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Question: Who do you think will win
Usyk by KO - 8 (57.1%)
Usyk by Decision - 4 (28.6%)
Dubois by KO - 2 (14.3%)
Dubois by Decision - 0 (0%)
Draw - 0 (0%)
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Author Topic: Oleksandr Usyk VS Daniel Dubois For The Undisputed heavyweight champion  (Read 375 times)
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August 23, 2023, 03:10:05 PM
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Judging by the betting odds, this appears to be a total mismatch. I won't be expecting much from Dubois, as I see it as another easy fight for Usyk. Just think about it: if those odds are accurate, betting $100 on Dubois could win you $700. It's insane and likely attractive to those who believe Dubois will pull off an upset.

Very attractive indeed I'm sure many will take the risk to bet on Dubois, Dubois only chance to beat Usyk is to impose his power in the early rounds, Usyk is just too good in the latter rounds he is a very technical fighter, but even the best technical boxers will thrown out in his game if he gets hurt by Dubois power

Check out Dubois' power here, if he caught Usyk, Dubois would pour in on him

The Heavyweight Monster | Daniel Dubois | All Knockouts

I agree, he needs to start strong and hurt Usyk if he wants to win the fight. Undoubtedly, he has the power, as 18 of his 19 wins came from KO. If we convert that to a ratio, it's a 95% KO rate. However, bookies will not offer very attractive odds if they believe Usyk will lose. This creates a puzzle for us bettors because bookies are smarter than us; they set odds based on the likelihood of winning.

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August 24, 2023, 10:53:17 AM
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If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

If only Fury wont retire after a big juicy check after Ngannou fight Cheesy Fury mentioned here and there that he is about to put gloves on the wall.


It could be a trick, there's a lot of unfinished business, he still hasn't united all the belts, and his countryman is asking for an all-British showdown if Ngannou beats him or the match is a draw I'm sure he will opt for a rematch, id he finish all of these with success then he will go down in history as the greatest heavyweight champion and the great British heavyweight champion and even if he retires after the Ngannou fight, a lot of people will call him out to get out of retirement.

Fury as an undefeated heavyweight champion will always get a challenge, he will not enjoy his retirement because there are so many tasks that need to be done, he is not getting any younger if he finishes all these tasks, then he can retire without thinking that he has not done what he needs to do when he was still active.


Indeed Fury has unfinished businesses, but wont Usyk earlier this year offered him a fight? Right after Fury TKOed Chisora, Usyk stepped in the ring. I remember there were announced two possible reasons - they did not find agreement in payment, and Usyk wanted a rematch clause in contract, while Fury didnt.

I am not sure Fury is 100% focused in boxing right now. All that drinking issues, a fight against Ngannou, now on Netflix tv show about Fury is aired. It looks he is only about money, but not gaining all the belts.

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August 24, 2023, 11:05:26 AM
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If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

If only Fury wont retire after a big juicy check after Ngannou fight Cheesy Fury mentioned here and there that he is about to put gloves on the wall.


It could be a trick, there's a lot of unfinished business, he still hasn't united all the belts, and his countryman is asking for an all-British showdown if Ngannou beats him or the match is a draw I'm sure he will opt for a rematch, id he finish all of these with success then he will go down in history as the greatest heavyweight champion and the great British heavyweight champion and even if he retires after the Ngannou fight, a lot of people will call him out to get out of retirement.

Fury as an undefeated heavyweight champion will always get a challenge, he will not enjoy his retirement because there are so many tasks that need to be done, he is not getting any younger if he finishes all these tasks, then he can retire without thinking that he has not done what he needs to do when he was still active.


Indeed Fury has unfinished businesses, but wont Usyk earlier this year offered him a fight? Right after Fury TKOed Chisora, Usyk stepped in the ring. I remember there were announced two possible reasons - they did not find agreement in payment, and Usyk wanted a rematch clause in contract, while Fury didnt.

I am not sure Fury is 100% focused in boxing right now. All that drinking issues, a fight against Ngannou, now on Netflix tv show about Fury is aired. It looks he is only about money, but not gaining all the belts.

