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August 07, 2023, 08:00:54 AM
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If you trade with emotions so yeah, trading and gambling are the same. But if you know the basics, you understand the only mutual thing is the risk.
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August 15, 2023, 06:05:52 AM
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Well, I'm not a gambling person but I'm definitely a bitcoin person. You cannot be 100% sure if you lose or win, that's true. But there are market predictions, there're bullish and bearish markets. So, it's not a total mystery. The more you trade, the more you understand the basics
Lose or Win terms are not applicable to Spot trading, you dont lose but you convert from one asset to another, technically it is not a loss unless that asset reaches near zero fiat valuation. But in trading modes other than spot, you will lose money because those are all in reality a method of gambling. The market trend is a term that is applicable to most spot trading.

If you trade with emotions so yeah, trading and gambling are the same. But if you know the basics, you understand the only mutual thing is the risk.
I think you overlooked, I had explained above that EV- games predominate in gambling while trading other than spot are compared to be similar because they are based on chance. Some EV+ games are there and we also have spot trading both these groups require skills.

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August 15, 2023, 06:27:10 AM
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If you trade with emotions so yeah, trading and gambling are the same. But if you know the basics, you understand the only mutual thing is the risk.
I think you overlooked, I had explained above that EV- games predominate in gambling while trading other than spot are compared to be similar because they are based on chance. Some EV+ games are there and we also have spot trading both these groups require skills.
I think I will have to disagree with you on your statement that any other trading that is outside spot trading is based on chance, other trading types, like futures, margin and so on, are not entirely based on chance, it all depends on who is trading and how knowledgeable and good he or she is, traders who have probably traded the market for a long time and understand it, and also have the technical know how, to determine which part the market is headed, are sure not trading based on chance..

What i do consider trading based on chance, which is no different from gambling, is when some one with no knowledge enters a futures market, place orders and deep in their head, they don't know exactly what they are doing, in-fact, they within themselves know that they are just guessing the market and hoping they are right with their guess, this is what i call trading based on chance., which equals to gambling.

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August 15, 2023, 08:53:10 AM
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Holding bitcoin is not the same thing as trading bitcoin. Gambling and trading are not the same thing too. Trading require you to learn trading skills but gambling require just some strategies. Trading can be risky like gambling, but they are not the same thing. If the price of bitcoin fall already, you can invest for months or years and you will most likely gain.
Trading is risky like gambling but not as risky as gambling.  When a trader makes a wrong entry in trading then his balance is not 0 and he has a chance to recover the loss by holding those coins.  But in case of gambling, if one makes a wrong decision, his balance immediately becomes 0 and if he wins the bet, he gets the profit according to the odds. So these two things are not the same there is a big difference between them. However, leverage trading can be said to be a form of gambling, but spot trading is never like gambling



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August 15, 2023, 09:21:18 AM
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Holding bitcoin is not the same thing as trading bitcoin. Gambling and trading are not the same thing too. Trading require you to learn trading skills but gambling require just some strategies. Trading can be risky like gambling, but they are not the same thing. If the price of bitcoin fall already, you can invest for months or years and you will most likely gain.
Trading is risky like gambling but not as risky as gambling.  When a trader makes a wrong entry in trading then his balance is not 0 and he has a chance to recover the loss by holding those coins.  But in case of gambling, if one makes a wrong decision, his balance immediately becomes 0 and if he wins the bet, he gets the profit according to the odds. So these two things are not the same there is a big difference between them. However, leverage trading can be said to be a form of gambling, but spot trading is never like gambling

