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July 06, 2023, 03:22:25 PM
Last edit: July 06, 2023, 03:40:42 PM by PytagoraZ
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Having 150 posts, which comes out to 5 a day and creating this thread makes you look more guilty then the neutral tag. That is a lot of time and effort to put in for a new user.
Creating this thread will make people question what you are doing here more. And there are a lot more people who now are going to be paying attention.

-Dave


Thanks dave

But, what mistake do you mean? I'm just surprised, most members accuse me of being alt, I know that's just an assumption but why doesn't anyone think that if I'm alt why do I dare to make a thread here and oppose DT? I think if people make mistakes they will be afraid, it's human nature

To some people, attention and drama (Reputation board drama) is like an addictive drug. They can't do without it. When the drug (drama) dies down, they look for all ways of creating some more, just to quench their addiction.

hahaha….am I addicted? I dunno, I just like to discusion. You know that I use this forum until 3 am.. I lost track of time. Maybe that's what makes people think I learn too fast

But let them see me and judge me, that's their right. But assumptions still can't be proof, let alone giving a tag

~I cut it because it's too long~

You always have a good analytical framework. I admit it. And I thank you for the time you have dedicated to looking at my history. You must have found my post explaining that bitcointalk is not my first forum, I have attended several discussion forums, so understanding this forum is not too difficult

I also might agree that you are the learner type. Your analysis shows that there is capability. Yes...if I don't find a reputation thread, maybe I'll be skeptical because the discussion in other threads doesn't work, they only reply once, after that they don't come back.

Would you accuse me of being alt even more if I had read about cyberpunk? Yes.. I've tried to learn it several times, but I don't really understand it yet

You may have good intentions, and you may be good with words, but starting your journey trying to correct the DT system may get you swallowed because many DT dislike being corrected or questioned.

You are not a newbie, and you do not act like one.

Well, it seems you are right. They don't like being corrected, especially by members who have low rank. Little do I remember what the ancient Greek philosopher said, giving a correction to people who feel they are the smartest will be more difficult than teaching people to smart.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253221.msg62387639#msg62387639 - Keep up the begging and soon you will be in a campaign!  Smiley

Of course its not the first time you are here with this account, its obvious but to be honest who cares.. do whatever works for you.  Smiley

What are you doing here? You already have 154 activities, only have 20 merit?

I give tips on "how to learn easily". If you need merits, click on someone's merits, see where he gets merits, learn and you can easily earn merit.

Honestly, I'm wondering, am I the one learning too fast or are they learning too slow?

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July 06, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
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if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power
That's not how the Trust system is supposed to be used. If you don't value someone's Trust feedback, exclude them from your Trust list.



After quickly checking your post history, I agree with the comments that you seem to care more about the forum's inner workings than about Bitcoin. That's totally fine, but indeed makes you look like someone's alt account. I wouldn't leave neutral feedback for that, but I don't mind either.

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July 06, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
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if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power
That's not how the Trust system is supposed to be used. If you don't value someone's Trust feedback, exclude them from your Trust list.



After quickly checking your post history, I agree with the comments that you seem to care more about the forum's inner workings than about Bitcoin. That's totally fine, but indeed makes you look like someone's alt account. I wouldn't leave neutral feedback for that, but I don't mind either.

Hahaha... the person who created the thread about studying trust systems is here. Yes.. I read your writing, quite a lot.

In that thread you write that a neutral tag is not something negative, but it can be a consideration whether the account is trustworthy or not. if my tags survive 3 years later, people who don't know about it won't believe me.

At first I didn't know Jolly was tagging me, because I added it to the untrusted list. But I felt like he tagged me, so I deleted my list, and I just found out about it today.

welcome to the community of people who believe i am alt  Cheesy

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July 06, 2023, 04:24:56 PM
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You may have good intentions, and you may be good with words, but starting your journey trying to correct the DT system may get you swallowed because many DT dislike being corrected or questioned.

You are not a newbie, and you do not act like one.

Well, it seems you are right. They don't like being corrected, especially by members who have low rank. Little do I remember what the ancient Greek philosopher said, giving a correction to people who feel they are the smartest will be more difficult than teaching people to smart.

Yeah, especially from someone who made an alt a month ago, lied about being a newbie, and got into an argument with old members on the DT matters

welcome to the community of people who believe i am alt  Cheesy

The more you lie about it in order to fool everyone, the more likely you are to drop a hint as to who is behind your account. I have a name in mind, but I'm not the type of DT that looks into account history anymore; I'm more concerned with those who break the rules.  Cool

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July 06, 2023, 04:29:41 PM
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Hahaha... the person who created the thread about studying trust systems is here. Yes.. I read your writing, quite a lot.

