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July 25, 2023, 06:38:49 AM |
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They’re just trying to sell us their snake oil and make us believe we can get rich quick. Trading is definitely not for everyone. 99% who try will lose, so don't donate your hard-earned money to the 1% who know what they're doing. HODL!
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July 25, 2023, 07:23:09 AM |
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Trading is like gambling
It IS actual gambling, especially for us plebs. I don't care what "skill arguments and justifications" many people post because if there's any possibility that we'll lose money in something, then it's a gamble. Having said that, even starting a business is a gamble, and a leveraged gamble at that if you, as the entrepreneur, are using borrowed/loaned money. New business is gambling because one hasn't have the experience of the market challenge and you will not be fully prepared for the risk. Trading is gambling and only few traders make success in trading just the way gamble is. In trading one with always loss more than he gains. When you trade is like you are chasing shadows instead of hodli to make big profit. Newbies think trading is profitable and they rush into it without know the risk involved in it for professional traders,talk more of the newbies.What I have understand in bitcoin investment,it is better that you cherish your coins and keep hodli than you get greedy and gamble them off,think that you want to make profit with your coins. No, the point is more like, to start a business you need to borrow money, and to borrow money you need to have something as collateral as an assurance for the borrower, with you knowing that you might lose the collateral if your business fails. That's the gamble, and the probability of success for any new business is only 25% to live for 15 years. 75% of new businesses fail within 15 years.
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July 25, 2023, 08:41:55 AM |
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Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
With the few years of experience I've garnered in trading, I'm of the opinion that those who jump up and down on social media brandishing one paid signal group, articles, books or the other aren't actually profitable. They're mere marketers. Those who trade for a living don't have time for such unnecessary involvement on daily basis. Talking about those who think they can be self sufficient by solely learning on their own, my word to them is that they will easily and quickly burn out. In trading, no man is an island on his own. We need the knowledge of others to know where we truly stand. Cross fertilization of ideas is needed to help proper one further in life, trading especially.
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July 25, 2023, 11:01:05 AM |
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With the few years of experience I've garnered in trading, I'm of the opinion that those who jump up and down on social media brandishing one paid signal group, articles, books or the other aren't actually profitable. They're mere marketers. Those who trade for a living don't have time for such unnecessary involvement on daily basis.
Talking about those who think they can be self sufficient by solely learning on their own, my word to them is that they will easily and quickly burn out. In trading, no man is an island on his own. We need the knowledge of others to know where we truly stand. Cross fertilization of ideas is needed to help proper one further in life, trading especially.
They can learn from books, trading courses, videos, signal groups and can learn from warnings such as this topic. Unfortunately, learning by reading is not enough, never enough. They must experience with real trading practice which will help them to test knowledge they learn, test themselves including their deeply inside personal characteristics. Hopefully they won't be burned out before they learn enough and practice enough in this risky market. If they survive, they will have good future because where there are risks, there are great opportunities. That is such a sad thing but it is very true that they make a lot of money that way. I mean they end up just using fake signals, just signals based on some indicators that mean nothing which people can do themselves as well, and then they hope that those indicators hit.
It is necessary part for their adventure in cryptocurrency market as traders or investors. They can not mature in this market without such challenge. I have seen people who even delete their old stuff without shame, and if anyone catches them, they just delete those responses as well.
Not only about deleting failed trading signals. If you notice on Twitter, now X, there are influencing accounts which have habits of spreading fud but later will return to delete their tweets.
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July 25, 2023, 01:19:02 PM |
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Unfortunately, learning by reading is not enough, never enough. They must experience with real trading practice which will help them to test knowledge they learn, test themselves including their deeply inside personal characteristics. Exactly the point I buttressed there. Reading and all that are mere theories. Trading is essentially practical, not theory. This is why most people who talk about trading with all the razzmatazz never get to excel making profit because they don't have a good handle on trading. It's like a medical doctor who's good at book work but never gets to perform surgeries. His mindset won't be like one who has been performing surgeries all years. This is why I criticize those who think trading is a shortcut to making it big. It's never. It requires practical hardwork and patience.
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July 25, 2023, 09:29:38 PM |
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Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
With the few years of experience I've garnered in trading, I'm of the opinion that those who jump up and down on social media brandishing one paid signal group, articles, books or the other aren't actually profitable. They're mere marketers. Those who trade for a living don't have time for such unnecessary involvement on daily basis. Talking about those who think they can be self sufficient by solely learning on their own, my word to them is that they will easily and quickly burn out. In trading, no man is an island on his own. We need the knowledge of others to know where we truly stand. Cross fertilization of ideas is needed to help proper one further in life, trading especially. Yes, this is on point on which usually those videos and offerings that could be seen online are to those people who doesnt trade at all.Just like on what you have said that true traders wont really be having the time on marketing out neither of their ebooks and there methods and ways of their trading just to get some peanut amounts? There's no much sense on doing so and this is why it would really be better that you should really be thinking up sensibly on how things should really be that taken. Dont easily believe with those claims because if those things actually works then we do really believe that it would really be that shown or would be shared out on how its been done? I dont think so. This is why thinking up sensibly and realistically would be the key, you cant really just make yourself that easily believe that they would really be that working and precise or would really be that accurate. Self study would be enough and lots of resources on which you could really make use and learn for yourself.Persevere and be serious if you do really have that kind of aim.