If I'm not mistaken, Usyk camp says that Fury and his team are offering a not so good paycheck for them and that's why the fight didn't progress at all. Yes, he step up in the ring and Fury was shouting but Usyk just stand their stoic and with no emotions as well, and yet he looks very scary when he confronted Tyson Fury.

So let's see here, both seems to have a tune up fight, here Usyk against Dubois and then we will have Fury against Francis N. next.

And if both of them wins then we will see as Eddie Hearn says, might be in Saudi Arabia for their fight.

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August 24, 2023, 12:29:36 PM
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I agree, he needs to start strong and hurt Usyk if he wants to win the fight. Undoubtedly, he has the power, as 18 of his 19 wins came from KO. If we convert that to a ratio, it's a 95% KO rate. However, bookies will not offer very attractive odds if they believe Usyk will lose. This creates a puzzle for us bettors because bookies are smarter than us; they set odds based on the likelihood of winning.

It's more on logic if Usyk beats Joshua who is also a hard puncher with a good also a good knockout percentage then they figure that Usyk can withstand Dubois' power, and of course, it helps that the fight will be held in Poland where there are many Ukrainian migrated, so it Usyk is fighting in his hometown and Dubois has no prior experience where he fought on enemy territories.

Dubois is facing a big challenge, I hope Dubois's leg is okay now he suffered three knockdowns because of his leg cramps in round one but managed to comeback to knock out Lerena

Here's a video of that fight :

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August 24, 2023, 01:37:09 PM
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I'm still confused about the odds. I know that Usyk is a great boxer, but seeing that Dubois is still very young and strong, has solid punching power, I don't understand why his odds is at 6.60. This odds is loudly and clearly saying he almost doesn't have a chance against Usyk.

I'm a little bit attracted to risk a little amount to Dubois if only because of the very high odds. But he's been inactive for almost a year. This could be a big factor knowing that he'll be facing no less than Usyk right away for his comeback fight.
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While many think that this fight has no sense and Usyk victory is not a matter of question, for Dubois, even if he looses, that is a huge step in heavyweight boxing division. He hasnt faced opponent of such level before. For him it is a huge risk and a huge challenge. Even in case of a lose, he gains experience and sing his name in a boxing history. For many boxing fans, he was a no-name. Even if he looses, people will start to recognize him.

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August 25, 2023, 07:53:21 PM
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Ok, I see some feed on my Twitter account, so everything is set between the two, both makes the HW but obviously Dubois is the heavier of the two.
Hoping for a Usyk win here, so that he can settle and fight Tyson Fury next for the undisputed belt. But let's see if the younger Daniel Dubois can upset Usyk and derail all that plan for a Saudi fight for Usyk vs Fury.
Much younger and has the power too, I haven't settled my bet yet between, but let's see.

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It's more on logic if Usyk beats Joshua who is also a hard puncher with a good also a good knockout percentage then they figure that Usyk can withstand Dubois' power, and of course, it helps that the fight will be held in Poland where there are many Ukrainian migrated, so it Usyk is fighting in his hometown and Dubois has no prior experience where he fought on enemy territories.

Dubois is facing a big challenge, I hope Dubois's leg is okay now he suffered three knockdowns because of his leg cramps in round one but managed to comeback to knock out Lerena

Here's a video of that fight :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ7MCCgf8NA


Usyk was the hard puncher as compared to the Joshua.The punching speed of Usyk was more compared to the Joshua in a recent days,this game mostly favor the Usyk will be the opinion of most of the boxing community fans here.Since Usyk was hard puncher,the possibility was more to the win by the KO.Dubois had lost his three match with the KO made him very week now and mostly with less leg power.The leg also plays huge role in the boxing,the leg work itself defined the winner of that match.This is not the equal match to the Dubois now.

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August 26, 2023, 01:37:43 PM
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Here are the official weigh-in and final face-off of Usyk and Dubois both fighters did not give more information about their strategy for the fight both are confident that they are going to win the match, Dubois should be motivated more he is in a lion's den come fight now, the crowd will be cheering for Usyk, we are all expecting a great and action-packed fight.

