Hhampuz using his position on forum to vindicate scams

[UmerIdrees]

Why are you using a new account?

Because I don't want to be targeted by others.

Why don't you come up with your real account and tell all these things. If you believe that you are saying the correct thing, trust me no one can harm you. Hiding behind a newbie account doesn't help your arguement any good.

I know signature campaign guys won't care to step up because Hhampuz will not take them into any campaigns in future.

Aren't you doing the same thing ? Hiding your main account which may in Hhampuz campaign already or even if it is not currently, you fear that Hhampuz  won't take you in campiagns in future  

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[holydarkness]

[...]
After this response, Rollbit Razer did not reply on this case anymore while the accuser is suspected of abusing the Rakeback system. They were placing bets on low-odd matches to wager and claim bonuses or something. The problem is Rollbit Razer did not share what he abused.
[...]

Thank you for the summary, it pretty much summed things up --to an extent-- of the entire case of Rollbit v. Stakemeharder. However, you missed a point where Razer did gave a reply, though indirectly. Rollbit and Razer did not let the case hang dry. He replied to my PM for the case and which they agreed to solve it through a platform where they can freely provide evidences without having a concern of accidentally revealing their security secrets and detection techniques. And the platform that they recommended is the highest one: their very own licensor. As per the PM of I have the permission to share to public,

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Hey there,

Appreciate you following up about this.

Please feel free to share our response here within the thread.

If OP wishes to send a complaint to our licensor, this can be done via complaints@gaming-curacao.com

Our team will respond promptly to such requests.

Thanks,
Razer

Hope this helps.

Now, to address OP's allegation that Hhampuz use his position to vindicate scam, where the content of the thread refers to Rollbit, which implies the scam being referred on the title is Rollbit, with scam accusations against Rollbit as the basis of the argument. I wrote a nice list about it that happened and piled during Razer's short hiatus:

[...]
So, to summarize and reflect to the latest situation, accusations about Rollbit are as follows:
1. Rollbit - scam 5k - GDPR PROBLEM
2. Rollbit disables account and seizes funds (10.2k)! - pending for CEG's decision
3. Community Warning - Rollbit ⚠️
4. Rollbit hold funds and ignore in chat
5. scam warning rollbit.com banned my account
6. rollbit scam (255 USDT)
[...]

If I may tweak that list according to the latet update, case number 1 might as good as closed given the OP of that case never say anything anymore, so most likely they tried to abuse and found that they can't win [I'll level with you that I barely remember the case], and case number 2... of which mentioned above as Rollbit v. Stakemeharder, I made an error by referring them to CEG instead of GC, but everything is back on track. Stakemeharder had submitted his complaint and most likely GC [GamingCuracao, not CG, CasinoGuru] is in the middle of it.

And if I may add case number 7, Rollbit Stealing $10k from me, or we can probably refer it to Rollbit v. goodboyshams to avoid confusion as the amount is quite similar, Razer has also gave their stance for it, again, through my exchange of PM with him,

[...]
Edit: Got a reply from Razer, Rollbit is more than willing to cooperate and answer to any third party addressing this issue. Given there's no ADR that's suitable for this case [sportsbetting related] you can escalate it to complaints@gaming-curacao.com. Please note that the ruling made by the master license holder is final and binding to both parties, so both parties has to honor the final decision made by GC.

"Bottomline", "what I tried to say", "tl;dr:", "in short", whatever this next sentence serves: IMO this thread is somewhat baseless. To accuse Hhampuz of vindicating a scammer --in this case, Rollbit-- by leaving positive feedback to "counter" the negatives, the scammer themselves need to be proven as a scammer, thus the accusation/statement/question will have its weight, while what happens here is the opposite. Rollbit tackles the accusations against them in their best capacity without having to jeopardize their system. And when they can't, they'll redirect the complainant to their master license holder.

Will the last two cases rule in favor to the accuser or will it rule in favor to Rollbit is yet to be reached. But so far, evidences suggested that Rollbit did not scam their customer by confiscating funds without strong basis, thus, an idea that they're a scammer is yet to have a final say. And thus, an idea that Hhampuz use his position to vindicate scams [Rollbit] is also yet to have a final say. Thus, ultimately, baseless. Or, at the very least, premature.

