Boxing: Anthony Joshua vs Robert Helenius (replacement)

[Darker45]

Both of these fighters are facing the sunset of their careers. Unlike many others who voted in the poll, I don't see a knockout, neither from Whyte II nor from Joshua.

Joshua is not anymore the shining star in boxing that he used to be. If this is a fight arranged for his comeback, to somehow condition him to face Wilder next, Whyte II is probably the wrong opponent. Supposing Joshua survives Dillian and faces Wilder come December, he will probably be surprised at how huge and more powerful Wilder is that he'll realize Dillian didn't actually prepare him for it.

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[Dave1]

Both of these fighters are facing the sunset of their careers. Unlike many others who voted in the poll, I don't see a knockout, neither from Whyte II nor from Joshua.

Joshua is not anymore the shining star in boxing that he used to be. If this is a fight arranged for his comeback, to somehow condition him to face Wilder next, Whyte II is probably the wrong opponent. Supposing Joshua survives Dillian and faces Wilder come December, he will probably be surprised at how huge and more powerful Wilder is that he'll realize Dillian didn't actually prepare him for it.

His first lost to Andy Ruiz really lost all the invincibility on AJ here, but before that, he was beating everything. And then the lost, he was not the same anymore, although he avenge it, but his fighting style was very different. And then his two fights against Usyk really exposes him.

But it I'm going to pick as who is more on the sunset of their careers, I think it will be Whyte though. He might just rely on a one punch knockout here. He could be looking all day for that to score against AJ and that is the only chance he could win in this fight.

[robelneo]

Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

[Slow death]

the worst mistake of a fighter is when he goes back to fight the guy who defeated him, that's because most of the time when the fighter is undefeated and loses to someone, the tendency is to want revenge, but he starts to let his emotions affect him, even if he is a professional fighter, even if he has won other fights after the defeat, still when he faces the fighter who beat him he starts to get carried away by anger and I lose focus, in my opinion in the case of this fight I will wait for the days of the fight are approaching so I can have an idea of who can win the fight, and it's true that many years have passed since the two fought

and many things have changed, but the central problem is that even though many years have passed and a lot has changed in terms of the fighters' achievements, this fight is about emotions, both fighters will have emotions when fighting and that could hinder the loser of the last fight, so I'll wait until the days of the fight get closer to see what I'm going to bet on

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

I wouldn't say it's going to be a burden though, if anything here, it should motivate him to finished and win the fight against Whyte so that him and Wilder can face each other this December or maybe early next year for one of the biggest purse, so big paycheck for both of them.

He should learn from his past mistakes, although he has been a very different boxer after he lost to Ruiz in the first fight that you mentioned. It's all going to be psychological for Joshua against Whyte. Maybe what he can think of is that he already beat Dillian the first time so he can do it again and not underestimating because if could derail him fight against Wilder.

[inthelongrun]

the worst mistake of a fighter is when he goes back to fight the guy who defeated him, that's because most of the time when the fighter is undefeated and loses to someone, the tendency is to want revenge, but he starts to let his emotions affect him, even if he is a professional fighter, even if he has won other fights after the defeat, still when he faces the fighter who beat him he starts to get carried away by anger and I lose focus, in my opinion in the case of this fight I will wait for the days of the fight are approaching so I can have an idea of who can win the fight, and it's true that many years have passed since the two fought

and many things have changed, but the central problem is that even though many years have passed and a lot has changed in terms of the fighters' achievements, this fight is about emotions, both fighters will have emotions when fighting and that could hinder the loser of the last fight, so I'll wait until the days of the fight get closer to see what I'm going to bet on

True, a rematch means there are psychological effects. In the past, there are a lot of rematches that happened. I remember when Oscar De La Hoya lost a very close fight to Sugar Shane Mosley at 147 but later became a unified champion at 154. He then challenged Mosley in a rematch with intentions of avenging his previous questionable defeat. Mosley before the fight lost 2 and a draw in his last 3 fights which further hyped the odds for a De La Hoya victory. But when the sound of the bell began, Mosley looked like a fresh confident fighter, and De La Hoya failed to dominate. In the end, all of De La Hoya's belts were taken by Mosley after securing another close but unanimous victory.

