Merit source and top merit earners

[Meritsourceareshit]

Have this thing across on your mind that merit sources and top merit earners are the ones trying out to monopolize signature campaigns on this forum and milking it out as much as they could?

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New accounts that had been created alone had been flooded out by lots of merits and turns out that they are really that familiar with this forum. Reaching out Senior accounts and even hero member ranking won't really be a problem.

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

They do really have the advantage and this what make this system sucks.

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[Bitcoin_Arena]

When making such a big accusation or complaint, it would be great if you showed us examples/proof where merit sources have flooded their "sockpuppet" accounts with merits, and they are now milking the hell out of signature campaigns.

As far as I recall, at the beginning of the merit system, there were a couple of merit sources that abused the positions and got removed.

What I am seeing right now is just an assumption with no single proof.
Becoming a hero or Legendary member is not so hard. Even when you don't try so hard. Just be an active and helpful member in the community, you will get there.

[Hatchy]

I guess you are one of those users, who after gets frustrated with no merit just decided to speak up.
 Now my question is why you have decided to create a new account and not using you real account.maybe we would have seen at least a reason why you haven't received merits from merit sources.

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

I do hope you have good prove about this, if not I think you should lock this thread and try learning how to create good post just so you earn merits. As far as I'm concerned, merit sources, gives merits to quality posting and most of the senior members on this forum show more of such post than lower ranked member.

Just like the one you made now

 If you had time to read some post made by junior members then You would see how good they are and why they should be awarded merits. I suggest you start learning and stop complaining about the merit system mate.

[Lafu]

Complaining about Merit sources and also the one that earn much of them , but dont having the Balls to write that with your real Account !
Come again with your real Account but i guess you are afraid maybe that this will be not going well out for you.
Contribute good and maybe with some quality posts to the Forum and help others and you also getting maybe some Merits.
But please dont be lazy and just complain about it.

[khiholangkang]

Just as I see you, obviously you are not new to this forum talking about merit, it seems your guts are very weak friend.

If you want to point out the problems you find with merit sources in this forum, you can show the evidence and use your real account, that will make your opinion more weighty and not look like nonsense.

I think that your original account seems difficult to get merit from other users in this forum, which makes you jealous of those who get merit from their contributions in the forum.
 
Show your real self. LOL

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I don't see what the problem is with the OP using an alt account to say this. Alts are explicitly allowed on this forum and originally the idea was that you could use them to say controversial things that you don't want to say with your main account, so I think it's fine for the OP to create an alt.

I don't agree with what he says though. The merit system is not perfect but it is very good and it improved the forum a lot compared to the ranking system when I registered in summer 2017. With it, if you are a good poster you will get merits, and if you don't get merits then your contribution to the forum is not good enough.

Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

Your assumption is incorrect, and I don't deny that there may be some isolated cases, but as things stand, it is better for them to concentrate on a single account that will end up paying them a lot, in some cases with custom deals, than to have several, because the time they have is limited and the quality inevitably suffers if you have several accounts.

Look at the requirements to enter the Green Zone of the campaigns managed by Royse777 for example.

WHAT IS GREEN ZONE?

As a campaign manager, my job is to provide the BEST VALUE of the money a project spend on Bitcointalk marketing. Besides, it became obvious that even though the forum rank of two or more members are the same but their overall performance regarding post quality, number of posts they made so far, merit vs post ratio, merit vs activity ratio, acceptability of their opinions in discussions, DT status, accuracy in the feedback leaving habit, correct practice of trust setting, forum socializing skills, knowledge about bitcoin and any subject in topics they engage, influence over others or ability to organize groups and lead a gang (LOL), individual acceptance in their own gang members (LOLx) - all are different. There are many more parameters we consider to pay a campaigner that bring the BEST VALUE from him/her.

So, it's not just about merits, it's much more than that.

[SamReomo]

You're wrong about merit sources and I recommend you to not promote any lies because the merit sources in our forum are performing their duty very well, and they also know very well that which user deserves a merit and which doesn't. The merits are often given to those users who make well informative posts, and they posts somehow reflect their helpful nature, and if a user doesn't gets a merit then that means the user isn't trying to help others but is only after grabbing merits, and we call such users as "merit fishers," because they try their best to get merits even though they do not deserve to get any of merit because of their poor positing habits.

