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August 05, 2023, 07:06:53 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
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August 05, 2023, 07:18:13 AM
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Before the decentralization it is important to ask about how money works and I am sure most of them don't know that as well. So if they understand fiat money is nothing but a paper created by banks and which has unlimited supply.

Then you can explain the concept of decentralization which is about resistance to censorship and eliminate the intermediaries like banking institutions and finally we have full access to our money so we can spent as how we want to. And if still they don't think decentralization is not for them then its safe to say they won't hear anything further whether its blockchain, transparency, trustless monetary system, irreversible transactions...









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August 05, 2023, 07:26:35 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Why force people to talk about what they are not interested in? You have nothing to do? Save your time and energy.

Decentralization is more likely to be misunderstood than people don't like it. The time will come and people will like bitcoin. I'm not sure that everyone, but it is possible that many. They will become interested and then you can start talking about it with them.

The mistake is that people want to learn how to make money, and not learn about bitcoin. There is a choice: let people learn information about btc themselves. There is a lot of information in the public domain. You only slightly direct them in the right direction and let them do the rest. This way you save your time and energy.

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August 05, 2023, 07:39:20 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
At this moment, it seems like it depends on how you present bitcoin to them. In my opinion, if bitcoin is correctly introduced, almost everyone will want to experience the freedom that it has given us.

Additionally, it is unnecessary to compel anyone who is not interested in bitcoin to board the train; if they choose to do so, that is their choice.

Bitcoin will not be liked by a government that wants to control everything.

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August 05, 2023, 07:44:24 AM
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Much better if you don't talk about it and just show your results, people don't want to be recruited into a culture just because someone tells them that joining this will make their lives better when in reality that's not true. Make your information drives more publicly driven or disseminated instead of individualized so that you're reaching more audiences and you're not burdened by cold calling each individual as they're going to reach out to you instead and you can be sure that those who reach out to you will stay because they're curious. I don't like the idea of forcing people to do something and if you don't like it too then you will understand why you aren't successful at recruiting those people that you've had a talk.
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August 05, 2023, 08:16:04 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Why should you keep nagging around people that don't want to hear your voice, you can't force to convince them on bitcoin or a decentralized network because if they had developed interest on decentralization, it won't be difficult for them to have a take on bitcoin, maybe with time, the more they get exposure the likely possibilities they get convinced as well seing others having diverse opportunities with bitcoin around them, maybe some kind of people needs evidence of bitcoin in us before they can give an attempt from their own wish over bitcoin.

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

We cannot predict people's behavior, how will they like bitcoin and dislike the decentralized network from which is the basis of how bitcoin operates from the blockchain.

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August 05, 2023, 08:24:07 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Why force people to talk about what they are not interested in? You have nothing to do? Save your time and energy.

Decentralization is more likely to be misunderstood than people don't like it. The time will come and people will like bitcoin. I'm not sure that everyone, but it is possible that many. They will become interested and then you can start talking about it with them.

The mistake is that people want to learn how to make money, and not learn about bitcoin. There is a choice: let people learn information about btc themselves. There is a lot of information in the public domain. You only slightly direct them in the right direction and let them do the rest. This way you save your time and energy.
How is that possible? Walking up to a stranger and start talking about Bitcoin? You don't know what you are saying, when I said people I don't mean strangers, I am talking about those within my circle that want to start doing what I am doing, I have a Bitcoin mining farm and I am also a Bitcoin trader now, it will get to a stage where you can't hide your success anymore and that's what bring about people (within the circle ) asking questions about mining Bitcoin and how they can start mining too, so how can I teach someone about mining without them knowing what Bitcoin is all about? Or how can I teach about Bitcoin trading without them understanding Bitcoin itself? As you can see I have many things to do, watch charts and monitor my Asics, That's enough to see time fly pass you everyday.

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August 05, 2023, 08:28:09 AM
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People like easy money but talking about trading doesn't make things easy, most likely they get bored right away and think it's not for them.  Instead, if you talked about the overwhelming power of Bitcoin leaving trading alone and making it clear that no one can control their money, that they won't have to pay any intermediary, which makes them free and anonymous then I'm sure they will find interest and will listen to you.
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August 05, 2023, 08:33:00 AM
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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
This is where the problem is, they are asking you how to make money, they didn't come to you because they have any interest in BTC. It is difficult to teach people about BTC when they are only interested in making money. You're also a BTC trader like you said, and BTC trading is not really for newbies, so you can't even teach them about trading when they don't have BTC knowledge.
Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
I think you should teach them about how they can achieve privacy in BTC, and how the network is censorship resistant and permissionless, people who don't care about these things won't care about BTC, except they are just looking for how to make money from BTC.

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do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?



With today's pragmatic life, money is always a top priority. Even if we invest in bitcoin and what we care most about is the profit it brings. So in my opinion, it is not wise to emphasize decentralization for people when recommending bitcoin to them. Just like when you sell to others, do you sell what you have or do you sell what they need? They need money, and you introduce decentralization to them, they will ignore you is understandable.

Decentralization, privacy...all for nothing if you don't have money. Only people who already have a lot of money they care about those things to protect their assets. But for those who have no money, privacy for what?

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Definitely they will like Bitcoins. Bitcoins are famous for it’s decentralised nature, hence it’s the USP that attracts its users. Bitcoins enable us to control our finances independently, hence many people think to buy and hold this digital asset. There are many other features available with Bitcoins which attract the investors, but they consider decentralised feature as the great. With this they are able to hide their identity and won’t list anywhere about their listings. So yes all Bitcoin holders are fan of decentralisation.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train
If they don't see any reason they should not join the train at all then.

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
If they do not have an interest in learning then you have a choice to not go further. You've done your bit by telling them about Bitcoin, you do not have to convince them that it's a valid investment.
Anyone who is only interested in Bitcoin for the profit will not be drawn to decentralization or any other feature that it offers, they will only care about the market price and talks about when the next bull run is.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
If a person shows no interest then you just better stop wasting your time to talking to them. I understand your optimism of what you want to share about Bitcoin and things related to blockchain and crypto.

