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June 19, 2023, 05:40:39 PM
Last edit: June 19, 2023, 06:39:18 PM by SamReomo
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Thanks SanReomo. I decided to take your advice and use the small "s" with the two dots. I set it as a prefix rather than a suffix as well. Once I've got this concept stabilised in my head. I'll adds a descriptive page to guide potential users. I'd be grateful for some more opinions though.

I've found another problem with the conversion. The cart only allows 5 decimal places for the conversion rate. When Bitcoin increases in value ( as it is sure to do ) then the Bitcoin value is going to be approximate.


You are most welcome bro! Yeah, setting it as prefix is also a quite good choice and it will appear very nice on the cart. But, I recommend you to try both the suffix version as well the prefix version, and whichever of them appears better, you should lock that one as the final choice. The final decision is yours my friend because you can decide best for your site.

Regarding the issue of decimal places you could check the API of the cart system and if it allows modifications  then you can modify it and increase the limit. You should also try to find plugins that might allow to extend the limit to higher number of decimal places. If none of those is helpful then you may hire a temporary developer who could add that extension to your current cart system, but I'm sure you won't need the developer for that because you'll sort it out yourself.

I have found that in Woocommerce admin user can increase the number of decimal places to 7 or maybe more. I have done some research on Google to find that how we could possibly change the number of decimal places in a shopping cart and after reading many articles and stackoverflow posts I have found something that could be useful for you.

Following are some links that you should read:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49550127/change-number-of-decimals-in-woocommerce-cart-totals
https://wordpress.org/support/topic/override-decimal-places-in-cart/

I hope you will sort out the problem yourself after reading those posts. Best of luck Jet Cash, and if you need further support then feel free to ask questions here or in inbox. I would love to help you as much as I possibly can!

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June 20, 2023, 05:29:00 AM
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It's commendable that you're integrating Bitcoin and Satoshi into your platform – a testament to the growing influence of crypto. Using "SAT" as a placeholder does make sense, however, it might not resonate universally, so your concerns are justified.

About satsymbol.com's proposal, it's indeed aesthetically pleasing and culturally significant. Yet, consensus, especially in a decentralized environment like crypto, is often elusive. That being said, I remain optimistic. We, as part of the crypto community, can voice our preferences and expedite the process. I encourage you to continue your efforts to support Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. You are one of the bravest

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June 20, 2023, 06:19:11 AM
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I'm still partial to μBTC.  Having the two units after the decimal place, tenths and hundredths, is what most people have become accustomed to when looking at the price of goods and services.

You could price something as 361350 satoshi, but in my mind, 3613.50 μBTC looks more recognisable and familiar.
I've never liked "micro" as a unit. When you write "3613.50 μBTC", I convert it in my mind to "3.6135 mBTC", and then know that's about $90 (preev.com: $96.95, so close enough). One of the problems with "micro" is that you can't easily type it, and it ends up as "uBTC" which is technically incorrect.
Another name for "μBTC" is "bits", but that doesn't have "Bitcoin" in the name anymore.

I've had some further thoughts on this, especially in relation to Sterling. If I want to list an item for 5 pounds, then I can print £5, but if it is only 5 pence, then I can list it as 5p. I'm going to adopt the same concept with Satoshi. ie. 50 Satoshi will be 50s. I'm hoping that this won't appear similar to 505 in some fonts.
The problem with "5p" is that it may be common in England, the rest of the world doesn't know what it is. To me, "50s" looks like "50 seconds", and I don't think we should use an existing SI-unit for something else.

You know what Loyce, you may actually be onto something! BTC$ .. kinda looks like BS standing for BullShit.. get it?
Yes, thank you for explaining my own joke to me Tongue Lol.
It's not only meant as a joke though: a joke could help to quickly gain popularity.

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Because I know I often have dry jokes nobody gets: B (BTC) stands for bull, S (dollar) stands for shit..
I hadn't thought of it this way, and I don't think most people will go this far.

or even
I like it, but without the cursive, and bold:

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my personal preference is a design of a the @ symbol but with a 'S' instead of an 'a' in the center of the 'at' sign. so that its a 'sat'
That could work Smiley

Why can't we keep it really simple and follow the same design pattern as the symbol bitcoin.
For example: the one is below is a good resemblance according to me

This is the best I've seen so far Smiley

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June 20, 2023, 06:20:22 AM
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AFAIK, the fiat currencies don't have a separate symbol for their coins, for example cents or eurocents.
Why should the Satoshi have a separate symbol? Can't we just use the Bitcoin symbol to represent satoshis as well?
If there's a voting poll for choosing a Satoshi symbol, I will vote for the Bitcoin glyph.
There's no need to overcomplicate things and overwhelm the crypto newbies with more symbols and new terms.
I don't like the satoshi symbol, which is proposed by the owner of this satsymbol.com website.

