Judgment Thread For PytagoraZ by JollyGood

[PytagoraZ]

I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign

I will answer:
1. I am not an alt
2. If I have the opportunity to join the signature, I will join it

Explanation
1. Do you think people registering on forums is the same as registering in a school? do you think newbies are clueless? Let's have a direct discussion, you always avoid having a direct discussion with me. This is not my first forum, do you think this forum is the only forum on the internet? so you dare to accuse me alt. I consider your tag to be an abuse of DT's power as I'm not sure in the future you will remove it

Because you are DT, So I challenge you, prove your accusations, if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power

I'm sure you will dare to accept my offer, because 10 negative tags is not problem for you, Because you don't care about signature campaigns. Only other people will you think is wrong if they join the signature campaign. The most important thing for you is to judge people

2. Please explain the meaning of this point. If I want to raise my rank immediately to sign up for a signature campaign, then I will support you and maybe many people will give me merit. What I did today is at risk of being tagged, so how can you accuse me of doing that? Please explain what logic are you using? But I'm not an anarchist so maybe I don't know if you explain about that
Maybe you can't make a thread to judge me because you don't have any proof. But if you still haven't studied law, of course you can create a judgment thread without attaching evidence and initial analysis.

So I opened a thread to judge myself. So you don't bother making threads. So please present your arguments for your accusations and attach the evidence. Remember this is a judgment thread so need to provide concrete evidence, not assumptions. You need to distinguish between what is discussion and what is judgment
So, I'm waiting for your reply about this and about the challenge that I gave.

Have a beautiful day

[DireWolfM14]

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~JollyGood

I don't see it. 

[PytagoraZ]

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~JollyGood

I don't see it.  

It seems you ignored him. That's good. Seriously I'm not lying  

If jolly wants to continue this matter and accept my challenge. I need help from 10 members of DT1 or DT2 to tagging him if the accusations are not proven. Maybe someone is willing to do it for me?

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Note : To anyone helping me it's not that you have a problem with jolly, just to help me for the challenge i gave him

[DireWolfM14]

If jolly wants to continue this matter and accept my challenge.

Don't hold your breath.  He ignores those who challenge him, he's been ignoring me for years.

[yahoo62278]

Because you are DT, So I challenge you, prove your accusations, if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power

Because you don't care about signature campaigns

Giving someone a neutral tag is not necessarily abusing DT power. He has not harmed your profile and has likely not hindered you from making money if you did apply to a sig campaign and got accepted. Do I agree with his tag? No, I wouldn't leave 1 like it even if I had the same thoughts about you, but he is him and I am me.

What I bolded is also an incorrect statement. If he didn't care about sig campaigns, he wouldn't be in 1.

[Timelord2067]

You got a *neutral* trust feedback from someone?



Please, keep talking...

[PytagoraZ]

Giving someone a neutral tag is not necessarily abusing DT power. He has not harmed your profile and has likely not hindered you from making money if you did apply to a sig campaign and got accepted. Do I agree with his tag? No, I wouldn't leave 1 like it even if I had the same thoughts about you, but he is him and I am me.

What I bolded is also an incorrect statement. If he didn't care about sig campaigns, he wouldn't be in 1.

Maybe now it doesn't matter. But if this tag remains 3 years later? I thought it would be bad for me. Because it's a tag from jolly so I responded, because I disagreed with him and I'm pretty sure he won't remove this tag if it's not responded

You got a *neutral* trust feedback from someone?

Please, keep talking...

I can't comment for you. You are very idealistic, what you are doing here (alt tagging) has no tendency for signature campaigns

[Timelord2067]

I am sure yahoo62278 would be the first to confirm I was in multiple signature campaigns on and off for about eighteen months.

Yahoo might even conceded that identifying alts is beneficial to campaign managers who enforce a "no alts can participate" policy in many of the campaigns. Even the now disgraced chipmixer campaign attempted to enforce participants from various regions of the world so again establishing whether there are alts in a campaign is crucial for campaign managers (just as an aside three high profile users were found to be alts in the chipmixer campaign simultaneously when it was paying out at it's most lucrative)

Having said that, a campaign manager would undoubtedly see the *neutral* and keep it in the back of their mind.  But, until you apply and are rejected and ask respectfully why you were rejected then told it was the neutral then this is all hypothetical conjecture at best.

[nutildah]

You got here less than a month ago yet you've spent a large amount of time concerned with the inner-workings of the forum, commenting on reputational matters and presenting arguments on complex forum issues there's no way a newbie could possibly have a decent understanding of. Also, 40% of your posts are in Meta and Reputation, which is highly unusual for a newbie.

From your post history, its pretty apparent you don't really care about bitcoin or cryptocurrency at all. Its not unique to see this forum as a source of income first and foremost (rather than a place to learn, contribute or interact on a social level), but I can see where JollyGood is coming from, even though I probably wouldn't leave a similar trust.

Regardless, its just a neutral tag and the way that its written would not impede your ability to join a signature campaign, granted a campaign manager sees your contributions as worthy.

