Wasabi wallet data privacy questions

[Z-tight]

What's in the fine print between zkSNACKs & Coinfirm matters to users. Is it available? Kruw's saying Wasabi wallet isn't taking data collection but he hasn't said what Coinfirm's doing with data.

You are surely free to ask questions, but i don't think you'll get any honest response from this user about all the questions you've been asking, you can follow the discussion in this topic and you'll get most of the honest info that you want, as for the rest, we do not know because Wasabi is keeping it a secret, even reasons why you can be blacklisted is a secret. It is just better not to use wasabi and forget about it.

At this point, I think Kruw is only defending the Wasabi project from bias, because he is a contributor.

It has been clear from the beginning. The backlash wouldn't have been this much if wasabi and this user too just admit that with blacklisting certain UTXO they are not working in line with what BTC stands for... and some other consoling statements along those lines, it will put an end to the case asap, though wasabi would still not be recommended, but to still be arguing that they are the ultimate privacy solution for BTC is really malicious.

[arabspaceship123]

What's in the fine print between zkSNACKs & Coinfirm matters to users. Is it available?

No, it's secret. Wasabi won't even tell you something as basic as why your coins are being censored. They certainly aren't going to tell you what is in the small print of their agreements.

If it's a secret it's another reason why Wasabi gets negative rep. It's important info they shouldn't be hiding from users.

Kruw's saying Wasabi wallet isn't taking data collection but he hasn't said what Coinfirm's doing with data.

He is deliberately not answering that because either he doesn't know, or he does know and it's awful as I described above. If he does respond to this direct question, I fully expect him just to repeat his same nonsense sound bites.

Kruw's busy giving answers in threads he's inundated with questions about Wasabi's data. I respect him I don't have a bad impression of Kruw. He's believing in Wasabi Wallet so I'll respect him for defending it but if he doesn't know it's better he says.

If we don't know what Coinfirm's doing with data they've received from zkSNACKs we can't be satisfied it isn't spying outside the scope of blockchain analyis for coinjoin.

What's in the fine print between zkSNACKs & Coinfirm matters to users. Is it available?

We don't even know for sure it's Coinfirm.  The community in this place and in Twitter had reached in that conclusion, but they have not made it official.

Didn't Kruw says it's Coinfirm?

What's in the fine print between zkSNACKs & Coinfirm matters to users. Is it available? Kruw's saying Wasabi wallet isn't taking data collection but he hasn't said what Coinfirm's doing with data.

It is just better not to use wasabi and forget about it.

I've used it recently for tests but else don't use Wasabi wallet. I've done the same with Sparrow wallet when I've tested it. I'm stacking sats so I'm a small saver using Electrum wallet so I'm asking about Wasabi Wallet because I'm interested learning about wallets, mixers, TXID, blockchains

[Z-tight]

If it's a secret it's another reason why Wasabi gets negative rep. It's important info they shouldn't be hiding from users.

That is exactly one of the points, or maybe they don't even have concrete reasons to tell, they just spy on you and then decide whether you have a right to their CoinJoin or not.

Kruw's busy giving answers in threads he's inundated with questions about Wasabi's data. I respect him I don't have a bad impression of Kruw. He's believing in Wasabi Wallet so I'll respect him for defending it but if he doesn't know it's better he says.

I don't have a problem if people defend who they represent, but there are flaws that are just so obvious that it becomes so malicious to continue defending. It is obvious you lose privacy when you use Wasabi's CoinJoin, because they use your fee to pay a blockchain analysis company to spy on you, they are working contrary to how BTC is supposed to work, how can one continue to argue against the fact and claim they are the ultimate privacy solution?

Didn't Kruw says it's Coinfirm?

No.

[Medusah]

The backlash wouldn't have been this much if wasabi and this user too just admit that with blacklisting certain UTXO they are not working in line with what BTC stands for... and some other consoling statements along those lines, it will put an end to the case asap, though wasabi would still not be recommended, but to still be arguing that they are the ultimate privacy solution for BTC is really malicious.

This is the unfortunate consequence of being biased.  You will support the policy your money depend on; moral standards secondary.  We have no idea how much money they are making out of this, but judging by the many partnerships with Wasabi, I believe lots.  Even achow101, one of the most active Bitcoin developers, is sponsored by Wasabi to do live streams in Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1886617304

[o_e_l_e_o]

It's important info they shouldn't be hiding from users.

They also shouldn't be surveilling or censoring their users, but here we are.

Didn't Kruw says it's Coinfirm?

No one from Wasabi has ever confirmed nor denied it is Coinfirm. We are assuming as much because of this code in the Wasabi codebase: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457078.msg62438954#msg62438954

so I'm asking about Wasabi Wallet because I'm interested learning about wallets, mixers, TXID, blockchains

You've learnt enough about Wasabi to know they are an enemy of bitcoin and no one should ever use them. You can move on to learning about other topics now.

[arabspaceship123]

Didn't Kruw says it's Coinfirm?

No one from Wasabi has ever confirmed nor denied it is Coinfirm. We are assuming as much because of this code in the Wasabi codebase: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457078.msg62438954#msg62438954

When I've mentioned Coinfirm to Kruw he hasn't denied so I've assumed it's them. It isn't about the codebase it's about Kruw didn't deny they're using Coinfirm.

so I'm asking about Wasabi Wallet because I'm interested learning about wallets, mixers, TXID, blockchains

You've learnt enough about Wasabi to know they are an enemy of bitcoin and no one should ever use them. You can move on to learning about other topics now.

Thanks o_e_l_e_o I've moved on to other topics but there's one question Kruw hasn't answered. I'd like to read his answer. When Coinfirm's in possession of addresses to run analysis what else are they doing with them. I'll ask Kruw for the answer.

Other topics to learn include Monero so I've put a I'm about to test Monero so should I use gui wallet or light wallet thread. I wanted to test Bisq after my Monero review but if I'm going to download the pruned blockchain it's possible I'll test Bisq first.

[Pmalek]

The passion that Kruw shows in defending Wasabi's business model is amazing to me. He has no problem defending a so-called privacy tool that asks a non-privacy entity to check if selective privacy is allowed for user X. Before privacy is approved, the user's privacy will be violated by checking the history of their UTXOs and finding as much information as possible. If the history is considered to be bad and checks any of the secret checkmarks no one knows anything about, the person using the privacy tool (for privacy reasons) will be rejected. Amazing! 

[arabspaceship123]

Kruw's passionately defending Wasabi wallet but it won't be simple to forget what zkSNACKs did. Their lost rep isn't coming back. As a mixer they'll never reset relations with users it's over. Other coinjoin options exist so they'll grow but Wasabi's going to lose users.

I've waited for Kruw to answer about what Coinfirm does with addresses but he didn't reply so I'm locking the thread.