accompanying conditions because as a gambler the hardest and most painful experience is when you see that you lost all that you have won trying to meet the conditions of the casino,  because of the usage of bonus code and the requirements that comes with it.

Deposit and any other type of bonuses always come with these conditions and if a gambler is not careful enough to read and properly understand these conditions it may become the failing pits because they may be confronted with high wager conditions to meet up with which may become difficult to do.

I do think that these casino bonuses that are being offered are somehow misleading in nature- there are lots of conditions that must be met in order to receive it. In addition, sometimes, I often experience difficulty in withdrawing my cash due to some internal issues that the gambling company must first determine.

As much as I appreciate the bonuses being offered by these gambling websites, nothing beats a reliable gambling website that offers superior security and reliability when it comes to disposing of payments and cash in the process.

Sure, these casinos may offer higher rewards/bonuses but reliability is what makes me stay consistent and loyal at a certain casino even if they offer lower bonuses as rewards.

My friend once said that the casino is the boss and any offer their make must come with conditions and in this case they made the rules and the most appealing condition for the casino is wagering,  since this condition brings in more money for the casino.

So every bonus is always attached with a wager condition and this condition always leads to more losses for the player and not the casino as the case may be.

Bonuses are only a marketing strategy carried out by gambling to double their profits and attract more new users so that new users will make a deposit with a certain amount that is stated in the rules for receiving bonuses.
Terms and conditions are really a must read, as every online casino has their own rules. You really have to be careful not to be disappointed, don't just be tempted by Bonus Ads for new users, it's even the same as bait that will attract big fish to enter.

[ethereumhunter]

The deposit bonus is a bait, i mean, they are made to be hard for the users, and most of the users will not complete the wager, but some lucky user will complete it, you only need a good run for it.

But the main thing that I dislike about that kind of bonus is the fact that they limit the possible win, so, if you make a $100 depo, and get $200, and you are only allowed to withdraw $300, it would really suck if we are in a good run up to $1500 in balance and we can't take it all.

Yes, now it is not uncommon to see bonus conditions in the form of withdrawal restrictions. Most often I see a x10 maximum withdrawal limit from a deposit bonus. Also, for beginners casinos now give tricky free spins without a deposit, which can only be wagered for a real deposit.

So we should be careful and wise in choosing a bonus promo like that so we don't feel trapped in a promo. And we also have to check the rules of each promo and only choose the promo we think we can get. Apart from that, we must also remember that we have to bet with the money we can afford not to exceed our set limits.

Thus, we can gamble comfortably and without any burden at all. And we also don't need to try to follow the promo if we feel it is burdensome for us because we are the ones who have to choose the promo and not the casino that decides. The casino only gives a list of promos that we can follow, which will be up to us.

[panjul07]

Frankly speaking deposit bonus is not my thing as I'm not interested with it at all after I knew how it works.
At the beginning when I was still new in online gambling, I thought that deposit bonus is an attractive offer to be missed but after I changed my mind after I did some research.
However I'm experienced with No Deposit Bonus few times in the past where it was he most popular promotion offered by new casinos.
I have once completed the wagering requirement of No Deposit Bonus in Betchain and managed to withdraw the profit.
It was a lucky moment, but it does not make me interested to take any deposit bonus.

[alegotardo]

Hello! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

~snip~

This is very important information that you brought us.

Many casinos use the bonus strategy to attract new, inexperienced players who think that the bonus only increases the player's chances of winning (which is still true) but the details of how this bonus is awarded and can be redeemed many times they are only clear to the gambler when he tries to redeem it and realizes that he needs to meet the requirements for this, at which point he is emotionally shaken, becomes destabilized in the game and often ends up losing all the amount earned and also what he deposited.

I love receiving bonuses, I believe that no casino game would be as attractive without them, but unfortunately many inexperienced players do not consider their risks or even understand the mechanics of how it works.

Thanks for your contribution!

[dezoel]

I've taken a few deposit bonuses from betchain.com over the years and beat their wager requirement a few times. I'm not sure what % of the time I beat the wager, but it's not impossible.

In general, I agree with you that taking bonuses on a deposit is in favor of the casinos. I do however think taking a bonus on a small amount to test a casino isn't a bad idea. Not trying to think you're going to win bit or anything, but just tossing $50 in the trash and getting their deposit match to let you test more games. If you decide you like a platform, then you can make a normal deposit and reject a bonus.

That isn't a bad idea only to test a casino but most people don't take it that way, they don't make small deposits to get the bonus only to try out the platform but they make bigger deposits only so that they can get higher deposit bonus without thinking about the consequences of that and the wagering requirement they will need to complete before they can request a withdraw even if they manage to win something significant.

That is the reason why most people later start complaining that they are not being able to withdraw their winnings because they initially don't pay attention to the details of the bonuses the casino is providing and they simply just make deposits and start gambling and later on they get in trouble.

[Saint-loup]

Thank you friend! Before reading your message, I realized that I messed up a little with D+B, already fixed it.

You're welcome bro, no problem but the case where the wagering requirement applies to both the deposit and the bonus is the worst case scenario, usually the wagering requirement only applies to the bonus when you want to withdraw it or for a certain period of time before being forfeited. So to be fair,  a 40x requirement for the sum of the deposit and the bonus is pretty uncommon.

[Webetcoins]

What's the best is not to gamble with casinos that has such high wagering requirements for the bonuses they give out, because someone will surely lose his deposit before he manages to complete the wagering requirement which makes the bonus totally useless, people get excited when they see the percentage of the bonuses they can get for their deposits without understanding that they will get absolutely nothing out of that bonus.

So it is much better if you only gamble at casinos that requires you to complete a lower wagering requirement for both the deposit and the bonus, or one should simply gamble only with their deposited amount so that they don't have to go through the hassle.

[yahoo62278]

I've taken a few deposit bonuses from betchain.com over the years and beat their wager requirement a few times. I'm not sure what % of the time I beat the wager, but it's not impossible.

In general, I agree with you that taking bonuses on a deposit is in favor of the casinos. I do however think taking a bonus on a small amount to test a casino isn't a bad idea. Not trying to think you're going to win bit or anything, but just tossing $50 in the trash and getting their deposit match to let you test more games. If you decide you like a platform, then you can make a normal deposit and reject a bonus.

That isn't a bad idea only to test a casino but most people don't take it that way, they don't make small deposits to get the bonus only to try out the platform but they make bigger deposits only so that they can get higher deposit bonus without thinking about the consequences of that and the wagering requirement they will need to complete before they can request a withdraw even if they manage to win something significant.

That is the reason why most people later start complaining that they are not being able to withdraw their winnings because they initially don't pay attention to the details of the bonuses the casino is providing and they simply just make deposits and start gambling and later on they get in trouble.

You're probably right about the people not paying attention to the details of a deposit bonus. Honestly, there are probably 1% of gamblers who actually read the ToS prior to getting into an issue on a site. Most sign up, look for free money, then proceed to try and hit big. Casinos aren't stupid, they know these deposit bonuses are going to come out in their favor heavily and they also know that most people do not read the fine print.

[Casdinyard]

Deposit bonuses are a death trap.

You put in money hoping you'd get something more out of it until you realize that the money you got from them will be spent on their games and in turn return to their pockets anyway, nobody has been able to cheat at this system so far (AFAIK, let me know if there's someone and have him share his strat to let other people know of it as well because this type of borderline scamming is just god awful) since it centers around the casino itself, so the best way to win the game is to really not play it. There are casinos who still do this to this day cause there's market for people who are gullible enough to believe in this shenanigan. In any case, just don't look for bonuses when you play in a casino. That should do it really.

