Someone Loan using My Account

[Poker Player]

After going through the entire thread, I still don't understand what really happened.

I found it hard to understand what happened too. I had to read the whole thread carefully, and some posts to reread, because I find it quite shocking. The essential difference I see here is that in other cases, when an account has been hacked, the hacker took full control, but in this case he enters the account, asks for a loan and lets the person who created it handle it normally.

I have a sneaky suspicion that this might become more frequent in the future. Neither Peanutswar nor Woodie seem to have any idea (or they're not willing to share) how this happened, and mdgabrielzim remains silent about it.

This is the worst of all.

In my case I think I will never ask for a loan in Bitcointalk, and I don't think a neutral tag is even necessary. Nor will I put anything in my profile.

If any lender gives a loan to this account, Poker Player, without requesting a signed message from the following address, I won't be accountable:

Message: This is Poker player from bitcointalk. December30th 2020.

Address: 3MqbAyRieHuKH9VzKNQnvBBUwZ4dXrwSrb

Signature: INQEACt2vlczkMOZmn0JrQgig/wavq4fQfa1PKwHbaHpfqk6ffucbSR7BuoR3qc2GmE4OgOs7graZIHiTfDkXds=

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[robelneo]

This incident is very unfortunate for OP I hope Shasan will consider implementing a waiting period of say 48 hours or more for a loan that is higher than $500 and put a neutral tag first like " This user is going to take a loan will grant in the next 48 hours" while waiting for the neutral tag to expire and just change it when the loan is granted.
This is just a suggestion it's still up to Shasan and other lenders to implement it.

It would make no difference and would negatively impact those who desperately need a loan. The only way to avoid this is to request a signed message from a staked address and validate it before issuing a loan..

I definitely support this, it's a good option if Shasan will ask for a signed message from a staked address, nevertheless, it's still an option to consider to protect lenders and those asking for loans as not all loans are emergency loans, in case there is a hack the real user will notice the tag.
Anyway, it's just a suggestion for reference.

[LoyceV]

Changing password and email occasionally has always been a good security practice what changed now?

People realized it was stupid in the first place

Read the NCSC:

Regular password expiry is a common requirement in many security policies. However, in the Password Guidance published in 2015, we explicitly advised against it. This article explains why we made this (for many) unexpected recommendation, and why we think it’s the right way forward.

Let’s consider how we might limit the harm that comes from an attacker who knows a user’s password. The obvious answer is to make the compromised password useless by forcing the legitimate user to replace it with a new one that the attacker doesn’t know. This advice seems straightforward enough.

The problem is that this doesn’t take into account the inconvenience to users - the ‘usability costs’ - of forcing users to frequently change their passwords. The majority of password policies force us to use passwords that we find hard to remember. Our passwords have to be as long as possible and as ‘random’ as possible. And while we can manage this for a handful of passwords, we can’t do this for the dozens of passwords we now use in our online lives.

To make matters worse, most password policies insist that we have to keep changing them. And when forced to change one, the chances are that the new password will be similar to the old one.

Attackers can exploit this weakness.

The new password may have been used elsewhere, and attackers can exploit this too. The new password is also more likely to be written down, which represents another vulnerability. New passwords are also more likely to be forgotten, and this carries the productivity costs of users being locked out of their accounts, and service desks having to reset passwords.

It’s one of those counter-intuitive security scenarios; the more often users are forced to change passwords, the greater the overall vulnerability to attack. What appeared to be a perfectly sensible, long-established piece of advice doesn’t, it turns out, stand up to a rigorous, whole-system analysis.

The NCSC now recommend organisations do not force regular password expiry. We believe this reduces the vulnerabilities associated with regularly expiring passwords (described above) while doing little to increase the risk of long-term password exploitation. Attackers can often work out the new password, if they have the old one. And users, forced to change another password, will often choose a ‘weaker’ one that they won’t forget.

Or PCMag: Stop Changing Your (Strong, Unique) Passwords So Much.

I checked my seclog log: there is no password change in there for theymos.

What about a notification on trust page once user login recently using different country IP address?

You'd see that notification on me. It wouldn't mean anything. Besides, an attacker could easily avoid it by using a VPN based on local boards used by the user.
If you're worried about it, you can make myips.php the default page when you open a new tab.

[shasan]

Let's make the forum clean.. give me that tag!

