Virtual bug?

[Sandra_hakeem]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[Wiwo]

Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.

[goinmerry]

Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

There should be at least an available simulation replay or something related to that term to verify how the result happened. It should show the bettors the overall breakdown of what we really on that game. I don't see it as a misprogrammed if we refer to a legit virtual betting site.

I don't have experience betting on virtual games but since you work at a casino house, are you aware of how virtual betting results are shown?

Does it have a sort of what I mentioned about anything related to viewing the post-match simulation?

[Oshosondy]

Does it have a sort of what I mentioned about anything related to viewing the post-match simulation?

I play virtual football matches at home, also I have went to betting agents before, but I did not noticed anything related to replay. Maybe it can be on some gambling sites, but I have not noticed it before on the one I am using. If you use a well trustworthy betting site, you have nothing to be worried about. Why should a betting site manipulate when they can do everything in a legit way and still earn more money from customers to keep on growing bigger.

[robelneo]

Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

If a player is good and can analyze the game he will question the results, bug, or misprogramming its cheating, when it's a bug and the player lose. the platform will just ignore it, but if it's a bug and the platform losses the game the admin will nullify the result.

Virtual games can be programmed I'm sure you know that but it should not be to the point that the result is questionable and can be considered obvious cheating, 5 goals in a very short period of time is not acceptable for a player who knows the game.

[alegotardo]

Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.

Man, it's really? Since when did wrong become right?

In a business relationship of any kind, justice must always prevail, what you said sounds ridiculous to me and I hope it's just a joke on your part.

Bookmakers already have the house advantage, something that makes you a lot of money and that should be reason enough for them against players.

In the same way that I must accept the site's rules when registering, the site must also respect the transparency and fairness of the bets that the player makes.

Anyway, I know that there are lots of fraudulent sites out there, so it's good to bet only on those that have a reputation to uphold.

[decodx]

I wouldn't put my money on anything that doesn't have a verifiable and fair betting system. When it comes to real matches, you can always cross-check the results on other sites or even watch the match live through a stream. But when it comes to virtual games, I'm not sure how it should work. If I can't independently verify the outcome, I wouldn't risk betting on them.

[_act_]

Within 82nd to 90th minute, away team scored 5 goals? Can you give us the name of the betting sites that you experienced this? If it is true, do not use the betting site again, they are manipulating the whole thing if such thing continues in other matches. But the gambling sites that have virtual games that I have gambled with before can be said to not manipulate anything.

[coin-investor]

Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

That's not good and it's questionable it's obviously cheating this is why I hate virtual games, you cannot verify the result and the platform can easily manipulate the game, they always have the edge but at least they should not show results that obviously cheat a player.

Players know that the house has an edge and they can accept, but showing them a result in favor of the house that can be considered cheating is outrageous, bug or misprogramming always favors the house, they never give winnings that comes from bug.

[dothebeats]

If I wouldn't have any means to verify the result of a game then I simply wouldn't bet on it. Also, if the platform does this to me once, I would most probably let everyone know about it to make sure that no one will ever experience the same thing again. 0 to 5 is an insane feat that anyone can do in a football match, let alone in just a few minutes of game time. Even if it's just a virtual game, there's no way that a team would be able to score 5 goals if they haven't scored a single one in the past 82 minutes.

[ralle14]

Maybe the sportsbook's live score is bugged because I remember it happens on a few sportsbooks. Once their live score desyncs, you'd sometimes be surprised how fast the score moves as they try to adjust it.

The fastest goals i've seen usually are within a minute or two, but if it's five goals within a minute or less, then there's probably an issue with their live score.

[Darker45]

Probably a bug or a glitch or, yeah, an attempt to manipulate the results. It's a virtual game, after all.

But I wonder, why the brazen cheating? I don't know how large this casino is, but if it's large enough that hundreds of thousands in USD is at stake, I don't think they will get away with it. So it could indeed be some sort of technical glitch.

It's just suspicious that not only did a team score 5 goals in a matter of a few minutes, the score of the other team was also reduced. How is it even possible? The score sheets displayed on the screen were erroneous?