[darkangel11]

I don't understand why you say first we need to wager 50x times the deposit "x25 (D+B) = x50" and then you say we need to wager 50x times the deposit+the bonus "(wager 200*50=10k)" You've made a mistake I think. If the customer deposits $100 he will need to wager 50 x 100 = 5000$ or  (100 + 100) x 25 = 200 x 25 = 5000$

You're probably right about this. The wager requirement is for the bonus, not the deposit.
Although the casino has it calculated, if you see it from the player's perspective, let's say he plays with a $1 wager, so $100 gives 100 dice rolls, or slot spins, or whatever he chooses to play, but $200 allows for 200. The player benefits from it, even though the math is not in his favor, because he could be at a win after 100 rolls, but he'll still have to make more, putting the won amount at stake. That's what the casino wants, so that he keeps playing even if he gets a win early in the game, so a bonus can be somewhat limiting if you get lucky fast.

[SamReomo]

I personally don't like deposit bonuses for obvious reasons that have been mentioned here. There are various deposit bonus offers at different casinos but the hidden conditions make it hard to reach the mentioned level. The scenario is totally different for casino streamers who get a commission from wagering such bonuses btw.

Deposit bonus is not just to attract new gamblers but also to force them to gamble more and that’s the reality. So don’t get fooled about the 100% bonus when you deposit first because you’ll need to accomplish a task before you actually receive it, and that means you can lose more before you actually earn that bonus. Many casinos uses this kind of hype just to promote their site, again read everything before you believe on it.

Ofc, I don't deposit on a website that has no concrete T&S about deposit bonuses or promotions, there are several websites that offer such bonuses without clear terms and conditions. Promoting the website is just one side of the job, there are various cases that have been used against users to make marketing moves. Some users don't look closely and jump into such offers, unfortunately.

You're somewhat right about those users because most of the users get too greedy when they get bonuses that they avoid reading all the T&C of the casino site that's offering those bonuses. They get trapped in the game of the terms, and they in turn will have to play endlessly even if they are profitable most of the time. Those people should first read the terms and conditions before getting those bonuses. I don't think it's even necessary to have those bonuses in first place because only a loser type of gambler needs those bonuses to play more bets.

[ralle14]

The bottom line though is, regardless of the RTP or anything, or what the required turnover is, it ends up to the user's luck.

I agree, I remember taking a bonus with a low wagering requirement, but it didn't matter because I couldn't win anything good from most of my spins.

What's the best is not to gamble with casinos that has such high wagering requirements for the bonuses they give out, because someone will surely lose his deposit before he manages to complete the wagering requirement which makes the bonus totally useless, people get excited when they see the percentage of the bonuses they can get for their deposits without understanding that they will get absolutely nothing out of that bonus.

So it is much better if you only gamble at casinos that requires you to complete a lower wagering requirement for both the deposit and the bonus, or one should simply gamble only with their deposited amount so that they don't have to go through the hassle.

Only if you can find a casino with a low wagering requirement because it's rare to find a deposit bonus that doesn't have a high wagering requirement.

Gamblers shouldn't limit themselves to deposit bonuses as well now that casinos have different ways to reward their players.

[Mauser]

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

It's true that all casino games are negative EV for the player and it will be very unlikely for us to win constantly at the games. The longer we play the more likely is it for the casino to win. Which is not guaranteed though, the negative EV means that on average the number of losers at the casino will be higher than the number of winners. That's how the casino makes it money, but it's not a guarantee that there will be only losers. Some gamblers will be lucky and make money. As for your calculation the deposit bonus is only, and with a x40 wager requirement it would mean we need to wager 4k USD. The 96% RTP is not specific, with roulette or a good blackjack strategy we can get higher winning chances. So even with the lower 96% we would have 3840 USD after watering 4k, which would leaves us with 40 from our 100. And let's say we play more optimal with 98% RTP, we would make 20 USD profit. Also most deposit bonuses are 200%. So far k had good experiences with deposit bonuses, just don't focus on instantly chasing out again, eventually you will hit the barrier to withdraw.

[coin-investor]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

[Doan9269]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

There's nothing being deceptive here since they can't just expect receiving bonus from the platform and just make a withdrawal of those bonuses, what the gamblers don't often times know is the conditions they lay for such bonus offers, they gambling platforms will run a lost if they allow withdrawal of bonus without making a deposit first, i believe most of these bonuses were offered just to be used in trying their website and checking their plaform performance by giving a try on it and not to just go ahead straight to withdrawing them except you've meet up with some certain conditions.

[coinerer]

Snip

Giving deposit bonuses is a strategy of gambling sites that helps them attract gamblers. but when one accepts the bonus he must comply with the wagering requirements and as soon as he makes the deposit he will get the bonus but his balance will be frozen. So it is better to avoid bonus and gamble with break instead of panic is the best strategy to succeed in gambling. however, many people do not understand this issue and face many problems and lose a lot of money in gambling.

[tusandii]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

Maybe many gamblers have come to the conclusion that this is deceptive, but it's strange, why are there still so many gamblers chasing this bonus?
In my opinion, if we don't like one of the existing bonuses, it's better not to chase it without having to say that the bonus is unfair because after all, casinos are set up to do business, so it's only natural that there are a few things that make gamblers lose because of bonuses or promotions.
As in your last sentence, I agree with that and it is indeed better to choose a site that we can rely on for us to have fun without aiming to make a profit from a promotional bonus.

[piebeyb]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

Actually the word casino cheats is also unethical because casino marketing techniques are like that, so it's a bit harsh to say it's cheating even though it doesn't look that different, we know the marketing team works behind the casino and they keep trying to attract users by giving bonuses like this, we agree and Surely you see a lot on the internet, lots of other marketing services which can help sell goods that are not feasible but sell well, that's how marketing works.

Tricks and marketing techniques at casinos because they can attract users to gamble in them, moreover the better the marketing techniques the more successful the casino becomes big and earns a lot of money, there are many cases of new users who don't read the requirements so they are lulled by the bonus finally register then play then it's hard reach the requirements eventually play until their deposit money runs out. this is not a trick but a great marketing technique in it..  

[slapper]

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

It's true that all casino games are negative EV for the player and it will be very unlikely for us to win constantly at the games. The longer we play the more likely is it for the casino to win. Which is not guaranteed though, the negative EV means that on average the number of losers at the casino will be higher than the number of winners. That's how the casino makes it money, but it's not a guarantee that there will be only losers. Some gamblers will be lucky and make money. As for your calculation the deposit bonus is only, and with a x40 wager requirement it would mean we need to wager 4k USD. The 96% RTP is not specific, with roulette or a good blackjack strategy we can get higher winning chances. So even with the lower 96% we would have 3840 USD after watering 4k, which would leaves us with 40 from our 100. And let's say we play more optimal with 98% RTP, we would make 20 USD profit. Also most deposit bonuses are 200%. So far k had good experiences with deposit bonuses, just don't focus on instantly chasing out again, eventually you will hit the barrier to withdraw.

You've a hint of truth regarding casino bonuses, yet a deeper grasp of casino math is vital. All games being -EV is, broadly, correct but remember, it's an extended period average. An individual's reality could differ greatly. Your RTP point, around 96%, overlooks a key fact: RTP reflects millions of spins, not one game. So, one could still score a big win short-term, RTP notwithstanding. Moreover, discussing expected losses, wagering requirement and bonus size are key. A smaller requirement could, in theory, make a bonus worthwhile, even with a -EV game.