I have just found from your neutral trust that you will never take a loan from the forum. And also came to know that you are the Alt of thepeterson u=3557808 which has been mentioned by Timelord2o67 Are you really alt of that person and you do not want to take a loan? If yes, then how I got this message:

[CryptoHFs]

Lol, this is such a joke.  What happens if three years from now one of you guys decides you need a loan?  What if you want LoyceV to remove the tag, but he's no longer active?  What if LoyceV takes a break from the forum, and drops off of DT?  By this logic a lender is supposed to go digging through years worth of reviews, possibly untrusted reviews to look for a possible entry by LoyceV saying you won't ever take out a loan.  What if you do take a loan from some unsuspecting lender and decide you don't have to pay it because look, "back in 2023 LoyceV left a tag saying I would never take out a loan."  Couldn't this be used as an excuse to scam a lender?

zasad@

2023-07-10

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This user confirmed he never wants to take a loan. If his account asks for it, it's not him.

CYBER_COWBOY

2023-07-10

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This user confirmed he never wants to take a loan. If his account asks for it, it's not him.

Peanutswar

2023-07-10

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This user confirmed he never wants to take a loan. If his account asks for it, it's not him.

lovesmayfamilis

2023-07-08

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This user confirmed she never wants to take a loan. If her account asks for it, it's not her.

CryptoHFs

2023-07-08

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This user confirmed he never wants to take a loan. If his account asks for it, it's not him.

Not to mention, out of these 5 request, one (I suspect) is a sockpuppet of a loan defaulter, lending board troll, and alt farmer that's been spamming and trolling the lending board for over a year, using multiple alts in an attempt to get an unsecured loan.  And, another just literally asked for a loan last week, lol.  You couldn't make this shit up.

Nothing good will come of these tags, and if you have asked LoyceV to tag you, I have a suggestion:  SECURE YOUR FUCKING ACCOUNT!  Take some personal responsibility for your own safety and security, and that of the forum.  If you fear some one is after your precious and valuable account, change your password.

Another thing I noticed about this thread, shasan's notable absence.  @shasan, with all due respect, to what extent are you responsible for this tragedy?  Sure, Peanutswar didn't secure his account, but what efforts did you take to make sure the loan you were issuing was going to the same person that built that account?

Well, I did it to support the idea. If I ever need a loan in the future I will be requesting it from my alt.

This account btc address is compromised, banned before for a week, most likely I will stop using it.

Hey shasan I spoke to you 3rd of July and my comment is 8th of July not only that when people mentioned what you said I stated that if I need a loan I will request it through my alt. So in both cases there's no point at all I am seeing in your question.

I literally just requested today a loan from CC to be received on my alt if you have a valid point let me know.

Also timelord didn't solve a mystery it's me who writing everywhere both of the accounts are mine  

Edit: lol, even me telling you both are mine in the DMs

[Stalker22]

Hey shasan I spoke to you 3rd of July and my comment is 8th of July not only that when people mentioned what you said I stated that if I need a loan I will request it through my alt. So in both cases there's no point at all I am seeing in your question.

I literally just requested today a loan from CC to be received on my alt if you have a valid point let me know.

Also timelord didn't solve a mystery it's me who writing everywhere both of the accounts are mine  

Edit: lol, even me telling you both are mine in the DMs

The point is that it does not make much sense to claim with one of your accounts that you will not ask for a loan on this forum while, at the same time, asking for a loan with your alt account. Did you inform LoyceV of that fact when you asked him for a neutral tag?

[CryptoHFs]

Hey shasan I spoke to you 3rd of July and my comment is 8th of July not only that when people mentioned what you said I stated that if I need a loan I will request it through my alt. So in both cases there's no point at all I am seeing in your question.

I literally just requested today a loan from CC to be received on my alt if you have a valid point let me know.

Also timelord didn't solve a mystery it's me who writing everywhere both of the accounts are mine  

Edit: lol, even me telling you both are mine in the DMs

The point is that it does not make much sense to claim with one of your accounts that you will not ask for a loan on this forum while, at the same time, asking for a loan with your alt account. Did you inform LoyceV of that fact when you asked him for a neutral tag?

LoyceV himself did the same thing and said I will never request from my alt and if I ever request will be from my main loyce and I will sign a message if you don't like the concept go tag him. I did what he did and I supported his tagging idea with this account to support the forum which was after my conversation end with shasan,  direwolf and more. No one can try to blame me for anything as I'm aware of what I do.

[Stalker22]

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LoyceV himself did the same thing and said I will never request from my alt and if I ever request will be from my main loyce and I will sign a message if you don't like the concept go tag him. I did what he did and I supported his tagging idea with this account to support the forum which was after my conversation end with shasan,  direwolf and more. No one can try to blame me for anything as I'm aware of what I do.

No, I have nothing against the concept, but it is evident that you have not understood the concept. Also, as far as I know, LoyceV did not do the same thing you did. Please direct me to the post where LoyceV stated that he would never ask for a loan with his main account but could ask with his alt?

Why do you object to my neutral tag on your accounts when it basically echoes your own words? Is there anything factually incorrect in it? (Consider this a reply to your PM; no need to repeat the same thing privately.)

