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August 05, 2023, 01:17:58 PM
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Stuck between the enjoyment of Bitcoin and the boredom of explaining it. Decentralisation, the "D" word that might make people's eyes glaze over faster than you can say "Satoshi Nakamoto," in my opinion.

Isnt it wonderful, though, that your bank isnt micromanaging your every move? Oh, the delicious taste of freedom! Even if they detest decentralization, that doesnt imply they have to like Bitcoin. Perhaps all they need is a small nudge in the right direction.

Rather than hiding the true nature of your Bitcoin earnings behind a wall of verbiage, perhaps you should just come clean. Simply said, nobody would argue against the desire for more financial success.

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August 05, 2023, 05:06:52 PM
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Alright so your problem is you've make a good amount of money, when you tell them how you make it, they're not showing any interest, correct?

You have 2 solutions:
1. Never show your wealth, just stay low and dress up like low income class people.
2. Tell them and forget it, you must not expect they will follow your path because they're just curious.
No one is showing anyone anything, I've never done that, but people will someday notice, especially if you grow up in such area where they know that you are struggling and later your body changed, you look better and you have a ride, which you never had before, of cos people will notice, this ain't even the case for me, they came asking what they can do to make a change, I told them about Bitcoin investment, and Bitcoin mining, but along the line they can't cope with it, because it's not free, you need money to invest, and it's same with mining too.

Things get more complicated on their end when I start explaining why Bitcoin was created, the thing is why ask me how to make money when you aren't ready to change your life? They looked at me with a strange eye like I am weird or different.

Why do people always think that to make money is easy? Bitcoin investment takes years, even Bitcoin mining takes years too if started in a bear market, you won't want to sell since the value is lower, they don't want to hear such and they walk away, it's like they doubt Bitcoin, that's why I ask the question about decentralization but I get the answer anyway.
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August 05, 2023, 05:13:19 PM
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Many people are more interested in how to make money than in learning about Bitcoin. Letting people learn about Bitcoin on their own from public sources is a good way to save your time and energy. Point them in the right direction, you can encourage them to learn more about Bitcoin as each person wants. This allows people to better understand this cryptocurrency and decide whether to participate or not based on their own knowledge. This approach can generate interest and support from some, but not all.

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August 05, 2023, 05:25:06 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?
We will never be the same again, and not everyone who knows about Bitcoin will want to accept or embrace it, not just because of decentralisation; most of them are uncomfortable and believe it will end soon.

If they do not join, you can leave them. There are other ways to gain money in life besides Bitcoin investment.

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Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?
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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Because you tried explaining it to them and they refused, there is no need to tell them how you make your money; you leave a life where no one knows how you make your money; in fact, displaying off your wealth may result in some attacks from the community.

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August 05, 2023, 05:55:58 PM
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People don't care about some abstract decentralization, decentralization is just a tool for achieving certain goals. In politics decentralization can ensure fairness and solve internal conflicts, in networking decentralized systems can increase security. But no one does decentralization for the sake of decentralization, and also decentralized solutions come with their trade-offs and need to be implemented in a smart way, because "decemtralized" doesn't always mean "better".

So if you start talking to people about decentralization and then switch to Bitcoin, they'll probably be even more annoyed that you spent time to build-up your Bitcoin pitch.

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August 05, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
I do not really see the problem, I mean they asked what you were doing out of politeness or just because they were curious about what you were doing, but they had no intention of following your footsteps, and with this in mind I think it makes sense that most people do not show any interest on adopting bitcoin once they found out the source of your funds, if I was you I would not even mention bitcoin or the real source of my income as I find such a question to be very rude as that has nothing to do with other people.
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August 05, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
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At this moment, it seems like it depends on how you present bitcoin to them. In my opinion, if bitcoin is correctly introduced, almost everyone will want to experience the freedom that it has given us.

Yes the narrative that people get when coming into bitcoin is very important, i would say majority of some people that get in and lose interest along the line are mostly People driven into it just to make profits and if it doesn’t falls through they quit easily. So when educating people about bitcoin you would see that bitcoin maximalist speak about the decentralization which is actually good but people don’t turn towards it because they feel they can’t make money out of it.