[Helena Yu]

In the end, if you think you can beat the casino through lucky based games, you're only dreaming. Before the casino launch the welcome bonus, they have calculated it and make sure most of the gamblers will lose, if they're giving welcome bonus in order to make the gamblers win, they will going to bankrupt ASAP.

It's not about deposit bonus, but wager contest, rakeback, etc something involved in lucky based games aren't ways to beat the house.

[Casdinyard]

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

It's true that all casino games are negative EV for the player and it will be very unlikely for us to win constantly at the games. The longer we play the more likely is it for the casino to win. Which is not guaranteed though, the negative EV means that on average the number of losers at the casino will be higher than the number of winners. That's how the casino makes it money, but it's not a guarantee that there will be only losers. Some gamblers will be lucky and make money. As for your calculation the deposit bonus is only, and with a x40 wager requirement it would mean we need to wager 4k USD. The 96% RTP is not specific, with roulette or a good blackjack strategy we can get higher winning chances. So even with the lower 96% we would have 3840 USD after watering 4k, which would leaves us with 40 from our 100. And let's say we play more optimal with 98% RTP, we would make 20 USD profit. Also most deposit bonuses are 200%. So far k had good experiences with deposit bonuses, just don't focus on instantly chasing out again, eventually you will hit the barrier to withdraw.

You've a hint of truth regarding casino bonuses, yet a deeper grasp of casino math is vital. All games being -EV is, broadly, correct but remember, it's an extended period average. An individual's reality could differ greatly. Your RTP point, around 96%, overlooks a key fact: RTP reflects millions of spins, not one game. So, one could still score a big win short-term, RTP notwithstanding. Moreover, discussing expected losses, wagering requirement and bonus size are key. A smaller requirement could, in theory, make a bonus worthwhile, even with a -EV game.

While there's some truth to your statement, I'm pretty positive that RTP stands and represents well how much your average win will be regardless. The problem with your statement is that it takes into account eventualities that do not happen in average, whereas these guidelines are made to give the gamblers a pretty good picture of how a usual game will go, regardless of how many spins/turns it took for them to come up with that percentage.

Let me ask you this, how many people win massive short-term prizes in slots in one sitting? Do they represent the general public of people who are gambling in slots? Are their results relevant enough to take into account when you're talking about EV and RTP? I don't think so.

[YOSHIE]

Damn, i really didn't make it with the rules x10-x30 it really pisses me off, i don't care deposit bonus, daily bonus, bet bonus and so on, I prefer to deposit, bet winning is mine, losing is bad luck for me, I don't want to bother with x10 and x50 it sucks, I am currently active at 4 online casinos, all of which have bonuses, but I don't use any of them, just let them drift away in the waves.

Before i know how the casino applies the bonus rules, i always lose, it's not mine, since i know the bonus is one of blah, blah, I put it on the bed, it doesn't matter if it disappears or not, bonuses are not a good solution for me in betting.

[aioc]

This is the reason why when promoting to new players I seldom use deposit bonuses I prefer to promote the reputation of the casino, the games, and potential winning, and if I promote the deposit bonuses I clearly explain the rules so my referral will not blame me in case he'll have an issue with the wagering requirement.

A deposit bonus is very attractive and used mainly to test the casino but be sure to check the rule of the deposit bonus so you'll know what to expect.

[Plaguedeath]

A deposit bonus is very attractive and used mainly to test the casino but be sure to check the rule of the deposit bonus so you'll know what to expect.

I don't think deposit bonus is used to test the casino, most of casinos already have worthless token or faucet which can be used to test the casino without need to risk any money and you can gamble it as much as you want.

Deposit bonus is usually use to attract new people to gambler because they're still not familiar with deposit bonus rules and they think they can make easy money.

[AmoreJaz]

A deposit bonus is very attractive and used mainly to test the casino but be sure to check the rule of the deposit bonus so you'll know what to expect.

I don't think deposit bonus is used to test the casino, most of casinos already have worthless token or faucet which can be used to test the casino without need to risk any money and you can gamble it as much as you want.

Deposit bonus is usually use to attract new people to gambler because they're still not familiar with deposit bonus rules and they think they can make easy money.

most of them are bait for the players. but sad to say, a lot of them failed to check the terms that come with it and usually, it has high wagering requirements. let's admit the fact that most of the games you will play won't let your bankroll survive for long especially if you don't know how to prolong your bankroll. hence, suffice to say, if you will comply with the terms for the deposit bonus, i don't think you will ever get to the point of withdrawing your winnings.
that is the very reason why casinos are offering lucrative deposit bonuses because they know most of these cases will just go to their vaults at the end of the day. and still giving a positive notion to the casino promotion.

[BitcoinPanther]

I also avoid claiming deposit bonus because I feel that the bonus is a trap.  I agree on the calculation of @OP and claiming the bonus is like giving the bonus back with our fund.  We all know that in a casino, the longer we stay in a single game the greater the chance to lose.  Aside from that claiming bonus had another set of requirement and often time the wagering requirement triggers when we lost our deposited bankroll.  And deposit bonus  got consume after we lost all our bankroll.

[goldkingcoiner]

obviously, sign up as well as deposit bonuses are just marketing tools for online gambling casinos. And they are very effective.

from the perspective of a marketing guy, I understand and respect why this tactic is used in the world of gambling to find new customers (gamblers) for their gambling website. But that does not really mean that this is how the casinos take money from you. It is just how they get new people to use their gambling website. Basically what I mean is that advertising is what any business does, Casinos are not exempt from that.

But yes, casinos hope that you will probably gamble and lose both the deposit and the bonus. But that's just business.

[Reatim]

This only comes for those who are dedicated in gambling and not just for the bonuses and lets be truth mate as that is why being called "BONUS" ? because it is just a bonus meaning that is only given to those who are playing and not for someone that expect just to surely pocket money .

Gambling is a business mean what? people inside the team wanted to earn and not to give away money.

and simple solution ? don't play for bonuses instead play for what you believe the site that can give you more chances to win(depend on what you believe in)

I don't understand why you say first we need to wager 50x times the deposit "x25 (D+B) = x50" and then you say we need to wager 50x times the deposit+the bonus "(wager 200*50=10k)" You've made a mistake I think. If the customer deposits $100 he will need to wager 50 x 100 = 5000$ or  (100 + 100) x 25 = 200 x 25 = 5000$

You're probably right about this. The wager requirement is for the bonus, not the deposit.
Although the casino has it calculated, if you see it from the player's perspective, let's say he plays with a $1 wager, so $100 gives 100 dice rolls, or slot spins, or whatever he chooses to play, but $200 allows for 200. The player benefits from it, even though the math is not in his favor, because he could be at a win after 100 rolls, but he'll still have to make more, putting the won amount at stake. That's what the casino wants, so that he keeps playing even if he gets a win early in the game, so a bonus can be somewhat limiting if you get lucky fast.

the computation seems to be correct and OP overestimated the amount to be wagered .

[rojan]

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Giving deposit bonuses is a strategy of gambling sites that helps them attract gamblers. but when one accepts the bonus he must comply with the wagering requirements and as soon as he makes the deposit he will get the bonus but his balance will be frozen. So it is better to avoid bonus and gamble with break instead of panic is the best strategy to succeed in gambling. however, many people do not understand this issue and face many problems and lose a lot of money in gambling.