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
They're only interested about earning but they aren't interested once you teach them the process and if they're willing to take a risk.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

I guess its just about the technology itself and how it is going to disrupt the financial world that make people worry about bitcoin, hence they don't want to touch it at any cost.

As for decentralization, in the beginning we don't know about that. What we are curious is that how bitcoin can make us money or even rich. Because that's the first thing that we will hear in youtube and facebook and other social media. But for others, it's a new territory that they don't want to explore and so they shun about bitcoin and the whole crypto market.

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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

I don't think it's a problem, in this world there isn't anyone that everyone can agree on, so if they don't like bitcoin it's not a serious problem. Just ignore them, if it makes you uncomfortable

I'm glad to hear you can benefit from bitcoin trading, but isn't it high risk when you teach new people to do bitcoin trading activities? I think the people you tell about bitcoin will be interested in the future. Maybe they won't immediately agree and love bitcoin when they first hear about bitcoin from you, but what you do still has value and if one day that person decides to learn more about bitcoin, then you are in it.

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August 05, 2023, 09:48:15 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?
You should start with strongest strength of Bitcoin, decentralization but don't forget to talk to them about risk too because nothing is perfect including Bitcoin.

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Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
Sure they can not like Bitcoin but they can join it if they smell chance to get profit and they love money.

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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
If they care about it, ask you about it and you already done your talk with them, it's done. Why do you have to think why they were not convinced to join?

Joining or not joining, it's none of your business. If you talk too much, they will think you like a liar. Talk to them with enough information and give them time to absorb it.

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August 05, 2023, 09:53:49 AM
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Alright so your problem is you've make a good amount of money, when you tell them how you make it, they're not showing any interest, correct?

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2. Tell them and forget it, you must not expect they will follow your path because they're just curious.

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August 05, 2023, 10:29:55 AM
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Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
No, that's not right to say because in reality, no one likes decentralization, we all want to centralize power and influence in our hands but the problem is that when we can't gain power, we don't want others to gain power too, so, decentralization is the best solution in this case.

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
You don't have to teach anything to anyone and if I were you, I wouldn't teach. When someone really chases something, they'll achieve it. It's more than enough that you told them that you earn money via Bitcoin Trading. They have internet and can do more research themselves.
I really don't like when someone wants everything ready and doesn't want to do something on his/her own.

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August 05, 2023, 11:33:01 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

People will only look or even hear about an alternative if there is a need for it. Those who don't care about privacy or what it means to use digital, central-bank controlled money, will not care to hear about the alternative solutions available. Maybe, some do care about privacy or sovereignty over their money, but think that Bitcoin is a speculative asset and the risk it poses to their capital in the short term is something that stops them from trying it as a solution. Some will take the Bitcoin route to achieve these goals, or they will shy away from the opportunity.

Decentralization might interest those who are interested in Bitcoin already, though otherwise, creature-comfort will cause most people to stick with how their life is at the moment, fearful of the risk involved with an alternative way. Even if you reason the risk vs. reward to them, it will not matter. This is the result of such a long time of using a scam money system, and unfortunately they will be victims if anything seriously wrong were to happen with fiat money.
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August 05, 2023, 11:46:11 AM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?
Bitcoin is not meant to be forced on anyone because we all have freedom of choice and our ways of thinking and perception differs. They may have their reasons why they don’t want to join the bitcoin train so I think it will be best if you save yourself the stress and energy of trying to persuade people to join. It’s their loss so let them be for now I believe in future they will regret why they didn’t join the train earlier. Talking about decentralization may be able to convince some people when they’re aware of the financial freedom bitcoin offers but i still feel not everyone will understand and accept bitcoin.

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
Will their ever be an individual who doesn’t like decentralization? I will refer to Anyone who doesn’t like decentralization as government Since only the government has opposed decentralisation and bitcoin thus far due to the lack of authority they have over its monetary and taxation systems.

Yes, It is right to say anyone who doesn’t like decentralization can never like bitcoin

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August 05, 2023, 01:17:58 PM
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Stuck between the enjoyment of Bitcoin and the boredom of explaining it. Decentralisation, the "D" word that might make people's eyes glaze over faster than you can say "Satoshi Nakamoto," in my opinion.

Isnt it wonderful, though, that your bank isnt micromanaging your every move? Oh, the delicious taste of freedom! Even if they detest decentralization, that doesnt imply they have to like Bitcoin. Perhaps all they need is a small nudge in the right direction.

Rather than hiding the true nature of your Bitcoin earnings behind a wall of verbiage, perhaps you should just come clean. Simply said, nobody would argue against the desire for more financial success.

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August 05, 2023, 05:06:52 PM
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Alright so your problem is you've make a good amount of money, when you tell them how you make it, they're not showing any interest, correct?

You have 2 solutions:
1. Never show your wealth, just stay low and dress up like low income class people.
2. Tell them and forget it, you must not expect they will follow your path because they're just curious.
No one is showing anyone anything, I've never done that, but people will someday notice, especially if you grow up in such area where they know that you are struggling and later your body changed, you look better and you have a ride, which you never had before, of cos people will notice, this ain't even the case for me, they came asking what they can do to make a change, I told them about Bitcoin investment, and Bitcoin mining, but along the line they can't cope with it, because it's not free, you need money to invest, and it's same with mining too.

Things get more complicated on their end when I start explaining why Bitcoin was created, the thing is why ask me how to make money when you aren't ready to change your life? They looked at me with a strange eye like I am weird or different.

