A weird belief among some gamblers.

[TelolettOm]

Yes, if they gamble and they lose that is not your responsibility nor your accountability.

Sure, if there is a gambler who follows our bet, it is not our responsibility when it end up with a lose. As long as we don't invite them, they can't blame us. Everyone gambles with their own intention and with their own responsibility. It is strange if someone blames us because he gets a lose by following us. He mustn't gamble if he doesn't want to lose. 

Every gambler I think has their own belief and their own thing about this thing , some have their myths some have their own lucky charms

Indeed. Any gambler can have their own belief. But it is untrue if a gambler blames other people because of the wrong belief. Wins or lose won't depend on the belief, it is all about the luck. So, every gambler can trust their own belief but never try to blame others. I really hate the gamblers who blame other with nonsense reasons.

the thing is they just need to enjoy the game nothing else, they dont need to follow other people's tips and tricks or other people advices.

Yes, the main purpose is to get entertainment, don't forget to have fun. We must trust our own way in gambling, we don't need to follow other gamblers' ways. No guarantee that those tips/tricks will work with us. Since it is mostly luck-based games, we must believe our own luck laying on our own way.

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[summonerrk]

In general, the world is full of inexplicable and strange phenomena that we, even being atheists and skeptics, cannot explain. For example, hypnosis, which introduces people into special states, or, for example, the techniques of Shaolin monks who stand on one finger or do not feel pain. But this has a direct relation to the superstitions through which people introduce themselves into special states. Or as if they protect themselves in this way, through actions, symbols and rituals. Therefore, I will not undertake to deny that all this does not make sense, statistics know many cases when false superstitions helped people in their affairs, including gambling.

[tusandii]

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

Superstition isn't always related with psychological disease, I think almost everyone have such believe because it's related to experience, people always remember something based on their experience. That's why when someone carry a weird stuff, I'm not really surprised because when you ask them about that weird stuff, they can explain how the stuff can give a luck to them in the past.

Yes, superstitions are not always related to mental illness because beliefs, suggestions and also one's experience can make superstitions more real and are believed by most people to be able to have luck or victory.
Many things like that happen anywhere and in several countries, even the majority of gamblers still really believe in help from superstitious or mystical things, although some also don't care or don't believe in it.
For example, when someone has a dream or sees a strange discrepancy, they immediately link it to get a lottery number, which ensures that this is a form of symbol or a natural code to be able to get luck or win.
It's no wonder that we find some gamblers doing crazy actions to be able to get help with their belief in superstitious or mystical things.

[Jody.Drummer]

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This is why it's important to set boundaries so you won't get swayed and eventually be lost in the process of gambling. If you are lucky enough to experience several wins, be contented and do not aim for more especially if you know it to yourself that you don't have what it takes - the skills, information, and luck needed in order to win. Because clearly, being so hopeful can bring you down as well. If you won't stop being ambitious and greedy, you'll likely taste losses first hand.

Well, feeling like one lacks the skill, information or luck needed to win all depends on what the gambler is playing, for those playing slot or casino games, they need non of those you mentioned aside luck, luck is the major driving factor when it comes gambling, even in sports betting, the knowledge, the skill,, the information might be there, but then, the gambler still need some little amount of luck to win, no luck means no win, and this is why some illucious gamblers, who believe in charms or other superstitious stuff go extra miles to acquire powers that will supposedly make sure they are always in good luck, and whether this stuff actually works, I can't tell, only those who have tried it can tell if it works or not.

That's how it is when it comes to luck in gambling, in some bets maybe our skills will be needed to make an analysis and then increase our chances of winning, such as in sports betting, but that doesn't mean it will be separated from all luck.
I will give an example during the Qatar World Cup some time ago, when Argentina faced Saudi Arabia. Who would have thought that Saudi Arabia would win the game, especially after they were 1 goal down in the first half? But that's how luck came in when Saudi Arabia managed to score 2 goals in the second half.

[sompitonov]

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

Superstition isn't always related with psychological disease, I think almost everyone have such believe because it's related to experience, people always remember something based on their experience. That's why when someone carry a weird stuff, I'm not really surprised because when you ask them about that weird stuff, they can explain how the stuff can give a luck to them in the past.

