Request for the merit source for the Polish board

[The Sceptical Chymist]

To be honest, I just don't like the idea of giving merits on local boards. I am sorry if I sound like a bad guy but I would say that local boards feel the national pride and duty to help each-other to rank up and give merits to their compatriots.

That's definitely a contrarian viewpoint, and though I certainly understand your point about nationalistic favoritism, the fact is that this forum is a global one and not everyone here speaks English well, if at all.  And though I don't know this for sure, I think most existing merit sources cover one or two languages at most, and English is usually one of them.

Where does that leave members of a board like the Polish one, the members of which might not have a lot of merits to spread around?  Well, it leads to the situation that OP described, a board that has (presumably) a lot of good posts that are going unmerited.  Personally I've always supported local board merit sources, and I think each one should have at least one source on the lookout for good posts.  As far as the national pride thing goes....these are only merits we're talking about, languages a minority of members speak, and if it were my country that had a local board with abysmal merit distribution I'd be asking Theymos to appoint someone to be a merit source for my community. 

Shoot, I'd help out the Polish board if I spoke Polish, but I don't.  Therein lies the problem, no?

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[Crypto Library]

To be honest, I just don't like the idea of giving merits on local boards. I am sorry if I sound like a bad guy but I would say that local boards feel the national pride and duty to help each-other to rank up and give merits to their compatriots.
I think the situation is following: People from poor countries help each-other to rank up to participate in signature campaigns with high payroll. That's probably why I see that person only gets merits from local boards while his/her posts in English language never get rewarded. This isn't fair and probably destroys the main idea of merit system on this forum.
Correct me if I am wrong, I have no problem with that but this is just what I see and notice.

What you mentioned is not actually false, because merit system is being misused in many places.
But we also have to keep in mind that Local boards are also a part of the forum and it's not that Shit posters roam here all the time. There are many good posters also, they spread their own community about Bitcoin and Crypto Currency by providing various information about its update or new technologies, which is a little easy to understand for many peoples.
And since the topic is Merits Sourcehere, I will say that Merits sources are given to those persons who will never abuse merit, because not everyone can be merit source and that's why only 110 people out of 3.57 million users are merit sources. Moreover, DT members are there to give red lights to their hand who abuse merits after getting merit from sources.
And I think there is no crime to join the signature campaign by getting merit and ranking up. Because the signature campaign is given for this reason, selected users are getting money through the signature campaign, and I think money is the best incentive for doing something good.

[philipma1957]

No idea if/what is the official process for requesting this, but Polish local board could really use another merit source.
To my understanding, we currently have only 1 source (malevolent) who is hardly active on this forum.

The stats say it all (credit to Rikafip), it's the local board with the worst merit/post ratio, despite high quality posts:

So I'd like to nominate any of the most active (and well respected) top 3 posters:
Tytanowy Janusz
wwzsocki
cygan

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

Good idea, and I matched your 14 merits and raised you 2 with the hope that OP will spread the paltry 8 sMerits that results from that around the Polish board since I obviously can't.  I don't usually act as a merit source like this, but I get the sense that pawel7777 started this thread with good intentions and isn't going to hoard the merits he got.

Americans, you know.  We only know how to speak English; that's a stereotype, but it's one that's pretty accurate if you're talking about the typical Walmart shopper.  Blame the isolation and the education system here for that, and I'm a good example of a single-language American by the way, so I'm not throwing stones from a glass house.

[wwzsocki]

I gave you and the others 14 merits each...

Thank you mate, this is like merit stimulus for our local board

...Hope some one gets appointed.

fingers crossed

In the past we had 2 merit sources if I remember correctly not only @Malevolent but also @Rath_,

both of them spread merits pretty efficiently, unfortunately I haven't seen Rath_ on forum either,

I haven't checked their accounts yet, so maybe I am wrong and  Rath is here, at least occasionally

edit
just checked and Rath_ wasn't here from long time (1 month) just like Malevolent (4 months already)

[cygan]

I gave you and the others 14 merits each
✂

i also thank you for the merit rain. i also immediately took the opportunity to reward a newbie from the polish board for his interesting topics with several merits.