I believe AJ is still battling with his emotions after suffering 3 defeats. It will be interesting how his approach in this fight knowing he already stopped Whyte before but at the same time, he knows that he is also vulnerable especially if Whyte goes beast mode. Whyte has nothing to lose already, he should train hard and work on his stamina so he can attack AJ, or else it will be AJ attacking him.

[robelneo]

Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

I wouldn't say it's going to be a burden though, if anything here, it should motivate him to finished and win the fight against Whyte so that him and Wilder can face each other this December or maybe early next year for one of the biggest purse, so big paycheck for both of them.

He should learn from his past mistakes, although he has been a very different boxer after he lost to Ruiz in the first fight that you mentioned. It's all going to be psychological for Joshua against Whyte. Maybe what he can think of is that he already beat Dillian the first time so he can do it again and not underestimating because if could derail him fight against Wilder.

Its a motivation but more of a burden, I have seen boxers taking what seems to be a fight preparation for a much bigger paycheck only to lose decisively or by upsets like Tyson to Douglas and Tommy Morisson to Michael Bent both Tyson and Morisson got knocked out for what experts expect should be an easy fight for these two heavy favorites.

Of course Joshua is the favorite here but Whyte could be a serious spoiler, what he has got to lose, against a guy who could potentially lose everything, I'm sure Joshua is thinking of those scenarios and he's hoping to win decisively and I'm sure Wilder is also hoping, both Wilder and Joshua want and need each other for a huge comeback of their respective career.

[Jating]

the worst mistake of a fighter is when he goes back to fight the guy who defeated him, that's because most of the time when the fighter is undefeated and loses to someone, the tendency is to want revenge, but he starts to let his emotions affect him, even if he is a professional fighter, even if he has won other fights after the defeat, still when he faces the fighter who beat him he starts to get carried away by anger and I lose focus, in my opinion in the case of this fight I will wait for the days of the fight are approaching so I can have an idea of who can win the fight, and it's true that many years have passed since the two fought

and many things have changed, but the central problem is that even though many years have passed and a lot has changed in terms of the fighters' achievements, this fight is about emotions, both fighters will have emotions when fighting and that could hinder the loser of the last fight, so I'll wait until the days of the fight get closer to see what I'm going to bet on

True, a rematch means there are psychological effects. In the past, there are a lot of rematches that happened. I remember when Oscar De La Hoya lost a very close fight to Sugar Shane Mosley at 147 but later became a unified champion at 154. He then challenged Mosley in a rematch with intentions of avenging his previous questionable defeat. Mosley before the fight lost 2 and a draw in his last 3 fights which further hyped the odds for a De La Hoya victory. But when the sound of the bell began, Mosley looked like a fresh confident fighter, and De La Hoya failed to dominate. In the end, all of De La Hoya's belts were taken by Mosley after securing another close but unanimous victory.

I believe AJ is still battling with his emotions after suffering 3 defeats. It will be interesting how his approach in this fight knowing he already stopped Whyte before but at the same time, he knows that he is also vulnerable especially if Whyte goes beast mode. Whyte has nothing to lose already, he should train hard and work on his stamina so he can attack AJ, or else it will be AJ attacking him.

Yes, if ever he will lost to a fighter that he already defeated, then something must be wrong with his mentality and he can't get over the 2 losses he got from the hands of Usyk. And that's what it is said that he should take first a tune up fight before getting into Usyk in a rematch. But we all know what happen, he tried his best but Usyk has more heart than him.

So this is a good set up fight for AJ and hopefully he will removed that from his mind and focus on Dillian Whyte and win the fight and bring back what pride he has before his 3 losses.

[Kemarit]

Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

I wouldn't say it's going to be a burden though, if anything here, it should motivate him to finished and win the fight against Whyte so that him and Wilder can face each other this December or maybe early next year for one of the biggest purse, so big paycheck for both of them.