Might be wise to mention here, though it's probably useless, that the trust system did not work like how it used to be. One Neg and one Pos does not negate each other, they still shows as a separate score.

Oh, and before anyone accuse me of siding with Rollbit --or Hhampuz, although that one is quite far fetched-- I think anyone who frequently visit scam accusations board will notice I haunt that board on daily basis to a point that probably Cyrus got bored of seeing me [LOL]. I tried my best to mediate disputes at best of my capacity there. When a user proven to be cheated, I'll agree with it, and when the opposite thing happen where a user tried to manipulate "The Neutrals" by driving certain narrative --if I may borrow yahoo's words, "the accuser usually isn't sharing the whole story. They're sharing the part that makes them look like they were scammed."-- I'll make it clear too.

[DireWolfM14]

And why didn't you @OP login into your main account instead of this Newbie account you created today?

That was literally the first thing the OP addressed.

Define "targeted by others"

What are you doing now?

Why don't you come up with your real account and tell all these things.

Is there an echo in here?

Why do you guys care if the OP used a throwaway account?  The issue brought up by the OP was a good one.  He had a concern, asked the question, and got the answer from the community.  I'm not defending the OP, HH's review is perfectly justified, in my opinion.  This thread was valuable until about post 17, so now it's just going to be filled with spammers attacking the OP's choice to use an alt?  Don't you guys have better things to do?

Really, it's as if you guys are on que, making the case for the OP's choice and his first comment.

The issue here isn't that the OP used an alt (which was smart for obvious reasons,) but whether HH's review was unjustified, and whether Rollbit is scamming it's clients.  The status of the account who brought up the issue is meaningless.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

No clients of mine would ever ask me to intervene in a case or give them positive feedback/support or oppose a flag from a position of power or legitimacy. I rarely even discuss these cases with my clients as I give my opinion on the matter to them in private if/when that happens. I'm not on DT1 and I've never asked to be put in these situations, at the end of the day I'm just a user like many of you, with my own opinions and thoughts on what's going on here.

For this particular case, my personal belief is that this user took advantage of a system and came out ahead of it (profit). He then got called out for it by Rollbit and subsequently banned with any remaining funds confiscated. I do not see a problem with this. Had this user not been in profit, I would probably argue otherwise and give Rollbit some sort of ultimatums to get it solved. It's a matter of opinion. Some of you guys around here are extremely naive and have absolutely no idea what it takes to run a business. You can have all of your wishful thinking and your own opinions, which you are entitled to, but I am a firm believer in trusting businesses that deal in extreme volumes over single case users on this forum. I also am a firm believer in the service not having to share full details of what abuse any user has committed as that would only open the door for more abuse. It's actually quite simple - don't be an asshat and don't try and take advantage of these services and you will in 99.9% of cases never face any issues. Obviously the service can be wrong sometimes too, but most often it gets resolved quickly when that happens.

I have had accounts on all gambling sites I promote without letting the client know that it's me, with major deposits/withdraws and thorough testing over long periods of time and I never face any issues. I've even been nasty to support reps just to see what would happen and never do they treat me wrong.

So, if you are of the opinion that I'm in a position of power where I can silence users who have legitimately been scammed by a service that I run a campaign for - by all means ~Hhampuz. My feelings about this, and the smaller "clique" of users who love to farm drama and bad scam accusations will likely not change.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Your TED talk report was read very carefully and I have no problem trusting your opinion on any matter. You earned it from the years of dedication from the profession.

But in this specific matter please help me to believe that you were not asked by your employer to do something about it. I can not know what talk you had in between you and your employer but I can speculate, I could be totally wrong in my speculation.

