Russian oil and UK

[livingfree]

With OPEC limiting their daily supply, countries would have to look for other resources and that's why it won't be surprising if that's happening.

And with all of these oil countries selling it are the ones who's making the bucks now and having a good economy. While those that don't have oil deposits and gas on their lands, they're the ones who's badly affected by these players in the world market.

Sanctions, borders and any other issues sticking with these countries. Still, at the end of the day you'll see them have their own trades no matter what boundary they have and will still find ways to acquire the cheapest ones.

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[YUriy1991]

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK

Not a secret actually. Even Ukraine is secretly buying oil from Russia via the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Turkey etc using US and EU aid. Same for the natural gas. Most countries are doing it although it's not announced publicly.

True, it is very easy to identify due to market volatility, it will raise fears that prices of everyday goods from food to gasoline and heating which are already rising rapidly, could soar even higher. on the other hand Russia is the second largest crude oil producer in the world and supplies about a third of Europe's needs.

[tygeade]

With OPEC limiting their daily supply, countries would have to look for other resources and that's why it won't be surprising if that's happening.

And with all of these oil countries selling it are the ones who's making the bucks now and having a good economy. While those that don't have oil deposits and gas on their lands, they're the ones who's badly affected by these players in the world market.

Sanctions, borders and any other issues sticking with these countries. Still, at the end of the day you'll see them have their own trades no matter what boundary they have and will still find ways to acquire the cheapest ones.

That's just how it is done, there isn't really anything that is done any other way. I do hope that people would change soon enough but I do not think that this is something people are shocked about. Oil is needed and no matter what type of block you put against it, when nations need it, they will end up going over that block and get it one way or another.

There isn't a world where we can live without oil at all. That's sad of course, because we should be able to, and we need to make sure that it goes well enough, but unfortunately it's not going to be that simple. We need to go into a world of renewable energy so that we could continue to do well, otherwise it doesn't really matter in the end and we will be depending on these other nations.

[Alpha Marine]

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia.

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.

Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

The ruble can't go to zero but I get your point. If the ruble goes to zero that would mean inflation will be at about 200% and no country can fight a war and win with that kind of inflation. The price of everything would be so expensive that they would be forced to turn their focus on the economy instead of war.

[Sayeds56]

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.

You have a raised valid concerns regarding limitations of economic sanctions in achieving desired outcomes. Economic sanctions may initially produce some results , but later targeted countries devise strategies to mitigate their impact on their economies overtime, and same thing is happening in Russia Ukraine conflict now.

The Russia Ukraine ongoing conflict has led to heavy human causalities, collateral damage and economic difficulties all over the world. We should raise our voices to exert pressure on political leaders to find effective ways to bring this devastating conflict to an end.

[DrBeer]

The Western sanctions are sabotaged with back room deals from India and China and some African countries. The markets just adapt and the Oil still flow through new channels to the UK and other countries that supposedly support the sanctions.

Russia has shown no indication that the sanctions are hurting them, because they just opened up new revenue sources through other nations. The sanctions are just a "smoke&mirror" show by Politicians to satisfy their voters, but the money and oil are still doing business like usual. 

A fine opinion, entitled to life, like any personal opinion.
But there is one problem... According to your words there are no problems, but the Kremlin is screaming on every corner - lift sanctions, and the state budget reports a 50% failure of oil revenues, while the volume of production has not decreased.
Don't you worry about such a severe dissonance from reality ?

PS and a question to ask - why do buyers of 90% of oil from the terrorist country pay in rupees and yuan, and forbid to exchange them for dollars, which for some reason have become so necessary for Russia ?

[serveria.com]

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia.

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.

Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

The ruble can't go to zero but I get your point. If the ruble goes to zero that would mean inflation will be at about 200% and no country can fight a war and win with that kind of inflation. The price of everything would be so expensive that they would be forced to turn their focus on the economy instead of war.

Well, the ultimate goal of sanctions is to make people's life uncomfortable enough to force them to choose another leader/government. I can't remind of any such event happening in the past. Cuba is living under sanctions since 1960s but no effect on nation's political course whatsoever. Venezuela? North Korea? Iran? Nope. So, sanctions are ineffective. In fact, they are doing more bad than good for the EU and US. Finally, as you have mentioned, they are definitely not going to stop the war. Therefore, sanctions should be cancelled ASAP to prevent further harm to Western economies.

