[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas

[mirakal]

Yeah, he could be up there with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr as one of the greatest Mexican fighter or at least in the modern era if he wins his 3 fight deal with PBC. However, I don't know if you will agree with me, but it seems that Canelo is on a decline, starting with a lost to Bivol and then his last fight against John Ryder in Mexico, he was not impressive, causing some fans to question if he still has it or not.

So this fight is very important for him, maybe if he is on the decline, he could still win in a narrow score in the judges score card. But if he chooses a taller and natural 168 lbs in Benavidez, it might be his another L, in my opinion.

Isn't Canelo team docking Benavidez?  The main reason is that Canelo team has no confidence that their boxer will win against Benavidez.  They wanted to maintain Canelo being the cash cow and don't want to spoil their means of getting money.  If Canelo fight Benavidez and got KO'ed or got a controversial win, then I believe the popularity of Canelo will suffer and it is obvious that it will affect their cash cow's capability to bring more money .  This is also the reason why they are prioritizing smaller boxer to fight so that they can have a bigger chance of winning and continue to make Canelo their source of huge funds.

Nobody can deny or confirm that claim but judging the current picture, it sure looks to me as well that Canelo and his team is ducking for a possible fight with Benavidez. They are just hiding behind the reason that Benavidez doesn't have anything to offer that is why a a fight with him will have no benefit for Canelo, I mean obviously that is the case because Canelo currently holds all four belts. To add that, these sanctioning bodies aren't doing something to give Canelo a mandatory fight against Benavidez.

And to add again, it is the same situation for the Bivol vs Canelo rematch because Bivol's camp already said that Canelo's camp are just acting that they want a rematch but in reality, there are not moving at all and we know what might be the reasons for that.

[Kemarit]

Yeah, he could be up there with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr as one of the greatest Mexican fighter or at least in the modern era if he wins his 3 fight deal with PBC. However, I don't know if you will agree with me, but it seems that Canelo is on a decline, starting with a lost to Bivol and then his last fight against John Ryder in Mexico, he was not impressive, causing some fans to question if he still has it or not.

So this fight is very important for him, maybe if he is on the decline, he could still win in a narrow score in the judges score card. But if he chooses a taller and natural 168 lbs in Benavidez, it might be his another L, in my opinion.

Isn't Canelo team docking Benavidez?  The main reason is that Canelo team has no confidence that their boxer will win against Benavidez.  They wanted to maintain Canelo being the cash cow and don't want to spoil their means of getting money.  If Canelo fight Benavidez and got KO'ed or got a controversial win, then I believe the popularity of Canelo will suffer and it is obvious that it will affect their cash cow's capability to bring more money .  This is also the reason why they are prioritizing smaller boxer to fight so that they can have a bigger chance of winning and continue to make Canelo their source of huge funds.

For now it looks that way, but there are speculations that the 3 fight deal that he signs with Al Haymon included a fight with David Benavidez, so it's early to call that he docks him. According to Canelo, Benavidez doesn't have any in his resume that interest Canelo to fight for him. But maybe later, or as what the news says, Benavidez is rumoured to be fighting Andrade next.

So maybe if Benavidez win and then Canelo beat Jermell Charlo, they could set up a fight in Mexican Cinco de Mayo next year. So we will see, Canelo is really looking for this big payday fight in his 3 fight deal.

[Maslate]

Yeah, he could be up there with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr as one of the greatest Mexican fighter or at least in the modern era if he wins his 3 fight deal with PBC. However, I don't know if you will agree with me, but it seems that Canelo is on a decline, starting with a lost to Bivol and then his last fight against John Ryder in Mexico, he was not impressive, causing some fans to question if he still has it or not.

So this fight is very important for him, maybe if he is on the decline, he could still win in a narrow score in the judges score card. But if he chooses a taller and natural 168 lbs in Benavidez, it might be his another L, in my opinion.

Isn't Canelo team docking Benavidez?  The main reason is that Canelo team has no confidence that their boxer will win against Benavidez.  They wanted to maintain Canelo being the cash cow and don't want to spoil their means of getting money.  If Canelo fight Benavidez and got KO'ed or got a controversial win, then I believe the popularity of Canelo will suffer and it is obvious that it will affect their cash cow's capability to bring more money .  This is also the reason why they are prioritizing smaller boxer to fight so that they can have a bigger chance of winning and continue to make Canelo their source of huge funds.