I was closely following some of the cases against Rollbit at that time, I think in a few occasions I PMed their PR and requested to resolve things, I was just helping them to clean the accusations. I know when a business invest in the forum, it benefits the forum ecosystem, it helps bitcointalk forum to grow and become stronger. So when I find any negative vibration against any establish business, I always try to give them benefit of the doubt and try to keep them out of dart as much as I can but when something become too obvious and looks too odd which become hard to convince myself then I do things that I don't want to do. The forum is first after all.

My speculation, you saw the negative feedback I left, you were not completely sure what to do. On the other hand, you needed to make things easier too. So your immediate action was to leave a feedback of your experience with Rollbit over the years of relationship you had.

I don't disagree with the feedback you left, sure you are working for them for long two years, without having a good relationship with them, you could not continue the campaign. So your feedback is absolutely correct. But what absolutely wrong about this feedback was, it came just after a feedback that was left there to make others aware that Rollbit is not taking proper care of the accusations coming against them, they deny the payment, don't even give a good explanation. It happened in several occasions if I remember correctly or I would not even think about leaving the negative feedback.

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So, to summarize and reflect to the latest situation, accusations about Rollbit are as follows:
1. Rollbit - scam 5k - GDPR PROBLEM
2. Rollbit disables account and seizes funds (10.2k)! - pending for CEG's decision
3. Community Warning - Rollbit ⚠️
4. Rollbit hold funds and ignore in chat
5. scam warning rollbit.com banned my account
6. rollbit scam (255 USDT)
[...]

If I may tweak that list according to the latet update, case number 1 might as good as closed given the OP of that case never say anything anymore, so most likely they tried to abuse and found that they can't win [I'll level with you that I barely remember the case], and case number 2... of which mentioned above as Rollbit v. Stakemeharder, I made an error by referring them to CEG instead of GC, but everything is back on track. Stakemeharder had submitted his complaint and most likely GC [GamingCuracao, not CG, CasinoGuru] is in the middle of it.

And if I may add case number 7, Rollbit Stealing $10k from me, or we can probably refer it to Rollbit v. goodboyshams to avoid confusion as the amount is quite similar, Razer has also gave their stance for it, again, through my exchange of PM with him,

[...]
Edit: Got a reply from Razer, Rollbit is more than willing to cooperate and answer to any third party addressing this issue. Given there's no ADR that's suitable for this case [sportsbetting related] you can escalate it to complaints@gaming-curacao.com. Please note that the ruling made by the master license holder is final and binding to both parties, so both parties has to honor the final decision made by GC.

Thank you. You are always helpful with information and update. I must give another benefit of doubt since I see there are not many new cases are made against Rollbit.

BitcoinGirl.club summed up very nicely (highly appreciated) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449402.msg62338319#msg62338319

And what moral authority does that one member provide to your allegation? It is one member that you singled out from thousands and used him as an example of behaving positively/fairly but how does it bring any credibility to your claim from that one member? He is literally a nobody with no moral authority in the forum therefore what type of elevated status are you personally granting him?

JollyGood, I am thinking of a promotion to collect all the good talks you give about me whenever you have a chance and reward some btc to the collectors. May be you start a reverse engineering tactic to empty my wallet. 15,555 posts [huge, huge contribution, unbelievable, If 1 Ratimov = 1000 Bitcoingirl then it looks like 1 JollyGood = 1200 Bitcoingirl. I am nobody and PROVED] made so far. You understand what I mean? This will be your chance to make me homeless.

@theymos, can I change my nick to Mr. Nobody please 🙄

[Hhampuz]

@BitcoinGirl.club I'll bet you any amount or reputation on nobody from Rollbit asking me to to anything about any accusations, trust or flags.

I have sometimes been asked by other clients what they can do and I always tell them to ignore it.

My conversations with any Rollbit staff has been the following for the longest time:
-hey, the wallet is running low could you top it up when you have time?
-I've topped up 4 weeks for you, have a great rest of your week!

Done. I have been the one asking them about some cases from time to time, maybe telling them they should reply or otherwise but we've never discussed discourse or anything of the kind. The fact that you of all people would even question me on that or for a second believe that's who I am makes me more glad the coincidental positive was left after your wrongful negative tag.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

@BitcoinGirl.club I'll bet you any amount or reputation on nobody from Rollbit asking me to to anything about any accusations, trust or flags.