Another thing again that discourages people is the fact that it doesn’t have government backing yet. No matter how you try to convince people they just won’t want to get involved. So right now introducing an ordinary person into bitcoin is hard. But with the persistent monetary crisis surrounding the fiat many people will come in to this space soon.


1. Never show your wealth, just stay low and dress up like low income class people.

I agree with the part that one shouldn’t showing off his wealth because it invites crises towards the person like been under attack. But I don’t go with the idea of leaving low just evade people, yes you shouldn’t spend extravagantly but at the same time you need to spend according to your capabilities and not denying yourself some wants that you can afford just because you don’t want people to find out you have funds. Do your stuffs and do not go bragging around that you earn through so and so means

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August 05, 2023, 07:06:15 PM
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People don't care about some abstract decentralization, decentralization is just a tool for achieving certain goals. In politics decentralization can ensure fairness and solve internal conflicts, in networking decentralized systems can increase security. But no one does decentralization for the sake of decentralization, and also decentralized solutions come with their trade-offs and need to be implemented in a smart way, because "decemtralized" doesn't always mean "better".

So if you start talking to people about decentralization and then switch to Bitcoin, they'll probably be even more annoyed that you spent time to build-up your Bitcoin pitch.

Decentralised is an advance concept and can only be understood by people who are either into Bitcoin or have deep interest in Bitcoin. You cant just go to people and tell them that since Bitcoin is a decentralised currency so that's why we must adopt it.

Bitcoin is now decade old technology and has a community that is slowly but growing consistently. There are people (though not in numbers) in every country that has knowledge of Bitcoin now.
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August 05, 2023, 07:31:46 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

They are not listening because you are not telling them exactly what they want to hear; they were expecting to hear some miraculous way of making money on the internet without stress and all of that, maybe a means of putting this and getting this kind of thing, but instead you started telling the truth they don't want to hear, and to worsen the whole thing, you started with a total new language they might find hard to understand, as they might believe anything digital cannot be trusted as they don't have anyone to hold for any wrongful decision they make in the future and it results in money lost.

When someone comes to you next time and asks how you make your money, you can equally just tell them that you are a risk taker, you take risks for a living, and that you have made your own boss. If they are ready, then you have no problem with that, but just note that it will be hard to convince someone who is so obsessed with a centralized system of money movement that decentralization might look like a total different world for them.

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August 05, 2023, 07:43:37 PM
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Teaching Bitcoin to the right people will have a good impact and their interest will be greater.
But teaching bitcoin to people who have no interest whatsoever is a waste of your time.

Don't talk about decentralization to those who aren't interested, save it and explain it to people who are actually interested in Bitcoin.

After all, people will only come to you if they want to know more.
You earn a lot of money from Bitcoin is already a starter for those who are curious and want to learn.

Those who favor decentralization will not necessarily join Bitcoin.
That's because investing requires money and trust in the investment, and you also need to explain that investing in crypto will have great risks.
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August 05, 2023, 07:44:03 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
Why force people to talk about what they are not interested in? You have nothing to do? Save your time and energy.

Decentralization is more likely to be misunderstood than people don't like it. The time will come and people will like bitcoin. I'm not sure that everyone, but it is possible that many. They will become interested and then you can start talking about it with them.

The mistake is that people want to learn how to make money, and not learn about bitcoin. There is a choice: let people learn information about btc themselves. There is a lot of information in the public domain. You only slightly direct them in the right direction and let them do the rest. This way you save your time and energy.
How is that possible? Walking up to a stranger and start talking about Bitcoin? You don't know what you are saying, when I said people I don't mean strangers, I am talking about those within my circle that want to start doing what I am doing, I have a Bitcoin mining farm and I am also a Bitcoin trader now, it will get to a stage where you can't hide your success anymore and that's what bring about people (within the circle ) asking questions about mining Bitcoin and how they can start mining too, so how can I teach someone about mining without them knowing what Bitcoin is all about? Or how can I teach about Bitcoin trading without them understanding Bitcoin itself? As you can see I have many things to do, watch charts and monitor my Asics, That's enough to see time fly pass you everyday.