After all, one should not be surprised at these things and talismans among such people. They wear what is important to them. Still, this has been going on since very ancient times, so we can say that it is inherent in the very human essence. Therefore, this is still found in the information age, with the Internet and other high technologies today.

I won't even be surprised if I have some kind of talisman in the near future. 

[shogun47]

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This is why it's important to set boundaries so you won't get swayed and eventually be lost in the process of gambling. If you are lucky enough to experience several wins, be contented and do not aim for more especially if you know it to yourself that you don't have what it takes - the skills, information, and luck needed in order to win. Because clearly, being so hopeful can bring you down as well. If you won't stop being ambitious and greedy, you'll likely taste losses first hand.

Well, feeling like one lacks the skill, information or luck needed to win all depends on what the gambler is playing, for those playing slot or casino games, they need non of those you mentioned aside luck, luck is the major driving factor when it comes gambling, even in sports betting, the knowledge, the skill,, the information might be there, but then, the gambler still need some little amount of luck to win, no luck means no win, and this is why some illucious gamblers, who believe in charms or other superstitious stuff go extra miles to acquire powers that will supposedly make sure they are always in good luck, and whether this stuff actually works, I can't tell, only those who have tried it can tell if it works or not.

That's how it is when it comes to luck in gambling, in some bets maybe our skills will be needed to make an analysis and then increase our chances of winning, such as in sports betting, but that doesn't mean it will be separated from all luck.
I will give an example during the Qatar World Cup some time ago, when Argentina faced Saudi Arabia. Who would have thought that Saudi Arabia would win the game, especially after they were 1 goal down in the first half? But that's how luck came in when Saudi Arabia managed to score 2 goals in the second half.

And I am sure there are a few people out there who claim they knew that Saudi Arabia would turn the game around because they made such a good analysis. That's the downside of being incredibily lucky. It leads people to confuse skill with luck and that happens more often than one would think. Poker is a great example for that as well when someone is incredibly lucky all the time and beats everyone and then thinks it is because he is such a good poker player. Superstition is no thing I am into at all. If someone wants to copy my bets, feel free to do so. Why would I think that it could impact the outcome?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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This is why it's important to set boundaries so you won't get swayed and eventually be lost in the process of gambling. If you are lucky enough to experience several wins, be contented and do not aim for more especially if you know it to yourself that you don't have what it takes - the skills, information, and luck needed in order to win. Because clearly, being so hopeful can bring you down as well. If you won't stop being ambitious and greedy, you'll likely taste losses first hand.

Well, feeling like one lacks the skill, information or luck needed to win all depends on what the gambler is playing, for those playing slot or casino games, they need non of those you mentioned aside luck, luck is the major driving factor when it comes gambling, even in sports betting, the knowledge, the skill,, the information might be there, but then, the gambler still need some little amount of luck to win, no luck means no win, and this is why some illucious gamblers, who believe in charms or other superstitious stuff go extra miles to acquire powers that will supposedly make sure they are always in good luck, and whether this stuff actually works, I can't tell, only those who have tried it can tell if it works or not.

That's how it is when it comes to luck in gambling, in some bets maybe our skills will be needed to make an analysis and then increase our chances of winning, such as in sports betting, but that doesn't mean it will be separated from all luck.
I will give an example during the Qatar World Cup some time ago, when Argentina faced Saudi Arabia. Who would have thought that Saudi Arabia would win the game, especially after they were 1 goal down in the first half? But that's how luck came in when Saudi Arabia managed to score 2 goals in the second half.

And I am sure there are a few people out there who claim they knew that Saudi Arabia would turn the game around because they made such a good analysis. That's the downside of being incredibily lucky. It leads people to confuse skill with luck and that happens more often than one would think. Poker is a great example for that as well when someone is incredibly lucky all the time and beats everyone and then thinks it is because he is such a good poker player. Superstition is no thing I am into at all. If someone wants to copy my bets, feel free to do so. Why would I think that it could impact the outcome?

You are very right, I initially did not understand what you meant, or let me just say that, I understood you the other way round, and was going to disagree with you, but I had read your comment all over the second and third time to properly understand  .