In that thread you write that a neutral tag is not something negative, but it can be a consideration whether the account is trustworthy or not. if my tags survive 3 years later, people who don't know about it won't believe me.

At first I didn't know Jolly was tagging me, because I added it to the untrusted list. But I felt like he tagged me, so I deleted my list, and I just found out about it today.

welcome to the community of people who believe i am alt  Cheesy


Now you are starting to behave pathetically. A lot of members told you, here I am too, a neutral tag is not a judgment, nor does it necessarily mean that you will be viewed negatively. Certainly not a reason to start a drama about it.
If in three years, that is the only tag on your account, you certainly won't have to worry about whether someone will believe you.

However, you react a bit aggressively to every reply here, which otherwise reminds me of some earlier trolls here, and this all adds to the claim that you are still not a complete beginner on this forum. In addition to the history of your posts, it is obvious that in less than a month you have learned in detail some details of the forum, which many members have not for a much longer period.

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July 06, 2023, 04:30:35 PM
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At first I didn't know Jolly was tagging me, because I added it to the untrusted list. But I felt like he tagged me, so I deleted my list, and I just found out about it today.

No need in deleting entire trust list or anyone from it. Even if anyone is distrusted by you, you can see all Untrusted feedback, just tap a link "Show ratings".

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These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.

Show ratings.

And there's another hint also.

You can view any page as if you were using the default trust settings by putting ;dt at the end of the URL. Eg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35;dt

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I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign
Be happy he didn't gave you negative feedback, because it took a long time for him to stop being easy on trigger like that, and there is nothing wrong with neutral feedback.

Just to make things clear, I don't trust what you say also, there are so many liars in this forum that I am suspecting everyone can be a cheater.

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July 06, 2023, 06:56:28 PM
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Having 150 posts, which comes out to 5 a day and creating this thread makes you look more guilty then the neutral tag. That is a lot of time and effort to put in for a new user.
Creating this thread will make people question what you are doing here more. And there are a lot more people who now are going to be paying attention.

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Thanks dave

But, what mistake do you mean? I'm just surprised, most members accuse me of being alt, I know that's just an assumption but why doesn't anyone think that if I'm alt why do I dare to make a thread here and oppose DT? I think if people make mistakes they will be afraid, it's human nature


Not a mistake. But, you go to the Honda Accord forum to talk about your car, you go to the CanAm Ryker forum to talk about your trike. You go to the Bitcoin forum to talk about Bitcoin.
I don't read Indonesian so I have no idea what you are talking about there, but you have very few posts talking about BTC

Take a step back and look at it from the point of view of someone else. You have an order of magnitude more posts about the forum then what the forum is about.

Spend some more time talking about BTC and less time talking about bitciontalk and people will forget this entire post.

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I wouldn't leave neutral feedback for that, but I don't mind either.

You should mind.  Yes, this is obviously a "fake newbie," (as suchmoon would say,) but there's far more unfounded speculation in the feedback than just the obvious.

That neutral tag JollyGood left is a retaliatory feedback, and was only left there because the OP had the audacity to challenge JG during his most recent crusade against another user.  That's why he felt the need to speculate about alleged alt-farming and other intentions.  Does anyone believe that JG would have left that tag if the newbie had jumped on the Bash rby Bandwagon instead of challenge the effort?

When JG gets his panties in a twist he starts an advertising campaign, creating multiple threads, spamming his opinion in every thread touching on the subject of his vendetta, and trying to get as many people on his side as possible.  Typical tactics for one who lacks confidence in his convictions.  He's obviously abusing his position as DT and has been for years.  He has no more business being on DT than Derek Chauvin has being a cop.

The trouble here is the OP fell right into his trap.  By creating this thread he's done nothing but bring attention to JollyGood's latest subject of scorn (i.e. himself.)  Now all those who have JG in their trust inclusions have to chime in on this thread, but all they have to say is "yup, that's a fake newbie," just to justify having JG included.

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do you think newbies are clueless?
I didn't look into the reason why JollyGood thinks you might be an alt account because you have more knowledge of the forum than a newcomer would, but as to your question above:  in general, newbies are clueless about what's happening on the forum, not necessarily about bitcoin.  Unless you were a lurker prior to registering, why would you be familiar with anything related to the forum?  And even then, you'd have to have been a lurker for a long time just to get a sense of bitcointalk's politics and history, and frankly I don't think many people lurk here and just read before they become members and start posting.  That might have happened in the past (as with me in 2014-15) but it's become much rarer.