✂
Americans, you know.  We only know how to speak English; that's a stereotype, but it's one that's pretty accurate if you're talking about the typical Walmart shopper.  Blame the isolation and the education system here for that, and I'm a good example of a single-language American by the way, so I'm not throwing stones from a glass house.

that's the point and it looks like a few here can't appreciate this privilege - and that's very sad

[Tytanowy Janusz]

So I'd like to nominate any of the most active (and well respected) top 3 posters:
Tytanowy Janusz

Thank you for the nomination but even more thank you for creating this thread and taking care of our home, Polish section.
Thanks also for merit rain, I'm sure it'll be enough for a while.

But it seems to me that an even more important issue has been touched upon in passing here, namely the lack of moderation. our current moderator has been doing a great job for years, but he's been gone for 4 months. I hope he's okay and will be back on the forum soon, but until then a temporary replacement would be in order and I think it's even more of a priority than the merit source.

[Synchronice]

But you can clearly see that's not happening in Polish board as they had a measly 0.04 merits per post in June which is equal to Off-Topic merit/post ratio, and we all know what kind of discussions are going on there. Hell, even Announcements (Altcoins) board which is known for spam and shitposts had 2x of their merit post ratio.

I am not exclusively talking about Polish board, nor am I against anyone here. I'm just saying what happens sometimes, some weeks ago I noticed two guys, one from Indonesia and one from Nigeria, had tons of merits compared to their post count, got from local boards and they were posting absolutely nonsense on international boards. Probably it's my mistake that I didn't mark them because at some point I was like, I'll be a bad guy if I report them because they are from poor countries and probably it's their only way to escape.
Also, I had a case when one person replied me in his language and then, a minute later changed it into an English language (probably translated online).

Americans, you know.  We only know how to speak English; that's a stereotype, but it's one that's pretty accurate if you're talking about the typical Walmart shopper.  Blame the isolation and the education system here for that, and I'm a good example of a single-language American by the way, so I'm not throwing stones from a glass house.

You don't actually need to speak more than English It's pretty funny what you say because I plan to move in English-speaking country to improve my English pronunciation
Btw don't most of you also learn Spanish too?
Slightly off-topic: While one could say that American education system sucks, it's also true that average American earns way more than average European but at the same time spends way more on healthcare than European. I am still thinking whether it's better to live in America compared to west Europe, or not. In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth. The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay.

[Rikafip]

I am not exclusively talking about Polish board, nor am I against anyone here. I'm just saying what happens sometimes

Just because it happens sometimes, doesn't mean that there should be no local board merit sources at all. After all, local board merit sources rarely constrict themsleves to their own local board, at least from what I have noticed.

 

some weeks ago I noticed two guys, one from Indonesia and one from Nigeria, had tons of merits compared to their post count, got from local boards and they were posting absolutely nonsense on international boards. Probably it's my mistake that I didn't mark them because at some point I was like, I'll be a bad guy if I report them because they are from poor countries and probably it's their only way to escape.

You should have reported those posts, even though just because you think something is a nonsense, doesn't automatically mean it will be deleted as I (and probably everyone that is active reported) had my share of bad reports even though they were blatant nonsesne shitposts.

[wwzsocki]

...I am still thinking whether it's better to live in America compared to west Europe, or not. In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth. The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay.

you are 100% correct, I agree with you on this fully, I was living/working in few west European countries and all are the same "...The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay..." and all what is paid for overtime they collect back in much higher taxes,

better to not do any over hours if one work on a contract somewhere in hourly wage because there is no sense, tax is so high that in the end one will be paid for over hours even less as for regular 8 hours, despite on income check is stated that it was paid with 200% bonus for Sunday for example

so yes i agree "In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth" - situation is worse with each year, 20 years back it was different, especially for low-middle class with regular 8 hours jobs

Just because it happens sometimes, doesn't mean that there should be no local board merit sources at all. After all, local board merit sources rarely constrict themselves to their own local board, at least from what I have noticed.