You are very correct, the Argentina verses Saudi Arabia game, which saudi Arabia won was as a share result of luck, no body, and I repeat, no body, not even the Saudi Arabians expected their team to win that, I personally watched the like show where the coach of the Saudi team was interviewed, he said it himself that, they were just lucky, that they never expected they will beat Argentina.

Those who bet on saudi arabia did so just incase the unexpected happens, and luckily for them, the unexpected happened, any one who said they knew saudi will turn the game around to beat argentina is just lying, and like you said, confusing luck for skill.

[Blitzboy]

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

Superstition isn't always related with psychological disease, I think almost everyone have such believe because it's related to experience, people always remember something based on their experience. That's why when someone carry a weird stuff, I'm not really surprised because when you ask them about that weird stuff, they can explain how the stuff can give a luck to them in the past.

Yes, superstitions are not always related to mental illness because beliefs, suggestions and also one's experience can make superstitions more real and are believed by most people to be able to have luck or victory.
Many things like that happen anywhere and in several countries, even the majority of gamblers still really believe in help from superstitious or mystical things, although some also don't care or don't believe in it.
For example, when someone has a dream or sees a strange discrepancy, they immediately link it to get a lottery number, which ensures that this is a form of symbol or a natural code to be able to get luck or win.
It's no wonder that we find some gamblers doing crazy actions to be able to get help with their belief in superstitious or mystical things.

Superstitions are but a scaffolding for the frail human psyche! Are they necessarily a sign of mental illness? No. They’re a coping mechanism, an attempt to explain the unexplainable, just like our ancient ancestors did with thunder gods and sea monsters. You bring up gamblers; they cling to superstitions as if these beliefs are their last life vest in a sea of uncertainty. This isnt some romantic notion; its desperation masked as belief. Humans try to create patterns out of chaos because facing the idea that their success relies on mere chance is too crippling for them. Superstitions are for those who cant face the raw brutality of reality

[shogun47]

You are very right, I initially did not understand what you meant, or let me just say that, I understood you the other way round, and was going to disagree with you, but I had read your comment all over the second and third time to properly understand  .

You are very correct, the Argentina verses Saudi Arabia game, which saudi Arabia won was as a share result of luck, no body, and I repeat, no body, not even the Saudi Arabians expected their team to win that, I personally watched the like show where the coach of the Saudi team was interviewed, he said it himself that, they were just lucky, that they never expected they will beat Argentina.

Those who bet on saudi arabia did so just incase the unexpected happens, and luckily for them, the unexpected happened, any one who said they knew saudi will turn the game around to beat argentina is just lying, and like you said, confusing luck for skill.

I don't know whether it could be checked anywhere, but I guess when Argentina had the 1-0 lead that it wasn't even possible anymore to place a bet on Saudi Arabia winning the game. If it was still possible, I am sure the odds must have been around 100.

But the craziest thing about Saudi Arabia beating Argentina is not only that they won this single game, but that they had actually beaten the eventual World Cup winner. This combination makes it even more unbelievable. It shows how coincidental some outcomes can be.

[Jody.Drummer]

And I am sure there are a few people out there who claim they knew that Saudi Arabia would turn the game around because they made such a good analysis. That's the downside of being incredibily lucky. It leads people to confuse skill with luck and that happens more often than one would think. Poker is a great example for that as well when someone is incredibly lucky all the time and beats everyone and then thinks it is because he is such a good poker player. Superstition is no thing I am into at all. If someone wants to copy my bets, feel free to do so. Why would I think that it could impact the outcome?

You are very right, I initially did not understand what you meant, or let me just say that, I understood you the other way round, and was going to disagree with you, but I had read your comment all over the second and third time to properly understand  .

You are very correct, the Argentina verses Saudi Arabia game, which saudi Arabia won was as a share result of luck, no body, and I repeat, no body, not even the Saudi Arabians expected their team to win that, I personally watched the like show where the coach of the Saudi team was interviewed, he said it himself that, they were just lucky, that they never expected they will beat Argentina.

Those who bet on saudi arabia did so just incase the unexpected happens, and luckily for them, the unexpected happened, any one who said they knew saudi will turn the game around to beat argentina is just lying, and like you said, confusing luck for skill.