Usyk is the heavy favorite to win the fight, Dubois's only chance is the early rounds As the fight progresses Usyk's skill and experience will play a big factor. he has a long experience in championship fights.

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August 26, 2023, 07:06:23 PM
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Here are the official weigh-in and final face-off of Usyk and Dubois both fighters did not give more information about their strategy for the fight both are confident that they are going to win the match, Dubois should be motivated more he is in a lion's den come fight now, the crowd will be cheering for Usyk, we are all expecting a great and action-packed fight.

Usyk is the heavy favorite to win the fight, Dubois's only chance is the early rounds As the fight progresses Usyk's skill and experience will play a big factor. he has a long experience in championship fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ku0kNOV34E

Or he got lucky and knockout Usyk in the early to middle rounds. But if this goes to distance, the experience of Usyk will come into play and maybe we will see Dubois getting tired from running around.

Although the fight might be in neutral grounds for Usyk, but I do agree that he has the crowd behind him. He mostly fought in Poland so he has a fan based on that country. And besides there are a lot of Ukrainians in that country if I'm not mistaken after the war has broke out, for asylum and obviously they don't want to get out and be safe.

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August 26, 2023, 07:49:20 PM
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While many think that this fight has no sense and Usyk victory is not a matter of question, for Dubois, even if he looses, that is a huge step in heavyweight boxing division. He hasnt faced opponent of such level before. For him it is a huge risk and a huge challenge. Even in case of a lose, he gains experience and sing his name in a boxing history. For many boxing fans, he was a no-name. Even if he looses, people will start to recognize him.

That's one of the perks Dubois can get from this fight even if he loses this one.
Usyk is a heavy favorite and if you happen to bet on Dubois for possible upset, you can get about 7.4x of your money.
That is, if Dubois will have a surprise move that can knock out Usyk. Otherwise, Usyk has upper-hand on this match.
But few hours and we will see the action on this one. We may even see what's happening on its early rounds.
This will be a good one to watch out though. There are so many belts on the line.
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August 26, 2023, 08:53:32 PM
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Getting close to the main event now, Usyk is going to dominate. I think Usyk to knock Dubois out in the first 5 rounds. I just don’t see Usyk losing this fight, he’s not a typical heavyweight but he’s just too good.

What we really want to see though is Fury vs Usyk. Hopefully Usyk does his part of what’s required and finishes the job here tonight so we are one step closer to Fury vs Usyk.

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August 26, 2023, 09:11:34 PM
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Everyone is waiting for the Fury vs Usyk match, so normally there hasn't been much interest in this match. Wasn't this match arranged or they just met face to face. They said they would arrange it after Tyson Fury, Dereck Chisora match The Fury-Usyk match, which will be a show scheduled for 2024, are both the best in heavyweight. They both have different abilities as heavyweights, it is very curious what kind of duel it will be. Both are much faster for their weight especially Usyk is not like a typical heavyweight but heavyweight in strength and speed.
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August 26, 2023, 10:15:47 PM
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Everyone is waiting for the Fury vs Usyk match, so normally there hasn't been much interest in this match. Wasn't this match arranged or they just met face to face. They said they would arrange it after Tyson Fury, Dereck Chisora match The Fury-Usyk match, which will be a show scheduled for 2024, are both the best in heavyweight. They both have different abilities as heavyweights, it is very curious what kind of duel it will be. Both are much faster for their weight especially Usyk is not like a typical heavyweight but heavyweight in strength and speed.

usyk has the advantage over dubois, so more then likely he will emerge victorious on this one. and fury would be next. so a lot are hoping that usyk will come out as a winner on this fight. he is heavily favourite on this match over dubois. if nothing else, dubois can get a good exposure on this fight.