By the way, I find the negative feedback you left on my profile to be factually incorrect ^{(as I am fully capable of reading full sentences and I can prove it)}, lacking valid references, and an abuse of the trust system. I recommend reading LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

CryptoHFs

2023-07-22

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Unfortunately, most likely doesn't know how to read full sentences.

[CryptoHFs]

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LoyceV himself did the same thing and said I will never request from my alt and if I ever request will be from my main loyce and I will sign a message if you don't like the concept go tag him. I did what he did and I supported his tagging idea with this account to support the forum which was after my conversation end with shasan,  direwolf and more. No one can try to blame me for anything as I'm aware of what I do.

No, I have nothing against the concept, but it is evident that you have not understood the concept. Also, as far as I know, LoyceV did not do the same thing you did. Please direct me to the post where LoyceV stated that he would never ask for a loan with his main account but could ask with his alt?

Why do you object to my neutral tag on your accounts when it basically echoes your own words? Is there anything factually incorrect in it? (Consider this a reply to your PM; no need to repeat the same thing privately.)

By the way, I find the negative feedback you left on my profile to be factually incorrect ^{(as I am fully capable of reading full sentences and I can prove it)}, lacking valid references, and an abuse of the trust system. I recommend reading LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

CryptoHFs

2023-07-22

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Unfortunately, most likely doesn't know how to read full sentences.

Why do you object to my neutral tag on your accounts when it basically echoes your own words?

Because it is not my own words you want to merge the alt in it.

For loyce he did the opposite which is technically the same exact thing

I will read his trust post however I won't apply it with abusers

Also as you tagged both sides I will do the same from the alt as well

[LoyceV]

The point is that it does not make much sense to claim with one of your accounts that you will not ask for a loan on this forum while, at the same time, asking for a loan with your alt account. Did you inform LoyceV of that fact when you asked him for a neutral tag?

I didn't know this when he requested a neutral tag.

LoyceV himself did the same thing and said I will never request from my alt and if I ever request will be from my main loyce and I will sign a message if you don't like the concept go tag him.

I think you're mixing up a few things. For starters, I made it obvious LoyceMobile is my alt.

By the way, I find the negative feedback you left on my profile to be factually incorrect ^{(as I am fully capable of reading full sentences and I can prove it)}, lacking valid references, and an abuse of the trust system. I recommend reading LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

Agreed. @CryptoHFs: it's off-topic here (and considering how much drama there is, you should probably create your own Reputation thread for this), but you should reconsider your Trust abuse on Stalker22.

[CryptoHFs]

The point is that it does not make much sense to claim with one of your accounts that you will not ask for a loan on this forum while, at the same time, asking for a loan with your alt account. Did you inform LoyceV of that fact when you asked him for a neutral tag?

I didn't know this when he requested a neutral tag.

LoyceV himself did the same thing and said I will never request from my alt and if I ever request will be from my main loyce and I will sign a message if you don't like the concept go tag him.

I think you're mixing up a few things. For starters, I made it obvious LoyceMobile is my alt.

By the way, I find the negative feedback you left on my profile to be factually incorrect ^{(as I am fully capable of reading full sentences and I can prove it)}, lacking valid references, and an abuse of the trust system. I recommend reading LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

Agreed. @CryptoHFs: it's off-topic here (and considering how much drama there is, you should probably create your own Reputation thread for this), but you should reconsider your Trust abuse on Stalker22.

I will remove his tag but he must be an ethical person not trying to mix things together and have his removed as it shows nothing new. I am capable to fuck back whoever tries to fuck with me.

Edit: removed prior to loyce opinion

[CYBER_COWBOY]

Let's make the forum clean.. give me that tag!

I have just found from your neutral trust that you will never take a loan from the forum. And also came to know that you are the Alt of thepeterson u=3557808 which has been mentioned by Timelord2o67 Are you really alt of that person and you do not want to take a loan? If yes, then how I got this message:

Sashan are you using a pirate copy of windows?
I don't try to be funny or rude, but I think its best to have a real license, I think you would afford it without any problem.
Cheers.

[CryptoHFs]

Let's make the forum clean.. give me that tag!

I have just found from your neutral trust that you will never take a loan from the forum. And also came to know that you are the Alt of thepeterson u=3557808 which has been mentioned by Timelord2o67 Are you really alt of that person and you do not want to take a loan? If yes, then how I got this message:

Sashan are you using a pirate copy of windows? 

lol, luckily he hasn't got hacked until now using unverified copies

[shasan]

Sashan are you using a pirate copy of windows? Kiss
I don't try to be funny or rude, but I think its best to have a real license, I think you would afford it without any problem.
Cheers.