For now it looks that way, but there are speculations that the 3 fight deal that he signs with Al Haymon included a fight with David Benavidez, so it's early to call that he docks him. According to Canelo, Benavidez doesn't have any in his resume that interest Canelo to fight for him. But maybe later, or as what the news says, Benavidez is rumoured to be fighting Andrade next.

So maybe if Benavidez win and then Canelo beat Jermell Charlo, they could set up a fight in Mexican Cinco de Mayo next year. So we will see, Canelo is really looking for this big payday fight in his 3 fight deal.

Is Dmitry Bivol included in the 3-fight deal that Canelo signed with Al Haymon? Because I'm not that sure if Canelo is still making a move for that one as it seems that the discussion between them has gotten cold now and already fell into pieces as Bivol's camp are in the silent zone as well. So anyway, a fight with David Benavidez is what I wanted to see in the future and hopefully there will be no excuses like the kid is not yet on that level to become rightful to fight Canelo because that just doesn't make any sense. And if Canelo will try to delay that fight, I hope he knows that the advantage is gradually transitioning towards Benavidez as there's no high hopes anymore for Canelo if he's already a year or two older than his age now.

[goldkingcoiner]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

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Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

[Westinhome]

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

This shows the good chemistry with the Charlo and Mike Tyson.Because Tyson never praise any one for the game without the boxer had good game.He is the god of Boxing as like the Lara,Sachin tendulkar to the cricket.The experience person will say the person who win the game by the view.So this had some sense is my opinion,the Jermall going to win the game by the K.O of Canelo.It doesn't mean Canelo doesn't had a game,the game of Charlo was ambitious game and he had more will power to win the game.

[Baofeng]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

He is just lucky that he was given this chance and opportunity to fight Alvarez and most likely because of his good relationship with Al Haymon. If not, then there could be other fighters can could line up for Canelo. But I guess Canelo is too smart not to sign with Match Room and instead go to PBC as they don't have a stable of good 168 lbs fighters.

[Jating]

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

This shows the good chemistry with the Charlo and Mike Tyson.Because Tyson never praise any one for the game without the boxer had good game.He is the god of Boxing as like the Lara,Sachin tendulkar to the cricket.The experience person will say the person who win the game by the view.So this had some sense is my opinion,the Jermall going to win the game by the K.O of Canelo.It doesn't mean Canelo doesn't had a game,the game of Charlo was ambitious game and he had more will power to win the game.

I'm not really sure what you mean though, Tyson has been praising a lot of boxers, from Inoue, to Francis Ngannou to Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis. Not sure if you are also aware that Mike Tyson has a podcast that he guest fighters so to he is very known to give credits to this fighters.

So not surprise that he will support Canelo here is that is the case. For sure he has his reasons and for us it's obvious too. Jumping 2 weight classes and then fighting the best super Middleweight, we can commend Charlo for having the balls but that's it. After this fight, he should go back to 154 lbs and fight Crawford.

[Japinat]

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

This shows the good chemistry with the Charlo and Mike Tyson.Because Tyson never praise any one for the game without the boxer had good game.He is the god of Boxing as like the Lara,Sachin tendulkar to the cricket.The experience person will say the person who win the game by the view.So this had some sense is my opinion,the Jermall going to win the game by the K.O of Canelo.It doesn't mean Canelo doesn't had a game,the game of Charlo was ambitious game and he had more will power to win the game.

I'm not really sure what you mean though, Tyson has been praising a lot of boxers, from Inoue, to Francis Ngannou to Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis. Not sure if you are also aware that Mike Tyson has a podcast that he guest fighters so to he is very known to give credits to this fighters.

So not surprise that he will support Canelo here is that is the case. For sure he has his reasons and for us it's obvious too. Jumping 2 weight classes and then fighting the best super Middleweight, we can commend Charlo for having the balls but that's it. After this fight, he should go back to 154 lbs and fight Crawford.