And everything that's happening seems to be confounding some of the analysis. You said that those who bet on Saudi Arabia because they were on guard for the unexpected, and just on guard without any of them believing that this would happen.
Usually the people who say that they predict Saudi Arabia will win are the ones who are looking for security ahead of the match. Similarly, I have listened to interviews with some "football analysts" who have said things that do not favor Argentina, but also do not make Saudi Arabia the favorite. Then at the end they claimed that they had predicted the outcome of the match.

[Wiwo]

In general, the world is full of inexplicable and strange phenomena that we, even being atheists and skeptics, cannot explain. For example, hypnosis, which introduces people into special states, or, for example, the techniques of Shaolin monks who stand on one finger or do not feel pain. But this has a direct relation to the superstitions through which people introduce themselves into special states. Or as if they protect themselves in this way, through actions, symbols and rituals. Therefore, I will not undertake to deny that all this does not make sense, statistics know many cases when false superstitions helped people in their affairs, including gambling.

That is the world we are living in today there are a lot of belief systems that have left people with a lot of misconceptions and convictions that will ordinarily sound wired to others who may not have the same belief system as them and this is what has played out in ops own situations,  I have witnessed a lot of similar occurrence in physical booking house where a gambler will approach the cashier with a code he believes is a secret winning code and will not want to share the secret with other gamblers present I the casino at that time.

I don't know if this works for them anyway but I have seen the reality of some of them who most times end up losing the bets despite all those superstition bbelief ssystems andit will still fail them in most cases.

[tusandii]

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Superstitions are but a scaffolding for the frail human psyche! Are they necessarily a sign of mental illness? No. They’re a coping mechanism, an attempt to explain the unexplainable, just like our ancient ancestors did with thunder gods and sea monsters. You bring up gamblers; they cling to superstitions as if these beliefs are their last life vest in a sea of uncertainty. This isnt some romantic notion; its desperation masked as belief. Humans try to create patterns out of chaos because facing the idea that their success relies on mere chance is too crippling for them. Superstitions are for those who cant face the raw brutality of reality

However, there are some people who have mental disorders, if they can be associated with superstitions, it's just that not all of them experience the same thing about superstitions. Talking about superstitions is something like what our ancestors did, it can indeed be said as superstition because of a belief in objects or other creatures that considered to have power like a god or considered a god who could provide good luck or other matters related to safety.

However, here we are discussing superstition in gambling, not like what our ancestors did by worshiping foreign objects or other creatures, but more about someone's belief that he can get good luck if he carries or has a mystical object or item that brings good luck.
This kind of belief has existed since ancient times but most have forgotten it, while this is one of the cultures that still exists today.

[summonerrk]

In general, the world is full of inexplicable and strange phenomena that we, even being atheists and skeptics, cannot explain. For example, hypnosis, which introduces people into special states, or, for example, the techniques of Shaolin monks who stand on one finger or do not feel pain. But this has a direct relation to the superstitions through which people introduce themselves into special states. Or as if they protect themselves in this way, through actions, symbols and rituals. Therefore, I will not undertake to deny that all this does not make sense, statistics know many cases when false superstitions helped people in their affairs, including gambling.

That is the world we are living in today there are a lot of belief systems that have left people with a lot of misconceptions and convictions that will ordinarily sound wired to others who may not have the same belief system as them and this is what has played out in ops own situations,  I have witnessed a lot of similar occurrence in physical booking house where a gambler will approach the cashier with a code he believes is a secret winning code and will not want to share the secret with other gamblers present I the casino at that time.

I don't know if this works for them anyway but I have seen the reality of some of them who most times end up losing the bets despite all those superstition bbelief ssystems andit will still fail them in most cases.

The same superstitions belong to whole nations, and hundreds of thousands of people succumb to them, because they are imposed by their parents. It turns out that there are also superstitions about casinos inherent in players of any countries: for example, such as: the "luckiest" place is the one facing the door, the unluckiest one is facing the back to the fireplace. It turns out that most players believe this and pass these superstitions on to each other. As it turns out, players do not like the presence of dogs and cats in the casino. That's probably why I've never seen them there. It is believed that because of dogs, you can quarrel, and cats can not be touched. I think this is strange, but I am sure that in countries where people are especially superstitious, these superstitions are observed more strictly.