You mean holding or spot trading? Yes, that is a possibility if the coin you are holding is worth it, but if not, then you've likely lost your money. Though you are right that gambling is more risky and one wrong decision can make you go broke, they are kind of incomparable because first, gambling is mostly based on luck, and somewhat there are skills on it like card games, but still you'll need some luck on it, unlike in trading, which is purely about your knowledge and skills, which make you win an entry or lose one.
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August 15, 2023, 03:43:38 PM
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Trading is risky like gambling but not as risky as gambling.  When a trader makes a wrong entry in trading then his balance is not 0 and he has a chance to recover the loss by holding those coins.  But in case of gambling, if one makes a wrong decision, his balance immediately becomes 0 and if he wins the bet, he gets the profit according to the odds. So these two things are not the same there is a big difference between them. However, leverage trading can be said to be a form of gambling, but spot trading is never like gambling
I agree. Both involve risking money, only their approach and goal vary. In trading, we buy and sell assets intending to make a profit, while gambling involves risking money to win more. Decisions are based on research, analysis, and market trends in trading, while gambling is often based on chance and luck. Trading can be a long-term investment strategy, while gambling is typically more short-term and focused on immediate gains.

Personally, I consider trading a more legitimate and safer activity than gambling, which can be associated with addiction and other negative consequences. They may have similarities, but the differences between the two are significant. Either way, it is important to understand these differences before getting involved in either activity.
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August 15, 2023, 04:10:55 PM
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If you trade with emotions so yeah, trading and gambling are the same. But if you know the basics, you understand the only mutual thing is the risk.
You can use analysis for both but as you've said that if someone doesn't do that and is mostly doing things according to his emotion then you're right that there's no actual difference.

Personally, I consider trading a more legitimate and safer activity than gambling, which can be associated with addiction and other negative consequences. They may have similarities, but the differences between the two are significant. Either way, it is important to understand these differences before getting involved in either activity.
We've got the same thought about trading as a safer thing than gambling. You know that in gambling, at most times it will trigger you to lose your emotion. While in trading, it's always giving you a reminder that you shouldn't do that with your trades as if it's a very serious matter to be taken.

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August 15, 2023, 10:57:44 PM
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What i do consider trading based on chance, which is no different from gambling, is when some one with no knowledge enters a futures market, place orders and deep in their head, they don't know exactly what they are doing, in-fact, they within themselves know that they are just guessing the market and hoping they are right with their guess, this is what i call trading based on chance., which equals to gambling.


You are right, mate, trading is not really gambling, but only the trader can choose for themselves how they want to carry out their trading, and for a trader that handles trading as if it's gambling, there is a very low chance of making successful trades, and it can get to a point when they will also be chasing losses like gamblers do. This is very common among some newbie futures traders and some newbie forex traders. It's obvious that one can minimise their risk in trading, but only if they are really skilled and know how to use the Trading tools. They can also stop losses and take profits, but in gambling, once you wager an amount, you can't stop losses and take a profit.

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August 16, 2023, 01:59:13 PM
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Just like the others said, Bitcoin trading and gambling is not the same, instead they are differ to one another in several reason. It is because in Bitcoin trading you don't need to rely on luck, in which means your doing it because you know that in the long run yiu can get a nice profit if you are a long-term holder or short-term trader.

While in gambling, you are risking your capital fund were your not sure if your going to win to gain in the end. Where in short you are relying on luck only to win in the game. And Bitcoin trading is not a game like you think.



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August 16, 2023, 03:30:19 PM
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If you trade with emotions so yeah, trading and gambling are the same. But if you know the basics, you understand the only mutual thing is the risk.

Trading and gambling are two different things, either with emotions or not, what you will have to understand is their differences and the risk as you've mentioned already, being emotional is what can lead to any of the trading experience or gambling but that doesn't mean they are thesame, if you trade you earn with a little probability of loosing small amount of money, if you gamble you're liable to loose the whole money, trading is an investment while gambling a liability as some may believed.

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August 16, 2023, 07:29:49 PM
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Just like the others said, Bitcoin trading and gambling is not the same, instead they are differ to one another in several reason. It is because in Bitcoin trading you don't need to rely on luck, in which means your doing it because you know that in the long run yiu can get a nice profit if you are a long-term holder or short-term trader.