Why do people always think that to make money is easy? Bitcoin investment takes years, even Bitcoin mining takes years too if started in a bear market, you won't want to sell since the value is lower, they don't want to hear such and they walk away, it's like they doubt Bitcoin, that's why I ask the question about decentralization but I get the answer anyway.
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August 05, 2023, 05:13:19 PM
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Many people are more interested in how to make money than in learning about Bitcoin. Letting people learn about Bitcoin on their own from public sources is a good way to save your time and energy. Point them in the right direction, you can encourage them to learn more about Bitcoin as each person wants. This allows people to better understand this cryptocurrency and decide whether to participate or not based on their own knowledge. This approach can generate interest and support from some, but not all.

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August 05, 2023, 05:25:06 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?
We will never be the same again, and not everyone who knows about Bitcoin will want to accept or embrace it, not just because of decentralisation; most of them are uncomfortable and believe it will end soon.

If they do not join, you can leave them. There are other ways to gain money in life besides Bitcoin investment.

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Yes, especially Banks and Government.

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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Because you tried explaining it to them and they refused, there is no need to tell them how you make your money; you leave a life where no one knows how you make your money; in fact, displaying off your wealth may result in some attacks from the community.

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People don't care about some abstract decentralization, decentralization is just a tool for achieving certain goals. In politics decentralization can ensure fairness and solve internal conflicts, in networking decentralized systems can increase security. But no one does decentralization for the sake of decentralization, and also decentralized solutions come with their trade-offs and need to be implemented in a smart way, because "decemtralized" doesn't always mean "better".

So if you start talking to people about decentralization and then switch to Bitcoin, they'll probably be even more annoyed that you spent time to build-up your Bitcoin pitch.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
I do not really see the problem, I mean they asked what you were doing out of politeness or just because they were curious about what you were doing, but they had no intention of following your footsteps, and with this in mind I think it makes sense that most people do not show any interest on adopting bitcoin once they found out the source of your funds, if I was you I would not even mention bitcoin or the real source of my income as I find such a question to be very rude as that has nothing to do with other people.
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August 05, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
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At this moment, it seems like it depends on how you present bitcoin to them. In my opinion, if bitcoin is correctly introduced, almost everyone will want to experience the freedom that it has given us.

Yes the narrative that people get when coming into bitcoin is very important, i would say majority of some people that get in and lose interest along the line are mostly People driven into it just to make profits and if it doesn’t falls through they quit easily. So when educating people about bitcoin you would see that bitcoin maximalist speak about the decentralization which is actually good but people don’t turn towards it because they feel they can’t make money out of it.

Another thing again that discourages people is the fact that it doesn’t have government backing yet. No matter how you try to convince people they just won’t want to get involved. So right now introducing an ordinary person into bitcoin is hard. But with the persistent monetary crisis surrounding the fiat many people will come in to this space soon.


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August 05, 2023, 07:06:15 PM
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People don't care about some abstract decentralization, decentralization is just a tool for achieving certain goals. In politics decentralization can ensure fairness and solve internal conflicts, in networking decentralized systems can increase security. But no one does decentralization for the sake of decentralization, and also decentralized solutions come with their trade-offs and need to be implemented in a smart way, because "decemtralized" doesn't always mean "better".

So if you start talking to people about decentralization and then switch to Bitcoin, they'll probably be even more annoyed that you spent time to build-up your Bitcoin pitch.

Decentralised is an advance concept and can only be understood by people who are either into Bitcoin or have deep interest in Bitcoin. You cant just go to people and tell them that since Bitcoin is a decentralised currency so that's why we must adopt it.

Bitcoin is now decade old technology and has a community that is slowly but growing consistently. There are people (though not in numbers) in every country that has knowledge of Bitcoin now.
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

They are not listening because you are not telling them exactly what they want to hear; they were expecting to hear some miraculous way of making money on the internet without stress and all of that, maybe a means of putting this and getting this kind of thing, but instead you started telling the truth they don't want to hear, and to worsen the whole thing, you started with a total new language they might find hard to understand, as they might believe anything digital cannot be trusted as they don't have anyone to hold for any wrongful decision they make in the future and it results in money lost.

When someone comes to you next time and asks how you make your money, you can equally just tell them that you are a risk taker, you take risks for a living, and that you have made your own boss. If they are ready, then you have no problem with that, but just note that it will be hard to convince someone who is so obsessed with a centralized system of money movement that decentralization might look like a total different world for them.

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August 05, 2023, 07:43:37 PM
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Teaching Bitcoin to the right people will have a good impact and their interest will be greater.
But teaching bitcoin to people who have no interest whatsoever is a waste of your time.

Don't talk about decentralization to those who aren't interested, save it and explain it to people who are actually interested in Bitcoin.

After all, people will only come to you if they want to know more.
You earn a lot of money from Bitcoin is already a starter for those who are curious and want to learn.

Those who favor decentralization will not necessarily join Bitcoin.
That's because investing requires money and trust in the investment, and you also need to explain that investing in crypto will have great risks.
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Why force people to talk about what they are not interested in? You have nothing to do? Save your time and energy.

Decentralization is more likely to be misunderstood than people don't like it. The time will come and people will like bitcoin. I'm not sure that everyone, but it is possible that many. They will become interested and then you can start talking about it with them.

The mistake is that people want to learn how to make money, and not learn about bitcoin. There is a choice: let people learn information about btc themselves. There is a lot of information in the public domain. You only slightly direct them in the right direction and let them do the rest. This way you save your time and energy.
How is that possible? Walking up to a stranger and start talking about Bitcoin? You don't know what you are saying, when I said people I don't mean strangers, I am talking about those within my circle that want to start doing what I am doing, I have a Bitcoin mining farm and I am also a Bitcoin trader now, it will get to a stage where you can't hide your success anymore and that's what bring about people (within the circle ) asking questions about mining Bitcoin and how they can start mining too, so how can I teach someone about mining without them knowing what Bitcoin is all about? Or how can I teach about Bitcoin trading without them understanding Bitcoin itself? As you can see I have many things to do, watch charts and monitor my Asics, That's enough to see time fly pass you everyday.