Merit sources are especially necessary in local boards and Polish is the best example of what can happen when they're gone

[Synchronice]

...I am still thinking whether it's better to live in America compared to west Europe, or not. In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth. The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay.

you are 100% correct, I agree with you on this fully, I was living and working in few west European countries and all are the same "...The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay..." and all what one is paid for overtime they collect back in much higher taxes,

better to not do any over hours if one work on a contract somewhere in hourly wage because there is no sense, when you do it tax is so high that you will get per hour even less as for regular 8 hours, despite you see on income check that it was paid with 200% bonus for Sunday for example

so yes i agree "In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth" - situation is worse with each year, 20 years back it was different, especially for low-middle class with regular 8 hours job

Overtime work in Germany is a joke, you are still getting the same salary, not 50% more like in the USA and to be honest, it's still a questionable whether you get paid for your overtime or not.
Btw there is a thing that I have been thinking about lately: Work in delivery, for example in DHL on fixed contract, like, you get paid for 37.5 hours a week, doesn't matter whether you work more or less, you are getting paid for 37.5 hours a week. If you master car driving and streets where you have to deliver to, then you will finish your job in 5 hours but you are still getting paid for 7.5 hours of work. This way, you are have free 2.5 hour. If you work in tech at the same time, live near the post office and will be quickly at home, then you can work remotely as a freelancer. This way, you get all the benefits, like sick leave, 30 days paid vacation, etc. You can avoid to pay taxes as a freelancer, that's entirely possible but definitely I won't write it down. This combo sounds cool for me but it will be difficult at the same time.

[pawel7777]

This is how merit laundering happens: I post a normal or high quality post, then someone gives me 50 merits, so I'm left with 25 smerits, then I send 25 smerits to another compatriot, then he will receive 30 merits from merit source, then he sends me 10 merits and so on. I would say that most of the times, local board members send inadequate volume of merits to their compatriots. Btw it's hard to argue whether person deserves 1 merit, 2 merit or 50 merits because everyone can back it up simply: I felt so.

I do understand where you're coming from but few things to consider:
- Merit history is publicly available, so when you have few people sending all merits between each other that could actually work against them i.e. they could get rejected from signature campaigns if a manager cares to take a closer look.
- This is not unique to local boards and abuse (or in-group preference) could happen outside of local boards.
- Finally, the idea is (or should be) to have every board "covered" by someone who is a merit source, this doesn't mean that local board participants who are sources have to distribute all their sMerits there, they could do it on other boards. Distributable merits are not earmarked.

So it all boils down to whether the right people are chosen as sources and whether their monthly allowance is of the right size. And also to whether campaign managers are doing enough to fight spam/low-quality posts.

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

Massive thanks (and to others who merited). Much appreciated.

[Synchronice]

I do understand where you're coming from but few things to consider:
- Merit history is publicly available, so when you have few people sending all merits between each other that could actually work against them i.e. they could get rejected from signature campaigns if a manager cares to take a closer look.
- This is not unique to local boards and abuse (or in-group preference) could happen outside of local boards.
- Finally, the idea is (or should be) to have every board "covered" by someone who is a merit source, this doesn't mean that local board participants who are sources have to distribute all their sMerits there, they could do it on other boards. Distributable merits are not earmarked.

So it all boils down to whether the right people are chosen as sources and whether their monthly allowance is of the right size. And also to whether campaign managers are doing enough to fight spam/low-quality posts.

Maybe I was too tough here and probably you are right. Now I know what to do for the next time when I see merit abuse and I believe the ones who have power there, will act fairly and immediately.

Now you have 2 sMerits from me, use it on your local board. I have another 9 sMerits but will keep them for other people, but to be completely honest, this user called o_e_l_e_o just drains my sMerits. I know he has tons of merits and doesn't really need one, is probably the most merited person but this guy is so educated, so helpful and posts so many genuine posts, I just feel guilty if I don't merit him And still, I try not to merit him because wanna save them for other good people too

[vjudeu]

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

I added more merits, use them wisely on your local board.

I don't usually act as a merit source like this, but I get the sense that pawel7777 started this thread with good intentions and isn't going to hoard the merits he got.

I think acting like a merit source in this way is a good test for that community. As a user, you cannot promote someone to be the merit source, but you can give some merits, and then see, how they will distribute them.

Also, it is better, because it requires sacrificing some of your own merits (unless you are a source), and is more resistant to abuse: you gave something you earned by writing good posts, and you gave only a finite amount, and not the ability to merit everything endlessly.

[pawel7777]

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

I added more merits, use them wisely on your local board.