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June 20, 2023, 06:27:41 AM
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AFAIK, the fiat currencies don't have a separate symbol for their coins, for example cents or eurocents.
Why should the Satoshi have a separate symbol?
The difference is that $0.02 is much easier to read than 0.00000002BTC, and considering the much higher value of Bitcoin, amounts far behind the comma are much more common than "easier to read" amounts (like 1.2BTC).

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I guess I'm going to have to think about payment methods. Cash and fiat via Faster payments are two options. The others will have to be Lightning and a Bitcoin transfer to my node wallet. All of those require manual intervention, and I won't be able to automate any of them. As I mentioned earlier, actual sales are a secondary function of the site, so this isn't too much of a problem, but it would be if I decided to create a real shopping site.

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AFAIK, the fiat currencies don't have a separate symbol for their coins, for example cents or eurocents.
¢ = cents/eurocents
p = penny

Why should the Satoshi have a separate symbol? Can't we just use the Bitcoin symbol to represent satoshis as well?

so when someone prices their produce in sats you want customer to read that the price is in whole bitcoin, and accidentally pay the retailer in whole bitcoins because everything to the rest of the world reads as bitcoin prices..

If there's a voting poll for choosing a Satoshi symbol, I will vote for the Bitcoin glyph.
There's no need to overcomplicate things and overwhelm the crypto newbies with more symbols and new terms.
a bitcoin symbol for sats?? seems odd
imagine i wanted to sell something for 50p.. you want it symbolically to be seen as 50£
imagine i wanted to sell something for 50¢.. you want it symbolically to be seen as 50$
imagine i wanted to sell something for 50sat.. you want it symbolically to be seen as 50BTC
because you dont like sub amount symbology.. odd thought to have and more confusing for users who may end up paying 50btc for something that should have only been 50sat

I don't like the satoshi symbol, which is proposed by the owner of this satsymbol.com website.

it is crap, i think micheal saylor came up with it.
but even on the website you cant just copy and paste it as a normal ascii symbol to use anywhere. as the result turns into an '!' exclamation mark
Quote from: satsymbol.com
download the satoshi symbol ! graphic kit | use ! on any site as a font
Questions? contact us. open unlimited use. you can help by simply adopting the symbol, buying some merch, or donating some ! here.

the closest i found in the ascii code was or

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June 20, 2023, 08:02:23 AM
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AFAIK, the fiat currencies don't have a separate symbol for their coins, for example cents or eurocents.
= cents/eurocents
p = penny
This reminds me: many people confuse 0.02 cents for $0.02. Considering how complicated Bitcoin decimals are already, this is probably too much to add for the average Joe.

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the closest i found in the ascii code was or
That last one is a menu button Tongue

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June 20, 2023, 10:13:41 AM
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  • 0.00007484BTC and 0.00018709BTC
  • 7484 SAT and 18709 SAT
What if someone writes 0.0000749BTC? Would you guess it's $2, or does it look like $0.20 unless you accurately count the zeros?
My personal preference: my LN wallets are set in sats, all other wallets in mBTC.

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June 20, 2023, 02:52:54 PM
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I'm still partial to μBTC.  Having the two units after the decimal place, tenths and hundredths, is what most people have become accustomed to when looking at the price of goods and services.

You could price something as 361350 satoshi, but in my mind, 3613.50 μBTC looks more recognisable and familiar.
I've never liked "micro" as a unit. When you write "3613.50 μBTC", I convert it in my mind to "3.6135 mBTC", and then know that's about $90 (preev.com: $96.95, so close enough). One of the problems with "micro" is that you can't easily type it, and it ends up as "uBTC" which is technically incorrect.
Another name for "μBTC" is "bits", but that doesn't have "Bitcoin" in the name anymore.


Yeah, I suppose it's difficult to find something everyone would be comfortable with.  We'll just have to wait and see which method becomes ubiquitous and take it from there.


I like it, but without the cursive, and bold:

"Ⓢ@" for "sat"?  Not sure, heh.  Seems weird.

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"Ⓢ@" for "sat"?  Not sure, heh.  Seems weird.
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Uffa, hadn't seen this thread and opened another one with basically the same topic cause my gf made a new design:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461973.new#new
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