Russian oil and UK

[Shortmaster]

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK

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[serveria.com]

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK

Not a secret actually. Even Ukraine is secretly buying oil from Russia via the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Turkey etc using US and EU aid. Same for the natural gas. Most countries are doing it although it's not announced publicly.

[STT]

So far as I know the oil goes to India and China which are quite large enough to use it all in theory.  Its only the logistics restricting their consumption really and the ability to buy through clearing not subject to sanctions.   UK is importing oil from Norway last I checked and would be in trouble if not for that quite local support from a small but friendly nation.   UK used its reserves mostly and is not searching to develop more, long term even Russia has a problem with developing its resources properly and efficiently.    
  The reason I say India is because they have only found a small amount of oil in a large expanse and populated nation.  Also India has a policy to import raw crude and make a business from refinement, in fact Indian companies bought UK assets to do so there also but India has a more friendly policy to Russia then many nations I suppose for long term reasons.    UK has literally suffered nerve agent attacks on its mainland from Russian agents, it would be surprising if they ignore all the possible avenues of oil from allies and then transported from so far away.  Anything is possible but sometimes improbable is your best guidance. 
  Russia might have already failed in its war generally if they had sold no goods outside its borders however they do find markets imo its on its borders mostly.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I have stopped following the issue some time ago, but at the time I echoed it:

LMAO: India resells Russian oil to the European Union.

I don't know what kind of hypocrisy underlies this, but it seems to be continuing.

Not a secret actually. Even Ukraine is secretly buying oil from Russia via the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Turkey etc using US and EU aid. Same for the natural gas. Most countries are doing it although it's not announced publicly.

I would at least hope that overall sales to the EU have been reduced, otherwise the show is at its best.

[posi]

  Russia might have already failed in its war generally if they had sold no goods outside its borders however they do find markets imo its on its borders mostly.

Right, if Russia couldn't sell oil and gas, they wouldn't be able to sustain the war and their economy until now. But if the EU countries did not quietly or seek to buy Russian oil and gas through intermediaries, they would not exist today. All will be for their money and survival, but these things we will not see much in the media. War will continue until there is a loser, but commercial transactions between nations will never end under any circumstances caused by war.

[mindrust]

Why don’t the UK and EU use batteries and windmills? I thought oil and gas were bad especially when the seller is Russia… Buying and using oil (and from Russia!) is against the Western values. Some may even call this “treason”. The Europeans should eat vegetables and drive golf carts only. Meat and oil are for the undeveloped parts of the world.

[BitHeir]

There are massive sanctions globally against products from Russia including Russian oil, crude oil to reduce source of income for Russia and restrict their financial flow for their war against Ukraine.

It is a massive sanction efforts from the Western nations but there are always dark markets and Russia actually have some friendly nations to make business deals like China, North Korea, India and countries from Africa.

However sanctions actually reduce their income and their ability to buy and produce more ammunition, armed vehicles because no sanctions can be perfect in reality.

[yhiaali3]

Why is it surprising that these things always happen in wars, not only the United Kingdom, but I think that all of Europe buys Russian oil and gas, perhaps the United States also does so indirectly.

There are always no values in wars. Arms, contraband and secret deals are active. Politicians give us big words and slogans, but they secretly do morally flawed things. How do you buy oil from your enemy and help him continue his war?

[serveria.com]

There are massive sanctions globally against products from Russia including Russian oil, crude oil to reduce source of income for Russia and restrict their financial flow for their war against Ukraine.

It is a massive sanction efforts from the Western nations but there are always dark markets and Russia actually have some friendly nations to make business deals like China, North Korea, India and countries from Africa.

However sanctions actually reduce their income and their ability to buy and produce more ammunition, armed vehicles because no sanctions can be perfect in reality.

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia. Already now, many countries admitted they're buying oil from Russia at a higher price then the limit of $60/barrel set by the EU. Market doesn't give a damn about sanctions and limits. In fact, it works the opposite way - sanctioned goods and resources are getting more expensive (e.g. grain after the grain deal collapsed, oil immediately after the war started etc).

Even if the sanctions would work, it wouldn't lead to Russia stopping the war. Russia is a self-sufficient country. Factory workers are getting their salaries paid in rubles, military personnel is getting paid in rubles. Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

[Ozero]

There are massive sanctions globally against products from Russia including Russian oil, crude oil to reduce source of income for Russia and restrict their financial flow for their war against Ukraine.

It is a massive sanction efforts from the Western nations but there are always dark markets and Russia actually have some friendly nations to make business deals like China, North Korea, India and countries from Africa.

However sanctions actually reduce their income and their ability to buy and produce more ammunition, armed vehicles because no sanctions can be perfect in reality.

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia. Already now, many countries admitted they're buying oil from Russia at a higher price then the limit of $60/barrel set by the EU. Market doesn't give a damn about sanctions and limits. In fact, it works the opposite way - sanctioned goods and resources are getting more expensive (e.g. grain after the grain deal collapsed, oil immediately after the war started etc).

