Boxing: Anthony Joshua vs Robert Helenius (replacement)

[inthelongrun]

Robert Helenius is officially now the new opponent of Anthony Joshua this weekend. The 39-year-old Helenius just won a fight a few days ago in his native Finland. That was his return bout after losing a first-round knockout against Deontay Wilder.

A rematch is coming between former unified champion Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte this coming August 12 at the O2 Arena in the UK. Both fighters are rebuilding but the winner might get an eliminator or even a title shot. Whyte was KO'd by Tyson Fury last year for the WBC belt while AJ has a back-to-back defeat at the hands of unified champion Oleksandr Usyk.    

AJ will remain a favorite in this fight but we better not count out Whyte. AJ is a completely changed fighter which is something Whyte can capitalize on. If AJ continues to try to box, not letting his hands go and Whyte is well-conditioned conditioned for a full fight then it will be a very exciting one. AJ might also get his confidence back knowing he already TKO'd Whyte when both of them are still unbeaten.

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[coin-investor]

Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.
Joshua's career is on its way to oblivion if he losses this match, there is no fourth chance anymore Whyte can spoil Joshua's much-needed comeback.
Boxing fans whether they are fans or they are not fans of both boxers will have an interest in this fight because its a battle of who will stay and who will go.

[Distinctin]

This is a good opportunity for Dillian Whyte, as Anthony Joshua has already experienced losses in his career, and he may not be the same fighter he was when he was undefeated. While Dillian Whyte may still be considered the underdog, I am willing to take chances and perhaps even bet on him to level the rivalry. It's possible that we may witness a trilogy for this fight.

[aioc]

Dillian Whyte should have retired and yet here he is fighting Joshua because Joshua's manager Hearns thinks Whyte is a fighter, worth fighting for a rebound because Joshua has already beaten him, people think this is not the kind of fight worth in a PPV because both fighters do have the same reputation they once held.

For me, this is a good fight to watch, a match where both fighters struggle to get back on top is worth watching, retirement is looming on both fighters whoever loses here that's the end of the line for him, I just feel sorry for Joshua he still young and if he losses here he may not see a Fury or a Wilder fight that we hoped happen a few years ago.

[Ziskinberg]

Here are some of the important information we need to know about the fight.

When is Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte 2?
Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte will meet on Saturday 12th August 2023.

The main card is expected to start at 7pm, with ring walks for the main fight scheduled for 10pm (both UK time).

Where is Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte 2 taking place?
London's 20,000-capacity O2 Arena will host the fight, which was the same venue used for their first fight eight years ago.

Tickets for the rematch are set to go on general sale on Monday 10th July.

Where Can I Watch Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte 2?
Sports streaming platform DAZN have the rights for the rematch between Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte, which will be shown on DAZN PPV.

How much will Anthony Joshua vs Dillian Whyte 2 cost on Pay Per View?
As mentioned, the fight will be shown on DAZN, with UK and Ireland viewers charged £26.99 on DAZN PPV.

Very affordable for a PPV price. Though the betting odds are not yet out, I'm expecting that Anthony Joshu would be the heavy favorite since he is the younger boxer and had accomplish more compared to Dillian Whyte who are supposed to retire according to one of our posters here.

[cabron]

Dillian Whyte should have retired and yet here he is fighting Joshua because Joshua's manager Hearns thinks Whyte is a fighter, worth fighting for a rebound because Joshua has already beaten him, people think this is not the kind of fight worth in a PPV because both fighters do have the same reputation they once held.

For me, this is a good fight to watch, a match where both fighters struggle to get back on top is worth watching, retirement is looming on both fighters whoever loses here that's the end of the line for him, I just feel sorry for Joshua he still young and if he losses here he may not see a Fury or a Wilder fight that we hoped happen a few years ago.

They are worth watching but people are probably right as well about not worth PPV. Fans are cruel. After a few losses, fans will just look at them as just big blokes.
Looks like an exhibition fight but they are reviving the old quarrel between the two, while there are no other boxers stepping up after all they did not retire yet.

AJmight still win for the second time. It's just nothing else after that unless Usyk will still give him another fight.  It will not be surprising if both announce their retirement after the fight.

[Shamm]

This is a good opportunity for Dillian Whyte, as Anthony Joshua has already experienced losses in his career, and he may not be the same fighter he was when he was undefeated. While Dillian Whyte may still be considered the underdog, I am willing to take chances and perhaps even bet on him to level the rivalry. It's possible that we may witness a trilogy for this fight.

Both fighters are good this is worthy to watch as we all known that both fighter will give us a good and cleaned fight. About this matchup even though they have a good advantages in different aspects then one thing for sure only one will survive. Maybe the hungry one or the revenge one. Because this is their second fight which is we are all known that the underdog will want to prove who he is.