Regarding the ruble, it was an exaggeration, but what I can tell you is that what works for other countries won't work for Russia. Russians are special in way, they can withstand much harsher conditions than many other nations. I know many Russians and my ex-wife is Russian too so I know what I'm talking about... 

[DrBeer]

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia.

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.

Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

The ruble can't go to zero but I get your point. If the ruble goes to zero that would mean inflation will be at about 200% and no country can fight a war and win with that kind of inflation. The price of everything would be so expensive that they would be forced to turn their focus on the economy instead of war.

Let me remind you of history:
USSR being a more progressive and technologically advanced country. In a sense, the USSR had a self-sufficient economy.
The USSR was not technologically backward like modern Russia. The USSR had not only a resource economy, the level of third world countries, as now Russia has.
The USSR waged war for 10 years in Afghanistan, killing millions of Afghans and tens of thousands of its terrorists who went to kill Afghans.
The western world imposed sanctions against the USSR. and in 10 years the USSR ceased to exist !
Nothing is impossible! Especially now the position of Russia is on the back of world politics, its place has been taken by China, China benefits from stability. In fact, no one is interested in Russia, it has shat all over itself and stained itself in everything it can.

[coupable]

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

We cannot blame those countries for trying to find secret solutions to overcome their crises, especially since the repercussions of the Ukrainian war were catastrophic and sudden in a way that did not leave them enough time to adopt alternative solutions. The biggest of these crises was Russia's implementation of its threat to stop gas supplies through pipelines shortly before winter, especially since the countries that depended on Russian gas did not have enough stations to import and transfer liquefied gas. Add to that the cessation of grain supplies. How do you expect European countries that were partially or completely dependent on Russian or Ukrainian exports, which were also halted by the warة to live?

[Hamza2424]

In the upcoming resource-based global politics as always from History at least from a few years, Russia is standing among the top nations due to the natural resources they own. Russia is constantly working with foreign policy for trading its resources and making allies with trading strategies. Even Russia is trying to overcome the universal status of the USD which seems like going to be a success shot in the near future. Russia is offering Local currency trade for that purpose especially targeting the new Aisain market and Gulf markets. USD's global status ruined the economic cycle of many countries a few years back and still until now countries under the world bank and IMF are trapped in the USD reserves system which is obviously a bad move for their own current valuation and economy.

As Russia is heading up with new offers it might get helpful for those countries who are under economic crisis due to the IMF policies.

[icalical]

Based on this article and this article what UK and EU doing is actually buying the Oil from third party like India who is actually getting their Oil from Russia. Looking at how this things going, how the EU and UK exploiting this loophole on their own punishment for Russia, all this sanction only look like a gimmick. All that being said, if the European country can't find the other way to fulfill their oil needs I can really blame them for doing this, also this sanction will not only harm Russia but also harming the EU and UK since they will need to buy more expensive oil from the second hand countries who bought Russian Oil.

[wxa7115]

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK

I do not know if this is happening or not, but presuming that it is I do not find it strange, during the cold war the US bought indirectly from the USSR all kind of strategic resources like titanium, so it makes sense that the UK and other countries were doing the same with Russian oil which has been selling for cheap for some time.

Now this may seem to be a hypocritical move, and maybe it is, but governments are moved by self-interests, and if buying Russian oil benefits the UK then their leaders will make that move without even thinking about it.

[serveria.com]

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia.

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.

Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

The ruble can't go to zero but I get your point. If the ruble goes to zero that would mean inflation will be at about 200% and no country can fight a war and win with that kind of inflation. The price of everything would be so expensive that they would be forced to turn their focus on the economy instead of war.

Let me remind you of history:
USSR being a more progressive and technologically advanced country. In a sense, the USSR had a self-sufficient economy.
The USSR was not technologically backward like modern Russia. The USSR had not only a resource economy, the level of third world countries, as now Russia has.
The USSR waged war for 10 years in Afghanistan, killing millions of Afghans and tens of thousands of its terrorists who went to kill Afghans.
The western world imposed sanctions against the USSR. and in 10 years the USSR ceased to exist !
Nothing is impossible! Especially now the position of Russia is on the back of world politics, its place has been taken by China, China benefits from stability. In fact, no one is interested in Russia, it has shat all over itself and stained itself in everything it can.