Even if the sanctions would work, it wouldn't lead to Russia stopping the war. Russia is a self-sufficient country. Factory workers are getting their salaries paid in rubles, military personnel is getting paid in rubles. Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

Sanctions against Russia work, but not as effectively as originally thought, because the position of many states is not so unified, and there are many ways to circumvent them. Despite this, the sanctions are slowly and steadily eating away at the Russian economy like rust.

Sanctioned goods tend to rise in price initially because any such event causes panic in the market. The price of grain has also risen because Russia, after withdrawing from the grain agreement on July 17, began to deliberately launch missile and other attacks on the ports of Ukraine, destroying grain storage facilities as well. This causes a stir and additional panic.

[DrBeer]

No surprise there ! Russia, in its usual manner, tried, and partially succeeded, to cheat and circumvent the sanctions.
The scheme was very simple. At first oil was shipped to Baltic ports, there tankers of the terrorist country transferred their oil into other tankers, which were partially filled, for example, with European oil...Voila - it is no longer Urals, but.... well, something else.
And it was on its way to the nearest ports for sale.
This "trickery" was quickly unraveled, and deprived of support (insurance, Britain is the main provider of the service) all tankers that play not according to the rules. Russia began to panic to buy back old tankers and create a "shadow fleet" of tankers. But. The nuance is that these rusty troughs cannot sail far and are not accepted by EU ports. And they all sailed to places - where they don't care about risks and ecology - China and India. And they have been buying it back for pennies for many months now.....

[coupable]

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK

Not a secret actually. Even Ukraine is secretly buying oil from Russia via the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Turkey etc using US and EU aid. Same for the natural gas. Most countries are doing it although it's not announced publicly.

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

[Flexystar]

Why don’t the UK and EU use batteries and windmills? I thought oil and gas were bad especially when the seller is Russia… Buying and using oil (and from Russia!) is against the Western values. Some may even call this “treason”. The Europeans should eat vegetables and drive golf carts only. Meat and oil are for the undeveloped parts of the world.

Yeah but they still need oil for various other things. It’s not just oil -> oil, but it’s oil for running the vehicles, AC units, pumping the heated water through radiator, warming the corporate buildings, burning the stoves and what not. It’s not gonna stop at all. Europeans or someone else oil is as essential as its getting limited by its natural occurrence.

Definitely they know this very well and can’t survive without it. They will have to buy it at any cost to sustain the life they had.

We have come to era where they can’t go in the woods, collect and cut it to burn and heat things up for their daily lifestyle.

[DrBeer]

There are massive sanctions globally against products from Russia including Russian oil, crude oil to reduce source of income for Russia and restrict their financial flow for their war against Ukraine.

It is a massive sanction efforts from the Western nations but there are always dark markets and Russia actually have some friendly nations to make business deals like China, North Korea, India and countries from Africa.

However sanctions actually reduce their income and their ability to buy and produce more ammunition, armed vehicles because no sanctions can be perfect in reality.

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia. Already now, many countries admitted they're buying oil from Russia at a higher price then the limit of $60/barrel set by the EU. Market doesn't give a damn about sanctions and limits. In fact, it works the opposite way - sanctioned goods and resources are getting more expensive (e.g. grain after the grain deal collapsed, oil immediately after the war started etc).

Even if the sanctions would work, it wouldn't lead to Russia stopping the war. Russia is a self-sufficient country. Factory workers are getting their salaries paid in rubles, military personnel is getting paid in rubles. Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

You can tell tales of high prices to patients at the home for the mentally ill

And the fact that you are lying is easier to be convinced than to breathe ! According to the "forge of lies" - Russian official channels - oil sales have not fallen, prices have even increased...but the budget does not receive more than 50% of oil revenues, compared to the previous period. Question : 2+2 = 1,5 ?
And it is very easy to understand why. India and China, very cleverly, and for their own benefit manipulate Russia and its oil market. Yes, prices are announced at 60 and even higher. But there is a nuance:
- a high declared price is an excuse to fool their population into buying cheap gasoline (as they do in India).
- A high declared price in DOLLARS, a small manipulation turns into.... half of this money gets stuck in India (friendship - what do you want !? ). The rest - lies dead weight in Russia, as India does not sell dollars or critical goods for rupees )
- Also, China's purchase - the price is announced, but in the end - a pile of wrappers (yuan) in Russia and .... ALL, no more revenues, just phantoms and commodities for pennies, which neither Indians nor Chinese want to buy

[Zlantann]

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

Sometimes I don't blame them because they are considering national interest before international politics. Russia is a big player in the oil and gas sector, hence many nations depend on it and will continue to depend on her for oil and gas for a long time. And because of the war, Russia is selling its product at discounts so most countries are attracted to Russia's oil and gas. This war in Ukraine has thought me that every nation should seek peace with other nations because war is unpredictable. And relying on allies for assistance during conflict might be a big mistake because most of them have limitations, hence they can disappoint.