[Oasisman]

Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

It could be a bug or some technical issues, but it should undergo an investigation and everyone who placed a bet on that specific match must be a subject for compensation if it's proven a technical issues. It should be considered a manipulation/cheating if the casino refuses to do so.
The 5 goals alone in just a matter of a little left in the clock is already a questionable output, It don't matter if it's a virtual game nobody programs a game to generate that kind of instant result anyway.

[Queentoshi]

A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Gamblers who play in these virtual games know the risk involved and know that winning is on a slim chance, it can go their way, or the way of the casino which is usually more the case, but at other times when someone is lucky, and play these games, the reverse of your story can happen, which is someone who is losing by two goals when the game ends at the 82nd minutes, when the scores are updated on the scoresheet, the person has won by 5 goals to 2 goals. Things can happen in these games, and it can be the luck of the gambler some days.

[coinerer]

Does it have a sort of what I mentioned about anything related to viewing the post-match simulation?

I play virtual football matches at home, also I have went to betting agents before, but I did not noticed anything related to replay. Maybe it can be on some gambling sites, but I have not noticed it before on the one I am using. If you use a well trustworthy betting site, you have nothing to be worried about. Why should a betting site manipulate when they can do everything in a legit way and still earn more money from customers to keep on growing bigger.

It is not normal for a site to have bugs because a site is made up of many systems.  However, there are less bugs in trusted sites and if any gambler is harmed due to any problem on the site, the site authority takes responsibility. So a gambler must gamble on a trusted site and under a trusted agent, in this case he will at least have a chance to avoid being cheated. Gambling never guarantees profit to anyone, so no gambler can get a guaranteed profit even if he gambles on a trusted site with a trusted agent. But may remain scam free

[Gozie51]

but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.

As a worker in the gaming industry and you feel displeasured about what has been happening with customers money where they are losing even at games they were suppose to win, you are in the position to know more and reveal to us on what is happening in the virtual soccer business. So you mean you never complained this or asked the management to at least know what it is for your own knowledge. Or something like that never came up for discussion during the staff meetings.

Virtual soccer is programmed but that a game will change within few minutes against the customer to the abysmal level that will give the bettor sleepless night from thinking of what actually happened, it surely a thought not to go through. Therefore, if this is not happening in any other games or bet but for only the correct score that was about to favour the player, then the gambling house should be able to explain what happened. Unfortunately, one of the disadvantages of virtual soccer is that it lacks comprehensive replay but for 5 goals to be scored within 7/8 minutes to the end of the match by the away team shows a manipulation is possible and also when playing virtual soccer, expect anything from programming.

[YOSHIE]

how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

As far as I know, the Away Goal team refers to the system, it's purely based on Hattrick, Brace, Quattrick, or Quintrick, more commonly known as leg or home-away in the system, usually the away team is considered to have more weight than the home/headquarters team, using a system of determining the highest number of away goals, in the event of a draw or 2-0 one match.

In the Quintrick system, usually players have to try and be sued or required to score 5 goals in one game, I remember when Bayern players scored 2 goals in 4 minutes, on away goals.

Different from the Hattrick system in that away goals players are required to score 6 goals, while Quattrick is demanded 4 goals and Brace 2 goals, as far as I know that is the process of how to determine away goals, more than the assessment of time in one game.

[aioc]

but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.

As a worker in the gaming industry and you feel displeasured about what has been happening with customers money where they are losing even at games they were suppose to win, you are in the position to know more and reveal to us on what is happening in the virtual soccer business. So you mean you never complained this or asked the management to at least know what it is for your own knowledge. Or something like that never came up for discussion during the staff meetings.

Sandra should tell us more, she is the one who can confirm if there are manipulation or bugs like how many times this happened and if there were times that players noticed this, and if they are complaining or totally She does not know everything about this.

Bug or manipulation, players should not experience this, it's a form of cheating, the admins should present their platform free of bugs and manipulation to their players, they need to test their platform for bugs, its better to name that platform, because they could still be doing this.
 

[Sim_card]

I have played virtual game and I didn't take note of any manipulation because I have a friend that has won huge some of funds from virtual and he hasn't stated any bug. However,we have some casino that are not trustworthy and can cheat their customers through manipulation of the game. I believe that ever cheat has been done and programmed in this system which makes the house edge to always win. We should also note that virtual betting is the fastest money consuming game due to the programming,so I don't think that there is any manipulation in virtual game when the game is ongoing.