Well, if these individuals are the ones who approach you asking about your success, it is normal that you want to instill in them about your art and the great benefits that practicing this trade brings, surely your intention is that more people, especially, those closest to you they can win and see finances from another perspective, I am aware that not everyone is capable of seeing the potential and the opportunity that you would be giving them by talking to them and trying to explain to them what you do so that they too can see fruits and a change in their way to live, it may be due to fear or simple distrust of being something new  but I am sure that not everyone is the same and there will be those who pay attention and are willing to dare, and take the same reins as you, so even though it  true number of individuals do not listen to you, there will be another percentage that will, and you would be fulfilling your purpose.

As for the way you should talk to them so they don't see it with little interest, it's a bit complicated, but you could apply a productive method, and that is to show while you explain, teach them with facts that it works and the potential it has. It will be up to them if they like it or not. Since  that you,can't force anyone to join bitcoin, they will gradually realize that you were right.
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August 05, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
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Op you are wrong from the topic. Decentralization is not only use in cryptocurrency but also in other field of study. In politics decentralization means the dissemination of power in the federal level to the constituent units. So if you are saying that one can know bitcoin by mere understanding of decentralization then you perception is wrong. You don't have to explain decentralization first but tell the person the basic elements of bitcoin and it advantages and the disadvantages. And you are not to force anyone to accept bitcoin. And you can only explain decentralization of bitcoin in the process of explaining the whole concept of bitcoin and not in separate explanation. And If you explain it separately the person might confused of what you are trying to say.
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
I don't think so. Even bitcoin today isn't that much decentralized as we expected it to be. Yes it runs on its own and obviously, the transaction approval process is altogether decentralized but KYCs have messed up everything. Eventually, governments can track people through KYCs and force them to reverse the transactions. This means a central authority might not be able to interfere on the chain itself but it can manipulate or even force people using the chain to do actions against their will. But yes if a person even hates decentralized payment processing then obviously, why would he like Bitcoin?
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To successfully persuade others about Bitcoin's decentralized features, it's essential to provide a comprehensive explanation of its benefits. Show them how Bitcoin can revolutionize the global financial system by eliminating the need for third-party intermediaries. Highlight the advantages of working globally and receiving money without hassles, free from monitoring or control like fiat currency. By helping them understand these advantages, they will realize how Bitcoin can significantly improve their lives and financial interactions.

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I do not really see the problem, I mean they asked what you were doing out of politeness or just because they were curious about what you were doing, but they had no intention of following your footsteps, and with this in mind I think it makes sense that most people do not show any interest on adopting bitcoin once they found out the source of your funds, if I was you I would not even mention bitcoin or the real source of my income as I find such a question to be very rude as that has nothing to do with other people.
^ In such situations, you have every right to maintain your privacy and not disclose sensitive information about your income sources, including BTC trading or any other personal ventures. You can gracefully steer the conversation away from discussing your financial activities if you feel uncomfortable sharing that information because I think conversations about financial matters can be sensitive and should be handled with discretion. If you wish to avoid unnecessary discussions or potential misunderstandings, you can focus on other interests or topics that are more comfortable for both parties involved because, for me, there should be healthy conversations that are built on mutual respect and understanding.
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
I think Bitcoin has past the point where we have to convince people about the potentials of bitcoin and the power of decentralized cryptocurrency. This is 2023, bitcoin is now a household name, anyone who hasn’t heard of bitcoin by now is probably living in a cave. The thing is some people do not have a problem with centralization, they trust the system to have their best interest at heart. Such people even come into the crypto space and solely patronize centralized exchanges and custodial wallets. It is physically and mentally draining to educate such persons, tbh I don’t think it’s worth the time. People will learn and unlearn after having bad experiences.

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August 05, 2023, 09:44:44 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
It depends on how the other person responds to the conversation I guess.
When indeed talking to people who do not know what bitcoin is and even tend to dislike bitcoin then actually discussing this will seem useless because it will only waste energy with endless debates.
On the other hand, it will be a different story if you talk to people who are already here.
So I think for things like this the conclusion that can be drawn is actually only reflecting on one object for you but indeed when talking about decentralization then bitcoin is the right answer but only those who already know about bitcoin feel this is true.

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August 05, 2023, 09:47:51 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy

Man, you don't have to be following people to accept bitcoin. Anyone who is interested in learning more about bitcoin will find a method to do so. You mentioned that many of them are aware of bitcoin but aren't interested in getting on board. Since you are aware that we don't force people to work in the sector, you may just put up with them. They will arrive, learn more about it, and accept it when they are prepared.

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do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Yeah, I think telling them how decentralized bitcoin is will make them understand more about it and the kind of freedom it gives financially, so you can see that with this reason, it will give them another motivation, and maybe it will make you achieve your goal, which is that you want them to accept what you bring for them, i.e., they should accept bitcoin.
 

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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

You are aware that some individuals hold to the reality they are told, and you believe that by informing them where your money comes from, they will accept bitcoin. However, some individuals can inquire about your source of income if they believe you are not working based on your spending habits. I believe that's the reason they're asking. However, you can instruct someone if they approach you and declare that they wish to learn.

And since you've indicated that the majority of your income comes from trading bitcoins, I believe that if you tell them how you make money, most of them might not focus on learning the essential skills required before beginning to make money. Let them learn the fundamentals if they come to your place to learn; don't tell them how much you make or how things work. If not, all they will want is to get to the point of receiving money, which is undesirable. without having the necessary background.

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Alright so your problem is you've make a good amount of money, when you tell them how you make it, they're not showing any interest, correct?

You have 2 solutions:
1. Never show your wealth, just stay low and dress up like low income class people.
2. Tell them and forget it, you must not expect they will follow your path because they're just curious.
No one is showing anyone anything, I've never done that, but people will someday notice, especially if you grow up in such area where they know that you are struggling and later your body changed, you look better and you have a ride, which you never had before, of cos people will notice, this ain't even the case for me, they came asking what they can do to make a change, I told them about Bitcoin investment, and Bitcoin mining, but along the line they can't cope with it, because it's not free, you need money to invest, and it's same with mining too.