Yes, I didn't understand much about gambling at first. At first, a new gambling site gives you an unspecified bonus when you deposit. But now I'm a big fan of gambling.I lost a lot of money while playing gambling without understanding anything about gambling in the first stage. Now I don't have to face such problems. But I think gambling is a deadly addiction. We should stay away from gambling.

[Nrcewker]

These deposit bonuses are only done to attract more customers to the site. There are often many limitations and conditions attached to these bonuses which you need to fulfil before withdrawing the money. More is the bonus amount, more will the be conditions attached to it. And in order to fulfil the necessary conditions, the gambler have to bet big with the balance. When you bet big, there is huge chance that you will make losses, hence the casino makes money and takes away the money through deposit bonuses.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

But percentage wise it is the same. Normally, those who make large deposits have more money and it affects their economy proportionally as much as those who make small deposits. The 96% RTP applies equally. So I don't see the point of avoiding large deposits unless you make them beyond your means.

The fact of the matter is that you stay longer in the game. In any case, casino RTP leads to a loss, this is not poker.

This is clear, if you are looking for real profit don't fool yourself, look for poker or sports betting but it requires study, time and effort. All other casino games are for entertainment or fun, knowing that even if you come out of a session in the positive, losing money is inevitable in the long run.

[Blitzboy]

These deposit bonuses are only done to attract more customers to the site. There are often many limitations and conditions attached to these bonuses which you need to fulfil before withdrawing the money. More is the bonus amount, more will the be conditions attached to it. And in order to fulfil the necessary conditions, the gambler have to bet big with the balance. When you bet big, there is huge chance that you will make losses, hence the casino makes money and takes away the money through deposit bonuses.

Absolutely, deposit bonuses, attractive as they appear, primarily lure more clientele to virtual casinos. However, these come with a flurry of conditions, often correlating with the bonus size. It's a subtle snare pushing gamblers to riskier stakes.

To fulfill these prerequisites, numerous bettors incur significant losses, and invariably, the house triumphs. This tactic confirms 'The house always wins'. Let's enlighten our gambling brethren and foster responsible wagering. It's wiser to play safe than regret!

[panjul07]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

Maybe many gamblers have come to the conclusion that this is deceptive, but it's strange, why are there still so many gamblers chasing this bonus?
In my opinion, if we don't like one of the existing bonuses, it's better not to chase it without having to say that the bonus is unfair because after all, casinos are set up to do business, so it's only natural that there are a few things that make gamblers lose because of bonuses or promotions.
As in your last sentence, I agree with that and it is indeed better to choose a site that we can rely on for us to have fun without aiming to make a profit from a promotional bonus.

How do you know there are still many gamblers who are chasing for deposit bonus? Is there any valid source to see the statistic on how many players who take deposit bonus?
Maybe there were many gamblers took deposit bonus especially newbies but I dont think experienced gamblers are attracted to deposit bonus these days.
Even if there are still some gamblers who take deposit bonus, I'm sure most of them are newbies because they are not experienced enough and they are not fully aware about the consequences of taking deposit bonus.

[hyudien]

As long as I was at the casino regarding the first deposit bonus there was nothing that I complied with because as you said that in the end we will all lose more than we gain more than what we bet on. So personally if I want to play make a deposit without activating the bonus. Apart from avoiding greater requirements, it will certainly require us to make more deposits. In this case I prefer to play clean by making a deposit that I can afford and play with what I want without any burden of other requirements to be met.

[Wapfika]

As long as I was at the casino regarding the first deposit bonus there was nothing that I complied with because as you said that in the end we will all lose more than we gain more than what we bet on. So personally if I want to play make a deposit without activating the bonus. Apart from avoiding greater requirements, it will certainly require us to make more deposits. In this case I prefer to play clean by making a deposit that I can afford and play with what I want without any burden of other requirements to be met.

Availing deposit is not bad because it can be forfeit anytime without affecting your total bankroll. This is the reason why many users abuse deposit promotion, they keep Availing deposit bonus then play on low house edge games to maintain a positive EV and slowly meet the requirements.

There's no difference on game play with or without bonuses since those extra requirements can be forfeit if the players doesn't want it anymore. The only downside of doing what OP suggest was the casino might freeze your account for taking advantage of their bonuses since you are playing just for the bonus sake and not as a regular customer.

[danherbias07]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

Maybe many gamblers have come to the conclusion that this is deceptive, but it's strange, why are there still so many gamblers chasing this bonus?
In my opinion, if we don't like one of the existing bonuses, it's better not to chase it without having to say that the bonus is unfair because after all, casinos are set up to do business, so it's only natural that there are a few things that make gamblers lose because of bonuses or promotions.
As in your last sentence, I agree with that and it is indeed better to choose a site that we can rely on for us to have fun without aiming to make a profit from a promotional bonus.

How do you know there are still many gamblers who are chasing for deposit bonus? Is there any valid source to see the statistic on how many players who take deposit bonus?
Maybe there were many gamblers took deposit bonus especially newbies but I dont think experienced gamblers are attracted to deposit bonus these days.
Even if there are still some gamblers who take deposit bonus, I'm sure most of them are newbies because they are not experienced enough and they are not fully aware about the consequences of taking deposit bonus.

I don't have the statistics too, but I think gamblers are always aiming for something extra.
Like in Stake.com, if you check the chatbox before the monthly bonus is given (a day or two), there are many gamblers who cannot wait for it to be given because they want to play more.
I don't also care about deposit bonuses, but if it is given as you start then why not. I would take it, I don't believe that it will just be taken back by the online casino just like that. There are games where it will rely on you on how you can win.
Let's say Crash Originals, if you ain't too greedy playing the game then profits can be made. I've done it, twice. But it's a game of patience and I don't think many gamblers are patient enough to play a game where you wait for the numbers rolling and then crash.
I believe desperation may also be the problem or we don't care too much about the money given because it's a bonus, so we squander it without thinking until we are using the real deposit amount. That's when we are careful.

[darewaller]

Actually players know exactly how the wager requirements are set by the casino to prevent players from easily taking the bonuses provided because casinos are a business and business is always profit-oriented, and if there are players who continue to chase bonuses it's not because they will be able to pass the wager requirements. but thinking luck will help them get through it, and without looking at the calculations provided by the OP all gamblers almost know for sure that it is difficult to pass the requirements but seeing the promised bonus is still more tempting than the possibility of losing the entire deposit.
But I would prefer to play normally without claiming the bonus because it's almost impossible to pass even though I've done it but it's no more than 30x the wager requirement.

For the old-time players, yes but for those newbies, I don't think they know a lot when it comes to those things. They are the main target of the casinos. It was like when they see the term bonus, they will get excited and try it immediately and it will be too late already before knowing that there is a catch to it and it was hard to fulfill it. Some can still get lucky and successfully snatch the bonus but I won't always hope for it.

Maybe if there is no deposit involved, I will do it. Passing the wagering requirement which are less than 30x, is already hard but how much more the usual 30x right? It will be better if we just play the normal way, just to cut the stress.

[Unbunplease]

The deposit bonus is an additional incentive. However, it is not easy to withdraw this bonus, as there are always certain conditions. Essentially, a person has to pay a certain amount of money one way or another. And one must have good nerves not to lose everything in pursuit of fulfilling the conditions that allow the withdrawal of the bonus

[ethereumhunter]

These deposit bonuses are only done to attract more customers to the site. There are often many limitations and conditions attached to these bonuses which you need to fulfil before withdrawing the money. More is the bonus amount, more will the be conditions attached to it. And in order to fulfil the necessary conditions, the gambler have to bet big with the balance. When you bet big, there is huge chance that you will make losses, hence the casino makes money and takes away the money through deposit bonuses.