[Gozie51]

Bug or manipulation, players should not experience this, it's a form of cheating, the admins should present their platform free of bugs and manipulation to their players, they need to test their platform for bugs, its better to name that platform, because they could still be doing this.
 

Hardly would a casino owner want to prevent the easy means that they are hoodwinking their customers unnoticed. Casino is such a business that any vacuum that exist if exploited without being caught then everything is okay. It is not a gentle man business nor business for people who propagate morality. It is for the fash and sharp minds and that is why you hear all the allegations stories in the forum whether true or not but each party is trying to watch their back because if you don't protect yourself, any lakuna could be exploited.

[coin-investor]

It is for the fash and sharp minds and that is why you hear all the allegations stories in the forum whether true or not but each party is trying to watch their back because if you don't protect yourself, any lakuna could be exploited.

This is why we should get updates on the platforms that we are playing, not all of us are good at catching cheating casinos, they should be reported to warn other players, they may cheat players one time and get away with it but they cannot cheat players all the time and once caught that's the end of the line for this kind of casino.
So we should urge players to report if there are bugs and manipulation and it should be accompanied by proof because there are also players who try to get it even though they lose fair and square and they gave false allegations and accusations.

[Solosanz]

Is there a way to verify the virtual games? if not then anyone shouldn't gamble on virtual games because it could be cheated or manipulated by the casino.

It's not cool for the casino to give a reason due to bug or glitch, people will not happy because they're gambling and they risk their money. Such small mistake would make the gambler don't want to gamble anymore and the casino might lose many gamblers because of fast spread of bad news.

[Eureka_07]

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Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Could you explain how the virtual game works? On average, how much time does a single match consume? If a match takes more than 10 minutes or even 5 minutes, I don't think it's possible to achieve 5 goals "in a blink of an eye." It seems quite impossible, especially in virtual games that take time to produce results, unless the casino is cheating..

[retreat]

Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.

I understand that casinos design their games to be more profitable to their side, because that's how business should work, but I still don't agree with their actions which are detrimental to the players. Their actions in manipulating the game are highly unacceptable and a casino platform like this should be flagged by players not to be recommended to play on it.

[Mr.suevie]

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Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Could you explain how the virtual game works? On average, how much time does a single match consume? If a match takes more than 10 minutes or even 5 minutes, I don't think it's possible to achieve 5 goals "in a blink of an eye." It seems quite impossible, especially in virtual games that take time to produce results, unless the casino is cheating..

I don't know if you have played virtual games before bro, because its takes just some minutes to decide and most times the goals are flashed into one particular game sometimes two goals at once (virtual soccer games)and  every game seems to be already program so its really hard to win against the house. For virtual soccer games the number of goals scored per match is about six goals in 2 to 3 minutes per match and once this amount is achieved no more goals are scored

[abel1337]

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Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Could you explain how the virtual game works? On average, how much time does a single match consume? If a match takes more than 10 minutes or even 5 minutes, I don't think it's possible to achieve 5 goals "in a blink of an eye." It seems quite impossible, especially in virtual games that take time to produce results, unless the casino is cheating..

I don't know if you have played virtual games before bro, because its takes just some minutes to decide and most times the goals are flashed into one particular game sometimes two goals at once (virtual soccer games)and  every game seems to be already program so its really hard to win against the house. For virtual soccer games the number of goals scored per match is about six goals in 2 to 3 minutes per match and once this amount is achieved no more goals are scored

I haven't played that kind of virtual game before so it means that the outcome is decided from the start you placed your bet? Even if it is decided already, I think it's unjust to have a 5 goal straight in an instant Lol. Any gambler would question what happened why did the outcome become like that. I suspect that a visuall bug happened since it is decided from the start. It's illogical to get an instant overwhelming score. You can't even consider it as a comeback without investigations knowing how fast and quick the score are. My best guess is a visual bug.

[pawanjain]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

If you are talking about something that was done years ago then it would probably become harder to verify what had happened.
On a side not, many casino sites are created just to gain profits from their users. So we never know if it was an actual bug or they had implemented it in that way purposely.
In any condition, the casino site will just say it as a technical glitch and redirect the user to their terms and conditions where it would be written that they are not responsible for such glitches.

