Self-moderated topics - nice feature or should it get banned?

[virasog]

So, what's your opinion? Self-moderation to get banned or to stay?  
Do you have more points, why self-moderation is a beneficial feature for Bitcointalk?
Looking forward to your replies and your votes.  

You have already highlighted the benefits of the self-moderated thread in a good precise way however every good thing can be misused and some scammers and spammers use self-moderated threads for this purpose.

1- A Scammer can open up a self mod thread about his service and would be able to delete all the negative feedbacks which people may wrote about his service.

2- A person may be willing to enforce his own point of view in one of his self moderated threads and delete the replies which differ from his opinion and thoughts. This may lead to the one-sided view on any particular instance/topic.

Besides that i don't think there are any more disadvantages to Self Moderation threads.

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[noorman0]

I only support banning self-moderation on global or local boards dedicated to business dealings, bans will work for low rated users (at least member-rank). The obvious reason is that this feature benefits scammers, there is no need to remove low quality posts due to the fact that spammers are not really interested in that area.
I know that scams are not moderated, at least it helps us to keep our warnings visible (can't be deleted by OP).

[SamReomo]

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I have casted my vote in favor of self-moderation because I think it's a very useful feature that can be helpful for the original poster to delete spam from his/her post without even involving a moderator. The moderators are already busy in doing their duties, and it would be an extra burden for them if we report each spam posts in a thread. The only solution to stop such spamming massages from one's post is to self-moderate the post. I know that the feature can be misused by some negative users, but in this life there is always good use and bad use of things. Even money can be used for good things as well for bad things, however, we can't end money based trades because of those people who use it for wrong things.

In my opinion self-moderation should never be banned, and those people who want it to be banned should understand that they wont get any success in their negative intentions. The feature is unique and can be put into use in a very well manner by good posters, thread creators, and even managers of the forum. Any post that has self-moderation can make negative posters to run away from that post because they know very well that if they reply with useless responses on that post then they will be ignored by the OP, and their replies will be deleted without any question.

I have one more point and that's also a valid one. A self-moderated post gives the whole power of decision in the hands of the original poster, and he/she wont allow trolls, useless spam, abusive replies, or fight between two users in his/her thread. Due to this feature the original posters gets the privileges to stop non-sense replies in his posts. I as a member of the forum will always support this feature, and I even recommend others to support this amazing feature. I don't really know a lot about Unknown01, however, I have read some posts of 1miau, and I can surely say that he is among the good posters of the forum.

[1miau]

When you start your "prude police" thread it will be self moderated so you can lecture from on high so your question is kind of redundant.

We don't start any "prude police", we just point out that spamming disgusting stuff in other people's topic is not appreciated at all and that's pretty common sense to criticize such perv misbehaviour.
So, no surprise to see you acting like it's a problem for you when your perv activities are getting exposed.  

Avoiding to spam perv stuff in the forum should be a no-brainer anyways...  

I have one more point and that's also a valid one. A self-moderated post gives the whole power of decision in the hands of the original poster, and he/she wont allow trolls, useless spam, abusive replies, or fight between two users in his/her thread. Due to this feature the original posters gets the privileges to stop non-sense replies in his posts.

That's a good point as well.  

Any post that has self-moderation can make negative posters to run away from that post because they know very well that if they reply with useless responses on that post then they will be ignored by the OP, and their replies will be deleted without any question.

Yes and shitposters might miss some signature campaign rewards du to deleted posts.  

[Timelord2067]

You must be spamming people such as @LoyceV and others on a daily basis then with your prude police PM's?

spamming disgusting stuff in other people's topic

Your "proof" is a link to a twitter post (twitter is not the forum)

your sexcoin activities are getting exposed

The sexcoin thread is not a hidden thread and complies with the Forum's policy of being clearly labelled NSFW as set out by @theymos therefore theymos approves

Your arguments are weak and make you look like you are trying to impress others.

[Findingnemo]

1- A Scammer can open up a self mod thread about his service and would be able to delete all the negative feedbacks which people may wrote about his service.