The only advantage I can see that Charlo has is that Canelo is not that the same anymore but still, that doesn't change the fact that his odds to win the fight are much smaller compared to the latter who has already proven throughout the times that he is indeed the best boxer at 168 and once the P4P King. Besides, it doesn't have to be that complicated to figure out who have the upper hand in this fight and we sure know who's who that is why a lot of people are doubting Charlo's move towards Canelo because that is indeed a big jump just to fight Canelo and have a big paycheck.

[Shamm]

Canelo Alvarez has proven a lot of things in the boxing industry he is champion that very strong, and even some toughest boxer in all time he defeated without a doubt Canelo is very strong and tough boxer in his division. But sd of now jermell charlo will face canelo alvarez which if we base on the background of charlo we can say that ge is one of the strong boxers. And ye this fight will be the biggest fight in all-time.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Canelo Alvarez has proven a lot of things in the boxing industry he is champion that very strong, and even some toughest boxer in all time he defeated without a doubt Canelo is very strong and tough boxer in his division. But sd of now jermell charlo will face canelo alvarez which if we base on the background of charlo we can say that ge is one of the strong boxers. And ye this fight will be the biggest fight in all-time.

Well, we cannot deny that Canelo is one of the strongest fighters, I also like how this boxer does his things, as his way of training shows us, it should also be noted that he is a boxer who is quite a searcher of things on social networks because he always We have seen him that he likes to attract attention and do things that others do not, so it is something different, with respect to Jermell I cannot say less, he is a boxer who has great technique, a good punch, I like how he uses the left, I don't like his way of blocking or defending blows, he is a boxer that I sometimes see that he is and it is easy to make a counterattack and he does not have much capacity except by embracing, it is the only thing, here the one who could have an advantage is Canelo because he does not manage his defense and attack a little better, besides that he is a more versatile boxer and he sticks to what is in the ring, he is more bearable and has a lot of intelligence when fighting.

and Canelo's coach saves nothing:

Canelo’s trainer: “First, Jermell, then go after Jermall Charlo”

By Dan Ambrose: Trainer Eddy Reynoso says Canelo Alvarez will be targeting Jermall Charlo next after they face Jermell Charlo next month on September 30th on Showtime in Las Vegas. Reynoso feels that the unbeaten WBC middleweight champion Jermall (32-0, 22 KOs), who hasn’t fought in 2+ years, is a good option for Canelo (59-2-2, 39 KOs) to fight next after he takes care of the smaller Charlo, Jermell. The boxing public hoped that the undisputed super middleweight champion Canelo would finally face his WBC 168-lb mandatory challenger David Benavidez because he’s already been waiting for two years for his title sho

Source: Canelo's Trainer: "First, Jermell, Then Go After Jermall Charlo" - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/08/canelos-trainer-first-jermell-then-go-after-jermall-charlo/)

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/08/canelos-trainer-first-jermell-then-go-after-jermall-charlo/

Well, many things can be speculated, but I prefer that this fight take place first, let's see how Canelo fares with the result, there are always many possibilities, but here in boxing anything can happen, it's not that Canelo is sure about it. 1005 and things go the best way, he can also lose, and in the event that Canelo loses, how will they do later? what fights could be for Canelo, because when a boxer loses he is not so valued to fight, at least that is what it seems to me, I don't see any other way, from what I have seen in boxing fights and worldwide things are handled like this.

Personally, I really like Canelo's fighting style, his strategy is good, in addition to the fact that he is a very tough fighter, it is quite difficult to take him down, in the case of Jermell I should prepare myself with a very high level of demand, in Canelo's case too, because an unpleasant surprise for him would not go down well with him or his career, this may be something that we can always see as an option whether they win or not, but for Canelo it is fatal that he could lose.

[serjent05]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

[Darker45]

Jermell is the better and fairer opponent here. Jermall should be given ample time for his comeback. And when he finally does, he shouldn't be facing a Canelo Alvarez right away. He should be facing a tune-up fight first.

Even the active Jermell is expected to be having a hard time fighting against Canelo. His weight adjustment alone is enough challenge for him already. I hope he turns out athletic enough to keep Canelo at bay with efficient jabs.

I think Canelo at -230 and Jermell at +170 are fair enough odds.

[Japinat]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

[mirakal]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

[Kemarit]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

Yes, and sometimes it's going to be an excuse if they lost because of weight issues like rehydration clause by the camp of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Spence who says that 147 lbs for him doesn't feel right.