Wagering requirements are a problem for many gamblers, especially small gamblers. And small gamblers who only use small money as a deposit will not be able to get any bonuses and do not have a big chance to win some money. And even though there is a deposit bonus and many gamblers can get it, it does not guarantee gamblers can win big money. Most of them have suffered many losses and lost the money they deposited. And that's the money the casinos make while the gamblers lose. But that also doesn't stop gamblers from taking a break after a loss; they even deposit more money to continue gambling.

[piebeyb]

The deposit bonus is an additional incentive. However, it is not easy to withdraw this bonus, as there are always certain conditions. Essentially, a person has to pay a certain amount of money one way or another. And one must have good nerves not to lose everything in pursuit of fulfilling the conditions that allow the withdrawal of the bonus

The high bonus value sometimes makes people feel tempted to claim the bonus, but unfortunately they never read all the bonuses provided by the casino are not free of course there must be requirements, anyone can withdraw them by meeting the required requirements but sometimes it is not easy to benefit from bonuses it or pull it.

In the end, when making a deposit and getting a bonus, think of it as an incentive for us to play, it will only give us additional duration to play gambling, even though the end result is to lose all deposit money including bonuses because of losing, just try to play it with a mindset only to looking for fun so that you are not too disappointed when you fail, but if you win, just think of it as a bonus. 

[dezoel]

Giving deposit bonuses is a strategy of gambling sites that helps them attract gamblers. but when one accepts the bonus he must comply with the wagering requirements and as soon as he makes the deposit he will get the bonus but his balance will be frozen. So it is better to avoid bonus and gamble with break instead of panic is the best strategy to succeed in gambling. however, many people do not understand this issue and face many problems and lose a lot of money in gambling.

Yes, I didn't understand much about gambling at first. At first, a new gambling site gives you an unspecified bonus when you deposit. But now I'm a big fan of gambling.I lost a lot of money while playing gambling without understanding anything about gambling in the first stage. Now I don't have to face such problems. But I think gambling is a deadly addiction. We should stay away from gambling.

Whether you stay away from gambling or not, try to have some limits if you want to avoid getting addicted to it, have a specific amount of time that you will spend on your gambling activities per week, and also decide on a budget that you will spend and if you have lost it, you won't gamble anymore for the whole week, this way, you won't get addicted because you will know your limits and you will gamble accordingly, only if you can follow it.

What I would suggest you stay away from are bonuses that are offered by all the casinos, some of them might be good if they don't have very high wagering requirements, but most of them do have high wagering requirements and you will lose your deposit along with the bonus before you complete the requirement.

[ryzaadit]

Final note for these-case

Avoid bonus with x40-x50 turn-over, because is being designed 99% they want the player losing. Just accept or joint the promotion at least with x10-x15 waggering rules, these rules still can be reached.

But x40-x50. They design for us 99% losing.

[coinerer]

Snip

Giving deposit bonuses is a strategy of gambling sites that helps them attract gamblers. but when one accepts the bonus he must comply with the wagering requirements and as soon as he makes the deposit he will get the bonus but his balance will be frozen. So it is better to avoid bonus and gamble with break instead of panic is the best strategy to succeed in gambling. however, many people do not understand this issue and face many problems and lose a lot of money in gambling.

Yes, I didn't understand much about gambling at first. At first, a new gambling site gives you an unspecified bonus when you deposit. But now I'm a big fan of gambling.I lost a lot of money while playing gambling without understanding anything about gambling in the first stage. Now I don't have to face such problems. But I think gambling is a deadly addiction. We should stay away from gambling.

Many casino sites have the option to take deposit bonus or not and the user can choose it as per his wish. so note this while making a deposit and then skip the bonus option to avoid encountering the wagering requirement. Because the wagering requirement creates extra stress for a gambler. So you should always avoid bonuses whether you understand it or not

[Huppercase]

I also avoid claiming deposit bonus because I feel that the bonus is a trap.  I agree on the calculation of @OP and claiming the bonus is like giving the bonus back with our fund.  We all know that in a casino, the longer we stay in a single game the greater the chance to lose.  Aside from that claiming bonus had another set of requirement and often time the wagering requirement triggers when we lost our deposited bankroll.  And deposit bonus  got consume after we lost all our bankroll.

I am part of the positive move that bonus should be scrap by casinos, it's a good marketing strategy but at the end, it's like a slavery money you can not utilize the way you want, what is the use of it then. Instead of giving this huge bonus in 300% or 500% as we do see in casinos, they better give in small amount so that gamblers don't have to struggle for ways to rollover bonus and still end up what they have won already and casinos always win and who knows may be the amount are just virtual, not real u till a request of withdrawals are been initiated.

However, I think free things is not everywhere, it's just a strategy to keep players revolving around there casino and no matter how people see the bonus as a trap by casinos, there are some players that do make money from the bonuses they offer and that's why we see cases of account abuse in casinos, it favors some and it doesn't favor some players.

[Yatsan]

The deposit bonus is an additional incentive. However, it is not easy to withdraw this bonus, as there are always certain conditions. Essentially, a person has to pay a certain amount of money one way or another. And one must have good nerves not to lose everything in pursuit of fulfilling the conditions that allow the withdrawal of the bonus

I do think of the same thing. As per my experience, everytime I make a deposit, the amount in usd is the same as with how much I have deposited. Deposit bonus I guess is to give players a bigger exposure of gambling games which could give them an idea to again deposit once they have lost the first one, 'coz their first deposit will give them the idea that they got more than wwhat they have paid for because of deposit bonus. I do get the point of other users using mathematical representations but I just believe that it is more of a psychological idea behind this, as part of their marketing strategy. Somewhat likewise with welcome bonuses, but a prolonged one.

[len01]

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Maybe there were many gamblers took deposit bonus especially newbies but I dont think experienced gamblers are attracted to deposit bonus these days.
Even if there are still some gamblers who take deposit bonus, I'm sure most of them are newbies because they are not experienced enough and they are not fully aware about the consequences of taking deposit bonus.

exactly right. beginner gamblers are more interested in big bonuses, they don't even see the risks that have to be taken to be able to take this bonus with a very large total bet and it is difficult to achieve it.
It's natural that old gamblers are no longer interested in deposit bonuses because they don't want to be complicated chasing a high total bet and for me it's not the same as the results you get, except the deposit bonus terms are very easy. but it seems impossible.

IMO, novice gamblers only think about the amount of bonuses given by the casino without thinking about the risks that must be taken.

[Doan9269]

As long as I was at the casino regarding the first deposit bonus there was nothing that I complied with because as you said that in the end we will all lose more than we gain more than what we bet on. So personally if I want to play make a deposit without activating the bonus.

There's no doubt that we have to give in much on gambling than we receives from it, this is one of the common fact except for the lucky ones that will unexpectedly win a jackpot at the course, but some have to also put themselves in their shoe if they will allow for such withdrawal of bonus without making a deposit first

Apart from avoiding greater requirements, it will certainly require us to make more deposits. In this case I prefer to play clean by making a deposit that I can afford and play with what I want without any burden of other requirements to be met.