While in gambling, you are risking your capital fund were your not sure if your going to win to gain in the end. Where in short you are relying on luck only to win in the game. And Bitcoin trading is not a game like you think.
Prices can move unpredictably but we still can do something to make our trades successful so I guess I can agree that it's not the same as gambling. Maybe there are other variations of trading which are more riskier and can be classified the same as gambling because we mostly need luck there than skill.

Trading and being a long-term holder are not the same so you shouldn't mix both of them. Long-term holder can be the same as investing but you are right, that you can be able to earn a profit on it in the long run just like it name says. Trading on the other hand is the opposite of it. In some forms of gambling like for example sports betting. I think it's possible to have a good confidence here but sometimes it can't do anything and we can still end up as a loser but even with trading, we can lose there as well. Both still has their own risks.

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August 16, 2023, 09:44:37 PM
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Their is no similarities between trading and gambling, its us that seen gambling as trading and why we do think of such is because of the risk that is involve in both, but if you are practicing trading you will know that the difference is pure and it's understandable because trading is a skill and we have to learn and understand the real things between trading and gambling is the point I made, because gambling have no skill you can acquire and claim and be proud of it, why in trading it requires skill, time and concentration, when people discuss that gambling is as same like trading, I do disagree with them.

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August 16, 2023, 11:58:27 PM
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Just like the others said, Bitcoin trading and gambling is not the same, instead they are differ to one another in several reason. It is because in Bitcoin trading you don't need to rely on luck, in which means your doing it because you know that in the long run yiu can get a nice profit if you are a long-term holder or short-term trader.

While in gambling, you are risking your capital fund were your not sure if your going to win to gain in the end. Where in short you are relying on luck only to win in the game. And Bitcoin trading is not a game like you think.
Prices can move unpredictably but we still can do something to make our trades successful so I guess I can agree that it's not the same as gambling. Maybe there are other variations of trading which are more riskier and can be classified the same as gambling because we mostly need luck there than skill.

Trading and being a long-term holder are not the same so you shouldn't mix both of them. Long-term holder can be the same as investing but you are right, that you can be able to earn a profit on it in the long run just like it name says. Trading on the other hand is the opposite of it. In some forms of gambling like for example sports betting. I think it's possible to have a good confidence here but sometimes it can't do anything and we can still end up as a loser but even with trading, we can lose there as well. Both still has their own risks.
Trading is totally different on how its been executed and how strategies and analysis could be applied on which it is really that totally different in speaking about gambling. Yes, both things do involved risks which means that you would really be still needing to be careful but in overall if we do make out some comparison in between leisure or entertainment things on something like trading which considered to be that an investment or something that you could really be able to make profits if its done right. You would eventually be able to make compare about risk level and how it should be taken.

Gamble if you do look for entertainment and trade if you are going after for long term engagement on which can potentially bring out some profits if its done right. Although there are some gambling games
like poker and sports betting on which you could apply some strategy which it could be also good to be acting as a source of income and make a living with it but we know that not all would really be
ending up successful on this career. This is why it would really be just a trial and error basis. You would be making up some focus if you do find out that it is really that progressive on your side.

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August 17, 2023, 10:43:33 AM
 #134

Just like the others said, Bitcoin trading and gambling is not the same, instead they are differ to one another in several reason. It is because in Bitcoin trading you don't need to rely on luck, in which means your doing it because you know that in the long run yiu can get a nice profit if you are a long-term holder or short-term trader.

While in gambling, you are risking your capital fund were your not sure if your going to win to gain in the end. Where in short you are relying on luck only to win in the game. And Bitcoin trading is not a game like you think.
Prices can move unpredictably but we still can do something to make our trades successful so I guess I can agree that it's not the same as gambling. Maybe there are other variations of trading which are more riskier and can be classified the same as gambling because we mostly need luck there than skill.