[Bananington]

Because this is their second fight which is we are all known that the underdog will want to prove who he is.

There will be more pressure now on Anthony Joshua to win the fight since his fight with Deontay Wilder, the fight we have all wanted to see will happen in December if Anthony Joshua is able to defeat Dillian Whyte, but if he does not win the fight, then the fight with Wilder will not happen. Anthony Joshua knows how dangerous Whyte can be, but he wanted something challenging before agreeing to this fight, so he will be prepared to give it his best and win it like he did before, if not by KO, by Unanimous decision.
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[btc_angela]

Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.
Joshua's career is on its way to oblivion if he losses this match, there is no fourth chance anymore Whyte can spoil Joshua's much-needed comeback.
Boxing fans whether they are fans or they are not fans of both boxers will have an interest in this fight because its a battle of who will stay and who will go.

Yes, they wanted to, Joshua needs another win to bring back his confidence, so they need to cherry pick again so that he will be on track after that 2 losses he got from Usyk.

Although in paper this fight looks good to me, but Dillian Whyte is like a good 4-5 rounder fighter. After that, he get's tired easy and that's where Joshua can get him and maybe score a knockout. Very wise move by Eddie Hearn here. So let's see if Whyte will be a willing participant here or he will just spoil Joshua and his future fight with Wilder.

[Yaunfitda]

Because this is their second fight which is we are all known that the underdog will want to prove who he is.

There will be more pressure now on Anthony Joshua to win the fight since his fight with Deontay Wilder, the fight we have all wanted to see will happen in December if Anthony Joshua is able to defeat Dillian Whyte, but if he does not win the fight, then the fight with Wilder will not happen. Anthony Joshua knows how dangerous Whyte can be, but he wanted something challenging before agreeing to this fight, so he will be prepared to give it his best and win it like he did before, if not by KO, by Unanimous decision.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1490745/anthony-joshua-deontay-wilder-locked-in-dillian-whyte/

There could be pressure, but he has defeated Whyte soundly before, so he might be thinking that this could be just another easy fight for him. But AJ should be careful as well not to overlook Whyte here, I think he still possesses that one punch knockout and AJ should try to avoid that right hand of Whyte otherwise he might see flashes of Ruiz fight again and then he will just be knockout or knockdown in the canvass.

But I still see AJ winning here, either by decision if the fight goes on the full 12 rounds and AJ having a hard time to knock Whyte out. Or AJ finding his rhythm and power once again and scoring a big KO.

[Baofeng]

Yes, I put up this fight on the other thread, Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions.

But it's good that we have a separate thread for discussion. I think Anthony Joshua is still going to beat Whyte in their rematch. Although we have seen Joshua's career going into the pipe right now with losses to Usyk and then his issues on getting a trainer, I think this fight could be just as what everyone is expecting, cherry pick and tune up fight for a big pay day fight coming in against Wilder.

So he shouldn't underestimate Whyte but then focus more on his offense and power because he will need it when he face Wilder in Saudi Arabia next. Joshua needs to be more technical here and throw his upper cut more because that is Whyte's weakness.

[AmoreJaz]

Yes, I put up this fight on the other thread, Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions.

But it's good that we have a separate thread for discussion. I think Anthony Joshua is still going to beat Whyte in their rematch. Although we have seen Joshua's career going into the pipe right now with losses to Usyk and then his issues on getting a trainer, I think this fight could be just as what everyone is expecting, cherry pick and tune up fight for a big pay day fight coming in against Wilder.

So he shouldn't underestimate Whyte but then focus more on his offense and power because he will need it when he face Wilder in Saudi Arabia next. Joshua needs to be more technical here and throw his upper cut more because that is Whyte's weakness.

for sure, a lot will be rooting for joshua here. but as you said, he should not underestimate whyte as for sure, he wants to win this fight as well and may come well-prepared for this re-match. joshua is also highly favourite by bookies, no doubt. so don't know if whyte can have his sweet revenge on this match.
and we will see if this one is indeed is just a cherry pick for joshua. sometimes surprising results can happen so joshua's camp should take this seriously.

[bisdak40]

Very affordable for a PPV price. Though the betting odds are not yet out, I'm expecting that Anthony Joshu would be the heavy favorite since he is the younger boxer and had accomplish more compared to Dillian Whyte who are supposed to retire according to one of our posters here.

Yup, Anthony Joshua would still be the favorite here, the only thing that we have to discuss here is whether Whyte would survive the full twelve rounds as he was KOed by Joshua on their first meeting.

The thing here is that Joshua beat Whyte when the former was not beaten yet, I mean his confidence was still very high at that time but for me, at the present moment, it seems that Joshua's confidence is fading after that loss to Ruiz, that makes this fight interesting. Hearn wants to test Joshua before giving him a fight with Wilder.