Many gamblers will expect to gain and make profits even where they perform less or nothing and if everyone keep making such attempt, how will the casinos survived, they are also out to make business and earn from what they do being a gambling casino, it's not all about the gamblers having the pursuit of winning always, the casinos also needs to maintain their security system and casinos through the earnings realized from gamblers using their platform.

[dezoel]

As long as I was at the casino regarding the first deposit bonus there was nothing that I complied with because as you said that in the end we will all lose more than we gain more than what we bet on. So personally if I want to play make a deposit without activating the bonus. Apart from avoiding greater requirements, it will certainly require us to make more deposits. In this case I prefer to play clean by making a deposit that I can afford and play with what I want without any burden of other requirements to be met.

That is obviously the best option only to make a deposit without taking any deposit bonus so that you are free from the wagering requirement because a wagering requirement won't let you withdraw the money if you manage to win something very quickly after starting to play a game which happens sometimes when you are playing in a slot machine if you are playing only with the deposit, you can withdraw any time when the deposit wagering requirement is met which isn't too much in most cases.

If a casino has a high wagering requirement only for the deposit without any bonus, one should avoid that and look for a platform that doesn't have a very high wagering requirement for only the deposit so that they don't face issues withdrawing the money once they get a big win.

[CarnagexD]

Hi all! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x25 (D+B) = x50, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*50=10k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every 100 dollars wagered we get back 96 dollars according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), 960 dollars for 1k wager (1000-960=40), 9600 dollars for 10k wager (10000-9600=400). And after the full wagering, we will lose 400 dollars, which gives a very large -EV. I do not advise you to take any bonuses more than x10 wager (depending on RTP). These bonuses are rare. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

I don't understand why you say first we need to wager 50x times the deposit "x25 (D+B) = x50" and then you say we need to wager 50x times the deposit+the bonus "(wager 200*50=10k)" You've made a mistake I think. If the customer deposits $100 he will need to wager 50 x 100 = 5000$ or  (100 + 100) x 25 = 200 x 25 = 5000$

it is on his own expected value and own preference for example. But yes I get your point. But for me, that just means that bonus dollar would truly invite gambler to play with their own money by depositing it along with their rewards. Who cares about the math right? I have the $100 bonus eh. I will turn this $100 + my deposit into a $100K in 4 days. Then boom. I lost all my money. That's how casinos work. That easy. To attract gamblers and take the money of those gamblers. Through probabilities, in a long series of bet plus transaction cost to be paid. The house always wins.

[dunfida]

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Maybe there were many gamblers took deposit bonus especially newbies but I dont think experienced gamblers are attracted to deposit bonus these days.
Even if there are still some gamblers who take deposit bonus, I'm sure most of them are newbies because they are not experienced enough and they are not fully aware about the consequences of taking deposit bonus.

exactly right. beginner gamblers are more interested in big bonuses, they don't even see the risks that have to be taken to be able to take this bonus with a very large total bet and it is difficult to achieve it.
It's natural that old gamblers are no longer interested in deposit bonuses because they don't want to be complicated chasing a high total bet and for me it's not the same as the results you get, except the deposit bonus terms are very easy. but it seems impossible.

IMO, novice gamblers only think about the amount of bonuses given by the casino without thinking about the risks that must be taken.

Indeed! They are the ones who would really be that attracted with these type or kind of bonuses on which they would really be having that kind of impression that this is something that would really be giving out that kind of advantage on which they do believe that they could really be having more which having the chance on having those winnings which it isnt really that right to have that kind of mindset. This would really be pushing you to be that desperate because of those wrong impressions but on the time that you do realize about those terms and conditions then you would find that these bonuses are shit.
These are just things that lures out people to play and casinos are making it look as interesting as possible.

[Bananington]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

It's just business, and no one should get angry at their own strategy. That's why there are more than one Casinos with better service and reward system.
Am sure regulators would knock on the door of anyone going astray from the doings of a casino with a lawsuit to prohibit or sanction such acts. Until this happens, we can patronize other better casinos, that's if this isn't a norm among them all.

[lionheart78]

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.

I do not think that it is deceptive.  First, before we claim the bonus, the terms are already stated.  It is up to us if we claim it or not.  There is no hidden rule or agenda on there, even the wagering requirement and how the bonus amount is spent are stated on the terms.  So I really don't think that there is a deception in there.

Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

I believe the bonus amount for the deposit is for that kind of function.  To test and explore the platform games.  It is indeed beneficial for players that wanted to experience a longer gameplay on the platform without intending to come out with any winnings.  Else they will be frustrated on the wagering requirement since it needs a certain wagering amount to be able to withdraw the winnings from the deposit bonus

[LUCKMCFLY]

I personally know one casino where the wager for x1 bonuses. For example, they give a 100% bonus up to $1000 with x1 wagering. The casino withdraws money, but verification is required through the bot in the service. The perfect casino for a bonus hunters. I'm ready to give a link for a small remuneration, PM.

Which casino do you know with 1x wagering requirements but has a 100% or $1000 bonus, tell us the name I'm also curious about the casino you mean.
Many casinos already use bots in their services, so it's not a difficult thing, but at least if there is a problem they want to deal with it right away, not a bot that actually gives a response.

Regarding bonuses, I have never felt getting a bonus with a decent and easy amount with just 1x bet.

I am also very curious about that casino, because the truth is that the only one I know that sometimes gives bonuses of this style is bitcasino.io, and that casino is one of the best in the world and in the forum, it is up to the standards. best in the world, but if there is another one like that that has those wagering requirements I would like to know, because I have seen that some members of the forum list the best casinos with their withdrawal fees, minimum deposit and everything, but with that amount of 1x It really matters a lot, because that's like playing with the money that is deposited but only a bit more leveraged , because 1x seems really decent to me.

I agree it's deceptive and yet it's still the popular way to invite gamblers to try their games, I seldom participate in deposit bonuses, because of the requirements, I prefer to deposit with no attachment of unusually high wagering requirements.
Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

It's just business, and no one should get angry at their own strategy. That's why there are more than one Casinos with better service and reward system.
Am sure regulators would knock on the door of anyone going astray from the doings of a casino with a lawsuit to prohibit or sanction such acts. Until this happens, we can patronize other better casinos, that's if this isn't a norm among them all.

Of course , this is a Fact, every casino according to their financial capabilities Offers their Services, contests and Bonuses , some are less difficult than others , but why? Because their clients need it, it's not that they give away money, but sometimes the bonuses are necessary for some players because they only care about playing and playing more and more, there are others who only seek to earn money and see a casino that is like an ATM, the I really don't know how they can expect that, I do not have any illusions, I am Clear that when I enter a casino my options are very clear to me , I Cannot imagine winning a lot because I bet Little, and every win I have I treasure and not I risk, the fact of seeing the casino as a Business that has few tickets , But if I get them I don't Risk them.

[Fortify]

Hello! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

It's nice to see the mathematical breakdown on the welcome bonus equation because it's rarely highlighted here. However as soon as I see you must wager x amount of times to unlock the cash, it instantly turns me off the offer because, as you've highlighted, you are almost guaranteed to lose any potential money you might have "unlocked" by having to risk it repeatedly. If anything it is the casino trying to form a habit behavior in you and get you familiar with all of their gambling offerings. Then you start to wonder, can I even withdraw my money at this point or you might just overdo it and forget that you start wagering your own initial deposit after you burn through the whole amount given away on the initial wagering offer. Just best to avoid anything with more than a simple 1x or 2x wagering requirement, if any at all.