[OgNasty]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

My honest answer is that I have absolutely no idea. This is one reason why I wouldn’t engage in this sort of gambling. Being unable to prove that a game is fair is enough, but when you start seeing behavior that I would categorize as suspect, I think it’s probably time to move on and find a new game at a new casino to play.

[Yatsan]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

If you are talking about something that was done years ago then it would probably become harder to verify what had happened.
On a side not, many casino sites are created just to gain profits from their users. So we never know if it was an actual bug or they had implemented it in that way purposely.
In any condition, the casino site will just say it as a technical glitch and redirect the user to their terms and conditions where it would be written that they are not responsible for such glitches.

Tendency of some gambling platforms to cheat on their players is possible especially those which are not having long term vision of their site. One reason for them is to just easily abandon their platform and run with the money they have collected. But this is not to scare gambler; main point is to choose the best ones in the market given that there's plenty of options. Indeed glitches could either be an accidental or intentional bug. What would determine on which type it is, is whether it happens a lot and if it is not to a single player or game or match. What is assure is to not be ble to determine such scheme in a single glance no matter how good you are as a gambler.

[ryzaadit]

There is a thing of pre-determined.

So, in a program most the time like (Slot) and these games. The result is already pre-determined even in the case these coming from the user like internet death and other, the result already can be found as long is matches with the provably-fair most the time.

Like (Jakcpot) pick in Slot, you need to get (3 Grand Picture) but have 9 glasses to be picked no matter what glass you're picking if the pre-determined you're not winning the grand then you don't need to carefully pick the glass at all.

[Die_empty]

I wouldn't put my money on anything that doesn't have a verifiable and fair betting system. When it comes to real matches, you can always cross-check the results on other sites or even watch the match live through a stream. But when it comes to virtual games, I'm not sure how it should work. If I can't independently verify the outcome, I wouldn't risk betting on them.

Virtual games are very unpredictable. I will not also bet on such games that solely depend on luck or a pre-planned system. I prefer to bet on games that I can play some part in analyzing the games and predicting the outcome. I have also observed that virtual games are addictive sports games. One can easily be addicted to virtual games because they can be played many times in a few minutes. The situation OP explained is nothing but a planned system to make bettors lose money. If I want to play sports gambling, my choice is always live games.

[Coin_trader]

Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Kylian Mbappe score back to back on world cup finals against Argentina during 80' and 81' mark. Assuming that the game is just virtual games, I think that kind of score is possible since the game is just on simulation. Assuming player is program like Mbappe skills that can score quick then it's really possible.

But since there's a lagging part on the screen which doesn't show the complete result of the game while this game is predetermined. I think it's really a visual bug or the game was wrongly set the final score that is not right to the actual result of the game. Since all the games is not verifiable, I think no one complaint a lot about it which makes this issue is not popular.

[Gozie51]

So we should urge players to report if there are bugs and manipulation and it should be accompanied by proof because there are also players who try to get it even though they lose fair and square and they gave false allegations and accusations.

Reporting also could be dangerous because some bettors are over zealous when they lose their bet, they want to cause problem for the casino. This is like what we have seen in the forum where new accounts have made allegations whether right or wrong. So reporting a casino is dangerous and bettors should be careful and certain with proof if they are to do that.

[Aikidoka]

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Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

I think it's normal to see that sometimes, but not all the time though. If it repeats every time it could be a programming error in the casino system. I'd say I'm pretty sure there's a way to display the replay of how the game was played as proof for the gambler that the virtual game was fair and that no tricks were involved.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Alot of questions, but I think I'll have to answer the most preferred ones.
@Goinmeery, there are no explicit details on the every post match simulations... If you've played on virtuals, you'd know this already.

Maybe the sportsbook's live score is bugged because I remember it happens on a few sportsbooks. Once their live score desyncs, you'd sometimes be surprised how fast the score moves as they try to adjust it.

I'm happy I didn't experience this all by myself... My suggestions are, maybe it would prolly be a glitch - a very bad on for that reason.

The score sheets displayed on the screen were erroneous?