Well, if these individuals are the ones who approach you asking about your success, it is normal that you want to instill in them about your art and the great benefits that practicing this trade brings, surely your intention is that more people, especially, those closest to you they can win and see finances from another perspective, I am aware that not everyone is capable of seeing the potential and the opportunity that you would be giving them by talking to them and trying to explain to them what you do so that they too can see fruits and a change in their way to live, it may be due to fear or simple distrust of being something new  but I am sure that not everyone is the same and there will be those who pay attention and are willing to dare, and take the same reins as you, so even though it  true number of individuals do not listen to you, there will be another percentage that will, and you would be fulfilling your purpose.

As for the way you should talk to them so they don't see it with little interest, it's a bit complicated, but you could apply a productive method, and that is to show while you explain, teach them with facts that it works and the potential it has. It will be up to them if they like it or not. Since  that you,can't force anyone to join bitcoin, they will gradually realize that you were right.
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August 05, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
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Op you are wrong from the topic. Decentralization is not only use in cryptocurrency but also in other field of study. In politics decentralization means the dissemination of power in the federal level to the constituent units. So if you are saying that one can know bitcoin by mere understanding of decentralization then you perception is wrong. You don't have to explain decentralization first but tell the person the basic elements of bitcoin and it advantages and the disadvantages. And you are not to force anyone to accept bitcoin. And you can only explain decentralization of bitcoin in the process of explaining the whole concept of bitcoin and not in separate explanation. And If you explain it separately the person might confused of what you are trying to say.
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August 05, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
I don't think so. Even bitcoin today isn't that much decentralized as we expected it to be. Yes it runs on its own and obviously, the transaction approval process is altogether decentralized but KYCs have messed up everything. Eventually, governments can track people through KYCs and force them to reverse the transactions. This means a central authority might not be able to interfere on the chain itself but it can manipulate or even force people using the chain to do actions against their will. But yes if a person even hates decentralized payment processing then obviously, why would he like Bitcoin?
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To successfully persuade others about Bitcoin's decentralized features, it's essential to provide a comprehensive explanation of its benefits. Show them how Bitcoin can revolutionize the global financial system by eliminating the need for third-party intermediaries. Highlight the advantages of working globally and receiving money without hassles, free from monitoring or control like fiat currency. By helping them understand these advantages, they will realize how Bitcoin can significantly improve their lives and financial interactions.

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I do not really see the problem, I mean they asked what you were doing out of politeness or just because they were curious about what you were doing, but they had no intention of following your footsteps, and with this in mind I think it makes sense that most people do not show any interest on adopting bitcoin once they found out the source of your funds, if I was you I would not even mention bitcoin or the real source of my income as I find such a question to be very rude as that has nothing to do with other people.
^ In such situations, you have every right to maintain your privacy and not disclose sensitive information about your income sources, including BTC trading or any other personal ventures. You can gracefully steer the conversation away from discussing your financial activities if you feel uncomfortable sharing that information because I think conversations about financial matters can be sensitive and should be handled with discretion. If you wish to avoid unnecessary discussions or potential misunderstandings, you can focus on other interests or topics that are more comfortable for both parties involved because, for me, there should be healthy conversations that are built on mutual respect and understanding.
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August 05, 2023, 09:38:25 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
I think Bitcoin has past the point where we have to convince people about the potentials of bitcoin and the power of decentralized cryptocurrency. This is 2023, bitcoin is now a household name, anyone who hasn’t heard of bitcoin by now is probably living in a cave. The thing is some people do not have a problem with centralization, they trust the system to have their best interest at heart. Such people even come into the crypto space and solely patronize centralized exchanges and custodial wallets. It is physically and mentally draining to educate such persons, tbh I don’t think it’s worth the time. People will learn and unlearn after having bad experiences.

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August 05, 2023, 09:44:44 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy, do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Is it right to say that if anyone doesn't like decentralization they can never like Bitcoin?

I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.
It depends on how the other person responds to the conversation I guess.
When indeed talking to people who do not know what bitcoin is and even tend to dislike bitcoin then actually discussing this will seem useless because it will only waste energy with endless debates.
On the other hand, it will be a different story if you talk to people who are already here.
So I think for things like this the conclusion that can be drawn is actually only reflecting on one object for you but indeed when talking about decentralization then bitcoin is the right answer but only those who already know about bitcoin feel this is true.

