[INFO]Hong Kong's HSBC Allows Customers to Trade Bitcoin.

[Woodrose]

A string of cryptocurrency news outlets reported that HSBC Hong Kong is giving its customers access to bitcoin (BTC) and ether (ETH) exchange-traded funds on Monday.
The news was first reported by crypto journalist Colin Wu and reproduced by a number of different sites, including The Block.
However, this appears to be something of an overreaction. HSBC's customers in Hong Kong have in fact been able to trade such crypto investment products since they were listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange (HKEX) in December, as the bank allows trading of all publicly-listed ETFs.
Crypto ETFs debuted on the HKEX with the listing of the CSOP Bitcoin Futures ETF (3066) and CSOP Ether Futures ETF (3068). These were joined by the Samsung Bitcoin Futures Active ETF (3135) in January.
Today's development would appear to be that HSBC customers can now also access these ETFs from the bank's investment platform.
The overreaction to this modest development demonstrates the excitement in the crypto community for any and all adoption of cryptocurrency investments by mainstream institutions such as HSBC in major financial centers like Hong Kong.

Now we can say that the adoption of cryptocurrency is becoming wide. I hope someday in this country where I am working will adopt cryptocurrency, specially in banking. I hope someday we are all accessible in trading/transfering of funds through crypto. Someday, banks will completely embrace the positivity of crypto.

Source: https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/06/26/hong-kongs-hsbc-allows-customers-to-trade-bitcoin-ether-etfs-but-thats-not-really-news/?fbclid=IwAR2qJhwZQe6NnL0XzigWTn9_2zN2w8IsAVQdAKUT0X5r1ALQnFlH24TcIQo

[bbc.reporter]

It is head shaking that uncle Gary, the SEC and the American government are cracking down on the cryptospace while a communist country like China are slowly allowing it through Hong Kong as the go between.

Another head shaking thought is only 2 years ago, China and Hong Kong were banning people under their jurisdictions from using crypto hehe. They were also closing people's bank accounts because they had transactions related to cryptocoin exchanges and services.

Are we in a simulation?

[Liliana1304]

I hope someday in this country where I am working will adopt cryptocurrency, specially in banking. I hope someday we are all accessible in trading/transfering of funds through crypto. Someday, banks will completely embrace the positivity of crypto.

Well it's a hope I'm willing to join you in on. This goes a long way for citizens in HK who are Bitcoin users as it has given a wide space for them to freely conduct their business with crypto considering how a lot has changed from 2021 where strict measures were placed against it, causing discomfort and hampering business growth for crypto elites.

I even read somewhere that the Hong Kong Monetary authority where pressuring major banks to accept crypto exchanges as clients. They have even gone as far as introducing their own crypto legislation. It looks like they aren't joking when they stated their desire to become a crypto hub in Asia.

[avp2306]

I hope someday in this country where I am working will adopt cryptocurrency, specially in banking. I hope someday we are all accessible in trading/transfering of funds through crypto. Someday, banks will completely embrace the positivity of crypto.

Well it's a hope I'm willing to join you in on. This goes a long way for citizens in HK who are Bitcoin users as it has given a wide space for them to freely conduct their business with crypto considering how a lot has changed from 2021 where strict measures were placed against it, causing discomfort and hampering business growth for crypto elites.

I even read somewhere that the Hong Kong Monetary authority where pressuring major banks to accept crypto exchanges as clients. They have even gone as far as introducing their own crypto legislation. It looks like they aren't joking when they stated their desire to become a crypto hub in Asia.

This mean that they are open for changes and they let their citizens to decide what they want to use. And for allowing crypto usage and exchange running a business on their country this is a big slap for other who rejected it or been skeptical about allowing it to be use by their people.

I guess we can say good impact on crypto adoption on what Hongkong did since if they became successful to be a crypto hub on asia provably we can see other asian country to do the same.

[_act_]

This is a great news, the adoption continues. With time, other countries will see what they are missing and begin to have interest in bitcoin holding. But according to the news, not that they hold bitcoin directly, it is the exchange traded fund (ETF) of it, which is good too because it is a way bitcoin adoption continues.

It is head shaking that uncle Gary, the SEC and the American government are cracking down on the cryptospace while a communist country like China are slowly allowing it through Hong Kong as the go between.

Another head shaking thought is only 2 years ago, China and Hong Kong were banning people under their jurisdictions from using crypto hehe. They were also closing people's bank accounts because they had transactions related to cryptocoin exchanges and services.

Also that in China, you can hold bitcoin as a property, it is legal. But I do not know what the stress of the Chinese government that they continue to ban bitcoin several times and later the ban is no more effective. You can see that after bitcoin mining was banned in China, Chinese miners again increased in hashrates and they are the second to US now.

[UchihaSarada]

Crypto ETFs debuted on the HKEX with the listing of the CSOP Bitcoin Futures ETF (3066) and CSOP Ether Futures ETF (3068). These were joined by the Samsung Bitcoin Futures Active ETF (3135) in January.