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July 25, 2023, 09:56:41 PM |
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Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
The ones who don’t have skills, they become advisors, as giving advises are easy but fulfilling it requires knowledge and skills. For them this is the source of income and they master the art of convincing. If you are a newbie trader then always do research yourself on the coin and market where you investing. Set a budget for investment and don’t greed for more profits. I must say those who make contents about trading only do well to educate rather than tell one what to do. To become successful at trading, one requires a mentor who has tried trading and understands the basics at least. To HoDL is always the best way to keep good funds aside to trade with once the right knowledge has been gained. In the meantime, anyone looking to trade should first consider having the theories and seek ways to try the practical, hence why the online videos is necessary, so as to be able to distinguish legit information from scams, upon personal research.
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July 25, 2023, 10:04:04 PM |
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That's actually the truth.
Only a few from these influencers are real traders and doing their thing. They only show their wins and not their losses. But the majority of them are salesman and they're good at it honestly.
Because they're able to make attractive videos telling about how good their programs are and how many they're teaching currently. You'll be enticed with it but as said, it's always best to just HODL your Bitcoins.
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July 25, 2023, 10:06:23 PM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
Plus "as traders", most of you will lose money and leave. Some of you might return and lose more money. Some might have learned their lesson the hard way and just HODL Bitcoin. The few who actually put in the most time, effort and who are well-capitalized might make it.
This has been the norm for a long time. I know a lot of self-acclaimed expert traders who primarily make their money from users subscribing to their signal service or enrolling programs. If majority of the trading learning resources (video, article, etc) are from traders who aren't profitable, it becomes a problem for newbies to learn since they would be unprofitable as well when they eventually put the trading skills to practice. Biggest question iis findimg quality trading resources.
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July 26, 2023, 04:06:36 AM |
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What he says is the truth. Many that write those books and have those seminars aren’t good traders at all. If they were they would trade instead of wasting their time with writing books and having seminars. However there is no law which states that you must be a successful trader to promote seminars and charge people $10K for a course where they can find the stuff for free pretty much.
And he is correct saying most will lose money. Trading is hard and it’s why many give up after a few months or years. If it was easy then most people would trade instead of working some boring job.
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July 26, 2023, 04:48:34 AM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
Plus "as traders", most of you will lose money and leave. Some of you might return and lose more money. Some might have learned their lesson the hard way and just HODL Bitcoin. The few who actually put in the most time, effort and who are well-capitalized might make it.
True indeed. What we see and read in the internet are sometimes the irony in reality. That's the reason why reading and listening to influencers alone are not a guarantee that you are doing trading the right way. Instead, trade on your own so you can gain experience on how to adjust with the different market events and scenarios that will help you become a professional and reliable trader. In the end, trading does not matter how good or how skillful you are, but on how you cope up with the changeable market and be patient to wait for the right time to trade.
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July 26, 2023, 06:43:18 AM |
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Right they are selling books as a business to earn profits and also these are limited to theoretical knowledge but the practical application have different results according to the market situations so every reader needs to be careful when reading these study materials to avoid any misunderstanding later on.You trade and learn from actual experience when you jump into it.
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July 26, 2023, 07:27:31 AM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs. people who are looking to profit through such things, there must be. But I don't think it's wrong. Because like many YouTubers who create video content by explaining the procedures for trading in crypto, teaching analytical techniques and other techniques, such as sentimental and fundamental. As far as I have learned so far, I feel that the majority of these YouTubers always provide knowledge about crypto that is real and indeed very useful when used for trading. Because I also learned a lot about crypto trading, namely through videos on YouTube. So I can argue like that, because I've tried it. So as to your perception of crypto learning book maker or video maker, I don't know that. But what is clear and most important, the knowledge provided by the maker of the video or the maker of the book, is true knowledge about trading in crypto. I have no problem with the maker's background. And I'm sure, people who have the courage to write books or make videos that contain content about investment or crypto trading. This means that this person can be said to be an experienced person and an expert in that field (crypto).
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July 26, 2023, 01:18:22 PM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
Plus "as traders", most of you will lose money and leave. Some of you might return and lose more money. Some might have learned their lesson the hard way and just HODL Bitcoin. The few who actually put in the most time, effort and who are well-capitalized might make it.