That, I can't tell. We weren't software engineers- I barely had an idea about irregular glitches like that untill now... But I realized that this is still persistent even in some local gambling houses. P/S; I dunno if it happens on sites too, I'm only sure of a casino house settings.

.. how much time does a single match consume?

just like what the quoted post from you below says, I'm not sure you've played on virtual games before - some virtual games would take only 3 minutes to decide a win or lose, and that's even the more reasons why it becomes very entertaining. Maybe you thought we all were talking about virtuals like ZOOM? that takes way-too long.

I don't know if you have played virtual games before bro, because its takes just some minutes to decide and most times the goals are flashed into one particular game sometimes two goals at once (virtual soccer games)and  every game seems to be already program so its really hard to win against the house. For virtual soccer games the number of goals scored per match is about six goals in 2 to 3 minutes per match and once this amount is achieved no more goals are scored

As far as I know, the Away Goal team refers to the system, it's purely based on Hattrick, Brace, Quattrick, or Quintrick, more commonly known as leg or home-away in the system, usually the away team is considered to have more weight than the home/headquarters team, using a system of determining the highest number of away goals, in the event of a draw or 2-0 one match.

In the Quintrick system, usually players have to try and be sued or required to score 5 goals in one game, I remember when Bayern players scored 2 goals in 4 minutes, on away goals.

Different from the Hattrick system in that away goals players are required to score 6 goals, while Quattrick is demanded 4 goals and Brace 2 goals, as far as I know that is the process of how to determine away goals, more than the assessment of time in one game.

yosh! That's exactly on point! Those domains aren't programmed in favour of the gamblers...that can never be!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[o48o]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

This is the first time i even hear about virtual bettings, i had a feeling i know what you meant but i had to google and confirm.
You didn't mention the casino and i am assuming now that you are telling the truth even though i have no way to confirm it and stuff you said was pretty vague.

But it sure sounds like a bug, which shouldn't be happening with the games like that as it beats the purpose of the whole game.
May i ask if there were times when it happened other way around? Times when gambler was sure to lose but numbers changed for their benefit and they won?

[Wexnident]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Isn't that most likely a bug? I mean if the screen suddenly stops and within less than a minute, the score suddenly jumps up to 2-5, unless this was a pre-recorded scene and somehow some of the footage was corrupted, then it's impossible for a team, no matter how "virtual" it is, to score 5 goals in that instant. That is unless there's again, another mechanism that virtual games use to speed up the time it takes, skipping most of the passing and whatnot and only showing the goals. Or, the screen itself was bugged. Have you tried confirming if other users experienced the same thing/other providers?

I haven't really tried virtual sports though so I'm not sure.

[Casdinyard]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

I don't get this entirely, so does this mean that casinos are actively making efforts all to ensure that players won't win? Do you have any proof of this? Cause if this is so then we're probably looking at a class-action lawsuit against multiple chains of gambling sites/casinos if proven that these casinos/sportsbooks are actively undermining their players in the name of profit. But for now, given the fact that we don't really have enough evidence going on besides the fact that you said you "worked for a casino one time and you saw this", it's safe to assume that this is just a visual bug or a bug in the system that could easily be fixed to give the players the peace of mind they need. This is most especially if the outcomes don't change and the players are still receiving their wins.

[DoublerHunter]

There is a thing of pre-determined.

So, in a program most the time like (Slot) and these games. The result is already pre-determined even in the case these coming from the user like internet death and other, the result already can be found as long is matches with the provably-fair most the time.
~snip~

^I agree with this, there is a thing of pre-determined.
But in my mind, glitches and programming errors can occasionally occur in virtual games, leading to unexpected outcomes or incorrect score updates. However, without further information or investigation, it is difficult to definitively determine if it was indeed a bug. If OP encountered this issue while playing or betting on a specific virtual game, I would recommend reaching out to the game developers or platform administrators to inquire about the situation and seek clarification on the matter. They would be better have investigate and provide you with a more accurate explanation.

[danherbias07]

RNG. It's quite shocking sometimes. I don't think it is a bug.
Was your sample a soccer game? Well, it's a virtual game so anything could happen in just one to five minutes.