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August 05, 2023, 09:47:51 PM
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I have tried talking to people about Bitcoin but a higher number of them don't show any interest, they have idea what Bitcoin is but they don't see any reason to join the train so I am thinking, to cut short my time and energy

Man, you don't have to be following people to accept bitcoin. Anyone who is interested in learning more about bitcoin will find a method to do so. You mentioned that many of them are aware of bitcoin but aren't interested in getting on board. Since you are aware that we don't force people to work in the sector, you may just put up with them. They will arrive, learn more about it, and accept it when they are prepared.

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do you think it's better to talk about decentralization first?

Yeah, I think telling them how decentralized bitcoin is will make them understand more about it and the kind of freedom it gives financially, so you can see that with this reason, it will give them another motivation, and maybe it will make you achieve your goal, which is that you want them to accept what you bring for them, i.e., they should accept bitcoin.
 

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I am not trying to force anyone into Bitcoin but people never stop asking me how I am making money for myself and most of my income comes from Bitcoin trading, as you can see, I have no choice but to teach about Bitcoin if I feel like helping someone out.

You are aware that some individuals hold to the reality they are told, and you believe that by informing them where your money comes from, they will accept bitcoin. However, some individuals can inquire about your source of income if they believe you are not working based on your spending habits. I believe that's the reason they're asking. However, you can instruct someone if they approach you and declare that they wish to learn.

And since you've indicated that the majority of your income comes from trading bitcoins, I believe that if you tell them how you make money, most of them might not focus on learning the essential skills required before beginning to make money. Let them learn the fundamentals if they come to your place to learn; don't tell them how much you make or how things work. If not, all they will want is to get to the point of receiving money, which is undesirable. without having the necessary background.

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August 05, 2023, 11:46:52 PM
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Alright so your problem is you've make a good amount of money, when you tell them how you make it, they're not showing any interest, correct?

You have 2 solutions:
1. Never show your wealth, just stay low and dress up like low income class people.
2. Tell them and forget it, you must not expect they will follow your path because they're just curious.
No one is showing anyone anything, I've never done that, but people will someday notice, especially if you grow up in such area where they know that you are struggling and later your body changed, you look better and you have a ride, which you never had before, of cos people will notice, this ain't even the case for me, they came asking what they can do to make a change, I told them about Bitcoin investment, and Bitcoin mining, but along the line they can't cope with it, because it's not free, you need money to invest, and it's same with mining too.

Things get more complicated on their end when I start explaining why Bitcoin was created, the thing is why ask me how to make money when you aren't ready to change your life? They looked at me with a strange eye like I am weird or different.

Why do people always think that to make money is easy? Bitcoin investment takes years, even Bitcoin mining takes years too if started in a bear market, you won't want to sell since the value is lower, they don't want to hear such and they walk away, it's like they doubt Bitcoin, that's why I ask the question about decentralization but I get the answer anyway.
That's because they don't understand bitcoin yet and honestly, everyone wants to make easy money, including us. When we first heard about bitcoin, we also used to think that it was possible to make a lot of money and quickly from it. But when we understood everything, we knew that it was not so easy. So it's not surprising that newbies who don't know anything about bitcoin want to make easy money. But I think introducing bitcoin's decentralization while their goal is to make money, that won't work.

You need to provide what they need in order for them to care about it. If they want to make money, then you recommend bitcoin as an investment to them, they want privacy to protect their assets, and you introduce decentralization to them, you need flexibility when suggesting bitcoin for someone.

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Sometime some people only trying to looking for relevant conversation topic that they don't really interested in it, just to make good atmosphere. Actually what you did is still okay, in marketing you can make someone want to buy a goods although they don't want it at first. for example someone go to work, and on the way the person see a banner about a product, today the person don't have intention to buy that product but there is big probability that few days after that the person will have intention to buy that product because the banner was already inside the person's brain, that is one of techniques that marketer use. I think you should start with profit that you get, but if it not so convincing then maybe you can share about other people's big profit.

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