He should learn from his past mistakes, although he has been a very different boxer after he lost to Ruiz in the first fight that you mentioned. It's all going to be psychological for Joshua against Whyte. Maybe what he can think of is that he already beat Dillian the first time so he can do it again and not underestimating because if could derail him fight against Wilder.

Its a motivation but more of a burden, I have seen boxers taking what seems to be a fight preparation for a much bigger paycheck only to lose decisively or by upsets like Tyson to Douglas and Tommy Morisson to Michael Bent both Tyson and Morisson got knocked out for what experts expect should be an easy fight for these two heavy favorites.

Of course Joshua is the favorite here but Whyte could be a serious spoiler, what he has got to lose, against a guy who could potentially lose everything, I'm sure Joshua is thinking of those scenarios and he's hoping to win decisively and I'm sure Wilder is also hoping, both Wilder and Joshua want and need each other for a huge comeback of their respective career.

As far as the odds goes, it seems that Joshua is a huge favorite here, ML 1.15 Whyte at 4.70. And then the Over/Under round is 9.5.

So great odds so far specially the Over/Under. However, if we are talking about upsets, then it's possible if Joshua is going to underestimate Whyte or not training hard and not taking his opponent seriously as in the case of Tyson vs Douglas. Perhaps it was the same case with Morrison against Michael Bentt, sad thing is that Morrison was winning the fight until he was hit with a right, it could be just a lucky shot, but Bentt win the fight in 2 rounds. So Joshua here shouldn't overlook Whyte and not get ahead of his supposedly fight with Wilder next.

[Josefjix]

As far as the odds goes, it seems that Joshua is a huge favorite here, ML 1.15 Whyte at 4.70. And then the Over/Under round is 9.5.

So great odds so far specially the Over/Under. However, if we are talking about upsets, then it's possible if Joshua is going to underestimate Whyte or not training hard and not taking his opponent seriously as in the case of Tyson vs Douglas. Perhaps it was the same case with Morrison against Michael Bentt, sad thing is that Morrison was winning the fight until he was hit with a right, it could be just a lucky shot, but Bentt win the fight in 2 rounds. So Joshua here shouldn't overlook Whyte and not get ahead of his supposedly fight with Wilder next.

A tough game to predict, the chances are important in this circumstance, but while the current odds favor Anthony Joshua, that doesn't mean he has a 100% chance of winning. It's an extremely difficult game, but I verdict the triumph to Anthony Joshua, who has been in the space for a long time and understands the points to strike during the fight, as does Dillian Whyte. Both boxers should provide their best effort in the ring. Anthony Joshua weighs more than Dilian Whyte, and there's a chance the Nigerian fighter would underestimate his opponents in the ring.

[Viscore]

On paper, Joshua appears to have the advantage against Dillian Whyte, who is already nearing retirement. I mean no disrespect, as he is only 36 years old, but he hasn't been getting significant fights lately. However, his bout with Joshua can be considered a big fight since Joshua remains popular despite losing his undefeated record. Let's see who will come out on top, but I have a feeling the younger fighter will prevail.

[yazher]

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

That's right and it could be some kind of training that he can get to practice before facing Wilder no matter how you look at it, we know that Wilder has the advantage when they gonna face each other in the ring. In this fight, Joshua is expected to win and will once again dominate Whyte due to his advanced skills and experience compared to Whyte he already proved that in their first fight and it would be fairer to think that Joshua has been improving his skills preparing for some worthy opponent and Whyte right now is just a small fawn compared to others.

[Botnake]

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

That's right and it could be some kind of training that he can get to practice before facing Wilder no matter how you look at it, we know that Wilder has the advantage when they gonna face each other in the ring. In this fight, Joshua is expected to win and will once again dominate Whyte due to his advanced skills and experience compared to Whyte he already proved that in their first fight and it would be fairer to think that Joshua has been improving his skills preparing for some worthy opponent and Whyte right now is just a small fawn compared to others.