I have sometimes been asked by other clients what they can do and I always tell them to ignore it.

My conversations with any Rollbit staff has been the following for the longest time:
-hey, the wallet is running low could you top it up when you have time?
-I've topped up 4 weeks for you, have a great rest of your week!

Done. I have been the one asking them about some cases from time to time, maybe telling them they should reply or otherwise but we've never discussed discourse or anything of the kind. The fact that you of all people would even question me on that or for a second believe that's who I am makes me more glad the coincidental positive was left after your wrongful negative tag.

No question. I believe you. My speculation was wrong. We are good. Coincidental timing between two feedback [F**k I removed it even before making the last post] accepted.

But wrongful negative tag? You sure it was wrongfully given. Even after my TED report? You are not able to see a case against Rollbit or any company where you are working like the way I will see. I have no interest [receive personal benefit] where you have benefits.

[Hhampuz]

But wrongful negative tag? You sure it was wrongfully given. Even after my TED report? You are not able to see a case against Rollbit or any company where you are working like the way I will see. I have no interest [receive personal benefit] where you have benefits.

If I believe that the case was wrong and Rollbit is not to blame for this user being banned or their funds being confiscated, I have to believe that any negative tag left on the Rollbit account regarding this case is wrong. Again, it's my interpretation of this case, and your opinion on the matter. I do not believe that Rollbit did anything wrong (from what has been shown as evidence).

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

But wrongful negative tag? You sure it was wrongfully given. Even after my TED report? You are not able to see a case against Rollbit or any company where you are working like the way I will see. I have no interest [receive personal benefit] where you have benefits.

If I believe that the case was wrong and Rollbit is not to blame for this user being banned or their funds being confiscated, I have to believe that any negative tag left on the Rollbit account regarding this case is wrong. Again, it's my interpretation of this case, and your opinion on the matter. I do not believe that Rollbit did anything wrong (from what has been shown as evidence).

When the negative was left at that time if you read the feedback then you will see there were lack of taking care of the accusations, not providing convincing explanations, denying payments. Even when they were asked they were repeating inconvincing/unrelated response.

Let's see an example:

To reiterate for anyone new here, the player is in profit.

So when you are requested to collaborate to clear an accusation but in response you continue response like this which do not have any evidence to support you, how many times you think you will feel ok [!] everything is good?

The reason I removed the negative feedback is because from holydarkness collections on his last post I see the accusations are reducing, it looks like they are solving accusations. If it was left the same like it was before when the feedback was given then you would not see I changed the mind. Your vouch worked to remove any other doubts too that was still left.

The feedback seemed wrongful to you because you saw evidence [I trust that they indeed showed you evidence] but it was not wrongful to everyone else [public domain] of us because there were nothing that were shown to us, nothing given to us to feel comfortable that Rollbit is in the right road.

Anyway, I think you are giving too much to them. Rollbit really needs to improve their forum relation, it's not something you can fix for them. Just because spending money in advertising does not mean anything about them will be overlooked. This time you took the matter in your hand. Would you do the same next time too or even 3rd time? I don't think it will be a good idea. So ask them to improve. If they don't then don't trust but verify will become obvious otherwise.

Don't misunderstand me, I am on your side. I assume you are aware of Betnomi right now. Imagine [keep it in imagination only] if any such thing happen with Rollbit tomorrow or in the very near future, don't you think you will be questioned before anyone else? Don't give too much to one project. You have many projects to take care and forum needs members like you.

[Hhampuz]

It's a difference of opinion @BitcoinGirl.Club, you think they should cuddle the users who come here to bitcointalk by giving you and other members here access to see what's going on behind the scenes. There's nothing they could do other than show you exactly what the user did which then means they open themselves up to more abuse. We'll just have to agree to disagree and I'll never operate on "what if's", with the information I have here and now there are no signs that Rollbit are or will scam their users.

And just for the record, I never ask my clients for any proof of how they find cheaters, nor do they share it with me on their own initiative. Besides that the people that handle these cases are rarely the same people that handle marketing.