Be happy he didn't gave you negative feedback, because it took a long time for him to stop being easy on trigger like that, and there is nothing wrong with neutral feedback.
Plus OP didn't seem to have a problem leaving a neutral for Not your key not your BTC for an even more frivolous reason than JollyGood's, so I'd say he's somewhat of a hypocrite in addition to perhaps being a blatant, money-grubbing, fucking liar.

I doubt you're going to get much support, OP.  You haven't earned respect from the community plus your argument is weak anyway.  Suck it up like a flowery buttercup and earn a reputation--assuming this account isn't a second or third attempt at doing so after a previous alt got busted by the community for something or for getting banned.  Y'all have a nice day, now.

Edit:  Thanks to DireWolfM14 for picking up a potential miscommunication faster than a hummingbird.
Edit2: Fixed some idiotic typing mistake.  My how my fingers have fucked me o'er the years.

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I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign

So, last week you complained about someone calling you a kid (on a public discussion platform), now you're complaining about neutral feedback. What's next?


Be happy he didn't gave you negative feedback, because it took a long time for him to stop being easy on trigger like that, and there is nothing wrong with neutral feedback.

Just to make things clear, I don't trust what you say also, there are so many liars in this forum that I am suspecting everyone can be a cheater.

To be honest, I wouldn't even mind seeing a negative tag in this case. It would just make it easier for me to spot and deal with his posts. I know it wouldn't be right thing to do, but I have a strong gut feeling about this one, and it's making me quite uneasy.

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I doubt you're going to get much support, OP.  You haven't earned respect from the community plus your argument is weak anyway.
Of course - especially if the quote below is the basic motive.

Honestly I also want to be a DT someday, you guys are cool.

I also really want to say that the OP is too hasty to build his reputation which is basically still quite worthy of being called a child of his account age. He deals a lot with other people's reputations when he admits he's still begginer rank - that's the best bullshit I've ever heard from begginer like him.

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Honestly I also want to be a DT someday, you guys are cool.

I also really want to say that the OP is too hasty to build his reputation which is basically still quite worthy of being called a child of his account age. He deals a lot with other people's reputations when he admits he's still begginer rank - that's the best bullshit I've ever heard from begginer like him.

There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why? I understand the op is attempting to suck his way into the DT system, but if I were him, I would focus on becoming a better member. I know the op was busted in his previous account, and he's doing the same thing now, drawing needless attention to himself. The more popular you are in this community, the more likely you are to get into trouble.

Op it's time to lock this thread; it's not helping....

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There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why?
Yes - I know that's fine, but I tend to expect it to be unhurried. The OP is different - his way has led several users to speculate about his account and motives and of course it's not going to help him.

I don't really want to speculate on that either - but I guess by now the OP has been on some DT distrust lists [~PytagoraZ] because of the way he responded to some advice.

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There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why?
Yes - I know that's fine, but I tend to expect it to be unhurried. The OP is different - his way has led several users to speculate about his account and motives and of course it's not going to help him.

I don't really want to speculate on that either - but I guess by now the OP has been on some DT distrust lists [~PytagoraZ] because of the way he responded to some advice.

You were aware of his plans prior to now. But it's not too late for him. He ignored your advise and became embroiled in unnecessary controversy.

PytagoraZ - don't rush it, you should enjoy it and learn more about bitcoin instead of worrying so much about drama in this forum. The play isn't going to improve your bitcoin knowledge and experience in crypto - it's just another part of forum life.

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The more you lie about it in order to fool everyone, the more likely you are to drop a hint as to who is behind your account. I have a name in mind, but I'm not the type of DT that looks into account history anymore; I'm more concerned with those who break the rules.  Cool

Don't tell me that what you think of me will be associated with an rby, or naim account. This will be a new drama

However, you react a bit aggressively to every reply here, which otherwise reminds me of some earlier trolls here, and this all adds to the claim that you are still not a complete beginner on this forum. In addition to the history of your posts, it is obvious that in less than a month you have learned in detail some details of the forum, which many members have not for a much longer period.


Well, maybe I shouldn't be fighting a lord here. Very different from other explanations which say that all members are the same. That's a lie, there are other forces that don't want to be disturbed and don't want to be criticized.

Maybe I realized too late that everyone here should only be interested in bitcoins. They should not be interested in anything else, nor should they be interested in learning anything else

You should mind.  Yes, this is obviously a "fake newbie," (as suchmoon would say,) but there's far more unfounded speculation in the feedback than just the obvious.

That neutral tag JollyGood left is a retaliatory feedback, and was only left there because the OP had the audacity to challenge JG during his most recent crusade against another user.  That's why he felt the need to speculate about alleged alt-farming and other intentions.  Does anyone believe that JG would have left that tag if the newbie had jumped on the Bash rby Bandwagon instead of challenge the effort?