Things get more complicated on their end when I start explaining why Bitcoin was created, the thing is why ask me how to make money when you aren't ready to change your life? They looked at me with a strange eye like I am weird or different.

Why do people always think that to make money is easy? Bitcoin investment takes years, even Bitcoin mining takes years too if started in a bear market, you won't want to sell since the value is lower, they don't want to hear such and they walk away, it's like they doubt Bitcoin, that's why I ask the question about decentralization but I get the answer anyway.
That's because they don't understand bitcoin yet and honestly, everyone wants to make easy money, including us. When we first heard about bitcoin, we also used to think that it was possible to make a lot of money and quickly from it. But when we understood everything, we knew that it was not so easy. So it's not surprising that newbies who don't know anything about bitcoin want to make easy money. But I think introducing bitcoin's decentralization while their goal is to make money, that won't work.

You need to provide what they need in order for them to care about it. If they want to make money, then you recommend bitcoin as an investment to them, they want privacy to protect their assets, and you introduce decentralization to them, you need flexibility when suggesting bitcoin for someone.

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August 06, 2023, 12:22:36 AM
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Sometime some people only trying to looking for relevant conversation topic that they don't really interested in it, just to make good atmosphere. Actually what you did is still okay, in marketing you can make someone want to buy a goods although they don't want it at first. for example someone go to work, and on the way the person see a banner about a product, today the person don't have intention to buy that product but there is big probability that few days after that the person will have intention to buy that product because the banner was already inside the person's brain, that is one of techniques that marketer use. I think you should start with profit that you get, but if it not so convincing then maybe you can share about other people's big profit.

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Worry less and don't bother about those people knowing about decentralization because they wouldn't listen to you since you are not showing them how to make money from their own understanding. It isn't compulsory for you to tell everyone around you how you make money because you might be exposing yourself to danger. Allow bitcoin to speak for itself and you will see that sooner or later,when they the zeal of learning about bitcoin,they will come to you. And you should also know that bitcoin is not a get rich quick project and those person that you are talking to might be eager to get money immediately.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

Probably. Bitcoin is decentralization. If one doesn't like decentralization, then it's safe to conclude that he/she doesn't also like Bitcoin. However, taking into consideration what you further mentioned below, it is very possible that people don't like decentralization but they like money more. Whether they dislike decentralization or not is not the most important concern. If they're going to make money out of something decentralized, then it's possible they're willing to get into it. Never mind if it's decentralized or not.

I know of a number of individuals who don't like shitcoins but they have them just the same because they could multiply several times more quickly.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

Probably. Bitcoin is decentralization. If one doesn't like decentralization, then it's safe to conclude that he/she doesn't also like Bitcoin. However, taking into consideration what you further mentioned below, it is very possible that people don't like decentralization but they like money more. Whether they dislike decentralization or not is not the most important concern. If they're going to make money out of something decentralized, then it's possible they're willing to get into it. Never mind if it's decentralized or not.

I know of a number of individuals who don't like shitcoins but they have them just the same because they could multiply several times more quickly.


Most crypto industry participants prioritize profits over privacy and decentralization.  that's also why we see many people using centralized exchanges and they don't care even if they need KYC to use it.  profit and convenience are still the choice of the majority, not decentralization.


Shitcoins are really too risky and they are too centralized, not decentralized like bitcoin. but undeniably, they are giving much better returns than bitcoin and that's why many people don't invest in bitcoin but prefer shitcoin. Again, profit is their primary concern.

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No one is showing anyone anything, I've never done that, but people will someday notice, especially if you grow up in such area where they know that you are struggling and later your body changed, you look better and you have a ride, which you never had before, of cos people will notice, this ain't even the case for me, they came asking what they can do to make a change, I told them about Bitcoin investment, and Bitcoin mining, but along the line they can't cope with it, because it's not free, you need money to invest, and it's same with mining too.
I'm not really sure the condition in your area where you live and your neighbor, but I'm the one who's not show anything and it seems everyone including my friend, my neighbor, my family etc don't know what I doing and what I have.

I can afford to buy expensive thing, but I choose to not buy it and invest in Bitcoin, where no one will know about my wealth.

In my area, owning a motorcycle is normal. Right now I only have an old motorcycle, while my neighbor have 2 sporty motorcycles, a car, a business, etc where it make me look become the poorest among them.

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Bitcoin's decentralization value proposition is not interesting or essential enough for many people. The "limited" functionalities make other cryptocurrencies project lucrative, the one which offers smart contract is more diverse and filled with many things such as defi, NFT, and P2E.

Also the context and the motive of the other person are truly substantial. There is no point talking about decentralization, where the other is not necessarily require them or making it a priority. So instead of shifting the introduction from bitcoin to decentralization, you should adjust to actual use cases and seek the motive that the other person trying to achieve or find.
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Why do you need to focus on the question of how you make money on the Internet? Especially to talk about Bitcoin to those who have heard about it only from the standpoint of the media? From experience, I can say that this is a simple waste of both time and energy. If people initially have a wall to accept and correctly understand whatever you say, skepticism will prevail.
Posts like this appear very often on the forum. I respect people for their desire to help people, but there is a rule: do not "cause good" where you are not asked.
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

A good market or product sells itself, Bitcoin has graduated from the stage in which you tell people it is a must-have because of its decentralization nature. There is something we have to understand,  Bitcoin is for everybody and not for everyone, meaning it is made available for anyone who wants to embrace it, and on the other hand, not everyone that heard of Bitcoin will like or adopt and use Bitcoin, no matter what good they know of Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin's decentralization value proposition is not interesting or essential enough for many people. The "limited" functionalities make other cryptocurrencies project lucrative, the one which offers smart contract is more diverse and filled with many things such as defi, NFT, and P2E.