[lovesmayfamilis]

It looks like the guy is too hot. I am also watching you, PytagoraZ.I can say that your task is to be visible on the forum (I'm too lazy to look for your words; I already spoke about this once). You manage to be visible, but your presence is too much in topics where, in theory, you should not be, if you speak about yourself as a newbie. Your task should be to study Bitcoin, not to "play" justice. Alternate accounts are not banned on the forum; apart from that, JollyGood has not pointed out any violations from you, even if you are someone's alt. Therefore, after three years, your tag will not affect anything.
But on my own, I can say that yes, I will do this: ~ PytagoraZ

[PytagoraZ]

~cut~

I can't comment on that, I don't know the signature campaign mechanism
Edit : Mwhat I mean is the hard work you put into alt tagging is awesome, especially you don't put campaign signature on your profile. What you do looks sincere

You got here less than a month ago yet you've spent a large amount of time concerned with the inner-workings of the forum, commenting on reputational matters and presenting arguments on complex forum issues there's no way a newbie could possibly have a decent understanding of. Also, 40% of your posts are in Meta and Reputation, which is highly unusual for a newbie.

From your post history, its pretty apparent you don't really care about bitcoin or cryptocurrency at all. Its not unique to see this forum as a source of income first and foremost (rather than a place to learn, contribute or interact on a social level), but I can see where JollyGood is coming from, even though I probably wouldn't leave a similar trust.

Regardless, its just a neutral tag and the way that its written would not impede your ability to join a signature campaign, granted a campaign manager sees your contributions as worthy.

So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum?

Other than the reputation threads there are no discussions, most members only reply once and they don't come back to see replies. There is no discussion going on in the thread other than reputation

In addition, new members are not considered in the discussion. Just like you who didn't answer my question in the rby case thread.

Yes maybe this tag is not very influential, But those accusations are bogus, I need to warn jolly, and he really likes to tag people based on assumptions. If this neutral tag turns red then my next step is: I'm crushed or he's crushed

I want to explain things with you, but the more I explain, the easier it will be for you to criticize me. Such a method of logical discussion exists in the concept of hermeneutics, but I forgot, I haven't read a book in a long time

It looks like the guy is too hot. I am also watching you, PytagoraZ.I can say that your task is to be visible on the forum (I'm too lazy to look for your words; I already spoke about this once). You manage to be visible, but your presence is too much in topics where, in theory, you should not be, if you speak about yourself as a newbie. Your task should be to study Bitcoin, not to "play" justice. Alternate accounts are not banned on the forum; apart from that, JollyGood has not pointed out any violations from you, even if you are someone's alt. Therefore, after three years, your tag will not affect anything.
But on my own, I can say that yes, I will do this: ~ PytagoraZ

alt? Still assuming without proof.

Yes... I need to criticize a few things, how is it possible for a judgment thread but no preliminary evidence? That's really surprising, and I think it's wrong and needs to be fixed. But Jolly doesn't consider me, because I'm just a junior member.

Though he need not worry, because I'm not a lawyer. But if he wants to defend himself I am prepared to re-read what I have read, and I think that is good in a discussion.
Note: I'm still waiting for jolly to answer this and bring evidence to his charge

[Igebotz]

So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum?

It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.

However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.

[YOSHIE]

I also pay attention to the talk of user @PytagoraZ, it seems that he interferes too much in people's topics, this newbie is strange to my judgement.

An example of his tal.
@nutildah spoke to @Poker Player, my assessment has nothing to do with @PytagoraZ, but he replied, As if he knew exactly what the problem was.

Does this have something to do with Royse? I saw a poker player thread with royse getting heated. Looks like you took it that way back

Another example, is he peacemaker here, obnoxious, many others in other posts attract the attention of other members by judging him Alt someone with other arguments.

I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence

We here have seen a lot of drama played by the members here, played by Alt at the end of the story.

@PytagoraZ, you are now dealing with @jollygood, my advice is for you to be more careful playing at Reputation.

Reputation hell, you can get burned.

[PytagoraZ]

It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.

However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.

Not too long, and I'm in a span of 1 month. Yes, the DT system was very confusing before I installed the BPIP extension.

Yes, I understand, and I'm not afraid of being slaughtered. Because I have nothing wrong here

I also pay attention to the talk of user @PytagoraZ, it seems that he interferes too much in people's topics, this newbie is strange to my judgement.

An example of his tal.
@nutildah spoke to @Poker Player, my assessment has nothing to do with @PytagoraZ, but he replied, As if he knew exactly what the problem was.

Does this have something to do with Royse? I saw a poker player thread with royse getting heated. Looks like you took it that way back

Yes, I read thread the battle of poker player and royse. That's quite interesting. but the thread was immediately locked

Another example, is he peacemaker here, obnoxious, many others in other posts attract the attention of other members by judging him Alt someone with other arguments.

