Mixin Safe (Decentralized Multisig+MPC+Timelock solution) review preperation

[AB de Royse777]

There will be a review campaign for Mixin Safe in the next few days. I am working on the review terms and conditions. For each review, 0.003 BTC (at current price it's $90+) will be rewarded.

The service is not like our usual services we see in gambling or mixing projects. It's a very different service. That's why I thought to have this topic so that everyone who will be interested in the review campaign can check the service and prepare mentally. We will have a tight deadline but I think it will be enough for reviewers to submit their review.

Please ask any questions if you have about using the product. I will request the management to guide you if needed.

We will have a total 100 members in the review which means almost everyone who will apply will have a chance to get the reward. The funds for the entire campaign has been already secured to my escrow wallet.

Product discussion on Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459401.0

[Obari]

Great and I will looking forward to helping  test them out and I also want to say that I have a good few reviews I've help done in the past and I will also love to help review the security of your service as it stated to be decentralized and in your product  discussion, also stated that there will be a third party  involved, which contradicts what decentralization means, frrom a lame man's understanding,  as he wouldn't want to hear of the word third-party in what promises to offer privacy.

Good luck mixing safe and looking forward to help with your review.

[Stalker22]

100 participants for a review campaign? I think this will be the biggest review campaign on the forum as far as I know.

I hope that the reviewers will have the opportunity to test the service without paying a subscription, because I see that the price of the service starts at $100 per year. But, I will wait to see the exact conditions of the campaign.

[dkbit98]

There will be a review campaign for Mixing Safe in the next few days.

Is it Mixin Safe or Mxing Safe?  
I am checking their website right now to see what is all about in next few days.
One thing I really don't like from start  is that I have to use my phone number to use Mixin app 

We will have a total 100 members in the review which means almost everyone who will apply will have a chance to get the reward.

All 100 members will receive 0.003 BTC, or only selected few of them, since you say they will have a chance, sounds more like some lucky draw?

[AB de Royse777]

Is it Mixin Safe or Mxing Safe?  

Thank you. It has been taken cared.

One thing I really don't like from start  is that I have to use my phone number to use Mixin app  

I will see if I can do something about it.

All 100 members will receive 0.003 BTC, or only selected few of them, since you say they will have a chance, sounds more like some lucky draw?

Assuming we will have 100+ members over 5+ pages of applications. Each of them who will be accepted for the review will receive 0.003 BTC each in their wallet with a deadline of around 7 days to complete their reviews :-D

I am planning to make it 25 reviews in each batch. There will be 4 batches of reviewers. Each batch will have 7 days time to submit their reviews.

I hope that the reviewers will have the opportunity to test the service without paying a subscription, because I see that the price of the service starts at $100 per year. But, I will wait to see the exact conditions of the campaign.

Maybe download the app and start checking their features to prepare yourself for the review you will plan.

[PX-Z]

Sounds like a mixer yet it is not, more like a paid wallet service with a high transaction fee or i say service fee. But let's see since the site/service needs reviews.

[joniboini]

Sounds like a mixer yet it is not, more like a paid wallet service with a high transaction fee or i say service fee. But let's see since the site/service needs reviews.

They said they are not a mixing service on their ann thread. Basically, a wallet app that claims to offer a better way for multi-sig so that their users can recover their funds as long as they have one of their keys. They hold one of them, just like other services in this field. CMIIW.

The name Mixin is not unfamiliar to me. I probably use one of their services in the past (Mixin Messenger) but I can't really vouch for their security, reliability, etc. I only used them for a short time. I'll probably participate if the process does not need personal info or something similar.

[Agbe]

Sounds like a mixer yet it is not, more like a paid wallet service with a high transaction fee or i say service fee. But let's see since the site/service needs reviews.

I just made a glanced on the website, and I think the features are good and just that they have not linked the features to their appropriate menus. Let wait the launch of the review site to see the rules and  the content of it. I was also thinking that is a mixer company but it was when I checked the website that I noticed it was not a mixer. And really 100 participants are many but it is good to know different point of views on a review.