Both Wilder and Joshua were former champions who were dethroned, and now they will be fighting to determine who is the best between them. This fight is sure to entertain the crowd, even though it's not a championship bout. In his last fight on October 15, 2022, Wilder scored a knockout victory against Robert Helenius. Considering their styles and the fact that both fighters don't move around much, I would lean towards Wilder due to his more powerful punches.

For the highly anticipated fight between Wilder and Joshua not to be spoiled, Joshua needs to defeat Whyte.

[Marykeller]

Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.
Joshua's career is on its way to oblivion if he losses this match, there is no fourth chance anymore Whyte can spoil Joshua's much-needed comeback.
Boxing fans whether they are fans or they are not fans of both boxers will have an interest in this fight because its a battle of who will stay and who will go.

Actually, whoever lost the bout between the two retires from boxing early because he will no longer need to maintain his level of fitness for his profession and won't have any reason to fight for the WBC title again. Because there is so much on the line (win and you might have a chance to compete for boxing titles. lose and your career is over), the fight between the two will be tense and exciting.

Anthony Joshua always makes it clear that he wants to fight Tyson Fury at least once before calling it a day on his boxing career, so I believe he will do everything in his power to defeat Dillian Whyte on points.
August 12 will be the time for him to show the world that is not yet over for him after losing back-to-back defeats to Oleksandr Usyk.

[BitcoinPanther]

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

It is all business even though the rematch does not worth it, the promoter probably thinks that this fight will give AJ more boost and as you said a tune up fight for the next opponent.  I wonder if after this fight AJ will meet Fury after this fight since Dillian Whyte  was previously beaten by Tyson Fury.  As far as I can recall, AJ had beaten Dillian Whyte 7 or 8 years ago by 7th round stoppage and still I think Whyte can't beat AJ after those years.

For the highly anticipated fight between Wilder and Joshua not to be spoiled, Joshua needs to defeat Whyte.

So it was Wilder first then Fury later if ever AJ beats Wilder?  I think it is more convenience for AJ to head on straight and fight Fury.

[Sanitough]

So it was Wilder first then Fury later if ever AJ beats Wilder?  I think it is more convenience for AJ to head on straight and fight Fury.

AJ would be lucky to beat Wilder. We have to remind him that only Fury had defeated Wilder and prior to his defeat, he was the best in the heavyweight with a high KO rate, so I would be surprised if AJ would beat Wilder because I think the other way around would occur.

[Jawhead999]

I think Joshua will win via KO because Whyte had suffer three losses and all of them were KO'ed.

Joshua is still strong despite his last match he only won via decision, but I think Whyte don't have a strong chin, he only have a good power.

So it was Wilder first then Fury later if ever AJ beats Wilder?  I think it is more convenience for AJ to head on straight and fight Fury.

If Joshua can win via KO, he should be straight and fight Fury. Wilder had loss 2 times against Fury, so it's the time to prove which one will win Joshua vs Fury,

[eaLiTy]

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Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.

This is exactly the reason i was thinking when i saw this thread, the promoters of Anthony Joshua wanted him to be confident enough after the losses so that they can book other high profile fights but the funny aspect will be, what happens if Anthony Joshua gets knocked out cold by Dillian Whyte because he is more than capable of doing that .

[btc_angela]

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Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.

This is exactly the reason i was thinking when i saw this thread, the promoters of Anthony Joshua wanted him to be confident enough after the losses so that they can book other high profile fights but the funny aspect will be, what happens if Anthony Joshua gets knocked out cold by Dillian Whyte because he is more than capable of doing that .

Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not,  he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty",  .

But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

[TopTort777]

Lol. If Whyte really said that, then he is a funny guy. I wonder if he talks like that, when everyone knows that he will get KOed by AJ. There is a chance that AJ is still mentally flying somewhere, then there is a chance for Dillian.
Is AJ good today? His victory against Franklin was not impressive. He should KO such opponents, instead the fight went full distance.