2- A person may be willing to enforce his own point of view in one of his self moderated threads and delete the replies which differ from his opinion and thoughts. This may lead to the one-sided view on any particular instance/topic.

Besides that i don't think there are any more disadvantages to Self Moderation threads.

1, You are talking about the service section right but removing self-moderation feature from the service board is like double-edged sword. Imagine a service thread is actively undergo spam attack and the creator of the thread wants to keep the thread clean from spam which can reduces a lot of reporting work, moderation work. But I strongly suggest to remove the self moderation from Marketplace where the option is only used to delete the actual words from victims.

2, Yeah but that is the point of self moderation and if everyone is against the content and OP keep deleting the words opposes it will no longer make replies so it will be buried into the pages. If I am not wrong in self moderated thread the creator can include his own rule too so if we don't agree with the content then simply choose to ignore it from engaging.

[SamReomo]

Any post that has self-moderation can make negative posters to run away from that post because they know very well that if they reply with useless responses on that post then they will be ignored by the OP, and their replies will be deleted without any question.

Yes and shitposters might miss some signature campaign rewards du to deleted posts.  

That's very true, the shit-posters just want to post in any topic without any prior knowledge about the real thing, and if they get such treatment regularly then they will miss the signature campaign rewards at least from those posts. They mostly post to complete their weekly quota to gain signature rewards and that's the main reason for their posting, otherwise those people aren't here to help others. Someone who is truly devoted to the forum only posts to help others and share his/her honest opinion, and I believe that such members could provide valuable advice to the users who need the help most. While on the other hand the users who basically have no interest in a topic and post just for the purpose of the rewards won't be able to provide valuable advice to the users.

I'm quite sure that those users who are doing such thing would definitely want the function of self-moderation to be removed from the forum because such feature could cause many hurdles in their way. However, they don't really know that such feature is helpful to make the posts useful for the other users of the forum who basically want to learn about a topic in detail, and at the same time want to read the opinions of other members of the forum. I really don't care about those people who misuse this feature because such people will always find a way to do their negative activity, and removing a feature wont stop them from their habits. However, its removal could cause trouble for the members who don't allow spam or trolling activity on their posts.

I hope everyone who cares about the forum and is truly devoted to it, would love  the feature to remain on the forum, but those who want it to be removed will not be successful for sure. This forum has been helpful to everyone who used it with pure intentions, but the ones who tried to do any wrong activity has got the treatment they deserved. Those who help others with pure intentions will always get good responses and love in return because the forum is like a second family for us, and if we help our family then we will get the respect and good will in return.

[1miau]

You must be spamming people such as @LoyceV and others on a daily basis then with your prude police PM's?

No, I don't sent any spam PM's on a "daily basis to LoyceV and others"
I'm not even sending spam PM's to LoyceV and others on a weekly basis.  
I'm not sending spam PM's to anyone.

We already know that you are a disgusting perv but now we know as well that you are a disgusting liar.  

Your "proof" is a link to a twitter post (twitter is not the forum)

Twitter is a shit platform but that doesn't matter for your statement because it's now known, that you are a perv.  

The sexcoin thread is not a hidden thread and complies with the Forum's policy of being clearly labelled NSFW as set out by @theymos therefore theymos approves

*big doubt*
Not sure at all if theymos really approves such fraudulent and scammy shitcoins.
Because let's be honest: this shitcoin serves no purpose other than being used (or not being used because it's really somehow useless) for shady perv activity. Like there are coins for travelling, the music industry, the farming industry, the car industry, the lifestyle industry and other "special purpose" coins (which is just a stupid excuse to launch an own coin, where devs are in control of the coin.  ).
These are useless shit coins, it's not even listed on Coinmarketcap...  
It's so ridiculous.

In the end, the only ones making money from such shady shitcoins are the devs and everyone will be left with worthless bags of shit coins.
So, very bold statement, perv.  

Your arguments are weak and make you look like you are trying to impress others.

There's nothing weak in exposing your abuses: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157698.msg62352496#msg62352496
It's public for everyone, remember that.  
You are the one looking weak here, when you are advertising for shit coins, spreading unproven rumours about theymos, spreading lies and spamming my topic with deranged off-topic.