Wow, that's bold. Thanks a lot! And thanks to all the others who merited.
Just for the record, I didn't start this post to ask/beg for merits but just to flag the need for a merit source to the forum admins. But I'll do my best to share the merits I received on my local board. And since I received quite a lot and the activity on the Polish board is not very high, this should be enough for at least a few months.
I can already tell the merit activity this month is already MUCH better than it was in June.

[Synchronice]

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

I added more merits, use them wisely on your local board.

Wow, that's bold. Thanks a lot! And thanks to all the others who merited.
Just for the record, I didn't start this post to ask/beg for merits but just to flag the need for a merit source to the forum admins. But I'll do my best to share the merits I received on my local board. And since I received quite a lot and the activity on the Polish board is not very high, this should be enough for at least a few months.
I can already tell the merit activity this month is already MUCH better than it was in June.

Yes, I know you didn't start this thread to collect merits and you probably know my view about this topic, which slightly changed in this thread because of so many replies from some people that I respect there but I gave you a tiny drop of merits as an appreciation of what you intend to do. That's very good that you have a supply of a few months! Now, let's see the action 
Good luck!

[cygan]

i think we need a new moderator on the polish board rather than a merit source.
what the last days/weeks and months there for new (trash) topics have arisen, where any projects/airdrops or websites are being advertised... that takes so slowly out of hand and makes the whole polish board more confusing. here are a few examples:

• 🌟 Konstruktor produktów P2E / Marketplace / Blockchain Custom 🌟
• wymiana dostepami do primary market
• DogonSwap Airdrop is LIVE 📣
• "Władza zdecentralizowana: Wzmacnianie suwerenności narodowej poprzez innowacje
• dobre kasyna
• polskie sloty

these are all threads that have been created by new users who then simply have not and will not check in again
and since unfortunately our moderator malevolent has not been online for almost half a year, no one can delete these things and bring order back to the board

[EFS]

i think we need a new moderator on the polish board rather than a merit source.
what the last days/weeks and months there for new (trash) topics have arisen, where any projects/airdrops or websites are being advertised... that takes so slowly out of hand and makes the whole polish board more confusing. here are a few examples:

• 🌟 Konstruktor produktów P2E / Marketplace / Blockchain Custom 🌟
• wymiana dostepami do primary market
• DogonSwap Airdrop is LIVE 📣
• "Władza zdecentralizowana: Wzmacnianie suwerenności narodowej poprzez innowacje
• dobre kasyna
• polskie sloty

these are all threads that have been created by new users who then simply have not and will not check in again
and since unfortunately our moderator malevolent has not been online for almost half a year, no one can delete these things and bring order back to the board

Did you report these posts? All of them are Newbies but as a Patroller I don't see any report for them in the queue.
If you report these posts Patrollers and Global Moderators can act on them.


You can PM me the best posts monthly so I can evaluate them and send merit until you get a new merit source.

[wwzsocki]

I am bumping this thread because nothing changed in Polish board, we still don't have active merit source and new once are not nominated despite this request

Our moderator @Malevolent and also merit source wasn't on forum from 8 months, and we really need some more merits in our local board, luckily I have seen @Rath_ active, from what I know he was our second merit source, so maybe we will see some posts merited if he find time and still is merit source

also some moderation could be useful but this is maybe topic for another thread, just hope that if this will catch attention from forum stuff maybe they will also deal with it at the same time  

activity, merits, written posts, rewarded post - in one word activity on our local Polish board keep declining all the time and we already are on the last places in rankings published on forum, in my opinion this is also because of the lack of merit source. No chance for newbies to get some merits, don't mention to get so many to rank up, so many quit after they realize that

Luckily from few years there are few members that keep this local board alive, keep posting new threads, try to comment frequently, answer to newbies posts to keep them engaged and convince to stay for longer, but whiteout steady flow of fresh merits is hard to do it

hope that this thread will finally catch some attention from forum staff

[digaran]

How many smerits per month would get you guys going? 50, 100? I haven't seen any bias, or any signs of abuse from OP, it seems they are respectful and trustworthy, besides I don't think they need a lot. And if they don't have an active source, OP could be a good candidate.

Poland has been a country with talented people, who knows who can emerge from those unmerited newbies?