Haha gave me a good laugh (as always) 

So, it turns out Soviet Union collapsed because of the western sanctions? Mkaaaay 

I'm not even sure what sanctions you mean? The 1980 grain embargo? 

Indeed, life can be hard with a room temperature IQ... 

[DanWalker]

The Western sanctions are sabotaged with back room deals from India and China and some African countries. The markets just adapt and the Oil still flow through new channels to the UK and other countries that supposedly support the sanctions.

Russia has shown no indication that the sanctions are hurting them, because they just opened up new revenue sources through other nations. The sanctions are just a "smoke&mirror" show by Politicians to satisfy their voters, but the money and oil are still doing business like usual. 

A fine opinion, entitled to life, like any personal opinion.
But there is one problem... According to your words there are no problems, but the Kremlin is screaming on every corner - lift sanctions, and the state budget reports a 50% failure of oil revenues, while the volume of production has not decreased.
Don't you worry about such a severe dissonance from reality ?

PS and a question to ask - why do buyers of 90% of oil from the terrorist country pay in rupees and yuan, and forbid to exchange them for dollars, which for some reason have become so necessary for Russia ?

One thing that I see is really happening is that Russia is still standing and still providing everything necessary for their war and the lives of the people in the country. Of course, it cannot be said that they are immune and unaffected by such sanctions. But those sanctions do not seem to have had a big impact, not strong enough to stop Russia. They are still continuing the war and gradually achieving their military goals, which shows that every report is not true to what is going on. If indeed their economy is going down as you say, how can they be able to fight the US and EU in the war with Ukraine? They are against a bloc alone and they have stood firm until now.

[DrBeer]

In the upcoming resource-based global politics as always from History at least from a few years, Russia is standing among the top nations due to the natural resources they own. Russia is constantly working with foreign policy for trading its resources and making allies with trading strategies. Even Russia is trying to overcome the universal status of the USD which seems like going to be a success shot in the near future. Russia is offering Local currency trade for that purpose especially targeting the new Aisain market and Gulf markets. USD's global status ruined the economic cycle of many countries a few years back and still until now countries under the world bank and IMF are trapped in the USD reserves system which is obviously a bad move for their own current valuation and economy.

As Russia is heading up with new offers it might get helpful for those countries who are under economic crisis due to the IMF policies.

1. the economy is becoming technological, not commodity-based. The fact that some resources have been held hostage by politics is a matter of time.
2. Regarding the Russian proposal to trade in national currencies, I have a few questions I want to hear from you
- What is Russia's success in trading oil and gas for rubles ?
- What is the success of russia in trading oil for rupees and yuan. What is the real income of Russia from these transactions, and how it is reflected on the filling of the budget of Russia on the articles "income from oil" and "income from gas" ?
Only please refer to the official figures and indicators, I assure you - there will be a lot of interesting things for you...
 interesting...

[avikz]

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK

That's good! UK, as a sovereign nation must take their own decision to safeguard the interest of their people. UK government surely knows that if they follow the US sanctions, the oil price will skyrocket in UK. So what they are doing is correct.

Why US always thinks they will control the other countries and their decisions? Entire EU has seen a drastic increase in energy price just because US issued sanctions on Russia.

Wake up guys! If you have slightest idea of international politics, you will understand it's a big gameplan of US to bring down the dominance of EUR and the economy of Eurozone. Apparantly there's no reason for NATO to include Ukraine in their group. Poland is now getting caught in the act.

[DrBeer]

Haha gave me a good laugh (as always) 

So, it turns out Soviet Union collapsed because of the western sanctions? Mkaaaay 

I'm not even sure what sanctions you mean? The 1980 grain embargo? 

Indeed, life can be hard with a room temperature IQ... 