[Gencecikmen]

The biggest review campaign as far as I seen. I hope I can be a part of this review too. I will looking forward to testing.

[hugeblack]

I searched quickly about this service.

Personally, I do not like miniscript, and with the limited number of wallets that support this technology, recent ledger miniscript vulnerability^[1], Ledger Recovery^[2], and their price policies^[3], I expect that the number of users for this service will be very few and limited, and thus achieving a return from it will be difficult.
It is true that they avoid a single point of failure, and in theory their service is decentralized and better than Ledger Recovery, but such services will achieve greater success if they are from one of the producers of hardware wallets. In general, we will see future development, especially if P2TR is added.

I honestly don't know but I think it is hard to find 100 BTT account can join to the review campaign, or if I understood it incorrectly.  


[1] https://donjon.ledger.com/lsb/019/
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452900.0
[3] https://safe.mixin.zone/pricing

[Faisal2202]

The biggest review campaign as far as I seen. I hope I can be a part of this review too. I will looking forward to testing.

Nah it's not because whirlwind review compaign was Paying 100$ too, well i am so excited for this review compaign. As, lets see when it will go live looking forward. I think the name is little bit confusing because i thought its some kind of mixer.

[coupable]

The biggest review campaign as far as I seen. I hope I can be a part of this review too. I will looking forward to testing.

Usually, review campaigns run by Royse777 are strictly regulated, so they are not available to everyone.  Therefore, most users will not be able to participate, and this will increase your chances of being accepted into this campaign.  
Then do not forget that the amount that will be paid for each review is not small, and therefore I expect that the conditions for creating the evaluation will not be easy and not within the reach of everyone.
Good to everybody willing to join and congratulations for the wallet project for choosing their advertisment strategy to be managed by Royse777. This would ensure honesty and credibility.

[cedricfung]

100 participants for a review campaign? I think this will be the biggest review campaign on the forum as far as I know.

I hope that the reviewers will have the opportunity to test the service without paying a subscription, because I see that the price of the service starts at $100 per year. But, I will wait to see the exact conditions of the campaign.

Hi, from the Mixin Safe team. The price shows on the website are meant to be the pricing proposal when product fully launched.

For test, the price is very cheap, starts at $2 per year, and it includes a free transaction to send, so $2 is the minimum cost for a tester.

One thing I really don't like from start  is that I have to use my phone number to use Mixin app  

Think we already talked about the product in the ANN topic.  For the test, I believe you have no need to worry about this. Before the anonymous number feature is fully rollout, you may use some phone number services on the Internet to get a random phone number just for a single SMS. Then you can begin the test, just you know that you may lose the account access because you don't own the random phone number, and if you like the product you can change the number to our Mixin Anonymous Number once it's launched in upcoming months.

I searched quickly about this service.

Personally, I do not like miniscript, and with the limited number of wallets that support this technology, recent ledger miniscript vulnerability^[1], Ledger Recovery^[2], and their price policies^[3], I expect that the number of users for this service will be very few and limited, and thus achieving a return from it will be difficult.
It is true that they avoid a single point of failure, and in theory their service is decentralized and better than Ledger Recovery, but such services will achieve greater success if they are from one of the producers of hardware wallets. In general, we will see future development, especially if P2TR is added.

I honestly don't know but I think it is hard to find 100 BTT account can join to the review campaign, or if I understood it incorrectly. 


[1] https://donjon.ledger.com/lsb/019/
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452900.0
[3] https://safe.mixin.zone/pricing

Miniscript is expensive, that's the reason I don't like it. But it's the only standard that all hardware wallets are going to support, at least for now I can find announcements from BitBox02, Blockstream Jade, SeedSigner, and Coldcard have released miniscript demo.

Miniscript is a intermediate language that will translate to Bitcoin native script, so as long as the native script translated to is secure, the wallet should be secure.