Again, you will look at it one way which a lot of users here do, maybe many of you have had bad experiences with gambling sites and that's why you have some preconceived idea and jump straight to conclusions whenever a user comes here with an allegation.

[JCLadisav]

@DireWolfM14 Thank you for making sense. People asking why I am using a throwaway account is exactly the reason I had to use it

Let's address some questions

@JollyGood

Until or unless you are prepared to use your real forum name to make a complaint you are doing a disservice to the community therefore you should lock this thread.

This doesn't make sense, neither am I making a complaint. I see something wrong happening on the forum and I created a thread about it. Discuss the problem mentioned, not the accounts and stats, those don't matter to me.

Even the staff members are involved in cheating giveaways, so the profiles and stars only last until you get caught and don't hold any value.


@yahoo62278

They cannot share some information to all of the forum.

They can share with the trusted members of the forum, in this case Hhampuz and they can confirm the player was at fault. Believing what the casino says is just as wrong as believing what the players says. Either trust both or none.


@Despairo

This is the feedback where Hhampuz left to Rollbit Razer's account, it's really valid because Rollbit's team isn't scamming him until now as the signature campaign is always paying the manager and the participants, which part is wrong for you?

The timing is the problem, not the feedback. He has worked with them since 2021 but ONLY left feedback after the -ve which is clearly to counter the negative and the neutral feedbacks.

If he sees that accusations are being made against a company he works with, he should ask for more details rather than skipping everything and giving out +ve feedbacks and countering the flags (without any explanation)


@LoyceV

Sorry, I was not aware you have high-volume sirens ringing around when someone mentions your name or messages you on the forum.

The discussion isn't about whether the player is right or the casino. It's about blindly supporting or opposing any party without ever commenting on the thread. I don't remember hhampuz ever replied on the scam accusation or flag threads.


@Learn Bitcoin

I still believe the feedback from Hhampuz is valid, and there is no wrong.

The fact you have to clarify your stance is the reason I used throwaway account

@JollyGood

In all honesty, any notion that Hhampuz is using his position as a campaign manager to give scams the green light, is preposterous. With his years of management within the forum, for any allegation against Hhampuz to be taken seriously there needs to more than an aggrieved member not happy with positive feedback which he mistakenly sees as an endorsement of a scam.

If you are not ready to discuss a matter just because it's involving/accusing a reputed member, then please stay away from the thread. You can give him a fe more +ve feedbacks instead. I don't worship people.



@Hhampuz

Thank you for speaking up and making more sense than people worshipping you.

No clients of mine would ever ask me to intervene in a case or give them positive feedback/support or oppose a flag from a position of power or legitimacy

Great. Can you explain how you only left a feedback 2 weeks after the -ve (and neutral) feedback? Because to talk about it, you are working for them for 2 years and the account you gave feedback isn't even their main account.

If you were to give feedback without considering the -ve feedback, it would be to the Rollbit's main profile. No?


@albon

As mentioned, his job is to promote only. It is the responsibility of any member or player to do his own research.

Are you ok? This is exactly what I am also saying lol. He should promote something but not defend them just because he is promoting them. It's called conflict of interest. You are staying in his campaign don't worry


@Hhampuz

My conversations with any Rollbit staff has been the following for the longest time:
-hey, the wallet is running low could you top it up when you have time?
-I've topped up 4 weeks for you, have a great rest of your week!

So you are saying you never had any discussion with them about the scam accusations and flags crated against them?

If you know the case and you are defending them, you should have at least asked them some details

And quite hilarious how you gave them counter +ve feedback, defended the flags ALONE, but never even cared to discuss them about it

[holydarkness]

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I see that you addressed so many people's response to your statement, I'd really appreciate if you can give your opinion regarding mine; that in order for this accusation to be valid, Rollbit themselves has to be proven as a scammer, whereas cases against them are currently mostly solved.

