[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

If I'm not mistaken, Barrios came from a win mate, against a relatively unknown Jovanie Santiago. So he might be in the momentum here against Ugas. I wouldn't say that Ugas is predictable, he had success early on Spence and almost knock him down with Spence lost focus.

For Barrios, he had losses to Thurman, so I guess we can see that when he tries to step the competition, he somewhat looks very B level fighter as compare to Ugas who has fought and give better fights when he faces tough opponents.

The WBC is once again doing magic for money. Both do not deserve this WBC interim fight. Yordenis Ugas is a good fighter but after being badly beaten by Spence and more than a year of inactivity, there is no valid reason why he gets this shot right away. Mario Barrios does not even deserve a rank in the top 10. Aside from the WBC, I doubt the other 3 sanctioning bodies are ranking him in the top 10. Ugas is already old and inactive but he should be able to win by decision against the more undeserving opponent.

I wonder how much PBC is paying Sulaiman to keep the belt in their network once Terrence Crawford vacates his belts. Although it is only for the WBC interim belt, it will probably help the Canelo-Charlo PPV at least to the casuals.

Yes, it seems that again, Sulaiman has been paid to have this two underserving fighters to fight in the undercard and then have the interim belt in the line and it's pretty obvious though. PBC is really that have influence in boxing right now, and so it's a win-win for WBC and for the stable fighters of PBC at 147 lbs.

For this fight, I read some social media post about the fame coach Roach saying that he favors Charlo here and he will be the first one to knockout Canelo. With all respect to Roach though, we all know what he had done to Manny and other boxers, but not sure what so special that he see on Charlo to say that. Maybe he thought that Canelo is declining, but I doubt that he can simply be knockout at 168 lbs.

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[Baofeng]

It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

I do agree that it was a big surprised that this names become the an undercard and then it will be for the interim belt. Ugas has been exposed already by Spence during their fight. He is lucky that he caught Manny during their fight, I mean Manny didn't train for him, so Manny wasn't able to tailor his strategy for a Ugas fight that's why he upset the legendary boxer.

But against Spence, it was a different Ugas, he was just fighting in the pocket, although with Spence mental lapses, he almost got to score a knockdown.

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

[Ziskinberg]

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

We never know; unexpected things can happen. Remember when we thought that Canelo would easily beat Bivol, but the opposite happened? Jermell Charlo may not be a KO artist like Canelo, but he is the bigger guy here. If he can use his size advantage to frustrate Canelo, it might make Canelo lose his focus, and in the later rounds, Jermell Charlo might be able to capitalize on that. Although I would agree that the chances of it happening are very slim, this is boxing, and both fighters are capable in the ring, so let's consider the possibility.

[inthelongrun]

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For this fight, I read some social media post about the fame coach Roach saying that he favors Charlo here and he will be the first one to knockout Canelo. With all respect to Roach though, we all know what he had done to Manny and other boxers, but not sure what so special that he see on Charlo to say that. Maybe he thought that Canelo is declining, but I doubt that he can simply be knockout at 168 lbs.

I also saw it on Facebook but I haven't read nor heard his full explanation on why he thought Charlo would win over Canelo at 168. But maybe it is really about the thought that Canelo is already declining. I also heard rumors that Canelo's lifestyle has changed a lot lately and his work ethic is no longer the same.

But still, it is really hard to see Charlo win by knockout. Maybe a decision is possible but I cannot imagine Canelo getting knocked out. Bivol at 175 pummeled Canelo but there was not even a single knockdown so I highly doubt a 154 guy moving up 2 divisions and is also not a known knockout artist will score a knockout win. 

[Kemarit]

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For this fight, I read some social media post about the fame coach Roach saying that he favors Charlo here and he will be the first one to knockout Canelo. With all respect to Roach though, we all know what he had done to Manny and other boxers, but not sure what so special that he see on Charlo to say that. Maybe he thought that Canelo is declining, but I doubt that he can simply be knockout at 168 lbs.

I also saw it on Facebook but I haven't read nor heard his full explanation on why he thought Charlo would win over Canelo at 168. But maybe it is really about the thought that Canelo is already declining. I also heard rumors that Canelo's lifestyle has changed a lot lately and his work ethic is no longer the same.

Yes, it could be that Roach saw something in the John Ryder fight that he thinks that Canelo is declining already.
And I think Canelo knows this, and he even answer this question and he says that this fight will tell if he is already declining or not.

But still, it is really hard to see Charlo win by knockout. Maybe a decision is possible but I cannot imagine Canelo getting knocked out. Bivol at 175 pummeled Canelo but there was not even a single knockdown so I highly doubt a 154 guy moving up 2 divisions and is also not a known knockout artist will score a knockout win.  

Or even GGG himself, who tag Canelo with power punches, and yet he still just shake it off as it nothing hits him. So his chin is still intact as he gets older.
And as you have said, a true 175 lbs, didn't even put a dent on Canelo but it's obvious that he might felt the power of Bivol but not enough to even shake his knees.
So I also doubt that Charlo will be the one to knock him out.
Maybe Roach is just hyping this fight.