Mixin Safe doesn't only support hardware wallets, also software wallets. Because from my opinion, Mixin Safe can already provides great security with Bitcoin Core or Mornin Key as the owner wallet, and I believe more and more software wallets will support Miniscript in the futuer.

[examplens]

Is it Mixin Safe or Mxing Safe?  

Thank you. It has been taken cared.

Now I'm totally confused here. Royse777 seems to have added "g" and changed to "mixing" (judging by topic subject), but in their topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459401.0 the name of the project seems to be "Mixin Safe", without the "g".
What is the final name?

Mixin Safe doesn't only support hardware wallets, also software wallets. Because from my opinion, Mixin Safe can already provides great security with Bitcoin Core or Mornin Key as the owner wallet, and I believe more and more software wallets will support Miniscript in the futuer.

Why do you choose Ledger hardware wallet as part of some packages when they have completely lost confidence by offering some very risky and unsafe possibilities?

[cedricfung]

Mixin Safe doesn't only support hardware wallets, also software wallets. Because from my opinion, Mixin Safe can already provides great security with Bitcoin Core or Mornin Key as the owner wallet, and I believe more and more software wallets will support Miniscript in the futuer.

Why do you choose Ledger hardware wallet as part of some packages when they have completely lost confidence by offering some very risky and unsafe possibilities?

The whole product of  Mixin Safe is still in test phase, including the pricing packages. We included ledger a few months ago when it's the only hardware wallet that supported miniscript wallet policy.

[Latviand]

What do you require for this review campaign? I want to try my hands on doing a review. Is the application the same as if you're applying for a signature campaign? And can the signature campaign participants apply? When's the application starting and will it be in Services board?

Edit: Removed the mixing part

[yhiaali3]

What do you require for this review campaign? I want to try my hands on doing a review. Is the application the same as if you're applying for a signature campaign? And can the signature campaign participants apply? When's the application starting and will it be in Services board?

Edit: Removed the mixing part

Terms and conditions for a review campaign for Mixing Safe will be announced in the next few days as mentioned by the OP.

Also I expect the application to be like signature campaigns usually, where members apply and those who are accepted can do the review.

I'd like to point out that "Mixing Safe" is not a mixing service but rather an "easy to use Bitcoin multisig wallet with timelocked recovery key for a long time" as mentioned in the product thread.

[AB de Royse777]

Is it Mixin Safe or Mxing Safe?  

Thank you. It has been taken cared.

Now I'm totally confused here. Royse777 seems to have added "g" and changed to "mixing" (judging by topic subject), but in their topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459401.0 the name of the project seems to be "Mixin Safe", without the "g".
What is the final name?

dkbit98, all curses upon you and may all good angels are with you :-P
To be honest it's my fault. I was not much conscious. Thanks both of you to make me confuse and then to pay better attention :-D

The review campaign is live!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5460259.0

I would love to see you all taking a part in it.
Cheers,

[examplens]

The review campaign is live!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5460259.0

I would love to see you all taking a part in it.
Cheers,

Looking at this topic and the one that was opened in the project development board, a lot of observations and reactions have already been made. 

[hugeblack]

Miniscript is expensive, that's the reason I don't like it. But it's the only standard that all hardware wallets are going to support, at least for now I can find announcements from BitBox02, Blockstream Jade, SeedSigner, and Coldcard have released miniscript demo.

Miniscript is a intermediate language that will translate to Bitcoin native script, so as long as the native script translated to is secure, the wallet should be secure.

by using P2TR you will reduce the costs but in general, people are lazy to read the codes, so I think we may reach a stage of modernization in which there are hacking, just as happened with some bridges.

Let's continue the discussion on project development page.
 

Looking at this topic and the one that was opened in the project development board, a lot of observations and reactions have already been made. 

Although I agree with you but I am surprised by the number of people who have applied for review Campaign, approximately 120 members, have access to hardware wallets or run bitcoincore and are willing to activate the service with them phone number.
I hope they read the terms of service and was not random.