So, no need to spam my topic with deranged off-topic.

[Timelord2067]

So you admit your PM to me was just a Troll post?

Your responses so far are proof positive why we need moderated threads to prevent trolls like you from detailing threads.

I'll place you on ignore so you don't send me more of your paranoid PM's

[1miau]

So you admit your PM to me was just a Troll post?

Your responses so far are proof positive why we need moderated threads to prevent trolls like you from detailing threads.

I'll place you on ignore so you don't send me more of your paranoid PM's

Wow, so all what's left for you are lies against me?
Your accusations against me are not true at all.  
I've never sent you paranoid and / or unsolicited PM's!

But that's exactly what you've done, so let's shed some light on your unsolicited PM's, you've sent me recently:

First act:

June 06, 2023, 06:10:35 AM was when you (Timelord2067) started to write me an unsolicited PM, where you asked me a question about a DT flag. YOU started to spam me with unsolicited PM's!

Because I'm a honest person, I've answered your reply 3 hours later: June 06, 2023, 09:10:12 PM

But you've sent me a PM back, again an unsolicited PM on June 06, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
Discussion was settled, so no reply needed.




Second act:

You've sent me again an unsolicited PM on June 09, 2023, 02:40:11 AM, where you asked me another question of your deranged trust issues.  
Because I'm a honest person, I've replied to you on June 09, 2023, 09:00:31 PM answering your question. Because your left trust on the established accounts in question (you wanted to shit on these accounts) I've been pretty clear, when I've expressed my opposition to your fraudulent left trust telling you that your left trust on these accounts is "inappropriate, wrong and / or completely misleading". After your massive misbehaviour I included a sentence, where I've condemned your perv activities.
Obviously, you felt offended as you've spammed me with another 4-5 PM's after that.
That included even more unsolicited PM spam, where you asked me to review your 3100+ left trust feedbacks, in a PM from June 09, 2023, 10:21:28 PM, where you asked me about it.
I've told you in my reply from June 09, 2023, 10:27:42 PM to open a topic in Reputation if you care about other people's opinions regarding your left feedbacks.  

But you've continued to spam me with unsolicited PM's:



Maybe I should have reported these right away as you are a disgusting troll and a waste of time.

While I've always tried to stay friendly, you've bombarded me back with unsolicited PM spam, asking even more questions (First act and second act).
My PM's always have been only a reaction to your unsolicited PM spam.


tl;dr 1
You are the one sending me unsolicited PM's twice (First act and second act), you disgusting troll!
Maybe stop lying and stop trying to accuse me about things, you have been doing.  

You are untrustworthy and a disgusting scumbag.

tl;dr 2
Timelord2067 is a malicious liar, deliberately spreading wrong accusations.

Conclusion:
⁓Timelord2067

[Timelord2067]

It's funny, just five years ago your thirteenth post (that survives) was identical to this thread where you had two of your posts deleted in a self moderated thread so you started that other thread to exact your revenge for two of your posts being deleted.

Abuse of self-moderation by scammers

I posted two warnings, both were deleted

Poor you.

[1miau]

It's funny, just five years ago your thirteenth post (that survives) was identical to this thread where you had two of your posts deleted in a self moderated thread so you started that other thread to exact your revenge for two of your posts being deleted.

Abuse of self-moderation by scammers

I posted two warnings, both were deleted

Poor you.

Dude, your claim is wrong, again.
The comment you are referring to is where I’ve exposed a scammer, yokxashor and his scamsite "Bitconnext" ("next Bitconect").

In my topic, I've suggested to disable self-moderation for negatively trusted accounts having accumulated multiple negative trusts (clearly proven scammers):

… Someone who is extremely untrustworthy shouldn’t be allowed to delete critical comments here and promote his scam.