Trading and being a long-term holder are not the same so you shouldn't mix both of them. Long-term holder can be the same as investing but you are right, that you can be able to earn a profit on it in the long run just like it name says. Trading on the other hand is the opposite of it. In some forms of gambling like for example sports betting. I think it's possible to have a good confidence here but sometimes it can't do anything and we can still end up as a loser but even with trading, we can lose there as well. Both still has their own risks.
Trading is totally different on how its been executed and how strategies and analysis could be applied on which it is really that totally different in speaking about gambling. Yes, both things do involved risks which means that you would really be still needing to be careful but in overall if we do make out some comparison in between leisure or entertainment things on something like trading which considered to be that an investment or something that you could really be able to make profits if its done right. You would eventually be able to make compare about risk level and how it should be taken.

Gamble if you do look for entertainment and trade if you are going after for long term engagement on which can potentially bring out some profits if its done right. Although there are some gambling games
like poker and sports betting on which you could apply some strategy which it could be also good to be acting as a source of income and make a living with it but we know that not all would really be
ending up successful on this career. This is why it would really be just a trial and error basis. You would be making up some focus if you do find out that it is really that progressive on your side.
To be crystal clear there's much of a difference between gambling and trading.
In gambling a lot of things that will determine your ability to win and make profit out of it is chiefly tied to luck. You can hardly hear of anyone saying he started winning trades making profits from it out if the blue without much knowledge of crypto trading, on a more serious note it's rare.

But at different times we have heard people testimonials of how their start with gambling was all a success in all their first three to five bets or more, in such statements you can picture luck coming into play at the center of it all but that's not the case with trading, it takes more than just luck to win your trades.

So lets not confuse the similarities between the two and assume both to be same venture. They could both involve risk taking but they're of different dimension and technicality.



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August 18, 2023, 06:10:04 AM
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In the end, none of this is certain. whatever you do, then it won't be sure. no one knows that 100%. If you look at the uncertainty, then everything will be the same, even business or real estate. Who knew that opening a business or owning real estate would end in success. So many people have also lost money because of it.
However, if you look at the difference between trading and gambling there is a lot. Like in gambling, you don't need to do analysis, you just have to play and have fun. it is 100% guess. Besides, if you lose, then you will lose 100% of the money you have. While Trading, you will not lose all the assets you have, only the "value" will decrease due to certain circumstances, whether it's due to FUD or other things. Because of this, in trading, we are very emphasized to do analysis and make decisions.

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August 18, 2023, 06:22:28 AM
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In the end, none of this is certain. whatever you do, then it won't be sure. no one knows that 100%. If you look at the uncertainty, then everything will be the same, even business or real estate. Who knew that opening a business or owning real estate would end in success. So many people have also lost money because of it.
However, if you look at the difference between trading and gambling there is a lot. Like in gambling, you don't need to do analysis, you just have to play and have fun. it is 100% guess. Besides, if you lose, then you will lose 100% of the money you have. While Trading, you will not lose all the assets you have, only the "value" will decrease due to certain circumstances, whether it's due to FUD or other things. Because of this, in trading, we are very emphasized to do analysis and make decisions.

But if you don't take risks, then you won't earn any, like in business or real estate, where you've stated those people who take risks because they want a return and are hoping that their business will be successful. It is really a guess in gambling and luck, but there is still strategy, but again, comparing to trading, it is really far because in gambling, even if you have strategy, you still lose, whereas in trading, you will lessen your probability of losing, so it is really still good to learn trading as it requires time, unlike gambling, where you can play even if you don't know how to play it as there are simple instructions on it.
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August 18, 2023, 04:32:37 PM
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Holding bitcoin is not the same thing as trading bitcoin. Gambling and trading are not the same thing too. Trading require you to learn trading skills but gambling require just some strategies. Trading can be risky like gambling, but they are not the same thing. If the price of bitcoin fall already, you can invest for months or years and you will most likely gain.
Trading is risky like gambling but not as risky as gambling.  When a trader makes a wrong entry in trading then his balance is not 0 and he has a chance to recover the loss by holding those coins.  But in case of gambling, if one makes a wrong decision, his balance immediately becomes 0 and if he wins the bet, he gets the profit according to the odds. So these two things are not the same there is a big difference between them. However, leverage trading can be said to be a form of gambling, but spot trading is never like gambling
For those who trade in panic and are more addicted to futures trading or margin trading, trading behaves like gambling, but trading does not behave like gambling for everyone. Trading is a type of digital business so it cannot be compared to gambling in any way. And some more difference between gambling and trading is that gambling is a bad addiction and it can make anyone addicted very easily but trading can't make anyone addicted very quickly. It is not easy to quit gambling but it is easy to quit trading