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Usyk won the fight but I honestly can't give him much credit. That was one of the most blatantly corrupt performances by a referee I have ever seen. Any good body shot that Dubois landed was called low and this scumbag ref would break the fight so Usyk could recover. The shot that dropped Usyk was a legal blow on the belt line and should have ended the fight, instead Usyk gets 5 minutes to recover. This disgusting referee should be banned for life but will instead likely be given more high profile opportunities as it's obvious that protecting the media darling from Ukraine at all costs was his intended job and he did it perfectly.

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August 26, 2023, 10:37:35 PM
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Everyone is waiting for the Fury vs Usyk match,
This will be one of the greatest fights ever, two top fighters in the ring will make the decision of who will win the fight tougher to decide. I am with Fury in this fight knowing that he is a great fighter who can rise up to any occasion. This is fight that has been talked about for very long time and is expected to be very entertaining to every lover of boxing. If I will bet in this game, I will bet on Fury to win, because of the level of believe I have for him. Usyk is a great fighter, but like I said, I am with Usyk in this fight.

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August 26, 2023, 10:58:06 PM
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Usyk won the fight but I honestly can't give him much credit. That was one of the most blatantly corrupt performances by a referee I have ever seen. Any good body shot that Dubois landed was called low and this scumbag ref would break the fight so Usyk could recover. The shot that dropped Usyk was a legal blow on the belt line and should have ended the fight, instead Usyk gets 5 minutes to recover. This disgusting referee should be banned for life but will instead likely be given more high profile opportunities as it's obvious that protecting the media darling from Ukraine at all costs was his intended job and he did it perfectly.

I don't think it was corrupt but it didn't look like a low blow to me. Looks like boxing might need VAR now. They should probably just rematch it. There will be enough time to fit it in before the end of the year as Fury is fighting Ngannou so makes sense to do that whilst they wait for Fury to be free which wont be until next year most likely.

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August 26, 2023, 11:20:29 PM
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Usyk won the fight but I honestly can't give him much credit. That was one of the most blatantly corrupt performances by a referee I have ever seen. Any good body shot that Dubois landed was called low and this scumbag ref would break the fight so Usyk could recover. The shot that dropped Usyk was a legal blow on the belt line and should have ended the fight, instead Usyk gets 5 minutes to recover. This disgusting referee should be banned for life but will instead likely be given more high profile opportunities as it's obvious that protecting the media darling from Ukraine at all costs was his intended job and he did it perfectly.

I replayed it several times and it was indeed in the beltline so it's a legal blow but we cannot see it because of the camera angle, should have been a TKO it's a controversial fight for me, if this fight happened in other ground it should have been ended right there, its indeed bias referee we have there, but Dubois shows heart it's just the accumulation of those sharp jabs that broke Dubois determination.
I like to see Usyk winning but not this way, maybe if Dubois's team complaint there could be a rematch but we are all waiting for the belt unification between Usyk and Fury and hopefully that will happen after Fury's fight if he wins against Ngannou.


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August 26, 2023, 11:41:21 PM
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I don't think it was corrupt but it didn't look like a low blow to me. Looks like boxing might need VAR now. They should probably just rematch it. There will be enough time to fit it in before the end of the year as Fury is fighting Ngannou so makes sense to do that whilst they wait for Fury to be free which wont be until next year most likely.

There is really no excuses that can be made for this behavior from the referee. It wasn't just this knockdown that he got wrong. The entire fight he was very clearly on Usyk's side. For what reason do you need to break the action after almost every hard body shot Usyk takes and give him time to recover? The referee's actions were deliberate, it wasn't just a bad night or human error. A rematch can't really undo the damage done. Dubois took some unnecessary punishment and his already diminished confidence will decrease further.

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I voted for Daniel Dubois after the fight by knockout as a protest against this crime in this very corrupt sport of boxing hehehe. In my own mind, Usyk is presently not the champion anymore. Similar to what I have been telling everyone before, much of these boxing events have become something similar to scamcoin ICOs where the issuer hypes and then dumps his tokens on his own community. This is a scam. Boxing promoters are taking your money by promoting these low quality fights and they have already paid the judges and the referee to make sure they know the winner.

It was manipulated.

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