Requirement to disable the self-moderation is a really high red trust score over 50 (just an idea) [old DT system]. So many DT members have to confirm, that OP is a real scammer.
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My suggestion isn’t that different from what we’ve read in the replies here now, where some people already suggested to disable self-moderation for Newbie accounts. Disabling it for negatively trusted accounts would be a good idea as well (and that’s what I’ve suggested back then…).
I've said nowhere that self-moderation is overally a negative feature, my suggestion was about disabling it for proven scammers.
But you are trying to spread wrong claims again.

You should read my entire post before leaving an uneducated comment…

[GazetaBitcoin]

1miau, it is useless to try to use a rational manner of speaking with the baboon. As you know well, the old perv is always bringing up some ridiculous ideas, taken out of context, but he assembles them in such a manner that if someone not knowing him is reading his imbecilities may be tempted, at first sight, to believe him.

However, the approach of the troll is very well known by most of forum users, thus his attempts are futile. If you want, in a way, he is just like c******unter. c******unter used, in his glorious days, to write all sort of idiocies, but he paid enough attention to touch OP's subject as well, thus his posts could not be (always) reported for being off-topic (and, therefore deleted). Apparently, c******unter was a sort of mentor for our village idiot named Timelord and now he applies what he learned from forum's (probably) greatest troll. However, sadly for him, he is years behind the skills of his mentor and all he does is to ridicule himself up to the point of being excluded from DT1.

Now, of course, his Neanderthal mind needs to fight back somehow. So, in-between some baseless accusations of racism, he hijacks various threads, trying to derail them. But no worry, the baboon is excluded by 15 DT1 users or so, thus his glory days here are over. Just ignore him.

[1miau]

1miau, it is useless to try to use a rational manner of speaking with the baboon. As you know well, the old perv is always bringing up some ridiculous ideas, taken out of context, but he assembles them in such a manner that if someone not knowing him is reading his imbecilities may be tempted, at first sight, to believe him.
...

It is very true, his tactics are well known and easy to expose.
But I'm always surprised that he doesn't notice how his repeated trollings are achieving exactly the opposite of what he's trying to achieve:
Everytime he continues his ramblings, everytime he's spamming some more nonsense, he's digging his own hole deeper himself.
He doesn't notice how his repeated trolling and even doubling down on clear mistakes is making it obvious for everyone, how flawed his "arguments" really are. 
He has demonstrated to have lost touch with reality and abandoned any reasonable discussion again and again...

But after all the poll in our topic is pretty clear because I've expected no different result. 

[rby]

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In my opinion self-moderation should never be banned, and those people who want it to be banned should understand that they wont get any success in their negative intentions. The feature is unique and can be put into use in a very well manner by good posters, thread creators, and even managers of the forum. Any post that has self-moderation can make negative posters to run away from that post because they know very well that if they reply with useless responses on that post then they will be ignored by the OP, and their replies will be deleted without any question.

I will not say that everyone that voted against self-moderation has negative intentions. They are just exercising their right to suggestions.
Adding to the existing discussion, before you post in any self-moderated thread, the forum has a way to notify you that such a thread is self-moderated. That if you do not wish to be moderated, consider not posting in the thread. I believe this settles the whole debate or argument. This is a free froum, if you want to moderate people, created a self-moderated thread. If you don't want to be moderated by anyone apart from moderators, avoid self moderated threads.

[Timelord2067]

You have to laugh at 1miau - for all their hyperventilating over the last week trying to get others to DT distrust me with factually incorrect allegations concerning our PM exchange, 1miau themselves forgot to DT distrust me until only a couple of hours ago.

https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusting=1miau&trusted=timelord2067&chtype=All

Sad really.

[1miau]

You have to laugh at 1miau - for all their hyperventilating over the last week trying to get others to DT distrust me with factually incorrect allegations concerning our PM exchange,

Again, you are openly lying.
I've explained in detail, that you've sent me unsolicited PM's in two acts, where you spammed my inbox and asked about your petty trust issues. Next time, I won't bother to reply to your unsolicited PM's as it's a waste of time anyways and now, you are also ungrateful for it, that I took some time to reply to your bullshit PM. 

At least everyone can see now that my feedback is true and you are indeed a malicious liar.