I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence

Isn't that the way it should be? The judgment thread is not a discussion thread, it needs to be distinguished and I think everyone knows that accusing someone must have evidence. That's what Jolly doesn't do

Reputation hell, you can get burned.

"You can torture us, and bomb us, and burn our districts to the ground. But do you see that? Fire is catching. and if we burn, you burn with us!"
katniss everdeen ~ mockingjay

[Plaguedeath]

I think people should stop to explain and pointing out why JollyGood give a neutral tag to @OP because that's a way for @OP to learn and trying to become an average newbie. Example many people have said average newbie would discuss in Bitcoin and altcoins section rather than discuss in Meta and Reputation section. Yep, he might shift to Bitcoin and altcoins section or create new alt account.

Now @OP is demanding a 100% proof to prove if he's an alt account which is impossible since he know no one can post the proof.

[DaveF]

There is the saying better 10 guilty people go free then 1 innocent goes to jail.
Here their is no jail. So things can be a bit harsher.

Lets face if a neutral tag does very little, if any, harm

Will it keep you out of signature campaigns? Probably not.

If you want to trade with people will it make them more likely to use an escrow? Probably not, since you no trades / sales or anything else to most people trading you have no reputation for that so they would want to use an escrow anyway.

Having 150 posts, which comes out to 5 a day and creating this thread makes you look more guilty then the neutral tag. That is a lot of time and effort to put in for a new user.
Creating this thread will make people question what you are doing here more. And there are a lot more people who now are going to be paying attention.

-Dave

[Bitcoin_Arena]

To some people, attention and drama (Reputation board drama) is like an addictive drug. They can't do without it. When the drug (drama) dies down, they look for all ways of creating some more, just to quench their addiction.

You seem to be leaning to that category of people, and I am not surprised things are as they stand right now. Not all members in this forum behave the same way. Some treat this forum as a side community to hang around, discuss Bitcoin and crypto, do business, get trading ideas, others use it as a place to express what they have failed to do in real life. To them, this digital forum is everything. Take that away or mess up with their ego and there will be a problem.

You remember when I replied this after the awkward remark you made here?

OMG.... Looks like a lot of people are starting to see me. That is dangerous. How can you do that? Please teach me

Wkwkwkw.... The reputation thread is currently interesting on the rby case. I was quite interested in it.. until I forgot what time it was

I knew it was just a matter of time, but since you enjoy attention, have fun and I officially welcome you to Bitcointalk!

[nutildah]

So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum?

OK, well, since you ask, probably 1-2 years minimum. And the wording you use and the subjects you choose to engage in suggest you have been around here for at least that long. I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way. Even just a week into your account, people were saying stuff like this about you, in a thread you opened titled "I'm a newbie" lol:

Looking at your profile and your post history, I no longer consider you a newbie, especially for someone who drops a comment and posts like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253221.msg62387639#msg62387639.

On your third day you made a table pointing to threads in your local section, half of them having to do with how to get merits. Your third day! If you want us to believe you're some kind of prodigy then you'll have to live with the skepticism you're going to receive.

This isn't your average forum. I've seen people do all sorts of crazy things here over the years in an attempt to manipulate others to make money: open 100+ accounts, come up with crazy stories about why they lost money trusted with them, rabid insults, suicide threats, death threats, smear campaigns, attempts to get law enforcement to take action against posters they didn't like, etc... So if somebody has a wild or weird story to tell that serves to enhance or preserve their account's reputation, sorry but my default opinion is they are lying.

I have learned about merit and activity systems. I have a goal to gain merit and activity at the same time. I learned a lot at the local board. Many members say that beginners don't need to think about merit, but I think it has to go together. I need to be able to progress quickly in this forum.

See you in 5 years, I'll be a member

If it takes you 5 years to rank up then you are not putting enough effort in....

I'm not in a rush so I'm quite enjoying the time with the 5 years I have  

I dunno man. Just seems like you'll do or say anything to make a mark here.

This is gonna sound crazy to you but when I came here I didn't care about any of this shit. I was just doing a lot of reading and learning as much as I could about bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general. I found it truly fascinating. I registered in April 2014 but didn't join my first signature campaign until 2018 or 2019.

I'm glad I pursued knowledge at the beginning because I used it to participate and build in a few early projects, the fruits of which have amassed me considerable more wealth than sig campaigns ever could. The point is if more people used the forum as an educational resource, they could probably figure out ways to improve their quality of life much more dramatically than sig campaigns will.

[Igebotz]

It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.

However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.

Not too long, and I'm in a span of 1 month. Yes, the DT system was very confusing before I installed the BPIP extension.

Yes, I understand, and I'm not afraid of being slaughtered. Because I have nothing wrong here

You may have good intentions, and you may be good with words, but starting your journey trying to correct the DT system may get you swallowed because many DT dislike being corrected or questioned.

You are not a newbie, and you do not act like one.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253221.msg62387639#msg62387639 - Keep up the begging and soon you will be in a campaign!  

Maybe its your first time here, maybe not? But to be honest who cares? Do whatever works for you as long you don't break any rules.