Although they might not be a winning trader but still their experience on their trades is somehow helpful to new traders since they can make this as a basis on their potential trades. And its up to them if they follow or not as long as they do another research to verify that what information they read is really good to follow. Not every trader lose on their trades that's why learning new information everyday is needed if you want to be a bullish trader.
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July 26, 2023, 02:06:35 PM |
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What he says is the truth. Many that write those books and have those seminars aren’t good traders at all. If they were they would trade instead of wasting their time with writing books and having seminars.
They can be successful traders and still write books, host seminars if they love those activities but very few people fall into that group. You are right that most of people who host trading learning courses are not successful traders. Most of them are not successful traders and host courses to get money. It is important to say if they are successful traders, and you learn from them, it won't guarantee that you will become successful traders like them. And he is correct saying most will lose money. Trading is hard and it’s why many give up after a few months or years. If it was easy then most people would trade instead of working some boring job.
Investing will require less time and effort if you pick a good one. After that, just buying, accumulating and holding till a day and price you want to take profit.
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July 26, 2023, 02:12:56 PM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
Plus "as traders", most of you will lose money and leave. Some of you might return and lose more money. Some might have learned their lesson the hard way and just HODL Bitcoin. The few who actually put in the most time, effort and who are well-capitalized might make it.
That's just the fact you have put out @Wind_FURY. I remember that a few members here have also talked about those trading contents that are being sold online, as the experience of most traders only suggests that those contents are not to be relied upon in order to become successful traders. Another one I talk more often about is those YouTube content creators who are making series of videos with eye-catching titles like, "Learn to Earn $1000 Every Week Trading Crypto" or "Beginers Guide to Earning $100 Every Day in Crypto Trading." There are a lot of related titles like that, and most of those videos are just sh*t. You, dear, do not just believe in everything most of those guys say on those videos; otherwise, the traders will just lose money. The truth is that those who watch, like, comment on, share, and subscribe to their channel are just making them make more money from their channels than they do in real trading.
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July 26, 2023, 02:47:55 PM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs.
Plus "as traders", most of you will lose money and leave. Some of you might return and lose more money. Some might have learned their lesson the hard way and just HODL Bitcoin. The few who actually put in the most time, effort and who are well-capitalized might make it.
This has been the norm for a long time. I know a lot of self-acclaimed expert traders who primarily make their money from users subscribing to their signal service or enrolling programs. If majority of the trading learning resources (video, article, etc) are from traders who aren't profitable, it becomes a problem for newbies to learn since they would be unprofitable as well when they eventually put the trading skills to practice. Biggest question iis findimg quality trading resources. For under-capitalized plebs like many of us are, you won't have to find quality "trading resources". It would be a waste of our already limited capital. The best use for it is merely to buy the Bitcoin DIP, and HODLing it as a store of value, then DCA any additional capital that you earn. Plus instead of wasting your time in trading, just find a job, a second job, or other ways to earn extra money.
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I agree with you, writing advice is easy and marketing it has become more important than being useful. Therefore, trading is one of the activities that requires the user to perform it in a practical way, forming his experience and then starting to learn. It is true that you will lose, but with the passage of days you will turn your loss into success. If you cannot change your behavior so that your losses are below average then trading may not be good for you but reading more books will not change the fact that trading is more empirical work than theoretical philosophy.
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July 26, 2023, 03:12:47 PM |
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I agree with you, writing advice is easy and marketing it has become more important than being useful. Therefore, trading is one of the activities that requires the user to perform it in a practical way, forming his experience and then starting to learn. It is true that you will lose, but with the passage of days you will turn your loss into success. If you cannot change your behavior so that your losses are below average then trading may not be good for you but reading more books will not change the fact that trading is more empirical work than theoretical philosophy. Trading is an activity with a high risk of loss, so of course a trader must have good skills if they want to make a profit. After all it is true that something can be said more easily than put into practice, it includes a shared strategy. Traders should learn from experience, it will help them grow and achieve success. Then from that, I also think a trader must not only have experience and expertise, but they also need to have good psychology when dealing with market volatility. Learning from mistakes is a good way to build a good experience, but if they fall into the same hole it means they shouldn't trade, but it might be good to be a holder.
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July 26, 2023, 04:29:11 PM |
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My advice - BE CAREFUL
This is real and very good advice that you have given. Investment and trading books, articles and videos are made by people who might not actually be winning traders. They make their money by writing "investment materials" and sell it to us, the plebs
Because it is really easy to get carried away and forget to consider that this people may actually be making money from what they sell than from trading itself. I have seen many videos and materials from tutors who spend minutes talking about something when they can actually just go straight to the point. Some make many episodes, just so they can get viewers to spend more time watching them, making more money off viewers. Plus "as traders", most of you will lose money and leave.
If you lose money and leave then you were never really prepared for trading because you should have known.
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