But in this case it's very different, but still though, maybe in the end Charlo will say that it's too much for him to jump 2 weight class. But he has agreed with the terms though so hopefully there will be no excuses after he lost the fight here.

[goldkingcoiner]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

Yes, and sometimes it's going to be an excuse if they lost because of weight issues like rehydration clause by the camp of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Spence who says that 147 lbs for him doesn't feel right.

But in this case it's very different, but still though, maybe in the end Charlo will say that it's too much for him to jump 2 weight class. But he has agreed with the terms though so hopefully there will be no excuses after he lost the fight here.

I totally think that Charlo has the disadvantage of weight class here. 14 pounds is way too big a difference and that will obviously be one of the main reasons why Charlo will go down. Although if they were both in the same weight class, then I might even give Charlo the benefit of the doubt and say that he could take Canelo, just from looking at his fierce fighting history. If he was smart enough to admit that then he would not go for such an unbalanced fight. But I think that Charlo might be a bit stubborn, so I doubt he will admit that he is biting too far above his weight class.

His naivety or arrogance is what I am going to be counting on. Easy bet.
Although I doubt that Charlo will be making pathetic excuses if he even were to lose.

[Kemarit]

     

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Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

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I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

Yes, and sometimes it's going to be an excuse if they lost because of weight issues like rehydration clause by the camp of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Spence who says that 147 lbs for him doesn't feel right.

But in this case it's very different, but still though, maybe in the end Charlo will say that it's too much for him to jump 2 weight class. But he has agreed with the terms though so hopefully there will be no excuses after he lost the fight here.

I totally think that Charlo has the disadvantage of weight class here. 14 pounds is way too big a difference and that will obviously be one of the main reasons why Charlo will go down. Although if they were both in the same weight class, then I might even give Charlo the benefit of the doubt and say that he could take Canelo, just from looking at his fierce fighting history. If he was smart enough to admit that then he would not go for such an unbalanced fight. But I think that Charlo might be a bit stubborn, so I doubt he will admit that he is biting too far above his weight class.

His naivety or arrogance is what I am going to be counting on. Easy bet.
Although I doubt that Charlo will be making pathetic excuses if he even were to lose.

I didn't say that he has a advantage in this fight, but the fact that he accepts the challenge and thinks that he has a chance to bet this Canelo in his best weight although he could have been in a lot of wear and tear, says something about this Charlo twins.

And yeah, this could be arrogance in their side. This has been their persona though, and even if he lost a fight before to Tony Harrison, they insist that they have won that fight. Give credit to him though for the rematch as he get back his title. But sometimes when you lost, you are going to be humbled and I think Canelo will bring pain again to Jermell Charlo at 168 lbs.

[Japinat]

     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.

Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

Yes, and sometimes it's going to be an excuse if they lost because of weight issues like rehydration clause by the camp of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Spence who says that 147 lbs for him doesn't feel right.

But in this case it's very different, but still though, maybe in the end Charlo will say that it's too much for him to jump 2 weight class. But he has agreed with the terms though so hopefully there will be no excuses after he lost the fight here.

There shouldn't be an issue because he chose this path for a reason where he will be needing to jump weight classes and it will be a big embarrassment if he will starts making an excuse upon his defeat because people already know the chances beforehand and it's not that he is expected to make a miracle. He just should just stick with it and move on but if in case he wins, he can have all the credit for it because it will mean that he will be the new undisputed at 168. But first, we'll see what he can do against Canelo.

[mirakal]

There shouldn't be an issue because he chose this path for a reason where he will be needing to jump weight classes and it will be a big embarrassment if he will starts making an excuse upon his defeat because people already know the chances beforehand and it's not that he is expected to make a miracle. He just should just stick with it and move on but if in case he wins, he can have all the credit for it because it will mean that he will be the new undisputed at 168. But first, we'll see what he can do against Canelo.

We will know more of that once the both of them is done sharing the same stage as either way, only one will come out smiling and winning in this fight because I don't think that a draw is one of the possible outcomes in this fight. And so, I guess we should rule that out too.

As per speculations, it is not that shocking anymore that people are rooting for Canelo over Charlo because how can we go against the undisputed champion if the challenger isn't even from super middleweight division.