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August 18, 2023, 04:51:04 PM
 #138

Holding bitcoin is not the same thing as trading bitcoin. Gambling and trading are not the same thing too. Trading require you to learn trading skills but gambling require just some strategies. Trading can be risky like gambling, but they are not the same thing. If the price of bitcoin fall already, you can invest for months or years and you will most likely gain.
Trading is risky like gambling but not as risky as gambling.  When a trader makes a wrong entry in trading then his balance is not 0 and he has a chance to recover the loss by holding those coins.  But in case of gambling, if one makes a wrong decision, his balance immediately becomes 0 and if he wins the bet, he gets the profit according to the odds. So these two things are not the same there is a big difference between them. However, leverage trading can be said to be a form of gambling, but spot trading is never like gambling
For those who trade in panic and are more addicted to futures trading or margin trading, trading behaves like gambling, but trading does not behave like gambling for everyone. Trading is a type of digital business so it cannot be compared to gambling in any way. And some more difference between gambling and trading is that gambling is a bad addiction and it can make anyone addicted very easily but trading can't make anyone addicted very quickly. It is not easy to quit gambling but it is easy to quit trading
Futures trading and margin trading are not entirely the same thing. Margin trading in Binance can take maximum 5x leverage and trade is closed when balance is 20% but future trading can take leverage up to 125x and trade is not closed till 0 balance. And in case of losing in gambling also bet amount is gone and balance is 0 so future trading can be compared to gambling but margin trading cannot be completely compared to gambling. on the other hand spot trading is completely gambling free

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August 18, 2023, 05:30:22 PM
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They both might share some common elements, but they are contrasting activities. With trading you often need strategic decision-making, analysis and research, while gambling is all about stakes. Crypto trading offers vast opportunities and risk free events like KCGI trading contest unlike gambling where you only rely on luck and chance
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August 22, 2023, 02:45:52 AM
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Holding bitcoin is not the same thing as trading bitcoin. Gambling and trading are not the same thing too. Trading require you to learn trading skills but gambling require just some strategies. Trading can be risky like gambling, but they are not the same thing. If the price of bitcoin fall already, you can invest for months or years and you will most likely gain.
Trading is risky like gambling but not as risky as gambling.  When a trader makes a wrong entry in trading then his balance is not 0 and he has a chance to recover the loss by holding those coins.  But in case of gambling, if one makes a wrong decision, his balance immediately becomes 0 and if he wins the bet, he gets the profit according to the odds. So these two things are not the same there is a big difference between them. However, leverage trading can be said to be a form of gambling, but spot trading is never like gambling
There is no decision-making in gambling unless you are betting on a sports event, but if you are playing a game, it is all based on your luck because all you do is click a button and wait to see the outcome, if you are lucky, you will get a win and if you are unlucky at that particular time, you will lose the bet. When it comes to trading, if you are trading in the spot market, you basically have the possibility to hold your assets even if they are in loss so that you can sell them when the price recovers.

And, when you are trading in futures, you should make trades based on research and analysis and then decide which way the market will move, you can choose lower leverage to lower the risk of getting liquidated and you should have a tight stop-loss to avoid losing a lot of money in case the market moves the opposite way.

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