[LUCKMCFLY]

At some point when we have fallen for casino bonuses, we think that the casino takes our money, or it is a way to do it, but it is not, we have fallen for laziness of not reading the terms and conditions of the bonuses, and that is something that I will never deny, that is why I learned that bonuses, contests where there are betting requirements, I learned not to take them unless they are free or with a 1x wager, otherwise I do not do it, with respect to the fact that casinos they steal the deposit no, it is not like that, they set the conditions and it is up to us to decide if we want to take it or not.

Hello! Seeing here a topic about bonuses and rewards. Decided to create a topic. It seems to me very important for players who do not understand how RTP works in a casino and why they give deposit bonuses with a large wager (x10+). Also, those who did not understand how it works before will be able to calculate EV (Expected value) by themselves. And yes, you can still find bonuses with +EV, I personally know one such casino.

The best bonus is not to take the bonus if it has a big wager, because it will be -EV (-Expected value). Any casino game is -EV, if you play by the rules of the casino. I will give an example of why you should not take deposit bonuses with a high wager. The casino gives a 100% bonus on the first deposit and wager x40 (D+B) = 200 x40 = 8k, we make a deposit of $100 and they give us another $100 = $200 (wager 200*40=8k). The casino has an average RTP of 96% (percent is different everywhere, depends on slots or house games and so on). For every $100 wagered we get back $96 according to the mathematical expectation (100-96=4), $960 for 1k wager (1000-960=40), $7680 for 8k wager (8000-7680=320). And after the full wagering, we will lose $320 (D+B and also we need more $120), which gives a very large -EV. Who thinks about this and the casinos began to raise the wager.

It's nice to see the mathematical breakdown on the welcome bonus equation because it's rarely highlighted here. However as soon as I see you must wager x amount of times to unlock the cash, it instantly turns me off the offer because, as you've highlighted, you are almost guaranteed to lose any potential money you might have "unlocked" by having to risk it repeatedly. If anything it is the casino trying to form a habit behavior in you and get you familiar with all of their gambling offerings. Then you start to wonder, can I even withdraw my money at this point or you might just overdo it and forget that you start wagering your own initial deposit after you burn through the whole amount given away on the initial wagering offer. Just best to avoid anything with more than a simple 1x or 2x wagering requirement, if any at all.

I like the way he does the analysis, this is something that many sometimes ask themselves, when I was a novice and they told me 10x, 5x, whatever, I assumed it because I didn't really know how that worked, I saw it as normal, almost I didn't even know how it worked, but when I was doing things to withdraw money I wasn't given, and that's the first rookie hit I took, obviously I lost the money I deposited, because I didn't even read, but I contacted support and In support they told me what I had to do, and since I started to play faster and with desperation, I lost that money, and obviously one feels angry, because one feels that the casino did not rob you, but that is not the case, they are options that give a casino, one will see if he takes them or not.

[markk1]

I found one casino, deposit bonuses are some kind of nonsense.

Bonus Terms: All Bonuses, including but not limited to, welcome bonus, birthday bonus, special bonus, and any other bonuses, are valid for 7 days upon the point of claiming. If any associated playthrough (place bets) for the bonus haven’t been met within the 7-day period, the current bonus balance will be removed from the account. The wagering requirement – 40, a max deposit – 1000, and a max win – 500.

The minimum amount for a withdrawal is currently 100 Euros. Winnings may currently be withdrawn up to 1500 Euros per calendar week, except for VIP Bronze and VIP Chrome be up to 500 Euros per calendar week. You can make up to 4 withdrawals a month without charge. Each additional withdrawal transaction shall be charged a 60 Euro fee. We may change the above minimum amounts from time to time at our discretion. In case a customer has a pending withdrawal, deposit limits and/or withdrawal limits cannot be altered.

The maximum win from deposit bonuses is x0.5 (if maximum deposit) + your deposit 1000 = 1500! No matter how much you deposit, 100 or 1000, maximum win - 500 + your deposit!

[maydna]

Only good if you want to try the platform without thinking of any profit and just want to play be entertained and let whatever happens,  happen, I am more comfortable with that.

I believe the bonus amount for the deposit is for that kind of function.  To test and explore the platform games.  It is indeed beneficial for players that wanted to experience a longer gameplay on the platform without intending to come out with any winnings.  Else they will be frustrated on the wagering requirement since it needs a certain wagering amount to be able to withdraw the winnings from the deposit bonus

Well, it's better that way because we won't be disappointed if we lose our try. We will also know how good the casino is, and maybe if we still want to know more, we can deposit as much money as we can afford and see how good our luck is. Testing and exploring the casino platform is highly recommended before we make the casino a good casino, and we can add it to our casino list or recommend it to friends later. But after all, casinos must know how to take all their money without us noticing because playing gambling pleases many people and keeps them returning to the casino.

[markk1]

I found one casino, deposit bonuses are some kind of nonsense.

Bonus Terms: All Bonuses, including but not limited to, welcome bonus, birthday bonus, special bonus, and any other bonuses, are valid for 7 days upon the point of claiming. If any associated playthrough (place bets) for the bonus haven’t been met within the 7-day period, the current bonus balance will be removed from the account. The wagering requirement – 40, a max deposit – 1000, and a max win – 500.

The minimum amount for a withdrawal is currently 100 Euros. Winnings may currently be withdrawn up to 1500 Euros per calendar week, except for VIP Bronze and VIP Chrome be up to 500 Euros per calendar week. You can make up to 4 withdrawals a month without charge. Each additional withdrawal transaction shall be charged a 60 Euro fee. We may change the above minimum amounts from time to time at our discretion. In case a customer has a pending withdrawal, deposit limits and/or withdrawal limits cannot be altered.

The maximum win from deposit bonuses is x0.5 (if maximum deposit) + your deposit 1000 = 1500! No matter how much you deposit, 100 or 1000, maximum win - 500 + your deposit!

This casino network makes copy/paste clones. It only changes the design a little, the principle of operation is the same. Be careful before making a deposit and taking a bonus.

[markk1]

Here's the news. Betfury has made super conditions for deposit bonuses. The maximum possible claim after wagering the bonus is 1.5, if you had a bonus of $100, then you can take a maximum of $150.
Also, in conditions of a lot of restrictions on slots, almost all top slots are closed for playing with a bonus. Be sure to read the terms and conditions before accepting a deposit bonus.

[markk1]

How are you doing, do you take deposit bonuses or play only with your deposits?

[Assface16678]

I agree with you because casinos are businesses and they are profits oriented and at that it is very important to adhere to the strict operational conditions that helped both the gamblers and the casino but most importantly the casino is favoured when it comes to giving out free money in form of bonuses and since the casino doesn't want to give out free money the accompanied their bonuses with high wager requirements.

So also we have to be smart enough to know how to apply ourselves to all the conditions that the casino may put up when we are chasing bonuses.

Casino bonuses are a common marketing strategy used by online casinos to attract new players and retain existing ones. These bonuses come in various forms, such as welcome bonuses, no-deposit bonuses, free spins, and loyalty rewards. While they may seem like free money at first glance, it is essential to understand that casinos are businesses aiming to make a profit as you have noted and so, the terms and conditions attached to these bonuses often include wagering requirements to protect the casino’s interests.

Wagering requirements dictate how many times a player must wager the bonus amount before being able to withdraw any winnings associated with it. For example, if a casino offers a $100 bonus with a 20x wagering requirement, the player would need to wager $2000 ($100 x 20) before cashing out any winnings.