When JG gets his panties in a twist he starts an advertising campaign, creating multiple threads, spamming his opinion in every thread touching on the subject of his vendetta, and trying to get as many people on his side as possible.  Typical tactics for one who lacks confidence in his convictions.  He's obviously abusing his position as DT and has been for years.  He has no more business being on DT than Derek Chauvin has being a cop.

The trouble here is the OP fell right into his trap.  By creating this thread he's done nothing but bring attention to JollyGood's latest subject of scorn (i.e. himself.)  Now all those who have JG in their trust inclusions have to chime in on this thread, but all they have to say is "yup, that's a fake newbie," just to justify having JG included.

But it's also useless if indeed he is considered to have abused the power of DT but no one dares to fight him. Just like him who didn't dare to tag yahoo and nutildah, who in another thread admitted that he had been involved in buying and selling accounts. Jolly only dares to new members or people who have no influence. I also know Jolly has influence so even though she flags people on assumptions, no one dares to go against her.

In a theory it is also explained that someone who has power does not want his position and power to be sued, he will use all his power and position to keep his power and position safe.

Yes you are right, maybe jolly cheers because without him coming here already many support him. Yet I remains consistent that tagging someone solely on assumptions is a mistake, and tagging a series of judgments without providing preliminary evidence is also a mistake. Even though I don't care about the results of that judgments... because everything is just an assumption...

I didn't look into the reason why JollyGood thinks you might be an alt account because you have more knowledge of the forum than a newcomer would, but as to you question above:  in general, newbies are clueless about what's happening on the forum, not necessarily about bitcoin.  Unless you were a lurker prior to registering, why would you be familiar with anything related to the forum?  And even then, you'd have to have been a lurker for a long time just to get a sense of bitcointalk's politics and history, and frankly I don't think many people lurk here and just read before they become members and start posting.  That might have happened in the past (as with me in 2014-15) but it's become much rarer.

i didn't spy on forums before i signed up. But my mistake maybe I was interested in the board's reputation, forcing me to read too much about the rules of this forum. I didn't find the discussion interesting for another discussion. I'm familiar with bitcoin because I've played airdrop before being told about this forum. The discussions that I try to make also always fail, they are not interesting

So, last week you complained about someone calling you a kid (on a public discussion platform), now you're complaining about neutral feedback. What's next?

Do you mean I can't complain about the tags provided by DT? even though the tag is wrong? or is there really a rule that it is forbidden to complain to DT?

There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why? I understand the op is attempting to suck his way into the DT system, but if I were him, I would focus on becoming a better member. I know the op was busted in his previous account, and he's doing the same thing now, drawing needless attention to himself. The more popular you are in this community, the more likely you are to get into trouble.

Op it's time to lock this thread; it's not helping....

yes, i didn't expect jolly to get so much support. Though I'm pretty sure that what he does isn't always right. And like in other threads, people are busy finding fault with me, accusing me of being alt, accusing me of breaking rules on other accounts, or maybe I'll be linked with rby or naim. But that's an assumption. But I know that no one can prove it, even so no one will be satisfied if they haven't found fault with me. But everyone here isn't looking for or judging jolly faults, isn't that discriminatory? or is there a statement that old members will always be right, and new members will always be wrong?

Yes.. since last night I thought about closing this thread. But if i close it does that mean i lost and jolly won?

Yes - I know that's fine, but I tend to expect it to be unhurried. The OP is different - his way has led several users to speculate about his account and motives and of course it's not going to help him.

I don't really want to speculate on that either - but I guess by now the OP has been on some DT distrust lists [~PytagoraZ] because of the way he responded to some advice.

Yes I know that what I do will make many people judge me. But no one thought that if that person had any faults then he wouldn't dare to open a thread here

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Yes.. since last night I thought about closing this thread. But if i close it does that mean i lost and jolly won?
Then just close it for fuck's sake.  It won't mean either of those things, because within about two hours no one will even remember this argument and if you keep relatively quiet, in about a month people will forget where why your username sounds familiar should they come across it for whatever reason.

Seriously, you're ascribing to yourself far too much importance than is justified.

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July 07, 2023, 05:42:33 AM
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Yes.. since last night I thought about closing this thread. But if i close it does that mean i lost and jolly won?
Then just close it for fuck's sake.  It won't mean either of those things, because within about two hours no one will even remember this argument and if you keep relatively quiet, in about a month people will forget where why your username sounds familiar should they come across it for whatever reason.

Seriously, you're ascribing to yourself far too much importance than is justified.

All right, all right... for some reason, I'll listen to what you have to say.

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