[DrBeer]

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

Sometimes I don't blame them because they are considering national interest before international politics. Russia is a big player in the oil and gas sector, hence many nations depend on it and will continue to depend on her for oil and gas for a long time. And because of the war, Russia is selling its product at discounts so most countries are attracted to Russia's oil and gas. This war in Ukraine has thought me that every nation should seek peace with other nations because war is unpredictable. And relying on allies for assistance during conflict might be a big mistake because most of them have limitations, hence they can disappoint.

There are no direct oil supplies to NATO countries. That's fantasy. There is foul play by some third party suppliers. Read above - I described the scheme of how some oil "resellers" hide Russian oil by mixing it with other grades and passing it off as oil of other origin. Minor volumes of such oil do get into the EU market. But both the EU and Britain and the U.S. are actively fighting this re-export of international terrorist resources.

Official statistics: 86%-87% of Russian oil is bought by India and China. Small volumes go to Turkey. A little goes to Asian countries: Vietnam, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

PS always check the information before evaluating it

[Kakmakr]

The Western sanctions are sabotaged with back room deals from India and China and some African countries. The markets just adapt and the Oil still flow through new channels to the UK and other countries that supposedly support the sanctions.

Russia has shown no indication that the sanctions are hurting them, because they just opened up new revenue sources through other nations. The sanctions are just a "smoke&mirror" show by Politicians to satisfy their voters, but the money and oil are still doing business like usual. 

[serveria.com]

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

Sometimes I don't blame them because they are considering national interest before international politics. Russia is a big player in the oil and gas sector, hence many nations depend on it and will continue to depend on her for oil and gas for a long time. And because of the war, Russia is selling its product at discounts so most countries are attracted to Russia's oil and gas. This war in Ukraine has thought me that every nation should seek peace with other nations because war is unpredictable. And relying on allies for assistance during conflict might be a big mistake because most of them have limitations, hence they can disappoint.

There are no direct oil supplies to NATO countries. That's fantasy. There is foul play by some third party suppliers. Read above - I described the scheme of how some oil "resellers" hide Russian oil by mixing it with other grades and passing it off as oil of other origin. Minor volumes of such oil do get into the EU market. But both the EU and Britain and the U.S. are actively fighting this re-export of international terrorist resources.

Official statistics: 86%-87% of Russian oil is bought by India and China. Small volumes go to Turkey. A little goes to Asian countries: Vietnam, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

PS always check the information before evaluating it

Please don't take our little lying propagandist shill friend seriously. Here's some official data: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/whos-still-buying-russian-fossil-fuels-in-2023/

Guess who's TOP3 buyer of Russian fossils? Surprise! Turkey is also on the list btw, and Turkey is a NATO country.

Besides: https://nra.lv/latvija/410937-vairakus-menesus-caur-latviju-uz-ukrainu-ar-viltotiem-dokumentiem-tiek-vesta-krievijas-degviela.htm Google translate this article. It's about Ukraine secretly buying Russian oil with fake shipping documents.  

[Smack That Ace]

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

Sometimes I don't blame them because they are considering national interest before international politics. Russia is a big player in the oil and gas sector, hence many nations depend on it and will continue to depend on her for oil and gas for a long time. And because of the war, Russia is selling its product at discounts so most countries are attracted to Russia's oil and gas. This war in Ukraine has thought me that every nation should seek peace with other nations because war is unpredictable. And relying on allies for assistance during conflict might be a big mistake because most of them have limitations, hence they can disappoint.

If you don't blame them and know that the national interest must come first, you should not call them hypocrites, because they only do what is beneficial to the country and that is their responsibility. Although they are supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia, they cannot leave their people alone for the sake of outsiders. It is citizens who are the main factor determining the survival of European nations, not Ukraine's victory over Russia more important.
I don't support Europe for their continued support of war weapons but I wouldn't be surprised and support them if they buy Russian oil in any way.

[serveria.com]

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

Sometimes I don't blame them because they are considering national interest before international politics. Russia is a big player in the oil and gas sector, hence many nations depend on it and will continue to depend on her for oil and gas for a long time. And because of the war, Russia is selling its product at discounts so most countries are attracted to Russia's oil and gas. This war in Ukraine has thought me that every nation should seek peace with other nations because war is unpredictable. And relying on allies for assistance during conflict might be a big mistake because most of them have limitations, hence they can disappoint.

If you don't blame them and know that the national interest must come first, you should not call them hypocrites, because they only do what is beneficial to the country and that is their responsibility. Although they are supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia, they cannot leave their people alone for the sake of outsiders. It is citizens who are the main factor determining the survival of European nations, not Ukraine's victory over Russia more important.
I don't support Europe for their continued support of war weapons but I wouldn't be surprised and support them if they buy Russian oil in any way.

Yes, yes, yes, the voice of reason, finally! Would you give your neighbor, whose house is on fire, some water, knowing that your children are thirsty? Probably no, that's brutal truth. Strong national governments take care of their people and won't send more aid than they can afford. Weak, artificially installed (and remotely governed from the other side of the pond) governments spend billions on Ukraine and neglect their own people.