[Jody.Drummer]

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Superstitions are but a scaffolding for the frail human psyche! Are they necessarily a sign of mental illness? No. They’re a coping mechanism, an attempt to explain the unexplainable, just like our ancient ancestors did with thunder gods and sea monsters. You bring up gamblers; they cling to superstitions as if these beliefs are their last life vest in a sea of uncertainty. This isnt some romantic notion; its desperation masked as belief. Humans try to create patterns out of chaos because facing the idea that their success relies on mere chance is too crippling for them. Superstitions are for those who cant face the raw brutality of reality

However, here we are discussing superstition in gambling, not like what our ancestors did by worshiping foreign objects or other creatures, but more about someone's belief that he can get good luck if he carries or has a mystical object or item that brings good luck.
This kind of belief has existed since ancient times but most have forgotten it, while this is one of the cultures that still exists today.

One of the effects of gambling addiction is that it leads to unconsciousness in the mind, so that it makes some statements that seem completely unreasonable where they put excessive trust in a victory and it is just a superstition but it is strange that they can be so sure about a victory that is very unlikely to be obtained. If someone is already experiencing phases like this with an unreasonable mindset then it is very dangerous, it is likely that they will sacrifice their future just for gambling, meaning that if they continue to do or pursue victory in gambling with such high confidence then it will only make them worse from anything, especially their finances, and their future will definitely be destroyed if they don't stop all that.
Gambling is all about luck, but we can't bring superstitions to increase our chances of luck in gambling because it's just nonsense and will only be an excuse if we lose in the end.

[ethereumhunter]

After all, one should not be surprised at these things and talismans among such people. They wear what is important to them. Still, this has been going on since very ancient times, so we can say that it is inherent in the very human essence. Therefore, this is still found in the information age, with the Internet and other high technologies today.

I won't even be surprised if I have some kind of talisman in the near future. 

For people who live in such an environment, it is not surprising because there are still many people who use charms and believe in superstitions to be able to win at gambling. But many people don't believe in it, especially if they don't live in that environment or come from developed countries with no belief in superstition. So they will wonder and question why they do things like that instead of just using the ways that people usually do.

We also can't blame those who still do it because maybe they still believe in these superstitious things so they won't leave it. And that's not surprising because these superstitious beliefs still exist today in some places, so if we find them, we also don't need to be surprised or surprised to see them because our cultures will all be different.

[Unsoldier]

Yes, but all the same, there will always be such people who believe in various external forces, talismans and other nonsense. And no one can convince them of this. Superstitions in medicine can do more harm to human health than in gambling. Although in some small cases in medicine it is possible to cure some psychological diseases through self-hypnosis. Including gambling addiction.

Superstition isn't always related with psychological disease, I think almost everyone have such believe because it's related to experience, people always remember something based on their experience. That's why when someone carry a weird stuff, I'm not really surprised because when you ask them about that weird stuff, they can explain how the stuff can give a luck to them in the past.

After all, one should not be surprised at these things and talismans among such people. They wear what is important to them. Still, this has been going on since very ancient times, so we can say that it is inherent in the very human essence. Therefore, this is still found in the information age, with the Internet and other high technologies today.

I won't even be surprised if I have some kind of talisman in the near future. 

Mascots can give gamblers psychological support and reassurance, which can have a positive effect on their psychological well-being. People who believe that their talisman brings good luck are mentally healthy. I think wearing talismans for many gamblers can be a way for them to find the confidence and support they lack in their normal life.

[CODE200]

Gambling becomes addictive when its use becomes compulsive and out of control, because the brain system has been exposed to stimulating gambling. in my neighborhood a lot of people are already addicted to gambling, which has led to the superstition of placing high hopes on slots or gambling. and it is very difficult to awaken people who are addicted to gambling to the point that they have lost great wealth to the point where they have nothing. although I am a gambler not as bad as things that are self-defeating

In my opinion, not everyone who plays gambling is superstitious. Superstitions are often even used in things like medicine. If the person is playing gambling in a superstitious way, in my opinion this is something very stupid and a waste of time. Of course this will also be detrimental to ourselves because in gambling we cannot predict when we will win or lose.