I am not using any paid Windows version. Because the price of windows is almost the same as my laptop (LOL) and I feel comfortable using the free version. I think it will not effect too much for the windows.

Sashan are you using a pirate copy of windows? Kiss
I don't try to be funny or rude, but I think it's                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      best to have a real license, I think you would afford it without any problem.
Cheers.

And I do not think if I use the paid version then I will be able to safe mine from being attacked by malware.
Op is trying to repay already started repaying the loan.

[CryptoHFs]

Sashan are you using a pirate copy of windows? Kiss
I don't try to be funny or rude, but I think its best to have a real license, I think you would afford it without any problem.
Cheers.

I am not using any paid Windows version. Because the price of windows is almost the same as my laptop (LOL) and I feel comfortable using the free version. I think it will not effect too much for the windows.

Sashan are you using a pirate copy of windows? Kiss
I don't try to be funny or rude, but I think it's                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      best to have a real license, I think you would afford it without any problem.
Cheers.

And I do not think if I use the paid version then I will be able to safe mine from being attacked by malware.
Op is trying to repay already started repaying the loan.

You'll never be safe using a windows anyways.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

y paid Windows version. Because the price of windows is almost the same as my laptop (LOL) and I feel comfortable using the free version. I think it will not effect too much for the windows.

A valid cd-key for windows is very cheap, i think you can buy them for around $10-$20.
But hey, if it works for you why change. 

Op is trying to repay already started repaying the loan.

That's great mate, funny to hear that you guys have started a solution.

[shasan]

A valid cd-key for windows is very cheap, i think you can buy them for around $10-$20.
But hey, if it works for you why change.  Smiley

I don't know the value of it and also wasn't eager to use this but as you have posted I tried to check the service but before doing so DireWolfM14 helped me to activate my windows and I have done that. Now my windows working perfectly.

That's great mate, funny to hear that you guys have started a solution.

The solution was figure out at the time of OP came to know about the incident.

[shasan]

Update:
I received partial repayment on 11th August and earlier. On 18th August I checked my balance for personal reasons and came to know I had not received anything on that week. Then I tried to check the payment of the signature campaign and came to know the payment had already been made. I have tried again and again and later came to understand the wallet has been changed. I have searched on the forum and came to know that the wallet is of OP which has been used to replace my wallet which was announced by the OP. But at the time of replacement, there is no announcement. When I contacted the OP, the OP said:

Good day Shashan,
I don't have a job yet now and to sustain my daily needs to live I change back to mine again and send my payment to your wallet for this coming end of the month I hope you u understand.

Thank you.

If OP really needs a few dollars then OP could tell me at least inform about the replacement. And as here is an open thread Op should update on this thread too. But OP did not do that.
Today I checked my balance and no balance was added to my wallet.

Conclusion:
I think OP is trying to delay the payment and the loan that has been received by someone else is nothing but gossip which has been made to get sympathy for what can take a long time to repay the loan.

Note: I will create a scam accusation if I do not get positive response from the OP.

[Peanutswar]

Update:
I received partial repayment on 11th August and earlier. On 18th August I checked my balance for personal reasons and came to know I had not received anything on that week. Then I tried to check the payment of the signature campaign and came to know the payment had already been made. I have tried again and again and later came to understand the wallet has been changed. I have searched on the forum and came to know that the wallet is of OP which has been used to replace my wallet which was announced by the OP. But at the time of replacement, there is no announcement. When I contacted the OP, the OP said:

Good day Shashan,
I don't have a job yet now and to sustain my daily needs to live I change back to mine again and send my payment to your wallet for this coming end of the month I hope you u understand.

Thank you.

If OP really needs a few dollars then OP could tell me at least inform about the replacement. And as here is an open thread Op should update on this thread too. But OP did not do that.
Today I checked my balance and no balance was added to my wallet.

Conclusion:
I think OP is trying to delay the payment and the loan that has been received by someone else is nothing but gossip which has been made to get sympathy for what can take a long time to repay the loan.

Note: I will create a scam accusation if I do not get positive response from the OP.

Good day Shashan,

I know doesn't having a job makes me suffer with this debt, I just changed my wallet address in signature campaign for a while to cater to my expenses, and based on our conversation I will send the payment this coming week. As you can see I keep updating you once I send the funds

[logfiles]

Good day Shashan,

I know doesn't having a job makes me suffer with this debt, I just changed my wallet address in signature campaign for a while to cater to my expenses, and based on our conversation I will send the payment this coming week. As you can see I keep updating you once I send the funds

I think what he is trying to say is that communicate to him in case of any changes and once you guys come into an agreement, you can also make an update in this thread rather than just do things quietly.

Try to do like what this member did when his wallet containing signature campaign payment funds got hacked until when you completely solve your problem. You are in a hard situation, but you can achieve it.