Also the context and the motive of the other person are truly substantial. There is no point talking about decentralization, where the other is not necessarily require them or making it a priority. So instead of shifting the introduction from bitcoin to decentralization, you should adjust to actual use cases and seek the motive that the other person trying to achieve or find.


Although decentralization is the most prominent feature of bitcoin and makes its name. But when it comes to bitcoin, it is not only a decentralized asset but can also be used as a currency, a payment method with low and fast transaction fees, or a profitable investment...So let's assess each person's needs so we can recommend bitcoin in a way customized to their preferences. If I'm looking for a store of value to keep my assets safe, but your focus is on introducing the profit or convenience of using bitcoin as currency, I definitely wouldn't care what you are saying.



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August 06, 2023, 01:19:41 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
Not really; they could love Bitcoin because it allows them to make money trading or mining, because most people always desire to make a lot of money quickly.
If you insist on teaching them, there is no need to explain what decentralization is; simply explain how to mine Bitcoins and get money, and they will be interested. Once they're up and running, you'll see whether they're interested in learning more about Bitcoin or not.
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Also the context and the motive of the other person are truly substantial. There is no point talking about decentralization, where the other is not necessarily require them or making it a priority. So instead of shifting the introduction from bitcoin to decentralization, you should adjust to actual use cases and seek the motive that the other person trying to achieve or find.
~So let's assess each person's needs so we can recommend bitcoin in a way customized to their preferences. If I'm looking for a store of value to keep my assets safe, but your focus is on introducing the profit or convenience of using bitcoin as currency, I definitely wouldn't care what you are saying.

That sum up what is important. The context. OP suggests that money is involved since that is what people mainly ask about. I believe shifting the topic specifically to decentralization would rather make it uninteresting if the goal was to spread Bitcoin adoption. Actually motive of getting money is normal, many people seek that, given that, if we tell about the nitty-gritty of the technical stuff people would lose interest.

So OP should rather customize the topic and shift the context to stuff like what makes Bitcoin valuable, and scarce, the aspect of game theory and other things that relates to how Bitcoin gains its value.
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
Not really; they could love Bitcoin because it allows them to make money trading or mining, because most people always desire to make a lot of money quickly.
If you insist on teaching them, there is no need to explain what decentralization is; simply explain how to mine Bitcoins and get money, and they will be interested. Once they're up and running, you'll see whether they're interested in learning more about Bitcoin or not.

Agreed, I don't think decentralization will interest many people, but when it comes to money, the profit is that no one will refuse it. Honestly, if I were to recommend bitcoin to someone, I would also emphasize profit and then risk, because in investing, those are the two top concerns of anyone. I think of other features like decentralization, peer-to-peer or use as currency, store of value... things they can learn on their own after investing in bitcoin. Sometimes let them discover for themselves, and they will understand and love bitcoin more than we just show them everything.

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People will not listen to your words but they always be impressed with the money you earn so try to convince others with the help of you actions rather than your words. Bitcoin is one of the most admirable currency due to its success and decentralized nature.

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August 06, 2023, 07:29:44 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Why force people to talk about what they are not interested in? You have nothing to do? Save your time and energy.

Decentralization is more likely to be misunderstood than people don't like it. The time will come and people will like bitcoin. I'm not sure that everyone, but it is possible that many. They will become interested and then you can start talking about it with them.

The mistake is that people want to learn how to make money, and not learn about bitcoin. There is a choice: let people learn information about btc themselves. There is a lot of information in the public domain. You only slightly direct them in the right direction and let them do the rest. This way you save your time and energy.

I would have to disagree with you. The way it works is that most people are not interested in something that you are interested in, but after hearing about it more, even if they do not want to, they will eventually become interested in Bitcoin. So what m2017 is doing is the right thing. Keep sowing the seeds of Bitcoin in people's minds! Thats what will drive worldwide adoption of Bitcoin as the global money. The more people hear about Bitcoin, the more they become interested.

Most people are too rigid when it comes to new things. They would prefer to keep their old ways. In-Your-Face marketing is the only option.

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Not everyone chooses bitcoin because of decentralization, nor does everyone choose bitcoin because of money, and most of them have various reasons why they choose bitcoin.

The concept of decentralization is great and of course it has helped a lot of people get out of the concept of centralized finance. Some people don't mind the concept as long as they make a profit, but the idea of ​​decentralization is really good amid the collapse of many people's faith in a centralized financial system. I personally chose bitcoin because of the potential price that can give me returns (trading and investing), but not completely making me ignore some of the other innovations from Satoshi Nakamoto's findings.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

If we discuss decentralization then we might end up refuting the government system itself and that is somehow being rebellious and might not bode well.  I would just stay in the context of Bitcoin having the freedom of transactions.  Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency that can be sent regardless of the location of the sender and receiver.  That it does not need any permission from a third-party financial institution and Bitcoin is already acknowledged by many governments in terms of being a commodity and mode of payment.  It is better to explain things in a simpler manner than diving into the more complex stuff that may make our listener to be confused.

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Average Joe don't care about decentralization or flaws of traditional banking system. They don't care until that time comes where they can't withdraw their own money or a big economic crisis happens. Look what happened in Lebanon. Look back at history and see what happened in Greece a couple of years before or Türkiye in the 90's. Try to cash out 5 digits in your bank and see what happens. There are many reasons for people to want Bitcoin and decentralization but many don't realise that yet.

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August 06, 2023, 10:59:40 PM
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Not everyone chooses bitcoin because of decentralization, nor does everyone choose bitcoin because of money, and most of them have various reasons why they choose bitcoin.

The concept of decentralization is great and of course it has helped a lot of people get out of the concept of centralized finance. Some people don't mind the concept as long as they make a profit, but the idea of ​​decentralization is really good amid the collapse of many people's faith in a centralized financial system. I personally chose bitcoin because of the potential price that can give me returns (trading and investing), but not completely making me ignore some of the other innovations from Satoshi Nakamoto's findings.