[DireWolfM14]

@Hhampuz
Can you explain how you only left a feedback 2 weeks after the -ve (and neutral) feedback? Because to talk about it, you are working for them for 2 years and the account you gave feedback isn't even their main account.

The review is accurate from his perspective, the timing is irrelevant.  If he had written something excusing the scam accusation that would be different.  

Hhampuz has already stated that in his opinion the accusation is without merit.  He has no evidence to counter the accusation because Rollbit hasn't shared it with him.  It would be a breach of Rollbit's and their client's privacy to share that information with Hhampuz.  Sharing any personal or proprietary information with anyone on this forum (even the campaign manager) would be irresponsible of Rollbit, and likely a violation of their information protection policy.

I can only assume that Hhampuz added his review to the account that was red-tagged to counter the negative review, as you suggest.  However, as long as the review is accurate and pertinent to his interaction with the account I don't see it as a problem.  We're all human, and to me it's not only acceptable, but noble and loyal that he took it upon himself to counter a negative review he felt was based solely on speculation.  This is a client with which he's had years of experience, and his decision to defend their reputation by including himself as "character witness" isn't suspicious to me at all, even if was only to counter the negative review.

[JCLadisav]

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I see that you addressed so many people's response to your statement, I'd really appreciate if you can give your opinion regarding mine; that in order for this accusation to be valid, Rollbit themselves has to be proven as a scammer, whereas cases against them are currently mostly solved.

I have never questioned Rollbit's authenticity if you read it again. I would be equally against if someone from DT left them a negative feedback without proper reasoning on their part.

Leaving feedback and opposing flags without even knowing the case details, as Hhampuz admitted he isn't aware of the specific case, is a problem.

I will outline the problems here:

1- Hhampuz claims that he doesn't know about the case but left the feedback to the "sub-account" where -ve feedback was given and not the main account.

2- Let's assume suddenly after 2 years, he decided to give a +ve feedback while they are defending an accusation, which he has every right to, why would be giving that to a sub-account and not the main account? This is only possible when he is intending to counter the negative feedback.

3- If Hhampuz isn't aware of the specific case, should he oppose the flag?

4- I've noticed in the past too, Hhampuz has given feedback to people shouting against the casinos he promotes, such as Roobet and Duelbits. I am not saying the feedbacks are wrong or right but as an outside promoter for any business, I don't think he should act as the lawyer and defend everyone who speaks against the casinos, not least without valid reasons.


@DireWolfM14

Hhampuz has already stated that in his opinion the accusation is without merit.  He has no evidence to counter the accusation because Rollbit hasn't shared it with him.  It would be a breach of Rollbit's and their client's privacy to share that information with Hhampuz.  Sharing any personal or proprietary information with anyone on this forum (even the campaign manager) would be irresponsible of Rollbit, and likely a violation of their information protection policy.

Now that's the problem. If he does not have details about the case, despite knowing the people behind the scenes, then he shouldn't interfere and let a neutral investigation follow. Opposing the flag without a reason just based on his personal experience is not the right thing to do.

Imagine if I have played and paid (withdraw) by 1xbit, a known scam, should I go and defend everyone speaking against them? Just because I had good experience, doesn't mean everyone gets the same treatment. Letting a neutral investigation happen is what I am asking for, without using his position on the forum to suppress or incite the case.

[DireWolfM14]

@DireWolfM14

He has no evidence to counter the accusation

Now that's the problem.

It's not a problem at all.  As I said, it would be problematic if Hhampuz's review somehow mentioned the accusation or refuted it, but the review makes no mention of the scam accusation.

If he does not have details about the case, despite knowing the people behind the scenes, then he shouldn't interfere and let a neutral investigation follow.

He's not going to get the details, so forget about it.  If Rollbit was your casino would you disclose sensitive data to some anonymous guy on the internet?  Even if he was responsible for promoting my business, I would protect as much information about my organization as jealously as possible.  Need to know basis, and Hhampuz doesn't need to know shit.  

And, you and I will have to disagree about whether that's interference or not.  Would Hhampuz's review prevent me from red-tagging the account if I felt there was sufficient evidence of scamming?  No, it would not.