It is trading with ETFs, Futures ETFs.

You won't have bitcoin if you use your money to invest into ETFs. It is for people who don't want to reduce risk by directly buying bitcoins and hold bitcoins. ETFs will expose more people with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market but if they are wise, they will directly buy bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

Not your keys, not your coins. You don't have any key, any coin, any token with ETFs.

[ImThour]

Once the big nations start accepting Bitcoin with the help of the biggest organizations like Apple and Google, this won't take much long to bring millions on the Cryptoverse.
I am happy that Crypto has always been slow and steady, not a big jump up like a Pump and Dump. Kudos to Satoshi for thinking of Halving which would take ages and keep the excitement every 4 years.

[UchihaSarada]

Once the big nations start accepting Bitcoin with the help of the biggest organizations like Apple and Google, this won't take much long to bring millions on the Cryptoverse.

We are witnessing big changes in the USA. with more eyes on Gary Gensler and SEC. With this tightening trend, the USA. will not let cryptocurrency and blockchain companies move to other countries.

I am happy that Crypto has always been slow and steady, not a big jump up like a Pump and Dump.

Bitcoin does not like shitcoins and its growth is organic, not manipulating artificial like shitcoin pump and dump.

Kudos to Satoshi for thinking of Halving which would take ages and keep the excitement every 4 years.

Who knows why did Satoshi Nakamoto code that halving will happen in years with the USA. President Election?

Is it a coincidence or a genius well-planed idea from Satoshi Nakamoto? We have years with big chaos in economics and politics in the USA. and the world and in same years, we have Bitcoin halvings.

[Lucius]

It is head shaking that uncle Gary, the SEC and the American government are cracking down on the cryptospace while a communist country like China are slowly allowing it through Hong Kong as the go between.
~snip~

I don't see any point in your post given that futures BTC ETF has been around in the US for some time, and HK is a special administrative region of China, and therefore what happens in HK cannot be an indicator that China has changed its attitude towards Bitcoin in any way.

In addition, the bank in question was not so long ago at the center of financial scandals and is considered one of the most corrupt banks in the world, but everyone seems to have forgotten that.

I wouldn't look forward to anything that has anything to do with China when it comes to Bitcoin, and I don't get anyone who thinks that communism and anything to do with decentralization and human freedom can succeed in one such country.

[avikz]

So HSBC is giving their customers access to already listed ETFs through their own platform. Nothing to cheer about it really. These are existing products and people already have access to it. When a bank integrates such existing products for their customers, it's usually to earn brokerage.

Unless these ETFs are physical in nature, that's no use for the crypto market either. These kind of things are good to create awareness but not really impactful for the market.

[Faisal2202]

You won't have bitcoin if you use your money to invest into ETFs. It is for people who don't want to reduce risk by directly buying bitcoins and hold bitcoins. ETFs will expose more people with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market but if they are wise, they will directly buy bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

Totally agreed, as i read a topic yesterday having the same issue concerns about connections of Banking Sector in the Crypto world and how it could affect the industry. Well, the point was the same which is if you do not own the key then the coins are not yours.

But TBH, i do not really have a great idea behind the working of ETFs, so before writing anything more, i will look into it too but i do get the idea from your post that ETFs mean getting registered with the government and then buying the government's verified BTC, which will be own by Government.

We are witnessing big changes in the USA. with more eyes on Gary Gensler and SEC. With this tightening trend, the USA. will not let cryptocurrency and blockchain companies move to other countries.

This conversation has been done so many times but still, the thing is crypto is not centralized, so how can only US government and US citizen could get there hands on the crypto industry and can control it. As, crypto is decentralized and shared by all countries on the globe.

[ZAINmalik75]

A string of cryptocurrency news outlets reported that HSBC Hong Kong is giving its customers
Now we can say that the adoption of cryptocurrency is becoming wide. I hope someday in this country where I am working will adopt cryptocurrency, specially in banking. I hope someday we are all accessible in trading/transfering of funds through crypto. Someday, banks will completely embrace the positivity of crypto.

The adoption of crypto in the Banking sector doesn't affect the main purpose of decentralization proposed by the very first crypto BTC? Yet, in the quoted text, they have written, this slight adoption must not have that much impact on the market in popularity way. But still, this news is being shared as something big has happened.

Even, though you showed your excitement too, which of course is not bad but Hong Kong has already a second hub of China to test its limits on the adoption of crypto and in what way it could impact its economy with it. This news has proved that something is being manipulated in the market. That we will see in the near future. But for now, why not fill our pockets with profits? This is no doubt good news but for newbies to manipulate their mindset to lure them into thinking that crypto is all good now and it is ok for them to invest now in it.

[Who is John Galt?]

Someday, banks will completely embrace the positivity of crypto.

Only when I have bitcoins, why do I need banks if I can pay directly with bitcoins without any intermediaries? Banks and investment funds are gradually showing more and more interest in bitcoin, but I do not think that this contributes to its adoption. It looks more like the banks want to control it and prevent people from using finance without banks. I don't really like that large centralized corporations want to concentrate a significant part of bitcoins under their control.