And, when it comes to new accounts getting merits then you must have to look their post history because a useful post from a newbie is more appreciated by our merit sources because they want such newbies to rank faster. They only give merits to those newbies because they know that such users can be helpful for the forum, and they can produce more constructive and reading worthy posts after they are appreciated with merits.
Instead of blaming our merits sources you should better try to make good and helpful posts, and I'm quite sure that you'll see that merits will flow toward your good posts like to the ones that you have seen on this forum.

[acroman08]

this would probably be taken a lot more seriously if you could provide detailed evidence supporting the claim you are making against merit sources and top merit earners.

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New accounts that had been created alone had been flooded out by lots of merits and turns out that they are really that familiar with this forum. Reaching out Senior accounts and even hero member ranking won't really be a problem.

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

They do really have the advantage and this what make this system sucks.

so you are mad because newly created accounts are getting more attention than you by contributing and creating discussions happening in the forum? also, a newly created account does not mean that the person using it is completely clueless about this forum.

[Despairo]

I mean, merit sources are chosen by theymos and he know every users' IP addresses, I don't think he never check the connection between the merit sources and the top accounts merited by them. AFAIK there were alt accounts tried to ruin DT system by using all the accounts to trust each other, so they met the requirements to be included become DT1 members and theymos was the one who catch it.

Moreover there are some detective in this forum used to catch cheater or scammer, so I don't think you need to worry too much. Yet, you can beat them by improving your post as we have so many merit sources.

[philipma1957]

Have this thing across on your mind that merit sources and top merit earners are the ones trying out to monopolize signature campaigns on this forum and milking it out as much as they could?

Ex.
New accounts that had been created alone had been flooded out by lots of merits and turns out that they are really that familiar with this forum. Reaching out Senior accounts and even hero member ranking won't really be a problem.

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

They do really have the advantage and this what make this system sucks.

Don't use a broad brush. I don't do it. Only some do it.

When making such a big accusation or complaint, it would be great if you showed us examples/proof where merit sources have flooded their "sockpuppet" accounts with merits, and they are now milking the hell out of signature campaigns.

As far as I recall, at the beginning of the merit system, there were a couple of merit sources that abused the positions and got removed.

What I am seeing right now is just an assumption with no single proof.
Becoming a hero or Legendary member is not so hard. Even when you don't try so hard. Just be an active and helpful member in the community, you will get there.

Well I have seen a lot of 3500 merit plus people feeding accounts.

So yeah the op is part right. If you do a statistical breakdown you can see it is happening with new members getting  a lot of merits to make rank pretty quickly.

Members under a year and say 300 posts with 100 or 200 merits would be the sock puppets.  I see at least 3 or 4 in the wo thread.

Of course he is a newbie and not an OG. wink wink

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Have this thing across on your mind that merit sources and top merit earners are the ones trying out to monopolize signature campaigns on this forum and milking it out as much as they could?

Then try to be a merit source too or try to be one of the top merit earners. I am saying you should try to post like them and become like them.

You can also bring proof that you know what you are saying. Without prrof you are saying rubbish.

New accounts that had been created alone had been flooded out by lots of merits and turns out that they are really that familiar with this forum. Reaching out Senior accounts and even hero member ranking won't really be a problem.

Having alt is not against on this forum. If you like you can have alts too but have quality posts and rank on if you post something quality.

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

Merit source are focusing on the accounts that post good.

They do really have the advantage and this what make this system sucks.

I believe this is your alt, but you account is not posting anything good is the reason you have this believe.

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People with a lot of sMerits care about merit monopolization A LOT more than you think — heck I don't even spend a single braincell in thinking about it. Don't excuse lack of post quality for "mEriT mOnOpOLiZaTiOn".

Seriously, stop it with this crap.

[Faisal2202]

There is a merit source in every local board i think (i know not in every board but i must say most of the local boards have there own merit source). And that merit source, give merits to anyone he/she wanted. Because its his there right. And if you really think merit abusing is happening and you have observed it then you should provide some proves because i at least understand that this is not your main account.

You have made another account just to start this topic. So, if the account is new then why do you afraid to share the proofs too. I think you afraid if you would made this account from your real id then those merit source might not give you merits if they are giving you few. Well, i am not accusing but if you have solid proof then you can share those even from your main id nothing to afraid of. Merits are not everything.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

Merit sources are chosen after an application where they have to meet some criteria.