That you didn't get it, that's pretty much expected
Now finish your hysterics, take your history books and start reading and studying. And stop accepting what so painfully distorts reality in your brain
And don't tell me, a resident of the USSR, fairy tales about what happened at that time, why and how it ended.
Or...no... And tell your version of "REALITY" about the history of the collapse of the USSR ? Very interesting reading will be, I'm sure ! Only preferably with figures, indicators, and facts ? I agree to your figures, facts - it will be much funnier !

I'll try to model your behavior: tell me, by the way - why do you wear skis and a short coat at home, over which you put a T-shirt, and put a gas stove in the refrigerator to cook food?

PS about IQ, I'm told by a man with a constant perfectly even line of encepholagram of the brain !  

[serveria.com]

Haha gave me a good laugh (as always) 

So, it turns out Soviet Union collapsed because of the western sanctions? Mkaaaay 

I'm not even sure what sanctions you mean? The 1980 grain embargo? 

Indeed, life can be hard with a room temperature IQ... 

That you didn't get it, that's pretty much expected
Now finish your hysterics, take your history books and start reading and studying. And stop accepting what so painfully distorts reality in your brain
And don't tell me, a resident of the USSR, fairy tales about what happened at that time, why and how it ended.
Or...no... And tell your version of "REALITY" about the history of the collapse of the USSR ? Very interesting reading will be, I'm sure ! Only preferably with figures, indicators, and facts ? I agree to your figures, facts - it will be much funnier !

I'll try to model your behavior: tell me, by the way - why do you wear skis and a short coat at home, over which you put a T-shirt, and put a gas stove in the refrigerator to cook food?

PS about IQ, I'm told by a man with a constant perfectly even line of encepholagram of the brain !  

Haha, so why don't you tell us all forum users what really happened and what was the reason USSR collapsed? Please please enlighten us! Would be great if you'd use some links to sources.

Don't send me to history books - no history book mentions western sanctions as the reason why it happened. They would say something like "people were tired of communism, planned economy and wanted change, freedom etc" but in reality I'm sure USSR got destroyed with some help from the 3 letter agencies by supporting national movements in the republics and local Russian liberal democrats.   

I could only make out a portion of what you were saying. The remaining part is some completely unintelligible gibberish. Perhaps you can discuss skiing at home and cooking in a fridge with your fellow psychiatric facility patients. I'm sure that'll be fun! 

[JoyMarsha]

Why is it surprising that these things always happen in wars, not only the United Kingdom, but I think that all of Europe buys Russian oil and gas, perhaps the United States also does so indirectly.

There are always no values in wars. Arms, contraband and secret deals are active. Politicians give us big words and slogans, but they secretly do morally flawed things. How do you buy oil from your enemy and help him continue his war?

Is this not the highest form of hypocrisy? telling everyone to despise a nation while, behind the scenes, doing business with them. In this situation, who is lying to whom? It's time we stopped basing our decisions on what the US tried to convince us about Russia's conflict with Ukraine. If they can purchase Russian oil, they can still indirectly communicate with Russia about how they want the conflict in Ukraine to continue. 

[Marvell1]

Why is it surprising that these things always happen in wars, not only the United Kingdom, but I think that all of Europe buys Russian oil and gas, perhaps the United States also does so indirectly.

There are always no values in wars. Arms, contraband and secret deals are active. Politicians give us big words and slogans, but they secretly do morally flawed things. How do you buy oil from your enemy and help him continue his war?

Is this not the highest form of hypocrisy? telling everyone to despise a nation while, behind the scenes, doing business with them. In this situation, who is lying to whom? It's time we stopped basing our decisions on what the US tried to convince us about Russia's conflict with Ukraine. If they can purchase Russian oil, they can still indirectly communicate with Russia about how they want the conflict in Ukraine to continue. 

The US is the one who has the right to decide everything about the war between Ukraine and Russia, Ukraine is just a front on the battlefield and any agreement to armistice or continue the war will be decided by the US, Ukraine has no right to decide. 

It is very normal for the EU or any other country to quietly buy oil and gas from Russia. Although the war is still fierce, but all need to maintain their economies under all circumstances. This is not really a secret, but for the sake of both parties, this news will never appear in the media.

The US is just a country and they will always put their own interests first, it's silly to believe what they say. A warlike country and rich from war but always consider itself a messenger of peace.