[bbc.reporter]

It is head shaking that uncle Gary, the SEC and the American government are cracking down on the cryptospace while a communist country like China are slowly allowing it through Hong Kong as the go between.
~snip~

I don't see any point in your post given that futures BTC ETF has been around in the US for some time, and HK is a special administrative region of China, and therefore what happens in HK cannot be an indicator that China has changed its attitude towards Bitcoin in any way.

In addition, the bank in question was not so long ago at the center of financial scandals and is considered one of the most corrupt banks in the world, but everyone seems to have forgotten that.

I wouldn't look forward to anything that has anything to do with China when it comes to Bitcoin, and I don't get anyone who thinks that communism and anything to do with decentralization and human freedom can succeed in one such country.

I am not arguing, I am only saying that China is slowly opening their borders for the cryptospace through Hong Kong as the go between and I think this is a positive development compared to the crackdowns being done by uncle Gary. There is more news besides the Hong Kong ETF article that already shows this.

Also, about ETFs in America, futures ETFs that were already approved are different from spot ETFs. Spot ETFs invests in real Bitcoin.

In any case, I predict that China will also open Shanghai for the cryptospace by 2026. It might not be something open to any coin. Only whitelisted coins might be allowed to trade which will certainly include Bitcoin and Ethereum.

[UchihaSarada]

Totally agreed, as i read a topic yesterday having the same issue concerns about connections of Banking Sector in the Crypto world and how it could affect the industry. Well, the point was the same which is if you do not own the key then the coins are not yours.

If you invest in Bitcoin ETFs, you will do like invest in tokenized Bitcoin tokens, not actual Bitcoin.

Tokenized Bitcoin projects can have de-pegs and lose their token values and Bitcoin ETFs can have problems with their finance and file for bankruptcies. You as an investor, will lose money.

Risk for tokenized BTC tokens and Bitcoin ETFs are big enough to not use them if you can get access to buy bitcoin. You always have choices to buy bitcoins if you don't be convinced by convenience from Bitcoin ETFs or tokenized BTC tokens.

https://kycnot.me/

[Dunamisx]

Expect more to be coming im this regard because more countries and organizations will keep on showing interest o bitcoin despite the strict regulations in some locations, that doesn't stops others from going further in expression of interest since everyone is independent by himself and can decide to either adopt bitcoin or not just as El-Savador did when it make it own adoption, they never look backwards or considers what others are saying.

[bettercrypto]

Honestly, the Hongkong government is really funny. This country is just showing that they want to be a well-known country that welcomes Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, think for yourself that their government is making a way for their subjects to adopt the spread of Bitcoin or crypto in their country.

It can be said that the Hongkong community is very lucky that they have a government that is open to this kind of Bitcoin industry or crypto space.

[Latviand]

It is head shaking that uncle Gary, the SEC and the American government are cracking down on the cryptospace while a communist country like China are slowly allowing it through Hong Kong as the go between.

Another head shaking thought is only 2 years ago, China and Hong Kong were banning people under their jurisdictions from using crypto hehe. They were also closing people's bank accounts because they had transactions related to cryptocoin exchanges and services.

Are we in a simulation?

It's just Hongkong not China, and even if China is involved, I can sense that it's going to be the same thing that they've done in the past, it's push and pull when it comes to China but with Hongkong and their quasi and limited time autonomy, it's a different thing because Hongkong is populated by billionaires right, the money in Hongkong is just too big that they can't allow bitcoin trading there and China always do this thing, didn't they ban gambling in mainland but made it the main reason to visit Macau?

[bakasabo]

So does HSBC allow customers to trade real bitcoin (meaning I can deposit my own bitcoin to HSBC account) or bitcoin trades will be in-bank only (like Paypal had) ? My local bank also allow me to trade stocks, but they are like numbers and letters only. They only have names of popular stocks, but I cant withdraw them and trade them elsewhere. Wont it be with HSBC that it is just another instrument the bank earns with (earns on commissions), but not a step to adoption.

[Lucius]

I am not arguing, I am only saying that China is slowly opening their borders for the cryptospace through Hong Kong as the go between and I think this is a positive development compared to the crackdowns being done by uncle Gary. There is more news besides the Hong Kong ETF article that already shows this.

You're grasping at straws that really don't make sense to grasp on since your main thesis is that China is becoming more crypto friendly than the US. And the fact is that what is happening in HK has nothing to do with Bitcoin or the Chinese position towards it.

Also, about ETFs in America, futures ETFs that were already approved are different from spot ETFs. Spot ETFs invests in real Bitcoin.

I don't know why you think you need to teach me about the difference between spot and futures ETF, and I tell you in my previous post that futures BTC ETF has been around for years in the US, and your Uncle Gary has nothing against it. You and many think that the SEC is fighting Bitcoin, when in fact all this fight is directed against shitcoins, and then what are you even talking about when comparing China and the US in the context of cryptocurrencies?