Game Winner Result Changed After 24 hours (Defaulted)

[GreatArkansas]

This is from eSport Dota 2 game that happened 24 hours ago.

Though no official reason was given, BetBoom’s Ivan “Pure” Moskalenko was found out to be alt-tabbing during a paused game, pulling up another stream — reportedly Aleksandr “Nix” Levin’s, who was broadcasting the Bali Major.

- Read more here

BetBoom Vs Tundra = Winner yesterday is Betboom
After 24 hours, they defaulted to a loss for Betboom.

I think the reason is one of the players of BetBoom was caught cheating, but the game already settled in most gambling platforms.

My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?

I can see there are some platforms that already deducted the winning of some person from their balance.

[bitbollo]

this information is reported in the relative TOS of the individual gambling sites.
of course mostly, if not all gambling sites will have the most compliant terms with their interests...

when this happens in traditional sports (and traditional bookmakers) the funds are withdrawn from the accounts or basically frozen the account.

In case they suspect that a user has defrauded (and was therefore aware of the fraud) they can also proceed with legal action. with crypto bookmaker it's something different, but in case funds are not withdrawn they can just seize ...

[GreatArkansas]

I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?

I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.

[Yogee]

I took Rollbit's terms and conditions that applies to this case:

3.5. The winner of an event will be determined on the date of the event’s conclusion. Sportsbook platform does not recognize protests or overturned decisions for betting purposes. The settlement of an event suspended after the start of the competition will be decided according to the betting rules specified for that sport by Sportsbook platform

The above rule is like a double-edge sword as it could cause losses to either bookie or gambler. Rollbit will just take the losses in case they paid more to those who bet on Betloom and those gamblers who bet on Tundra can't do anything about this since it's clearly stated in the betting rules.

[swogerino]

That is something unique which happens very little times and each of the casinos have they own terms and conditions,usually when the result changes the odds default to 1 and I don't know what happens if people have already withdrawn that amount,it means then that they should be in negative in order to repay to the casino the due owned amount.

I have a game pending from the USA MLS which was interrupted yesterday night with European time and the game has not been played again,yet I still have that ticket active,meaning the bookmaker is waiting for the game to be replayed and see the result,it is the only game missing,I have won all others.

[Oshosondy]

In football, I remember there were few matches like that. I remember one in the past that the winner was later said to be the loser. What I thought was that the bet has been decided when immediately the match finished and nothing will alter that. We have different gambling sites with some changes in their terms of service, maybe some gambling site may include it that if the match was later cancelled and to be replayed if the loser was later declared the winner, that they will deducted the money from their customers and settle people thought to be the loser, but I do not think that is how it works on gambling sites. Once a match is finished, the bet is settled without exception. If the match result is later altered after the match has finished, non of the gambling site business.

[iv4n]

I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?

I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.

Interesting situation... imagine having a "negative balance" in some casino?!

I took Rollbit's terms and conditions that applies to this case:

3.5. The winner of an event will be determined on the date of the event’s conclusion. Sportsbook platform does not recognize protests or overturned decisions for betting purposes. The settlement of an event suspended after the start of the competition will be decided according to the betting rules specified for that sport by Sportsbook platform

The above rule is like a double-edge sword as it could cause losses to either bookie or gambler. Rollbit will just take the losses in case they paid more to those who bet on Betloom and those gamblers who bet on Tundra can't do anything about this since it's clearly stated in the betting rules.

I guess it would be better for a casino to take the losses, at least players will stay on the platform and continue to gamble... if a casino deducts the winnings and some players have a negative balance they will just move to some other casino.

[SmartGold01]

My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?

Cheating is cheating and if they found one of the player cheating then is a enough reason revert the winning to the loser while the winner to be the loser. But at this point since most of the gambling platform already settled the game to be winning it would be a very difficult task to revert maybe they has a way to re-align it in other to give the loser the winning and gives the winner lose.

[Gozie51]

This is rather complicated and could make a casino lose their customers if not properly handled. In a case where a football game has been settled and the cash out showed up in a player's account and he withdraws only to find out that the game went through some panel either because of some bad officiating and irregularities then rematch was order and it happens that the winner became the loser whilst the casino had already paid out profit based on the old decision whereas the bettor had already withdrawn his winning, is a serious issue. If this was written on the ToS then the casino have to do the needful to pay the second winner but depending on how much winning the first winner may not return to the casino if it is a very big win.

[Sanitough]

This does not happen all the time. In such situations, gambling sites typically rectify the mistake by correcting the payments. If there are gamblers who were mistakenly paid, the site will deduct the excess amount from their balance, while those who lost will be paid their winnings. However, this can be a critical issue because some gamblers who have already withdrawn their winnings might not be willing to deposit more funds if they know their balance will be deducted. In such cases, I believe the gambling site will bear the losses as they are responsible for paying the winners.