1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

The application is not a formality and I know plenty of good forum contributors which applied for this position without receiving it. So those which are merit sources have to do a really good job in order to be elected.

Furthermore, merit spending is not moderated. Each user may send his merits to whoever he wants and in whatever amount he wants (being limited by the 50 merits / month to a unique user limit and by the limit of the amount of his sMerits). So far I only witnessed one case where a merit source was accused of abusing his powers and that user was demoted from merit source position. So actions are taken in case of abuses.

OP, if you can point the finger to someone directly, do it so and bring proof for your statement.

Other than that, since it was only one case of a merit source demoted for abusing his power, I am certain that merit sources are doing their job just fine. (There were other cases of demoted merit sources, but not for abuses. This happened when the user became inactive or did not use the sMerits received for being a merit source.)

[jokers10]

So, if the account is new then why do you afraid to share the proofs too. I think you afraid if you would made this account from your real id then those merit source might not give you merits if they are giving you few. Well, i am not accusing but if you have solid proof then you can share those even from your main id nothing to afraid of. Merits are not everything.

If he has any real proofs, he'll get many merits for sharing them. Doesn't matter from this account of from any other account will he publish any proofs. But he doesn't have any, only frustration about not getting merits.

I'm not following all merit sources, but those several ones I see spend merits widely and for really many different people. So if there were any proofs, I'm sure they'd give merits for good investigation about possible abuser. There is no risk if to have proof. But he has no.

[Learn Bitcoin]

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Phill forgot this is outside of WO, and multiple posts in a row are not allowed here 
Never mind.

It's obvious that OP is frustrated with the merit sources because his main account didn't get attention from merit sources where he can get some merits. @OP, I believe you have an account that did not get the attention of merit sources, and maybe you have written many posts that deserve merits. FYI, a few merit sources review users' posts based on their application, and if their posts are worth merit, they are getting merits. Why don't you submit your good posts to them for review instead of complaining about shit?

[knowngunman]

Merit sources are focusing with those accounts or even those top merit rankers in the forum. Merit distribution isn't really that fair and I'm assuming that they are building their own sockpuppets to solo out and milk out signature campaigns that requires accounts that have lots of merit counts.

They do really have the advantage and this what make this system sucks.

Creating a new account just to post this? Oh gosh! That shows how fearful you are for not posting with your main account. Those who stand for the truth don't disguise speaking out. This issue of merits circulation among high-ranking members has been addressed before (can't find the thread now) with many convincing reasons that are very obvious but only if you pay attention and observe. The merit sources are carefully selected having met up some requirements specify to qualify one to be a merit source. If you observe, you will notice that these high-rank members offer reasonable and informative contributions to conversations, and with this, they are likely to receive more merits.

Talking about the milking signature campaign is absolutely off point driven by jealousy. Some of these high rank members failed to reach the weekly post quota which is a prove that they're not chasing the money while some are not in the campaign but post beyond the weekly post quota required in a signature campaign. The majority of the signature campaign is more interested in gambling posts which majority of posts there are not merit-worthy but you will see these high ranks moving from one board to another offering the best idea that they can. Let's be fair enough and stop criticizing them. They deserve the merit they're earning.

Do away with this mindset and start improving your post and see merits flooding your profile. Take a look at this profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3486361 and tell me what you see. Within one year and a month with over 2k merits, What does that tell you? You can be like that also if you can do better other than criticism. I challenge you to bring out a post from your main account that's merit worthy but not merited and I will contribute my quota to show you that there's no bias in merit sharing. We also have numerous thread reviewing posts that are merit worthy but you pretend not to see those threads because you don't have any. Cmon mate!

[GazetaBitcoin]

I'm not following all merit sources

I guess that merit sources can be spotted with the help of Coin-1's topic [LOG]The ranked up members - Congratulations!. They are mentioned within post #2:

	Date	User name	Comment
204)	2/13/2022	FatFork	[merit source]
237)	9/27/2022	friends1980	[merit source]
243)	11/5/2022	pandukelana2712	[merit source]
1)	1/26/2018	theymos	administrator of the forum [merit source]
2)	9/27/2018	LoyceV	loyce.club website creator [merit source]
3)	11/27/2018	suchmoon	[merit source]
4)	12/9/2018	The Sceptical Chymist	[merit source]
5)	1/26/2019	achow101	moderator of the section "Technical Discussion" [merit source]
10)	3/31/2019	DdmrDdmr	[merit source]
11)	5/5/2019	qwk	[merit source]
15)	5/22/2019	El duderino_	[merit source]
16)	6/6/2019	o_e_l_e_o	[merit source]
17)	7/28/2019	nutildah	[merit source]
18)	8/14/2019	LFC_Bitcoin	[merit source]
19)	8/31/2019	ETFbitcoin	[merit source]
20)	9/12/2019	JayJuanGee	[merit source]
21)	9/16/2019	DarkStar_	[merit source]
22)	9/28/2019	BobLawblaw	[merit source]
25)	11/2/2019	pooya87	[merit source]
28)	12/4/2019	philipma1957	[merit source]
31)	12/19/2019	HCP	[merit source]
33)	1/4/2020	fillippone	[merit source]
36)	2/27/2020	mikeywith	[merit source]
37)	3/18/2020	1miau	[merit source]
39)	5/15/2020	Welsh	moderator of the section "Announcements (Altcoins)" [merit source]
40)	5/16/2020	TryNinja	[merit source]
41)	5/21/2020	infofront	[merit source]
42)	5/25/2020	OmegaStarScream	moderator of the Arabic local board [merit source]
43)	5/27/2020	mindrust	[merit source]
44)	5/31/2020	marlboroza	[merit source]
47)	7/21/2020	Foxpup	[merit source]
49)	8/28/2020	Ratimov	[merit source]
50)	9/4/2020	Jet Cash	[merit source]
51)	9/17/2020	OgNasty	[merit source]
52)	9/22/2020	d5000	[merit source]
54)	11/2/2020	bitmover	[merit source]
60)	12/28/2020	cAPSLOCK	[merit source]
61)	12/28/2020	Globb0	[merit source]
64)	1/19/2021	Quickseller	[merit source]
66)	1/29/2021	babo	[merit source]
67)	1/30/2021	LeGaulois	[merit source]
69)	2/9/2021	600watt	[merit source]
72)	3/12/2021	NeuroticFish	[merit source]
74)	4/5/2021	krogothmanhattan	[merit source]
75)	4/13/2021	Pmalek	[merit source]
78)	5/26/2021	Hueristic	[merit source]
82)	7/6/2021	CryptopreneurBrainboss	[merit source]
83)	7/7/2021	Rath_	[merit source]
85)	7/14/2021	franky1	[merit source]
87)	7/24/2021	dkbit98	[merit source]
92)	8/23/2021	vapourminer	[merit source]
93)	9/4/2021	NotATether	[merit source]
94)	9/6/2021	hilariousandco	global moderator [merit source]
98)	9/19/2021	marcus_of_augustus	[merit source]
106)	10/28/2021	xandry	[merit source]
107)	11/4/2021	mprep	global moderator [merit source]
111)	12/2/2021	Royse777	[merit source]
115)	12/26/2021	BlackHatCoiner	[merit source]
116)	12/30/2021	hugeblack	[merit source]
117)	1/6/2022	hosseinimr93	[merit source]
125)	3/29/2022	mole0815	[merit source]
126)	4/8/2022	Cyrus	[merit source]
132)	6/27/2022	The Cryptovator	[merit source]
134)	8/22/2022	klarki	[merit source]
138)	9/21/2022	Husna QA	[merit source]
147)	12/19/2022	shahzadafzal	[merit source]
158)	4/15/2023	Buchi-88	[merit source]
162)	5/19/2023	Julien_Olynpic	[merit source]

The data should be relevant for June 30th, 2023. However, I am not sure if that is the complete list of all merit sources.

In any case, since OP created a new account only for opening this thread as his very first post on the forum (at least under the new account), perhaps he can also come up with some names or substantial evidence. Unless he created the thread only for some more drama.

[lovesmayfamilis]

My guess is that, following the OP's statements, merit sources should have at least 36 hours per day.
Giving merits to numerous users and at the same time developing your own alternative accounts and participating in signature companies—don't you think it's a huge job? Given that you can keep track of all regularly merited accounts that may be with your version of alternative accounts, their posts should also be of appropriate quality. Have you thought about it?
Giving an unfounded accusation without evidence from a new account is an indicator of cowardice and self-doubt.
Shame on you, OP!