Opposing the flag without a reason just based on his personal experience is not the right thing to do.

That's exactly the right thing to do.  There's no more evidence of a scam than there is of no scam.  His experience with the team behind Rollbit is more significant than anyone else's on this forum, so why would we discount his assessment of their character?  You're jumping to the conclusion that he's trying to protect his client or his income, but I've known Hhampuz for too long to believe he would compromise his ethics in that way.

Imagine if I have played and paid (withdraw) by 1xbit, a known scam, should I go and defend everyone speaking against them? Just because I had good experience, doesn't mean everyone gets the same treatment. Letting a neutral investigation happen is what I am asking for, without using his position on the forum to suppress or incite the case.

Lol, some people got their panties in a wad about 1xBit, but I'm not one of them.  Yeah, 1xBit got a lot of bad reviews and you know what they say about smoke and fire, but I've yet to see enough evidence to say that they are definitely scammers.  Their reviews were enough to keep me away.  And don't look to me to justify all the frivolous tagging of 1xBit sig-campaigners that went on around here.  That's JollyGood's job.

[JCLadisav]

@DireWolfM14

He has no evidence to counter the accusation

Now that's the problem.

It's not a problem at all.  As I said, it would be problematic if Hhampuz's review somehow mentioned the accusation or refuted it, but the review makes no mention of the scam accusation.

If he does not have details about the case, despite knowing the people behind the scenes, then he shouldn't interfere and let a neutral investigation follow.

He's no going to get the details, so forget about it.  If Rollbit was your casino would you disclose sensitive data to some anonymous guy on the internet?  Even if he was responsible for promoting my business, I would protect as much information about my organization as jealously as possible.  Need to know basis, and Hhampuz doesn't need to know shit.  

And, you and I will have to disagree about whether that's interference or not.  Would Hhampuz's review prevent me from red-tagging the account if I felt there was sufficient evidence of scamming?  No, it would not.

Opposing the flag without a reason just based on his personal experience is not the right thing to do.

That's exactly the right thing to do.  There's no more evidence of a scam than there is of no scam.  His experience with the team behind Rollbit is more significant than anyone else's on this forum, so why would we discount his assessment of their character?

Imagine if I have played and paid (withdraw) by 1xbit, a known scam, should I go and defend everyone speaking against them? Just because I had good experience, doesn't mean everyone gets the same treatment. Letting a neutral investigation happen is what I am asking for, without using his position on the forum to suppress or incite the case.

Lol, some people got their panties in a wad about 1xBit, but I'm not one of them.  Yeah, 1xBit got a lot of bad reviews and you know what they say about smoke and fire, but I've yet to see enough evidence to say that they are scammers.  Their reviews were enough to keep me away.  And don't look to me to justify all the frivolous tagging of 1xBit sig-campaigners that went on around here.  That's JollyGood's job.

Makes sense. The idea was to have an open discussion without putting my reputation and account at stake. I think I am satisfied with the situation so may be closing the thread soon, allowing 24 hours for anyone who wishes to reply.

Thanks for bringing some sense into the discussion. And no I don't have any experience, good or bad, with 1xbit either but it was purely for explaining the situation.

[Pmalek]

Following Bitcoingirl.club's feedback, 17 days later, on 18th June,  Hhampuz counters the feedback by stating "I have worked with Rollbit for well over 2 years now and have never had any issues. Great people behind the scenes and an innovative casino where I've played lots without problems."

Date of (+ve) feedback: 18th June, 2023

I think this is a clear case of Hhampuz misusing his position to counter a valid feedback. Neither he provides any reason or insight as to why the funds were seized although he claims to know the great people behind the scenes at Rollbit.

Trust feedback is supposed to show your experience dealing with a person. It shouldn't match what others say and feel about that person. So, if you had a good trade with someone or did some business with them that you feel like sharing, the feedback system is the place to do that. The same is true if your experience was negative. Hhampuz has every right to post a about his positive experience the same way those who believe they were harmed can post about their negative experience. A big mistake people do before leaving feedback is checking who else has posted and what. If it's mostly negative, I am not going to say anything positive and vice versa. That's wrong. It's your experience that matters, regardless what the community thinks of it. 