I really wish they could provide a replay of games like this on how the heck those things happen in just a manner of time. But I guess the game always depends on weighing the betting amount on each side. I mean, the house cannot lose, they are just like the middleman in this type of game. So if Team A has 8 bettors and Team B has 10, then they might just let Team A win and take the excess amount for payment as an arbiter.
All we can do is rely on our luck that we are on the right winning side. I'd rather choose Esports although they have some issues too at selling games.

[rhomelmabini]

In a matter of minutes? I think that's cheating on the casino's side if not other else. I could see it as such but if it's a virtual game that could be possible. Aren't this part of your NDA if you have worked for them? Well, good to know that one but for me it's likely a UI issue if in just a couple of minutes there has been change in score.

[jrrsparkles]

Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.

If any betting platform follows such practice they won't last long cause no one will be interested in playing a casino where everyone loses all the time and the house is being unbeatable. 5 goals in 8 minutes is possible since we are talking about virtual game not an actual soccer but if there is a bug that stopped the simulation then the bet should be cancelled to be fair so that no one will lose the money.

[Pierre 2]

Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

[Outhue]

If the workers are the ones to display the scores for everyone to see I won't play such game in a casino, even if it's always the house that wins I prefer a game of luck that gives me my result itself, I am not into Virtual but any game where the gambler won't see the result insta with his eye but relies on what the screen score will display is nonsense.

Sports results or scores can't be tampered, for example a soccer game or basketball and many others, they can't fake the scores without you know, if not instantly you will know few minutes after.

[bitbollo]

I think such a question should be asked to the provider that supplies the results of the virtual event. they "know" the answer...
But I believe that TOS of these games clearly described these situations and the final user has very little to complain about
(something like the result you see it's just for information purpose etc etc etc)...

[goldkingcoiner]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Sounds like there might be an issue with the score updating system. Maybe it is a bug, maybe it is on purpose. It really depends on how trustworthy the mentioned casino is in the first place.

That being said, which casino exactly are we talking about? Is the casino registered and audited or is it just some makeshift casino which can be called suspicious?

Because it does not sound like a casino with a well managed program infrastructure. Especially since nobody who works there has addressed the problem, despite it being so glaringly obvious.

I personally would like to think its just a updating problem. Not an actual programming issue (whether by accident or not).

[darewaller]

Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.

If any betting platform follows such practice they won't last long cause no one will be interested in playing a casino where everyone loses all the time and the house is being unbeatable. 5 goals in 8 minutes is possible since we are talking about virtual game not an actual soccer but if there is a bug that stopped the simulation then the bet should be cancelled to be fair so that no one will lose the money.

Are you sure? But what about 1xbet/bit? They are still here and they are still strong despite of the allegations that they are taking. Those old players who got scammed will surely avoid them but there will always be newbies who are too naive. They won't make a research but will only play immediately once they saw the ads online.

Before we play in a virtual sports, we need to check its rules first and see the possibilities such as how much scores can be made in a certain time, that way won't be shocked about the outcome of the game. If in case we noticed something which are not written in the rule, that is the time for us to make a complaint. We and others will then avoid that shady casino if they won't explain what happen and won't resolve the issue.

[jrrsparkles]

Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.

If any betting platform follows such practice they won't last long cause no one will be interested in playing a casino where everyone loses all the time and the house is being unbeatable. 5 goals in 8 minutes is possible since we are talking about virtual game not an actual soccer but if there is a bug that stopped the simulation then the bet should be cancelled to be fair so that no one will lose the money.

Are you sure? But what about 1xbet/bit? They are still here and they are still strong despite of the allegations that they are taking. Those old players who got scammed will surely avoid them but there will always be newbies who are too naive. They won't make a research but will only play immediately once they saw the ads online.

Before we play in a virtual sports, we need to check its rules first and see the possibilities such as how much scores can be made in a certain time, that way won't be shocked about the outcome of the game. If in case we noticed something which are not written in the rule, that is the time for us to make a complaint. We and others will then avoid that shady casino if they won't explain what happen and won't resolve the issue.

I don't know that 1xbit is still making any considerable money cause its clear that they have been exposed on lots of instances that is what I mentioned if reputed site is doing such activities then their trust by its users will be shattered and gradually the userbase will fade away. 1xbit is surviving only by pumping more money in their advertisement and try to attract new users and take whatever money from that user.