1miau themselves forgot to DT distrust me until only a couple of hours ago.

https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusting=1miau&trusted=timelord2067&chtype=All

Sad really.

Yes, really sad that I've given you the benefit of doubt far too long. At least it's now clear to me that your judgement is totally flawed, that you are a disgusting liar and a stupid clown.
That's what people are getting from you if someone tries to be nice and helpful...

Nice from you, to show that for everyone what an ungrateful, trolling clown you are. 

~Timelord2067
and
~Timelord2o67

[icalical]

It's a nice features and it shouldn't be removed. Most of the arguments about self moderated topic being a bad thing is that the feature is abused by scammer, but the forum already have solution for that, the trust system and the scam accusation section. Checking sellers trust record is more efficient than thoroughly checking the replies on their service thread.

The only valid argument would be that it prevent freedom of speech, but really, if your post get deleted in someone else thread, just create your own topic and post your opinion there.

[Litecoindigger]

We know it already, troll is a big issue. Troll and spam.
It is not always quick to report it to a moderator because sometimes moderator seems to be busy. Self moderation can fight troll or spam quick.

Self moderation is very good and efficient against troll and spam.

[Timelord2067]

So you admit your PM to me was just a Troll post?

Your responses so far are proof positive why we need moderated threads to prevent trolls like you from detailing threads.

I'll place you on ignore so you don't send me more of your paranoid PM's

Wow, so all what's left for you are lies against me?
Your accusations against me are not true at all.  
I've never sent you paranoid and / or unsolicited PM's!

But that's exactly what you've done, so let's shed some light on your unsolicited PM's, you've sent me recently:

First act:

June 06, 2023, 06:10:35 AM was when you (Timelord2067) started to write me an unsolicited PM, where you asked me a question about a DT flag. YOU started to spam me with unsolicited PM's!

What 1miau hasn't anticipated is that I sent the *exact* same PM simultaneously to @babo, @yahoo62278, @actmyname, @JollyGood, @DireWolfM14 and @1miau - I surprised no one picked up on the *exact* time of their PM from me corresponded to the one 1miau now dramatizes.



I had inadvertently left off @FatFork and sent them the identical message a little while later:

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Because I'm a honest person, I've answered your reply 3 hours later: June 06, 2023, 09:10:12 PM

This is true - your two smiley faces indicate you appreciated being asked and gave responses in an open manor which contradicts your version of events:

But you've sent me a PM back, again an unsolicited PM on June 06, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
Discussion was settled, so no reply needed.

Let's just hit the pause button on the "discussion was settled" for a moment.

Yes, I replied to your first reply:



As we can see in this screen shot, each person I PM'ed received an identical or near identical reply - 1miau included.  Two respectful PM from me, the first a question, the second to thank them and one PM from them.  My second "unsolicited PM" was to thank you for responding to my first PM.

Second act:

You've sent me again an unsolicited PM on June 09, 2023, 02:40:11 AM, where you asked me another question of your deranged trust issues.

True, here it is:



As you can see I sent the same word-for-word message to the others users mentioned.  While I haven't read line-for-line every thread in meta or reputation over the last couple of days, I don't recall anyone else who received these messages claiming them to be anything even remotely what you now claim them to be.

Further more, I had taken on board the observations others had made concerning the evidence I had relied upon.  I posted the additional information, changed from negative to neutral their trust feedbacks and removed my support of the two flags and have deleted 90% of my trust feedback and simply asked others (yourself included) to review the changes that I had made.

How deranged is that?  I did what you told me to do.


This was your reply:



Gone was the respectful response and instead the accusations against me started.  (Paradoxically you merited the initial investigation which is what prompted me to ask for your opinion in the first place))


1miau: Please apologize for having misled everyone who is reading this and admit you are misleading in what you are saying about me.  

I haven't posted all of our exchange - but for anyone who is still reading know this:  I responded respectfully to each confrontational message from 1miau and my last PM to 1miau was a polite request that they stop Trolling me.

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~Timelord2067

If you will, but not on the basis of the lies being told by 1miau.

Thanks for reading.