2 flags were created against Rollbit and everyone supported the flag and provided reasons while Hhmpuz opposed the flag and didn't care to reason it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3178

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3194

I don't know how the support looked like the day you created this thread, but "everyone" supporting the flags is simply wrong. They currently have only BitcoinGirl.Club from the DT club that supports them together with a few non-DT members. Regarding Hhampuz's opposition of the flag. If he read and looked at the evidence and didn't agree Rollbit did anything wrong, he is correct by opposing the flag. If he opposed it just based on his previous positive encounters with the casino and its personnel without even looking at the evidence presented, I think he is in the wrong.   

[Poker Player]

I don't know how the support looked like the day you created this thread, but "everyone" supporting the flags is simply wrong. They currently have only BitcoinGirl.Club from the DT club that supports them together with a few non-DT members.  

If we take into account that the flags reference a post from April 19, and we read the neutral tag he left on May 6, I give even less weight to the flags.

To my knowledge there are two accusation against Rollbit but they are not co-operating with clients. The accusation could be right or wrong. Before playing in Rollbit consider checking the development of both cases.

[BenCodie]

This...is an interesting case. I've seen flaws in a lot of members on the forum however Hhampuz has never been one of them.

Though, given what I see almost every time to login to bitcointalk - being casinos using shady practices to confiscate funds, rip off players, while paying their promoters, campaign managers, etc. I am unfortunately, not surprised. That does not mean that Hhampuz is guilty for knowingly helping Rollbit despite also knowing malpractice, though something should definitely be done.

Another campaign for BC.Game that is running, is also one that is similar to this case. L0tt0.com on the other hand, is managed by BoXoB who also promoted a casino that ended up scamming for tens/hundreds of millions. I mention both of these cases as there definitely needs to be some sort of refinement of the responsibility that campaign managers have when they are running campaigns. They are, after all, a vehicle of trust and marketing between the casino and players.

[Upgrade00]

A big mistake people do before leaving feedback is checking who else has posted and what. If it's mostly negative, I am not going to say anything positive and vice versa. That's wrong. It's your experience that matters, regardless what the community thinks of it.  

I disagree on this. Feedbacks and reputation are not things that work out in isolation. Many users give negative feedback or positive (but mostly negative) based on the proof presented by others and that's how it should work.

A website appears on the forum and are accused by a lot of users of scamming, if I go through the reference provided and consider it valid, I can also drop a negative feedback.
If I had an isolated positive relationship with them, but see overwhelming cases of violation of user agreement with enough evidence to support it, I will refrain from giving a positive feedback. The user could be farming for positive feedbacks to help them look trustworthy and scam more people.

This does not mean my choice is solely influenced by others but I treat each case uniquely and decide on what action to take, if any.

[JollyGood]

If what you stated is true, I would like to read what Hhampuz wrote in those alleged instances and would like to know the context in which he wrote the words. Therefore regarding 1,3 and 4 can you provide links?

If you are claiming Hhampuz has been conducting himself in a wrong manner in the past, why did you not create your alt-account to post about it earlier?

Leaving feedback and opposing flags without even knowing the case details, as Hhampuz admitted he isn't aware of the specific case, is a problem.

I will outline the problems here:

1- Hhampuz claims that he doesn't know about the case but left the feedback to the "sub-account" where -ve feedback was given and not the main account.

2- Let's assume suddenly after 2 years, he decided to give a +ve feedback while they are defending an accusation, which he has every right to, why would be giving that to a sub-account and not the main account? This is only possible when he is intending to counter the negative feedback.

3- If Hhampuz isn't aware of the specific case, should he oppose the flag?

4- I've noticed in the past too, Hhampuz has given feedback to people shouting against the casinos he promotes, such as Roobet and Duelbits. I am not saying the feedbacks are wrong or right but as an outside promoter for any business, I don't think he should act as the lawyer and defend everyone who speaks against the casinos, not least without valid reasons.