[QueenVera]

I know of how hard or easy it will be for  Anthony Joshua to KO Whyte in this match because i believe this is a rematch and a chance for whyte to right his wring with also capitalizing on the changes Anthony Joshua I've got now and I also though I was the only one who  noticed the changes with Anthony Joshua but regardless  of this, I don't think Anthony  will be willing to leave any stone unturned as he might still want to maintain his name.
I've been a great fan of Anthony  Joshua  but I don't think this match would be an easy one for either of them and if Anthony isn't careful and take this match gently,  then he shouldn't be surprised  if he losses to Whyte.

[robelneo]

   
AJ will remain a favorite in this fight but we better not count out Whyte. AJ is a completely changed fighter which is something Whyte can capitalize on. If AJ continues to try to box, not letting his hands go and Whyte is well-conditioned conditioned for a full fight then it will be a very exciting one. AJ might also get his confidence back knowing he already TKO'd Whyte when both of them are still unbeaten.

Joshua is the big favorite here but Dillian has nothing to lose and to protect if he goes all out here and tries to take everything away from Joshua, Joshua is on the climb to get back in title contention and this could be the fight that
can bring back his reputation if he knocks out Whyte the way he did in their first meeting.

But this is not the same Joshua anymore he is not the same aggressive and dominant fighter years ago when he held the undisputed title, obviously his camp wants him to get back on the right track slowly, there's a potential Wilder fight that they can go to but unfortunately his camp wants an easy way up and Dillian is their way to the top, Dillian could be the spoiler here I cannot imagine the scenario if Whyte beat Joshua and avenge his loss, we can forget the Wilder - Joshua or the Joshua - Fury.

[FinneysTrueVision]

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

[TravelMug]

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

Yes, they are looking for a good dance partner for Anthony Joshua, and just like you said, instead of directly going to Wilder in December, he might as well go for a tune up first. Just like what Ryan has supposed to do before the Tank fight, but he opted out of a tune up and then badly beaten. I think Wilder though will go to Andy Ruiz if I'm not mistaken.

Anyhow, I think it might end the same way as the first fight. And then Joshua very happy as he might think that he is back on track. But I think the Bronze Bomber will knockout Anthony Joshua if they face each other in the Middle East before the end of the year.

[Shamm]

This is a good opportunity for Dillian Whyte, as Anthony Joshua has already experienced losses in his career, and he may not be the same fighter he was when he was undefeated. While Dillian Whyte may still be considered the underdog, I am willing to take chances and perhaps even bet on him to level the rivalry. It's possible that we may witness a trilogy for this fight.

Anthony Joshua won in game one which is pretty good to him as we all know that once a fighter win the fight then all he need is to add more agility and techniques in order to maintain the momentum and have a big chance of winning. But dillian whyte will prove to us that he has a good strategy and techniques to counter Anthony Joshua, this rematch is very worthy to watch so let's seatback and relax.

[Kemarit]

This is a good opportunity for Dillian Whyte, as Anthony Joshua has already experienced losses in his career, and he may not be the same fighter he was when he was undefeated. While Dillian Whyte may still be considered the underdog, I am willing to take chances and perhaps even bet on him to level the rivalry. It's possible that we may witness a trilogy for this fight.

Anthony Joshua won in game one which is pretty good to him as we all know that once a fighter win the fight then all he need is to add more agility and techniques in order to maintain the momentum and have a big chance of winning. But dillian whyte will prove to us that he has a good strategy and techniques to counter Anthony Joshua, this rematch is very worthy to watch so let's seatback and relax.

Whyte already lost in their first fight, and as I comment in the other thread, he might not be in his prime already. So this is just a set up fight for AJ to look good in reference to a potential fight with Wilder in December as others say.

I'm not seeing a trilogy though, it's good to see Dillian Whyte fight again, but this is just for the money and Hearn just gave him the opportunity to have another fight and obviously a paycheck to be the opponent for a get busy fight for AJ.

[Josefjix]

Whyte already lost in their first fight, and as I comment in the other thread, he might not be in his prime already. So this is just a set up fight for AJ to look good in reference to a potential fight with Wilder in December as others say.

I'm not seeing a trilogy though, it's good to see Dillian Whyte fight again, but this is just for the money and Hearn just gave him the opportunity to have another fight and obviously a paycheck to be the opponent for a get busy fight for AJ.

This is an important wrestle to bolster Anthony Joshua's psyche and performance at the moment, as he needs all assistance he can get, potentially even at the top of the rankings. Anthony Joshua is the character, he's a competitive fighter who is constantly concerned about winning, but with his recent performance, he's recorded defeats over his opponents, so I'm guessing he still needs more time to get back on track. Dilian Whyte, on the other hand, is always ready to meet the Nigerian in the ring, and this time I believe he can match up draw points with him.