That's a good stance and I respect your opinion. It's true that not everyone would appreciate some of the benefits that come with bitcoin such as decentralization and full control of financial assets. I feel it is only people that have had ill or bad experiences with centralized financial services that would relate to the bitcoin movement and possibly become a part of it. As someone that have had their asset frozen at one point in time makes me appreciate what bitcoin does and represent. Getting full control of assets is a concept still new to many but truly fascinating. Bitcoin also has opportunities that are normally not available in the traditional finance world. Here, anyone can become easily become part pf a community and benefitting from it without actually giving away their personal details to pass KYC exercise. Other stuffs (increase in price, opportunities, etc are added perks). Bitcoin is what the traditional financial industry strives to be but failed.

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August 06, 2023, 11:05:35 PM
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You have to realize that before they like decentralization and bitcoin, they must first experience how beneficial it is to their lives. People are egotistic at the core and they wouldn't care about even the most important shit out there if it doesn't affect them in the most direct of ways. With that being said you must first drive the benefit of decentralization or bitcoin to them. Lend them some and show them how much it grows in value over time, start campaigns and seminars with trinkets and benefits that they can avail for attending and listening, which will be gauged by giving them an exam later on. Allow them to learn about it and be interested before you blabber about getting people interested on bitcoin through decentralization. It's easy to say that people will like it but if they can't experience the effects outright they wouldn't give a rat's ass.
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August 06, 2023, 11:46:29 PM
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It is not about the decentralisation, it is all about the physical presence. During the early days I've suffered to brief it to people as they never understand the term virtual money. How does it hold value and there is no paper money, because for years and years this how people have used to it. Only through experience people were able to understand better and in such stance I've made few people under well about it. During those the word bitcoin itself rare and now things have changed alot. Goodness of decentralised function and all will be learnt in the later part, initially they need to believe which itself a big task.

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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train -snip-
If they are not interested with Bitcoin investment, it is not a problem. Don't force people, people have the right whether to join or not. If they are not interested, surely they will never have a reason to join. You just waste your time and efforts to talk with them. I suggest you to stop talking about Bitcoin with them.

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
It is not about decentralization, it is about the people's interest.
There are people who aren't interested in high risk investment like Bitcoin. Even if they like decentralization, they have no courage to take high risks.

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see
Respond them with a common answer. You don't need to explain your job in detail, nor describing your trading job specifically. If you want to share the information about Bitcoin trading, just for the people that you think they are likely interested in. Avoid to share it with the people who never respect Bitcoin or crypto.


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The greater multitude do not care much about decentralization or privacy, it’s easier to convince people to buy bitcoin because of the financial gains they can make from the market volatility than telling them that they can be their own bank. Only those who are concerned about their privacy and are less trusting of government systems will see a problem with the centralized system and want an alternative to this system.

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Don't force anyone to listen to you or learn Bitcoin because if they don't want to, then for sure you'll waste your energy. Also,  no matter what you  tell them first (value or decentralization), if they are not interested, then they don't care about it because mostly if you tell them the value of it, which is very high, they will get interested in it. Right now, people don't care if it is decentralized or not; they want the value of it and want to earn Bitcoin.
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indeed among people who don't know about btc then they won't be interested in btc, but in my opinion people who reject bitcoin don't mean they don't like decentralization but they just don't know about the benefits of investing in bitcoin, I'm sure if you can explain it well and wise about btc then surely people will be potentially interested in investing in btc.

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Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
It's a fallacy to assume that if they don't like X then they can never like Y even if X is an integral part of Y, in this case it's bitcoin and decentralization. Decentralization is just an aspect of bitcoin so I don't think that they will necessary like it because there are other things that bitcoin has to offer with financial freedom being one of the examples. Also, there's a lot of people that have been interested in bitcoin and have been using it since but doesn't know squat about the technical aspects or what even is the true purpose of bitcoin is. My point is that, you don't have to cover all the bases when it comes to things unless you want to be an expert on that thing then by all means go for it so don't stop preaching about bitcoin even if they don't like the idea of decentralization.



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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?
Yes you can but it takes painstaking effort, you need to prepare some analogical explanations that have to relate to their real life economic constraints how important decentralization is.

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Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
Can't confirm that. Everyone who asks me about bitcoin, they're just hoping for an answer about taking advantage of volatility. Meaning they see bitcoin as a get-rich-quick scheme without doing anything regardless of centralized way or not.

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Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
It's a fallacy to assume that if they don't like X then they can never like Y even if X is an integral part of Y, in this case it's bitcoin and decentralization. Decentralization is just an aspect of bitcoin so I don't think that they will necessary like it because there are other things that bitcoin has to offer with financial freedom being one of the examples. Also, there's a lot of people that have been interested in bitcoin and have been using it since but doesn't know squat about the technical aspects or what even is the true purpose of bitcoin is. My point is that, you don't have to cover all the bases when it comes to things unless you want to be an expert on that thing then by all means go for it so don't stop preaching about bitcoin even if they don't like the idea of decentralization.

what more can i say? that is true, for sure, a lot of bitcoin holders don't know about the true nature of it. and yet, they are here holding, trading their bitcoin. so it doesn't automatically translate that if you like decentralisation, you immediately like btc or the other way around. the truth is, a lot jump into this market, because they have heard about bitcoin and not because it is a decentralised coin, you know what i mean? and later on, they learned that btc is a decentralised currency and a lot of alts are centralised in nature.

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August 07, 2023, 09:23:10 AM
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It is not a must that if we like decentralization, we will surely like bitcoin, as much as people like freedom they also want a pragmatic fast profitable asset, the question is do you see bitcoin as an incessant profitable asset. I know that several assets are lethargic in terms of profit or returns, I also see bitcoin as a digital asset that requires patience for one to thrive in it. So for me liking decentralization is not enough reason for people to invest or adopt bitcoin as an alternative means for one to store his or her wealth, I think the major thing is the profit people make and this is what matters in any investment, the sluggish increment and price uncertainty could be the reason for some people's apathy in bitcoin.