[Baofeng]

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

We never know; unexpected things can happen. Remember when we thought that Canelo would easily beat Bivol, but the opposite happened? Jermell Charlo may not be a KO artist like Canelo, but he is the bigger guy here. If he can use his size advantage to frustrate Canelo, it might make Canelo lose his focus, and in the later rounds, Jermell Charlo might be able to capitalize on that. Although I would agree that the chances of it happening are very slim, this is boxing, and both fighters are capable in the ring, so let's consider the possibility.

I mean if we are talking about a knockout win against Canelo? Even the bigger and the natural LHW in Bivol wasn't able to bring Canelo down even if he had that advantage and even the volume punching that he thrown in that fight. There were moments that Canelo was is in corner and has been hit multiple times by Bivol and yet he even encourage Bivol to come in for more.

That's why I said, if there is an upset win, Canelo might lose in the cards and not be a knockout by Charlo. Charlo is the bigger guy, he is tall, but Canelo body is very different, he is very thick, specially in his shoulders and perhaps that is one factor why it's hard to knock him down. He also maintain that center of gravity.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I do agree that it was a big surprised that this names become the an undercard and then it will be for the interim belt. Ugas has been exposed already by Spence during their fight. He is lucky that he caught Manny during their fight, I mean Manny didn't train for him, so Manny wasn't able to tailor his strategy for a Ugas fight that's why he upset the legendary boxer.

But against Spence, it was a different Ugas, he was just fighting in the pocket, although with Spence mental lapses, he almost got to score a knockdown.

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

The only thing more insane than Freddie Roach's prediction is the fact that Mario Barrios is somehow getting another opportunity at a major title. His most notable accomplishment is winning a very questionable decision for a secondary WBA title against an unknown fighter with only 7 fights. Somehow he goes on to headline two PPVs and is now featured on a Canelo undercard fighting for a belt which has no reason to exist since Crawford is the undisputed champ and is not injured. The sanctioning bodies, mainly the WBC and WBA, don't even try to hide their corruption by allowing their favorite promoters to dictate which fighters are given the opportunity to become champion regardless of how deserving they may be.

[TravelMug]

I do agree that it was a big surprised that this names become the an undercard and then it will be for the interim belt. Ugas has been exposed already by Spence during their fight. He is lucky that he caught Manny during their fight, I mean Manny didn't train for him, so Manny wasn't able to tailor his strategy for a Ugas fight that's why he upset the legendary boxer.

But against Spence, it was a different Ugas, he was just fighting in the pocket, although with Spence mental lapses, he almost got to score a knockdown.

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

The only thing more insane than Freddie Roach's prediction is the fact that Mario Barrios is somehow getting another opportunity at a major title. His most notable accomplishment is winning a very questionable decision for a secondary WBA title against an unknown fighter with only 7 fights. Somehow he goes on to headline two PPVs and is now featured on a Canelo undercard fighting for a belt which has no reason to exist since Crawford is the undisputed champ and is not injured. The sanctioning bodies, mainly the WBC and WBA, don't even try to hide their corruption by allowing their favorite promoters to dictate which fighters are given the opportunity to become champion regardless of how deserving they may be.

That is so true, the likes of WBC really started the whole politics and favouritism and corruption in boxing. And it's obvious that Barrios is not a top level boxer at 147 lbs and yet get the title even if Thurman has defeated him and then Ugas coming from a big lost to Spence.

It's really insane to hear what Freddie Roach said, however, he made a lot of predictions as well in the past if my memory serves me right and it didn't go as want he has said. So I would take it with a grain of salt.

[bisdak40]

Already fight week and as usual, bookies already had a lot of options for us to bet and I've noticed that bookies were enticed that this fight would go the full twelve rounds but I think the opposite as Charlo is small as this is his first fight in the 168lbs division so the risk of being KOed is high at least in my point of view and the odds for that is juicy enough for me to push that button.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Already fight week and as usual, bookies already had a lot of options for us to bet and I've noticed that bookies were enticed that this fight would go the full twelve rounds but I think the opposite as Charlo is small as this is his first fight in the 168lbs division so the risk of being KOed is high at least in my point of view and the odds for that is juicy enough for me to push that button.

I agree, as we’ve seen throughout Canelo’s career, he’s just too good for pretty much everybody and I expect that to be the case here, especially as Charlo is moving up two weight classes for this fight. Canelo is just going to be too strong.

I think Charlo is probably only taking this fight as it’s a career pay day. You just can’t turn down the opportunity to fight Canelo with the financial security it will bring.

I think Canelo might get a late TKO stop win.

There’s a free to enter prediction competition here, if you qualify - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468064.0

[Baofeng]

Already fight week and as usual, bookies already had a lot of options for us to bet and I've noticed that bookies were enticed that this fight would go the full twelve rounds but I think the opposite as Charlo is small as this is his first fight in the 168lbs division so the risk of being KOed is high at least in my point of view and the odds for that is juicy enough for me to push that button.