[uneng]

Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Without proof the system is provably fair we can only speculate. That can really indicate the house is cheating on the gambler through a "bug" on their virtual program or it can be just the odds playing against the player, because even though to score 5 goals in few minutes seem unlikely, we can't say it's impossible! It's like hiting 16-20 losses in a row on dice game with 49,5% winning chance and calling it a scam! We know these things happen on long term...

That is why it's important to have the provably fair system. So gamblers have no doubts about the legitimacy of games' results in suspicious cases like this.

[Gozie51]

I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team.

Yeah is a programmed football match and you have different clubs or leagues playing so depending on what you want to bet on . It is bet just like real football betting but the funny thing about this program football game is that it is programmed  You understand what I mean? Maybe not. But you see very funny unimaginable and unexpected football play, from keepers missing clear catches, running out of the post while ball is approaching, ridiculously diving towards the wrong position etc and to players missing clear goals even when the keeper is not at the post. Yeah, it is programmed. 

Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

This is the contention. It is possible for goals to be scored in short intervals in a match in real life but to have 5 goals scored within 7 minutes to the end of full time and going by the bet at stake where the customer was already leading 2 goals ahead and just remaining the 3rd but then and there, the table shook and the house won 2-5 away. That is what makes the whole scenario a programmed game.

[Fortify]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

It depends what you mean by "virtual games"? Are you on about non-factual based sports betting that is generated on demand by casinos to give the impression of an actual sports match? If so, I have zero sympathy for the players because you have just as much luck playing slots or putting all your money on red at roulette. Such virtual games are absolutely meaningless and will be engineered to pay out to the casino only. If you want to bet on sports games then do the real thing so you cannot be mislead. I cannot fathom how anyone gets entertainment from betting on a virtual horse race, that as you say can tantalize you with a win until the last second and then result in a bad outcome for you, because you were pre-defined as a losing bet from the outset.

[pawanjain]

Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

You are absolutely right. It's always best to bet on matches happening in real life because those have lesser chance of being manipulated.
Betting on virtual games can be risky and should be avoided all time. We never know if the game is being manipulated or not.
The chances of losing our bets on such games are higher ofcourse.

Additionally, reallife matches provide an opportunity to analyze the teams' performance and make more informed decisions thus increasing our chances of success in betting.
So it's better to stick to the safer option and enjoy the thrill of real sports.

[Cling18]

Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

You are absolutely right. It's always best to bet on matches happening in real life because those have lesser chance of being manipulated.
Betting on virtual games can be risky and should be avoided all time. We never know if the game is being manipulated or not.
The chances of losing our bets on such games are higher ofcourse.

Additionally, reallife matches provide an opportunity to analyze the teams' performance and make more informed decisions thus increasing our chances of success in betting.
So it's better to stick to the safer option and enjoy the thrill of real sports.

I certainly, agree. Been a fan of traditional virtual games but when I have switched to real life matches, I felt more comfortable and confident that it isn't easily be manipulated. Yes, there are also manipulated matches but that rarely happens.

However, we can't deny the fact that some errors and bugs couldn't be avoided sometimes and the most affected is the player because they could have their funds lost in just one bug, in case it happens, they should reach out to the team right away.

It could happen normally but if it happens more often, I think the problem would probably on the casino already.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I certainly, agree. Been a fan of traditional virtual games but when I have switched to real life matches, I felt more comfortable and confident that it isn't easily be manipulated. Yes, there are also manipulated matches but that rarely happens.

Then I wasn't totally mistakened; these things are happening in real life and it doesn't even seem to be a bug atimes... It looks to me like a recovery/stop loss action that's been added to the domain of those local casinos; mind you, I haven't experienced that problem on an online casino.
But IMHO, these things usually comes up once in a while; mostly when it seems the company is losing too much. Alright, maybe someone needs to try out betting on any local casino's virtuals just to ascertain the point.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[justdimin]

Within 82nd to 90th minute, away team scored 5 goals? Can you give us the name of the betting sites that you experienced this? If it is true, do not use the betting site again, they are manipulating the whole thing if such thing continues in other matches. But the gambling sites that have virtual games that I have gambled with before can be said to not manipulate anything.