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Also the context and the motive of the other person are truly substantial. There is no point talking about decentralization, where the other is not necessarily require them or making it a priority. So instead of shifting the introduction from bitcoin to decentralization, you should adjust to actual use cases and seek the motive that the other person trying to achieve or find.
~So let's assess each person's needs so we can recommend bitcoin in a way customized to their preferences. If I'm looking for a store of value to keep my assets safe, but your focus is on introducing the profit or convenience of using bitcoin as currency, I definitely wouldn't care what you are saying.

That sum up what is important. The context. OP suggests that money is involved since that is what people mainly ask about. I believe shifting the topic specifically to decentralization would rather make it uninteresting if the goal was to spread Bitcoin adoption. Actually motive of getting money is normal, many people seek that, given that, if we tell about the nitty-gritty of the technical stuff people would lose interest.

So OP should rather customize the topic and shift the context to stuff like what makes Bitcoin valuable, and scarce, the aspect of game theory and other things that relates to how Bitcoin gains its value.

And one thing, do you agree with me that when it comes to money, most people care more than anything else, including us? So I think if we want to mention bitcoin to others and want them to listen to what we have to say, we should mention investment and profit first. Next, we will start interlacing to mention other features like decentralization or privacy of bitcoin into the story. That way, they will listen to all we have to say without getting bored.



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August 07, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
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It is not a must that if we like decentralization, we will surely like bitcoin, as much as people like freedom they also want a pragmatic fast profitable asset, the question is do you see bitcoin as an incessant profitable asset. I know that several assets are lethargic in terms of profit or returns, I also see bitcoin as a digital asset that requires patience for one to thrive in it. So for me liking decentralization is not enough reason for people to invest or adopt bitcoin as an alternative means for one to store his or her wealth, I think the major thing is the profit people make and this is what matters in any investment, the sluggish increment and price uncertainty could be the reason for some people's apathy in bitcoin.
you know, bitcoin isn't just about profit (though that's a huge deal, right?), it's about something greater. It's about a new perspective on money, freedom in the world of finance. Increasing slowly? Of course, but the key is to have patience. Some individuals may be frightened by the unpredictability, but isn't this inherent to investments? Bitcoin is sure volatile, but what makes it work is its underlying concept

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August 07, 2023, 11:47:48 AM
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It is not a must that if we like decentralization, we will surely like bitcoin, as much as people like freedom they also want a pragmatic fast profitable asset, the question is do you see bitcoin as an incessant profitable asset. I know that several assets are lethargic in terms of profit or returns, I also see bitcoin as a digital asset that requires patience for one to thrive in it. So for me liking decentralization is not enough reason for people to invest or adopt bitcoin as an alternative means for one to store his or her wealth, I think the major thing is the profit people make and this is what matters in any investment, the sluggish increment and price uncertainty could be the reason for some people's apathy in bitcoin.

Indeed, many people say they need decentralization rather than profit, but I doubt those claims. If bitcoin is no longer volatile, there is no possibility of making a profit. Will people continue to love it as they are, or will people quickly find other alternative investments? That won't be possible but I really doubt if it does.

I also assure you that decentralization will never be the main reason to get people excited about bitcoin. Out of the thousands of discussions every day, 90% of the conversations are about price. How can it be said that the decentralization feature is the purpose for people to invest in bitcoin?

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Also the context and the motive of the other person are truly substantial. There is no point talking about decentralization, where the other is not necessarily require them or making it a priority. So instead of shifting the introduction from bitcoin to decentralization, you should adjust to actual use cases and seek the motive that the other person trying to achieve or find.
~So let's assess each person's needs so we can recommend bitcoin in a way customized to their preferences. If I'm looking for a store of value to keep my assets safe, but your focus is on introducing the profit or convenience of using bitcoin as currency, I definitely wouldn't care what you are saying.

That sum up what is important. The context. OP suggests that money is involved since that is what people mainly ask about. I believe shifting the topic specifically to decentralization would rather make it uninteresting if the goal was to spread Bitcoin adoption. Actually motive of getting money is normal, many people seek that, given that, if we tell about the nitty-gritty of the technical stuff people would lose interest.

So OP should rather customize the topic and shift the context to stuff like what makes Bitcoin valuable, and scarce, the aspect of game theory and other things that relates to how Bitcoin gains its value.

And one thing, do you agree with me that when it comes to money, most people care more than anything else, including us? So I think if we want to mention bitcoin to others and want them to listen to what we have to say, we should mention investment and profit first. Next, we will start interlacing to mention other features like decentralization or privacy of bitcoin into the story. That way, they will listen to all we have to say without getting bored.

Depends. If the others deem you respectable and trustworthy, they may consider your opinion instead of carelessly chasing money.

Personally, I wouldn't suggest directly taking the conversation to investment and profit, but rather on the foundational level. How bitcoin is made, the economic system underlying the ecosystem, how the scarcity is systematically designed, and stuff like that as I have been said.

Talking about how Bitcoin could give you profit might seem like you are rather preaching. But if you simply want to spark some interest it could be done, but minimally. I believe the foundational explanation above is important to help people comprehend better.
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August 07, 2023, 07:15:05 PM
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It may help them it may not help them. Everything depends on what they are trying to achieve with what you are explaining to them. For example if someone is really not interested in the Bitcoin then it doesn’t matter if you feed them hours of lectures about the decentralisation or May be Bitcoin itself and thus could end up being fade up. It would be better if see natural growth of bitcoin. The more we push to the non interested peeps the more negativity it creates because they don’t understand what they are getting into and when failed they would just knock it off by saying scam.
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