I agree with you. As far as I know, superstitions are much like rooted in cultures and sort of a practice that we do in order to avoid bad lucks. Which, in my opinion, should not be  involved in our gambling activities. For instance, if I saw a black cat, which means bad luck in our country, does this mean that I have to not engage in any gambling related activities in that day? or if my hands are itching, which means good luck in our country, does it guarantee that I will win my bet? If this is the case, then the person might end up losing great wealth for relying on superstitious beliefs. So, I believe that superstitions and gambling should not be involved with each other. This is just my opinion, it is still up on us.

[len01]

After all, one should not be surprised at these things and talismans among such people. They wear what is important to them. Still, this has been going on since very ancient times, so we can say that it is inherent in the very human essence. Therefore, this is still found in the information age, with the Internet and other high technologies today.

I won't even be surprised if I have some kind of talisman in the near future. 

until whenever such superstitious beliefs will always be something mysterious to gamblers or in the world of gambling and it will never go away. like some people I know while sleeping in a grave to get dreams and to be used to guess the numbers that will be used to buy lottery tickets and after that its lucky that person can get the jackpot from the lottery and sometimes I think is this a coincidence or is it true that dreams give something which we cannot see.
so that habits like this or even about talismans for gambling will definitely become one of the beliefs of certain gamblers and even in a country something like this has become a tradition or belief that brings good luck.

[sompitonov]

After all, one should not be surprised at these things and talismans among such people. They wear what is important to them. Still, this has been going on since very ancient times, so we can say that it is inherent in the very human essence. Therefore, this is still found in the information age, with the Internet and other high technologies today.

I won't even be surprised if I have some kind of talisman in the near future. 

until whenever such superstitious beliefs will always be something mysterious to gamblers or in the world of gambling and it will never go away. like some people I know while sleeping in a grave to get dreams and to be used to guess the numbers that will be used to buy lottery tickets and after that its lucky that person can get the jackpot from the lottery and sometimes I think is this a coincidence or is it true that dreams give something which we cannot see.
so that habits like this or even about talismans for gambling will definitely become one of the beliefs of certain gamblers and even in a country something like this has become a tradition or belief that brings good luck.

What you have said about dreaming numbers on a lottery ticket may come as a shock to someone. He could also spin around himself 3 times and think of the first numbers that come to his mind.

And if this person is lucky, he will tell and brag to all relatives and friends. And they, in turn, to everyone else, hence such superstitions are born. I won't judge them, it's perfectly natural. Moreover, I think that belief in superstitions and talismans will always exist.

[bangjoe]

After all, one should not be surprised at these things and talismans among such people. They wear what is important to them. Still, this has been going on since very ancient times, so we can say that it is inherent in the very human essence. Therefore, this is still found in the information age, with the Internet and other high technologies today.

I won't even be surprised if I have some kind of talisman in the near future. 

until whenever such superstitious beliefs will always be something mysterious to gamblers or in the world of gambling and it will never go away. like some people I know while sleeping in a grave to get dreams and to be used to guess the numbers that will be used to buy lottery tickets and after that its lucky that person can get the jackpot from the lottery and sometimes I think is this a coincidence or is it true that dreams give something which we cannot see.
so that habits like this or even about talismans for gambling will definitely become one of the beliefs of certain gamblers and even in a country something like this has become a tradition or belief that brings good luck.

What you have said about dreaming numbers on a lottery ticket may come as a shock to someone. He could also spin around himself 3 times and think of the first numbers that come to his mind.

And if this person is lucky, he will tell and brag to all relatives and friends. And they, in turn, to everyone else, hence such superstitions are born. I won't judge them, it's perfectly natural. Moreover, I think that belief in superstitions and talismans will always exist.

That's how humans have the nature of trust in something that cannot be seen and prove in real, including superstition and amuits that he believes can provide luck and so on, and also rituals that make no sense like that will always be there, we who have A common sense about getting a blend of numbers with such rituals will certainly laugh, but they believe that the subtle nature gives them instructions, even though it is only hallucinating itself.

I found some people who did that, some were lucky with that method and gained a big victory, well as usual they would brag and believe that they had a good method, even though they were only lucky.