Transaction pending after 1 week

[jccla]

hi everybody, i tried to ask help on the french version of the site without success, i try here (sorry for my english)

I used Electrum without trouble since one week.
Usually when i send mBtc, my balance considers the amount of the transaction+fees
but now only fees appears

I sent 2mBtc but electrum try to send 0.00738..
https://i.ibb.co/hHbVdwH/Capture-d-cran-2023-07-25-115007.jpg

I tried a new transaction of 1.638
https://ibb.co/kMCWtwk
same problem

i finally tried to send all my mBtc to another address and all appears unconfirmed

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On the french forum, they told me that i sent to myself mBtc, i dont understand why.. or that my fees were not big enough
I tried to increase them and add more mBtc to do it, but i get this message
https://imgbb.com/DVp8J93

I saw that i could try to do new transaction with high fees to treat the transaction and past unconfirmed transactions but i fear  they are also blocked..
I tried  "BTC Transaction Accelerator" https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/ to accelerate the process :  "Transaction fee is too low"
there is a paid version but i dont know if it works.

I tried too to unselect "select a server automatically", I tried several but zero result.


I would appreciate if someone can solve my problem, there is already one week i tried everything without success  

here's the blockstream explorer
https://blockstream.info/tx/ba2c48b7497a10bd5dae0d74f2954bb14d1c29cfc82e5d6fcc581ad905ff7a06

thanks in advance

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[stompix]

i finally tried to send all my mBtc to another address and all appears unconfirmed
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On the french forum, they told me that i sent to myself mBtc, i dont understand why..

You just said it yourself that you did it.

Well, your transactions are  a mess, to be honest, I assume this is the last one :
https://mempool.space/address/bc1qt503lsmgnq2yt5hzshnfj83232h8wcxa0ys84l

It has 3 unconfirmed parents
https://mempool.space/tx/ba2c48b7497a10bd5dae0d74f2954bb14d1c29cfc82e5d6fcc581ad905ff7a06
https://mempool.space/tx/c99c67fd780ec3874b233001ce7d1e7b51d5552345fcd225c663699cacccb590
https://mempool.space/tx/6139e73dc590a72ccbc59fcf5011617d92ee0bf477dbeb0b1913538e4b964f29

And the effective fee rate is around 5sat/b so unless the mempool drops to that level you won't get them confirmed adn I don't see that happening too soon.
Is bc1q7haaawetza8t4pu9glnpsnyph2kcdpc5s4nt4y yours I guess and you tried to bump ba2c48b7497a10bd5dae0d74f2954bb14d1c29cfc82e5d6fcc581ad905ff7a06 ?

Then it's pretty simple you tried to increase the fee by too little, try putting a few extra sat otherwise you will probably not get it confirmed even in an extra week.

Also, Viabtc won't work with your fee which is below their 10sat/b and the paid version will charge you more than your entire sum.

Wait a bit before trying again, somebody that is way better than me at math might give the minimum necessary fee to bump that one or you could try adding 1 sat directly.

[hosseinimr93]

You have made all those four transactions between your own addresses and that's why it's only the transaction fee that is deducted from your wallet.

The solution to get rid of those unconfirmed transactions is right-click on the one you made first and increase the fee.
I mean this transaction: ba2c48b7497a10bd5dae0d74f2954bb14d1c29cfc82e5d6fcc581ad905ff7a06

With increasing the fee, you will make that transaction confirmed faster and you will also make the other three transactions invalid.

The error message you get when increasing the fee is clear. As mentioned by stompix above, you should increase the fee a bit more.
If you want to get a fast confirmation, you need the fee rate of around 10 sat/vbyte. Take note that the required fee rate is dynamic and it may change over time.

[jccla]

hi
thank you guys

damn i dont understand how i could send to my own address
and I cant believe that i make the mistake 4 times,

for all these transactions i sent them to differents destinataries.


I cant increase fees i wish i can do

i tried to increase them to 10 in the Mempool
https://ibb.co/7r58YDf

HAP
https://ibb.co/txBpzTq

and fixe
https://ibb.co/m56v04J

and always that desperate message  
https://ibb.co/JshmdDr

[Charles-Tim]

Increase the fee to 15 sat/vbyte to see if it would work. You supposed to add extra 10 sat/vbyte to the present fee (5.2 sat/vbyte), not to increase it up to 10 sat/vbyte.

That should be accurate. But as for me, I will prefer to increase it up to 20 sat/vbyte. I mean 15 sat/vbyte more. Making it 20 sat/vbytes.

[jccla]

Increase the fee to 15 sat/vbyte to see if it would work. You supposed to add extra 10 sat/vbyte to the present fee (5.2 sat/vbyte), not to increase it up to 10 sat/vbyte.

even at 15, i have the same error message

[hosseinimr93]

The more you increase the fee, the more you have to waste money.
If you are not in hurry, wait for 1 more week. If your transactions are not confirmed by that time, most nodes will drop them from their mempool and you will be able to make a new transaction without having to pay a very big fee.

By default, transactions are dropped from the mempool, if they remain unconfirmed for 14 days.  

[Charles-Tim]

The solution to get rid of those unconfirmed transactions is right-click on the one you made first and increase the fee.
I mean this transaction: ba2c48b7497a10bd5dae0d74f2954bb14d1c29cfc82e5d6fcc581ad905ff7a06

I have just seen this. He supposed to increase the child transaction fee, not the parent. Although, I am surprised that the parent (the first transaction) was unable to increase in fee. But how about increasing the child transaction fee. Probably that should work.