Yes, it's another good bet for us here mate, so I might be thinking of throwing good money on that line as well. Charlo thinks that he can beat this version of Canelo and it seems that the media is hyping him up.

But I think Canelo will not go down easily, as we have seen when his critics is on him, he proved them wrong just like his fight with GGG. And when we think that he could be in the sunset of his career or at least losing a step, great boxers usually had a fight that will show that he still has it, just like Manny when he beat Keith Thurman.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Yes, it's another good bet for us here mate, so I might be thinking of throwing good money on that line as well. Charlo thinks that he can beat this version of Canelo and it seems that the media is hyping him up.

But I think Canelo will not go down easily, as we have seen when his critics is on him, he proved them wrong just like his fight with GGG. And when we think that he could be in the sunset of his career or at least losing a step, great boxers usually had a fight that will show that he still has it, just like Manny when he beat Keith Thurman.

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

[TopTort777]

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

Maybe Charlo did not get enough fame because he was to big for 154, and looked like he was beating kids?



it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

[Natalim]

Yes, it's another good bet for us here mate, so I might be thinking of throwing good money on that line as well. Charlo thinks that he can beat this version of Canelo and it seems that the media is hyping him up.

But I think Canelo will not go down easily, as we have seen when his critics is on him, he proved them wrong just like his fight with GGG. And when we think that he could be in the sunset of his career or at least losing a step, great boxers usually had a fight that will show that he still has it, just like Manny when he beat Keith Thurman.

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

It wouldn't be good for boxing if Canelo were to lose. After this fight, if he wins, people are already eagerly waiting for a big showdown between Canelo and Crawford, as the latter is planning to move up to challenge Canelo. Canelo is not getting any younger, though, so as he gets older, he becomes more vulnerable. However, a win is still a win, and I don't think a fighter like Jermell Charlo has the kind of skills to defeat Canelo.

[Yaunfitda]

I don't know about you guys but if you have seen the recent interviews between the two, they are somewhat tone down and I would say that there are respect between the two camps. And if ever there are like trash talking, it was very subtle and as if no one wanted to create animosity. However, we all know that once the bell rings, this two combatants are going to take each other head's off.

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

It's one of the weakest and that's why Charlo become the undisputed here. The fighters in this division is like a B-level (no offense to them). But it really benefited Charlo at this point and he is supposedly to fight Tsyzu for the undisputed belt but he says he got injured. But then again after June, it seems that he is completely healed and then jump 2 division to face Alvarez.

[Baofeng]

^ If you are talking about the final press conference?

Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOcrNADu7zE

Yes, there could be some respect along the way, Canelo even joking about the animal thingy that Charlo pull off. But in the face-off, you can clearly see that Charlo is really focus on this fight and doesn't want the stare down to finished as it was Canelo who broke from the stare down and face the media.

[FinneysTrueVision]

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

[Dave1]

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

And to add to that, this is his first time to go to 168 lbs, so his power hasn't been tested, although we can see that he has it at 154 lbs. But this is new weight class for him. His body could adjust to the weight, no doubt about that, but can he bring his power to super middle weight?

That could only be answer inside the ring, if he tasted Canelo's power and how he will respond. But as far as Canelo goes, as you have said, he has face a lot of good boxers throughout his career, to be included there is GGG. But no one has the blue print yet to crack that solid chin of Canelo.

[Hypnosis00]

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

And to add to that, this is his first time to go to 168 lbs, so his power hasn't been tested, although we can see that he has it at 154 lbs. But this is new weight class for him. His body could adjust to the weight, no doubt about that, but can he bring his power to super middle weight?

That could only be answer inside the ring, if he tasted Canelo's power and how he will respond. But as far as Canelo goes, as you have said, he has face a lot of good boxers throughout his career, to be included there is GGG. But no one has the blue print yet to crack that solid chin of Canelo.

For Charlo to beat Canelo, he has to be quicker. It's true that Canelo has a solid chin, which makes it very dangerous to go toe to toe with him. Even the bigger Bivol couldn't knock him out despite his size advantage and fighting in his natural weight. Mayweather understood that as well; he used his quickness to score points throughout the 12 rounds, which is why he dominated Canelo.

[bisdak40]

For Charlo to beat Canelo, he has to be quicker. It's true that Canelo has a solid chin, which makes it very dangerous to go toe to toe with him. Even the bigger Bivol couldn't knock him out despite his size advantage and fighting in his natural weight. Mayweather understood that as well; he used his quickness to score points throughout the 12 rounds, which is why he dominated Canelo.

We must remember that Charlo is adding mass on his body so he can't be quicker than he used to be at 154lbs division so most likely he need to go toe to toe with Canelo once in a while to test how strong Canelo's punch and if he could hurt him but most likely he won't hurt Canelo and he will just fight to survive but i'm hoping that in the later rounds, Canelo would catch Charlo's chin and knock him out cold.

Mayweather's defensive strategy is one of a kind that's why Canelo was having a hard time catching the former and besides he was still so young that time.