That's why it is very important for a gambler to read the rules and regulations first before believing or engaging in a new casino because bonuses are like a trap set for those who are finding to have much funds in order to play, but little do they know there are hidden or not hidden rules that are hard to see if you do not take precaution or observe first. That's why it's like a trap set for those who need to have a lot of funds in order to play, but little do they know there are hidden or not hidden rules that are hard to see if you do not take precaution or observe first. That's why it's like a trap set for those who need to have a lot of funds in order to play, but little do they know there are hidden or not hidden rules that are hard to see if you do not take precaution or observe first. That's why it is said that many new users or gamblers on a website are being trapped, or their funds are being trapped in a website casino, and they can't cash out their winnings because they still need to reach a specific amount of wager. That's why it is very important for anyone to read first before they check the terms and regulations, because that's when you can see their hard-to-see rules in order to avoid inconvenience and to avoid trapping your funds in a website casino.

[markk1]

Nowadays casinos use many tools in their favor so that players are fooled by their conditions and are at a disadvantage.
With bonuses there is a very low RTP. If you have never wondered how casinos fool people with bonuses and wagers, read my first post in this topic.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I agree with you because casinos are businesses and they are profits oriented and at that it is very important to adhere to the strict operational conditions that helped both the gamblers and the casino but most importantly the casino is favoured when it comes to giving out free money in form of bonuses and since the casino doesn't want to give out free money the accompanied their bonuses with high wager requirements.

So also we have to be smart enough to know how to apply ourselves to all the conditions that the casino may put up when we are chasing bonuses.

Casino bonuses are a common marketing strategy used by online casinos to attract new players and retain existing ones. These bonuses come in various forms, such as welcome bonuses, no-deposit bonuses, free spins, and loyalty rewards. While they may seem like free money at first glance, it is essential to understand that casinos are businesses aiming to make a profit as you have noted and so, the terms and conditions attached to these bonuses often include wagering requirements to protect the casino’s interests.

Wagering requirements dictate how many times a player must wager the bonus amount before being able to withdraw any winnings associated with it. For example, if a casino offers a $100 bonus with a 20x wagering requirement, the player would need to wager $2000 ($100 x 20) before cashing out any winnings.

That's why it is very important for a gambler to read the rules and regulations first before believing or engaging in a new casino because bonuses are like a trap set for those who are finding to have much funds in order to play, but little do they know there are hidden or not hidden rules that are hard to see if you do not take precaution or observe first. That's why it's like a trap set for those who need to have a lot of funds in order to play, but little do they know there are hidden or not hidden rules that are hard to see if you do not take precaution or observe first. That's why it's like a trap set for those who need to have a lot of funds in order to play, but little do they know there are hidden or not hidden rules that are hard to see if you do not take precaution or observe first. That's why it is said that many new users or gamblers on a website are being trapped, or their funds are being trapped in a website casino, and they can't cash out their winnings because they still need to reach a specific amount of wager. That's why it is very important for anyone to read first before they check the terms and regulations, because that's when you can see their hard-to-see rules in order to avoid inconvenience and to avoid trapping your funds in a website casino.

What you say is very true, there are many times that things can seem very good in casino bonuses, but the conditions of the casinos can be very intrinsically in the TOs at the beginning of the registration and not in the bonus as such that they say. Maybe that's why it's so important to say that the RTP is low compared to the bonuses and what's promised.

I learned a long time ago not to take bonuses from casinos, the truth is not by doing the RTP analysis like OP did, but in most cases there are many conditions for one to be able to withdraw that bonus later, and That is something that mortifies me, it is full of a series of great wagering to bet and the truth is I am not a person who has a lot of patience for that, I am more into playing, losing and winning, if I lose I accept it and if I win then I withdraw my money and I am not subject to any type of special conditions to withdraw, at most I must comply with the KYC and that is something very tedious.

[Quidat]

Nowadays casinos use many tools in their favor so that players are fooled by their conditions and are at a disadvantage.
With bonuses there is a very low RTP. If you have never wondered how casinos fool people with bonuses and wagers, read my first post in this topic.

Theyre business so its normal that it would really be making things which it would really be something that would be in their advantage and disadvantage into its users or gamblers on which it would really be just that depending on you whether you would really be fond on dealing up with those bonuses then its up to you but its really that common sense that those are just lure ups.
This is one of the main reason on why im not really that interested with these bonuses on whatever form it would be. No matter how good those %.. You would really be still needing to comply their requirements.Roll overs are really that out of this world or simply cant really be just that possible for you to deal with unless if you are extremely lucky.

[Crypt0Gore]

I choose to avoid any casino deposit bonuses because they always look straight out of the box but when you open them up you will see how deep they truly are.

Deposit bonuses comes will lots of garbage, they always have conditions applied, and if those conditions are not fully meet, your deposit bonuses aren't really going to be yours.

Since the day I learned about this I have stopped to go after any deposit bonuses even away from gambling, because other only platforms also have this bonuses like crypto exchanges and click-to-earn platforms.

In the end, you will find out that you have been used by this so-called deposit bonuses, a total waste of time, it won't sit we'll with someone who is just starting, but they will find out in the end.

[junder]

I choose to avoid any casino deposit bonuses because they always look straight out of the box but when you open them up you will see how deep they truly are.

Deposit bonuses comes will lots of garbage, they always have conditions applied, and if those conditions are not fully meet, your deposit bonuses aren't really going to be yours.

Since the day I learned about this I have stopped to go after any deposit bonuses even away from gambling, because other only platforms also have this bonuses like crypto exchanges and click-to-earn platforms.

In the end, you will find out that you have been used by this so-called deposit bonuses, a total waste of time, it won't sit we'll with someone who is just starting, but they will find out in the end.

I'm with you, I've always avoided bonuses provided by casinos, even though we can choose them but I think there are certain requirements that sometimes make me feel too complicated. When I make a deposit and there is a select bonus column I always ignore it for some reason but clearly throughout the gambling I did I never chose that feature. Because I saw my friend gamble by choosing the available bonuses, it actually became an additional thought for himself, such as the minimum withdrawal that was doubled. And with his game when the balance he has is sufficient for the minimum withdrawal that has been set but it changes so that it cannot be withdrawn because he previously chose the bonus feature. And with that makes me reluctant to choose the bonus feature.

That's one of the host's strategies set to make us happy by gambling and my thinking is that by choosing a bonus, it can make us forget the risk of losing so that we will only think about the fun side like winning and triggering our thoughts when the gambling that is done ends in defeat will make us deposit again, and right what you said maybe clearly we are only being used. Play the game don't let ourselves be played, that's what I got from other people.

[markk1]

BC.game gives everyone $5 for registration. You can only play certain slots. The conditions are terrible. The wager is x60, but the conditions indicate that only 50% of the slots go to the wager.
he maximum withdrawal from this no deposit is 5 dollars! Is this really the best crypto casino? The casino is terrible, don't play there.

[Sandra_hakeem]

If the casino wants to make things really easy for bonus players, they will quickly run out of business. Everyone will use their bonus to win big and kick them out of business.

even in free town, nothing is free!!
The casino would rather call on their management team to reorganize the system in a way that suites every expenses they make, rather than taking decisions that would kick them out, just to impress their client.. That's also the reasons why every casino must have a "minimum and a maximum withdrawal option" too.
Additionally, for every bonus a casino would give, there are alot of limitations to whether or not you can get it. It depends on your eligibility status; which is how much/often you wager.