He didn't say 90th minute there just 82nd. I think the OP isn't working on that casino anymore so maybe it is safe now to name that casino for us to check if the claims are true and it still exists or we can just avoid it completely before the same problem occurs with us and our issue will never be resolved especially if it's an intentional one. This might be one of the problem when we play virtual games.

It is where the betting site owner can do some manipulations or they can rig the game, same to the casino games while if we play the live sports betting games, manipulation won't still be completely free. There are fixed matches and then misleading calls of a referee even if there is already a VAR.

[_act_]

Within 82nd to 90th minute, away team scored 5 goals? Can you give us the name of the betting sites that you experienced this? If it is true, do not use the betting site again, they are manipulating the whole thing if such thing continues in other matches. But the gambling sites that have virtual games that I have gambled with before can be said to not manipulate anything.

He didn't say 90th minute there just 82nd. I think the OP isn't working on that casino anymore so maybe it is safe now to name that casino for us to check if the claims are true and it still exists or we can just avoid it completely before the same problem occurs with us and our issue will never be resolved especially if it's an intentional one. This might be one of the problem when we play virtual games.

It is where the betting site owner can do some manipulations or they can rig the game, same to the casino games while if we play the live sports betting games, manipulation won't still be completely free. There are fixed matches and then misleading calls of a referee even if there is already a VAR.

It did meant what I posted about which you can see in what I quote below:

it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...

@justdimin, if a gambling site is reputed, they can not manipulate but you may still see surprising scores. Virtual matches are programmed in a way gamblers will eventually lose as they lose more in real life gambling, so they have no need to manipulate.

[wiss19]

I'm personally not sure how virtual games or virtual betting works because I've never bet on virtual games, but this obviously sounds like it was manipulation since if we compare that with a real game, we know that it is not possible to score 5 goals in just 8 minutes, maybe it's possible if it's a video game and the opponent is too weak, but even in a video game, it will be pretty difficult to score 5 goals in just a span on 8 minutes or so. So, it sounds suspicious to me.

I don't really understand why people gamble on virtual games when they can do it on real games where it is not possible for the bookies to manipulate the results since they can clearly be seen as the matches are being played live or one can easily watch the highlights later on.

[Saint-loup]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

A misprogramming thing is a bug, 5 goals should never manage to be scored in less than 10 minutes, especially at the end of the game while the other team is leading, because it would look as a scam. So it's better to have a realistic behavior respecting common stats for soccer matches.

[Josefjix]

Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

When my game reaches the jackpot, I smile, but I get upset when I have yet to report any winnings on the system. Winning with a virtual system is not the same as winning with a real live match. That is evidence that it is virtual, not realistic. Therefore the chances of a losing club scoring 5 goals in 2 minutes are extremely minimal, or they don't stand a chance at all. However, with virtual betting, anything is feasible for the purpose to achieve the most favorable results. Virtual bugs have always existed from the beginning of time, and gamblers are already accustomed to the prospect; some coincidences favor the gambler while others do not.

[Peanutswar]

I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

It's on their system verification with the API came from the games they are referring to, its ideal if they you will made a report with the outcome of the game, I experience this before with the e-sports betting which you can wage or bet in your item or inventory that time after they mistake the record on the game they immediately fix and check the result that process the winnings but if they will not at the end of the day you cannot argue and they will just return your bet so you cant do anything just to follow their decisions.

[_act_]

When my game reaches the jackpot, I smile, but I get upset when I have yet to report any winnings on the system. Winning with a virtual system is not the same as winning with a real live match. That is evidence that it is virtual, not realistic. Therefore the chances of a losing club scoring 5 goals in 2 minutes are extremely minimal, or they don't stand a chance at all. However, with virtual betting, anything is feasible for the purpose to achieve the most favorable results. Virtual bugs have always existed from the beginning of time, and gamblers are already accustomed to the prospect; some coincidences favor the gambler while others do not.

You are just right, the chance is minimal, but possible. Although not in a short time but in a way the match will still look real in minutes. I do not believe in the virtual bugs because everything is programmed from A to Z. I mean from the first to the last season are programmed, in a way the gamblers will lose more than they would win. So if there is any bug in virtual matches, I do not believe it would be in the RNG used for it.