[masulum]

I'm not sure what the casino will be in making a decision about this. However, it looks like the payout will be given some time after the winner of the match results is known. if there is a change in results due to situations, it seems that it is no longer the responsibility of the casino, because the results have already been published and the payout has been given. If the casino had to pay based on the 2nd result, surely they would pay using their own money, and this sort of thing is not possible. The only way is to withdraw the balance that was sent to the winner on the 1st decision and sent it to the winner on the 2nd decision.

[baba2020]

Anyone knows if BC Casino should change results? I was a Tundra Bettor and i loss but after ALL that incident I opened a disputes but I dont know If I can win

[Casdinyard]

This is from eSport Dota 2 game that happened 24 hours ago.

Though no official reason was given, BetBoom’s Ivan “Pure” Moskalenko was found out to be alt-tabbing during a paused game, pulling up another stream — reportedly Aleksandr “Nix” Levin’s, who was broadcasting the Bali Major.

- Read more here

BetBoom Vs Tundra = Winner yesterday is Betboom
After 24 hours, they defaulted to a loss for Betboom.

I think the reason is one of the players of BetBoom was caught cheating, but the game already settled in most gambling platforms.

My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?

I can see there are some platforms that already deducted the winning of some person from their balance.

The most logical path here is to just get it on with, and refund the wins of the players who made a bet to Betboom and give it to Tundra, although of course, there would be issues that would come around considering that they already made the bet. I'm not sure as to what would happen or what other casinos would do in this type of situation, but I'm guessing it's either of these two choices:

1. They give both parties the win, in which case everyone would be happy but the casino would suffer immediate losses which they can probably gain anyway in a day or two, a whole week if they are unlucky.
2. They don't do anything and carry on with their lives, in that case people will definitely bang on their door to do something especially those who made bets to Tundra since they deserve the win in a sense.

Among these choices the best one would be the former, except for the temporary losses they could recuperate anyway especially if they are a reputable casino, this act of honesty and integrity could paint them in a great light to gamblers, resulting to more revenue for them as these people will surely recommend the casino to their peers.

[Yogee]

Anyone knows if BC Casino should change results? I was a Tundra Bettor and i loss but after ALL that incident I opened a disputes but I dont know If I can win

If they haven't made any changes to your bet and balance until now then I guess that means it's already final. You can still wait for their reply but it doesn't look like you're going to win your dispute if we're going to based it on their betting rules.

https://bc.game/help/terms-sports

3.5 The winner of an event will be determined on the date of the event’s conclusion. Sportsbook platform does not recognize protested or overturned decisions for betting purposes. The settlement of an event suspended after the start of the competition will be decided according to the betting rules specified for that sport by Sportsbook platform

Their position is similar to Rollbit.

[danherbias07]

This will be a hard task for the gambling platform themselves but they have to be fair to those who actually won the game after the news.

Another solution is just voiding all the bets on that game. If some gamblers are already paid for their winning ticket then just take back whatever the gambling platform gave them and give back their betting amount. I mean, it will also not be fair for them because they also thought they already won it.
But this is more of a heartache for those who lost the bet but after 24 hours will know they should actually be in profit. Will they accept a "voided" result instead? I will. As long as I get my money back. That's better than a loss and I will not even fight telling it should be a win. I'm satisfied with just the money I bet to be sent back to me.

[baba2020]

That rule is for late changes but in that case results were changes hours after the game ended.

I Will try to talk with them...thanks for the reply

[Zlantann]

I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?

I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.

That is the main problem. The terms of service will be the best document to settle this controversy. But if the ToS is silent in this matter, there should be a place for compromise, maybe the new and old winners should accept half payments. But if the first winner has absconded, the casino and the new winners would have to find a common ground to settle this issue. The first winner can just withdraw his funds and stop visiting the casino if he is asked to refund the win. Most reputable casinos will devise a way to settle this issue but others might find it difficult to handle it. Some casinos pay 24 hours after a win. This clause would have limited the consequences of this change of result.

[retreat]

My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?

I think cases like this happen very rarely and if it does it usually depends on the TOS on the gambling platform. There are gambling platforms that give refunds to their users, some still maintain the results of the previous match, even if the results change in the end. Because losses will certainly be experienced by both parties, whether it's the gambling platform or the user. If the gambling platform returns, they will definitely make payments twice, which could make them lose. Or if they keep their previous results, maybe they have nothing to lose but will receive protests from users and users may be reluctant to play again on that platform. So cases like this will usually be troublesome for gambling platforms.

[baba2020]

Stake.com voided the bet . That would be followed by all other decent sportsbooks

[Eternad]

I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?

I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.

Bets is settled based on the initial official result or the game will be void but most of the time the initial result will govern especially if the bet is already settled before the overturning of the new result.

This is still case to case basis but most of the time my explanation above governed because I experience same scenario like this and I still keep my profit despite my bet result was supposed to be lose based on new result.