[jccla]

The more you increase the fee, the more you have to waste money.
If you are not in hurry, wait for 1 more week. If your transactions are not confirmed by that time, most nodes will drop them from their mempool and you will be able to make a new transaction without having to pay a very big fee.

By default, transactions are dropped from the mempool, if they remain unconfirmed for 14 days.  

Anyway i cant increase parent or child.
Well that's a good news, i can wait 7 more days,   

so i will come back in a week to let you know what happened

[hosseinimr93]

I have just seen this. He supposed to increase the child transaction fee, not the parent. Although, I am surprised that the parent (the first transaction) was unable to increase in fee. But how about increasing the child transaction fee. Probably that should work.

BIP125 says that:

3. The replacement transaction pays an absolute fee of at least the sum paid by the original transactions.
4. The replacement transaction must also pay for its own bandwidth at or above the rate set by the node's minimum relay fee setting. For example, if the minimum relay fee is 1 satoshi/byte and the replacement transaction is 500 bytes total, then the replacement must pay a fee at least 500 satoshis higher than the sum of the originals.

The thing I am not sure about is what exactly "original transactions" refers to.
Does it mean the transactions that have the same input(s) as the replacing transaction or their unconfirmed children are also included?

Considering what happened to OP when trying to increase the fee, it seems that it's the latter.

If that's the case and OP wants to replace the first transaction with a new one, there are four transactions that must be removed from the mempool.
The absolute fee that is paid for the replacing transaction must be bigger than the total fee paid for those four transactions which is around 0.000039 BTC.
According to rule number 4, the replacing transaction must pay another ~140 satoshi too.

In the case my calculations are correct and OP wants to replace the first transaction with a new one, the replacing transaction must have the fee rate of around 30 sat/vbyte.

[jccla]

I tried to change of servers, the 14 days correspond to the first day i have sent the transaction or 14 days on a server?
thanks

[hosseinimr93]

I tried to change of servers, the 14 days correspond to the first day i have sent the transaction or 14 days on a server?

Your transaction will be dropped from mempool of most nodes 14 days after they were broadcasted to the network (7 days from today).
Take note that you didn't change anything with connecting to a different server.

[jccla]

thanks a lot for your help

[o_e_l_e_o]

Does it mean the transactions that have the same input(s) as the replacing transaction or their unconfirmed children are also included?

The "original transactions" are all the transactions which are currently in the mempool which will be evicted by the replacement. So if the unconfirmed transaction you intended to replace has 5 unconfirmed children, then you must pay a fee higher than the total of all 6 unconfirmed transactions which are to be evicted.

The total size of OP's 4 transactions is 2,933 WU. The total fee paid is 3,891 sats. The combined fee rate therefore is 5.307 sats/vbyte.

To replace the first transaction and evict the other 3 child transactions, his replacement transaction would need to pay a fee of at least 4,031 sats for a 140 vbyte transaction, which would be a rate of 28.8 sats/vbyte.

So I would agree with hosseinimr93, and pay 30 sats/vbyte to be on the safe side.

[jccla]

guys you rock

i tried with 30sat, finally ! direclty accepted \o/
https://ibb.co/LPMmR8x

a little expensive but wow it solved my problem

but no at all
there is still an unconfimed transaction but i think it's on the way

now i will try to never send to myself mBtc lol

thanks again for your time

[o_e_l_e_o]

guys you rock

Glad you got it working!

there is still an unconfimed transaction but i think it's on the way

That's the transaction you just made. It's very close to the tip of the mempool given the high fee, so it will almost certainly be confirmed in the next block. I can confirm all your child transactions have been evicted from the mempool.

Edit: It's already been confirmed. All unconfirmed transactions should now have been cleared from your wallet.

[jccla]

yes it's running 

i had 1 merit point, sorry i'm new here i dont know at which person i have sent it between o_e_l_e_o and hosseinimr93
but thank youu

[Cricktor]

but no at all
there is still an unconfimed transaction but i think it's on the way

now i will try to never send to myself mBtc lol

As I write this it should have gotten the first confirmation. But dude, seriously, the destination address(es) are probably the most important thing that you should always check very carefully when you are about to send out coins!

Clipboard malware could replace your intended target address(es) by some address(es) of a thief. You want to be sure that you have exactly the right target address(es) in the send dialog. It usually is enough to check a bunch of characters at the beginning (exclude the bc1 prefix), in the middle and carefully the last 6-8 characters.

If you want to practice sending transactions properly I suggest you invoke Electrum in Testnet mode, create two new Testnet Bitcoin wallets, fetch some Testnet Bitcoins for free from https://testnet.coinfaucet.eu and play around. Send coins from Testnet-wallet-1 to Testnet-wallet-2 and vice versa. You can also play around with Coin Control and Send-Many and whatnot.

Practice, repeat, practice makes perfect!

[jccla]

Clipboard malware could replace your intended target address(es) by some address(es) of a thief. You want to be sure that you have exactly the right target address(es) in the send dialog. It usually is enough to check a bunch of characters at the beginning (exclude the bc1 prefix), in the middle and carefully the last 6-8 characters.

yes of course, i still dont understand how i could make the mistake four times
but now i have selected "send only confirmed money"
hope i will never do the mistake

to resume i didnt sent coin to other address except mine for 30sat?

was a good lesson :p

thanks guys

[dkbit98]

I cant increase fees i wish i can do

You can certainly increase your fees if you sent RBF transaction like you did, but I would recommend always checking state of bitcoin mempool before making a transaction, especially if you are in a hurry.
Easiest way of doing this is by using Mempool.space website that gives you recommended fees with different priorities, and higher fees means faster transaction confirmaion.
As for correct addresses, it's easy to copy-paste and then visually confirm addresses, I hope you are not manually typing every character